Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Chrono.]

Wait, 2B was announced a SCVI DLC?!

Just yesterday, yeah.

She looks really snazzy too.

 

[mbvswb]

OK SOMTHING NEW FOR YOU GUYS!

some one a few page's back posted a image but.. i notice somthing , and no one is talking about it , so here it is with the contrast higher.
View attachment 172881
and look at that you can clearly see the second band better PLUS look at the top

is this *another* of the banner

 

[staindgrey]

Wait, 2B was announced a SCVI DLC?!

Yep.

I've never been a HUGE fan of the series, but it's very pretty to watch. My brother got the game, so I'm gonna try to convince him to buy the season pass.

 

[Shroob]

I'm 99.99% sure there will be a song in the movie memed as much as Let it Grow from the Lorax.

You mean the classic song isn't being meme'd already?

Spoiler: Spoiled for some swearing

 

[NineS]

Hey, NineS , quick question for you.

Considering 2B was just announced as DLC for Soul Calibur VI, what do you think of her legitimate chances of being included as DLC for Smash? Help or hurt her chances?

Help, definitely think it helps her chances.

Goes to show that Square Enix has been pushing for Nier in more crossovers lately, although most of them have been mobile games...
They found her to be profitable enough to put her in Soulcalibur as DLC. That, or they're testing the waters to see how much money she might actually make/bring more awareness to the franchise.

There's always the possibility that because she's in another fighting game that it might hurt her chances though, but I can't see much reason why being in another recent fighting game would prevent her or any other character from being in Smash.

 

[GoeGoe]

Click on your profile pic up right.
Click sig
Edit away.

Images have a limit in size though.
Unless you go premium of course.

Thanks Idon (is the the red gian robot?).. anyway, umm I did but it seems only through linking. Am I missing something. I just need a simple upload :[

 

[joshoctober16]

is this *another* of the banner

some one posted this a few pages ago , and then i notice it on the top, the 2 very hard to see diagram rap things...(note this is the non edited ver im showing here.)

 

[Alaskalana]

I'm like fifteen pages behind and I'm having a good time reading the Mach Rider discourse and my take is that girls are cool and Kamen Riders are cool and 80s anime biker aesthetics are cool so going with the girl 80s biker based on Kamen Rider would make Ultimate the coolest game ever created

This is it chief

 

[osby]

Hey, NineS , quick question for you.

Considering 2B was just announced as DLC for Soul Calibur VI, what do you think of her legitimate chances of being included as DLC for Smash? Help or hurt her chances?

Wasn't Bayonetta in another fighting game before joining the Smash?

 

[staindgrey]

Help, definitely think they help her chances.

Goes to show that Square Enix has been pushing for Nier in more crossovers lately, although most of them have been mobile games...
They found her to be profitable enough to put her in Soulcalibur as DLC. That, or they're testing the waters to see how much money she might actually make/bring more awareness to the franchise.

There's always the possibility that because she's in another fighting game that it might hurt her chances though, but I can't see much reason why being in another recent fighting game would prevent her or any other character from being in Smash.

I'm just trying to think of a video game character that's been a special guest character in TWO separate fighting games around the same time.

And I'm drawing a blank.

 

[GoeGoe]

Uh, if you want, you can chat with @drag0nscythe and @ToasterBrains maybe, when they come back. They love Goemon too.

I noticed they do. I posted in his/her post. I'll wait for them. Thanks.

 

[SuperNintendoKid]

OK SOMTHING NEW FOR YOU GUYS!

some one a few page's back posted a image but.. i notice somthing , and no one is talking about it , so here it is with the contrast higher.
View attachment 172881
and look at that you can clearly see the second band better PLUS look at the top
you can clearly see the 2 diagrams of what it is.... but it seems base on this there are 2 different types.... we are likely seeing the top left?

also i notice i think i can see a possible 4 one in the bottom right.

someone here made a big analysis on this very topic, and has yet to be discussed in full detail
it seems like blueprints for both wristbands and chandelier-esque ornaments for events
i wish i could trace back who made this discovery here before

EDIT: here!

Reposting this from the Isaac thread:

So, I've been thinking about the Grinch leak for a while, and I'd like to break down and analyze some of it.

First, though, I would like to cut down on some of the flaws of the pro-Grinch argument:


We don't know that this is true. There is, as yet, no confirmation that this company contracts with either Bandai-Namco or Universal Studios, let alone both. While the company he worked for a year ago did contract with Bandai-Namco, the one he currently works for may or may not. Also, this argument fails to consider that Bandai-Namco would not be handling publicity, Nintendo would, since they are the publisher.



Now, as we get to the rest of it, we need to approach the leak logically. Following Occam's Razor, let's simplify things as much as possible. What must be faked in order to pull of this leak?

The answer is actually ridiculously simple. The only thing that needs to be faked is the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate material. Everything else can be genuine. The leak could actually have been created by someone who works for a publicity company and makes these sorts of promotional materials. The material for The Grinch could all be genuine, as could his work history with the company. As the meme says "anyone can make a fake leak". Even a publicist. There does not need to be any identity theft or identity fraud for this to be faked. Not even the Snapchat aspect of it was necessarily faked. It could have been something that he sent a friend via Snapchat, never meaning for it to go further and his name to be revealed (though that would mean all of this was created to fool one or two people, which does seem rather farfetched).


The only things that needed to be faked were the actual Super Smash Bros. Ultimate materials. So, let's look at them for a second.

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This is the image that has received the most attention, specifically the multi panel image in the middle. This image, apparently depicting a version of the Battlefield background used in the Mural but with the characters removed, has been reviewed in detail by a number of artists and digital arts enthusiasts, most notably ArtsyOmni, whose video on the subject can be found here.

I, however, am not an enthusiast or expert in digital art manipulation, nor of artistic techniques or analysis. So I will leave that to those who are.

Instead, I will focus on other, less analyzed aspects of the leaked materials, which I do have experience with.


Beneath the "LOL" emoji is what appears to be a set of display instructions for a circular hanging display. The display would contain the mural, wrapped into a circle (taking advantage of the fact that the mural's edges merge seamlessly), and suspended from four lines that converge at a single hanging point. This makes it clear that this is a display to be hung from the ceiling, and that the mural image would go on the outside of it.

Now, here is where things get interesting. It has been pointed out by some that the Mural image on this hanging display is not properly scaled, and that the mural would not fit on the display as shown. Whomever has made such an argument is an individual whom I can only assume has never had to set up a retail display, or at least, never actually looked at the instructions for doing so. Because, as someone who has set up dozens, and reviewed the instructions for probably hundreds over the course of seven years work in retail, I can assure you that the instructions for those displays are NEVER properly scaled. Or properly clipped. Or properly angled. Or properly sized. Or properly representative of the space you actually HAVE on a display to put the items they're telling you will fit there. Or-

Ahem. Apologies. Anyway, the point is, the instruction pages that come with display materials are designed to show you how to assemble them, how to display them, and what to put where. They are never artistically accurate. Literally, NEVER. The only ones I have seen which are accurate in terms of visuals are ones which are simply pictures taken of already assembled displays (which are inferior for the purposes of showing how to assemble such displays to the simple line drawings with cutouts).

The reasoning for the art being off is actually very simple: It's nothing but a placeholder, and it's only purpose is to convey to you what side should face out, or to help confirm which piece you're looking for. Frequently (though not always), if the item being displayed is a book, magazine, or game (anything with a definitive "front") the picture will be skipped entirely, and instead replaced with a simple display of the title in block text. The images which do show up are usually minimal effort. Low quality images, taken from a camera, badly shoved into place, and then clipped to fit the block lines. Sometimes they will be perspective shifted to match the angle of the display. Sometimes not. Sometimes they'll be perspective shifted to NOT match at all (which can be really infuriating to see from someone with mild OCD about clean displays).

Scrolling down, we then see the three panel display. It has been said that these are for a light box display, and that would explain the low quality and color shifting of the art. I do not disagree or argue the point that a light box display would need to be altered in such a way. From personal experience, it would, though I cannot say what the result would be. However, I would argue that the image in question is simply too small to be used effectively for such a purpose. The light box displays I've worked with in the past are frequently quite large, and this one is roughly the size of a single sheet of paper for a three panel display. No. In actuality, this is another page of display instructions. While it is probably display instructions for such a light box, its purpose is merely to highlight which panel goes in which part of the display, to assure that the panels are in order and properly displayed.

And before you ask, the answer is yes. Such instructions do indeed assume that you are a moron who cannot tell which parts of a continuous display image go where just from looking at them.

Below that, we have further block diagrams, including some empty boxes which could be filled with instructions, more photos, or information specific to a particular store or outlet as this material is distributed.

So this entire image is actually a picture of display instructions for promotional material, rather than promotional material itself.
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This image, on the other hand, which I have yet to see be artistically analyzed at all, is itself promotional material.

It's a packaged display of a circular item. It has been assumed to be a wristband. While that is possible, I'd actually assume that it is the circular hanging display alluded to in the previous instructions. Edited for correction: I agree it is likely a wristband, both due to the size and the taper at the end, which I had not noted before. You can also see a faint outline of those same hanging instructions in this image, above the banner, that looks as though it's being shown through a blank sheet of paper.

This material also looks incredibly professionally produced, containing packaging and what looks to be card stock or other similar high quality materials.




So, after reviewing these images, the only conclusion I can come to is that this is 100% genuine. Artistic anomalies in the instructions are expected. In fact, I would be honestly shocked if they were not there. This gentleman's role in the company is likely either review of materials, or assembly of the instructions themselves. The images used were likely taken by a worker at this company, on a low quality camera, and jumbled and edited into place to fit the lines and serve their bare purpose of being a placeholder (they were almost assuredly NOT provided by Nintendo). Any artistic analysis of those pieces is utterly irrelevant to the validity of the leak.

 

[Deleted member]

Yep.

I've never been a HUGE fan of the series, but it's very pretty to watch. My brother got the game, so I'm gonna try to convince him to buy the season pass.

OH MY GOOOOD!!!!!! HARADA YOU ARE A SAINT!

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I'm 99.99% sure there will be a song in the movie memed as much as Let it Grow from the Lorax.

Hopefully there isn't a song as bad as "How Bad can I be"

Because I can tell you, you can be really bad. Unintentionally bad.

 

[staindgrey]

Wasn't Bayonetta in another fighting game before joining the Smash?

That "Anarchy Reigns" thing? Like two people played that. I'm not sure it counts.

 

[Chrono.]

Wasn't Bayonetta in another fighting game before joining the Smash?

Yeah, she was in Anarchy Reigns, which is another Platinum game.

That game is underrated as hell by the way.

 

[GoeGoe]

Hey I got my first like from NineS. Thanks man :D

 

[NineS]

OH MY GOOOOD!!!!!!

You should've seen the reactions in 2B's support thread.

OH

MY

GOD

It's not Smash but this is the coolest thing EVER. I don't have this game yet and don't have the money (but I love the series) but this made my decision for me.

Next up, Smash! C'mon Bamco and Squeenix! C'mon!

NineS where you at???

HOLY ****. GOD DAMN. BECOME AS GODS. **** SQUARE ENIX!

I'm going into my delusional mode right now.

 

[mbvswb]

View attachment 172882
some one posted this a few pages ago , and then i notice it on the top, the 2 very hard to see diagram rap things...(note this is the non edited ver im showing here.)

is it supposed to be real or a mock up or?

 

[osby]

Yeah, she was in Anarchy Reigns, which is another Platinum game.

That game is underrated as hell by the way.

That doesn't tell much, all Platinum Games are underrated as hell.

 

[staindgrey]

Yeah, she was in Anarchy Reigns, which is another Platinum game.

That game is underrated as hell by the way.

If I remember right, didn't it come out around the same time as Dragon's Dogma? Because at the time, I had a gamer's pass at Blockbuster where I could rent any one game I wanted indefinitely for a monthly fee, and I seem to remember trying to decide between Capcom's attempt at a western RPG and the crazy-looking fighting game with Bayonetta on the cover.

Then I held onto Dragon's Dogma for the next two months because it was ****ing awesome.

 

[joshoctober16]

Wait what am I suppose to be seeing?

to make it more easy here ya go

just note you cant see the 3 banner with the high contrast so you have to look at the original photo.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I'm sticking with this avatar because it's pretty cool with a capital C.

So, let's say we're getting 10 DLC characters. What combination of 10 characters would make this the Ultimate Smash Bros. game for you?

For the sake of constancy, let's assume Grinch leak is real and Incineroar is also in.

Here's mine:

• Sora
• Lloyd Irving
• Joker
• Paper Mario
• Bandana Dee
• Euden
• Crash Bandicoot
• Rex and Pyra
• Capcom Rep (Either Phoenix Wright, Monster Hunter, Dante, or all of the above)
• Bethesda Rep (Either Doom Guy or a Fallout character)

I'll extend it to 15:

• Spring Man/Ribbon Girl
• 2B
• Ryu Hayabusa
• New Nintendo IP character
• Edelgard

 

[staindgrey]

OH MY GOOOOD!!!!!! HARADA YOU ARE A SAINT!

Heh.

I just realized after watching through it again that 2B might somehow be in the least revealing outfit of the entire Soul Calibur female cast.

Wow.

 

[NineS]

Hey I got my first like from NineS. Thanks man :D

No problem!
Hey, since you're new, can you do me a favor and do NineS whenever you see people mention 2B, A2, 9S, or Nier when I'm not around?

I won't mind at all. I must keep up to date on any Nier discussions.

Heh.

I just realized after watching through it again that 2B might somehow be in the least revealing outfit of the entire Soul Calibur female cast.

Wow.

Yeah, funny to think about.
Just wait until she's available, and they let you put Kaine's outfit on her.
I know one thing for sure: I'm making her wear the Emil head when I play as her.

 

[Deleted member]

You should've seen the reactions in 2B's support thread.

DUDE! 2B! IN SOUL CALIBUR! I'M RUNNING OUT THINGS TO SAY! AHH!

 

[NineS]

DUDE! 2B! IN SOUL CALIBUR! I'M RUNNING OUT THINGS TO SAY! AHH!

This must continue.

I was losing it when I saw her revealed. Ecstatic. Delusional. Hyped about as much, if not more, than I normally am during a Smash Direct.

I should've known Okubo was following Yoko Taro on twitter a while for some reason. Now all I can do is hope Sakurai's reason is the same.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

to make it more easy here ya go
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just note you cant see the 3 banner with the high contrast so you have to look at the original photo.

Is it possible that the spinning banner apparatus (I don't know what to call it) contains two of these banners that wrap around the entire thing?

The only reason I'm asking is so that I can get to 3,333 posts, but also because I'm kind of curious as to how these things work.

Good night everyone.

 

[joshoctober16]

tried to do the same to the full image... i found almost nothing new but there is this one strange date? shown at the arrow under the black mark?

it seems to say 11 ago?

 

[GoeGoe]

No problem!
Hey, since you're new, can you do me a favor and do NineS whenever you see people mention 2B, A2, 9S, or Nier when I'm not around?

I won't mind at all. I must keep up to date on any Nier discussions.

Yeah, funny to think about.
Just wait until she's available, and they let you put Kaine's outfit on her.
I know one thing for sure: I'm making her wear the Emil head when I play as her.

Would love to help but.. I have no clue what you're talking about. Also, haven't played Tomato yet. I thought that avatar is from Tokyo G.

 

[osby]

This must continue.

I was losing it when I saw her revealed. Ecstatic. Delusional. Hyped about as much, if not more, than I normally am during a Smash Direct.

I should've known Okubo was following Yoko Taro on twitter a while for some reason. Now all I can do is hope Sakurai's reason is the same.

I wonder how Smash fandom would react to 2B joining the Smash.

Is it possible that the spinning banner apparatus (I don't know what to call it) contains two of these banners that wrap around the entire thing?

The only reason I'm asking is so that I can get to 3,333 posts, but also because I'm kind of curious as to how these things work.

Good night everyone.

Good night!

 

[Chrono.]

Heh.

I just realized after watching through it again that 2B might somehow be in the least revealing outfit of the entire Soul Calibur female cast.

Wow.

Even weirder, now with Dead or Alive toning down fanservice Soul Calibur is the skimpiest fighting game*.

*Not counting anime fighters because that's just cheap.

 

[Zinith]

No problem!
Hey, since you're new, can you do me a favor and do NineS NineS whenever you see people mention 2B, A2, 9S, or Nier when I'm not around?

I won't mind at all. I must keep up to date on any Nier discussions.

And Drakengard too?

 

[osby]

Even weirder, now with Dead or Alive toning down fanservice

I'd never thought I'd hear that sentence.

 

[JamminJellyToast]

it seems to say 11 ago?

I think that may say 's'.
"11s ago" = "11 seconds ago"
Hmm... Don't know what that would imply; probably nothing, as usual.

 

[staindgrey]

Even weirder, now with Dead or Alive toning down fanservice Soul Calibur is the skimpiest fighting game*.

*Not counting anime fighters because that's just cheap.

I refuse to believe that DoA6 will continue to keep the fan service to a minimum once its inevitable $2000 of DLC rolls around. That's their moneymaker.

Though I was genuinely happy with MKX's toned down female proportions and less revealing outfits after they made a similar promise. So who knows.

 

[Deleted member]

Heh.

I just realized after watching through it again that 2B might somehow be in the least revealing outfit of the entire Soul Calibur female cast.

Wow.

I could care less about the scantly clad femme fatals. Now that 2B is in, I shall slay all of them.

 

[NineS]

Would love to help but.. I have no clue what you're talking about. Also, haven't played Tomato yet. I thought that avatar is from Tokyo G.

Understandable.

I must do my job as a fan to slowly but surely increase awareness of my favorite franchise then, just as you will for Goemon

And Drakengard too?

No.
Not that one.

We don't talk about Drakengard 2...

1 and 3 are completely fine by me, though! If Zero or anyone else from Drakengard got in, I'd probably be just as happy.

 

[GoeGoe]

Soo.. has anyone went through why Bandai-Namco (developers only) were publishing this and not Nintendo (THE publisher)?

 

[CosmicQuark]

I'm sticking with this avatar because it's pretty cool with a capital C.

So, let's say we're getting 10 DLC characters. What combination of 10 characters would make this the Ultimate Smash Bros. game for you?

For the sake of constancy, let's assume Grinch leak is real and Incineroar is also in.

Here's mine:

• Sora
• Lloyd Irving
• Joker
• Paper Mario
• Bandana Dee
• Euden
• Crash Bandicoot
• Rex and Pyra
• Capcom Rep (Either Phoenix Wright, Monster Hunter, Dante, or all of the above)
• Bethesda Rep (Either Doom Guy or a Fallout character)

I'll extend it to 15:

• Spring Man/Ribbon Girl
• 2B
• Ryu Hayabusa
• New Nintendo IP character
• Edelgard

Assuming the Grinch banner + Incineroar is real, here's what would make it Ultimate for me (although it already would be):

• Skull Kid
• Bandana Waddle Dee
• Rex & Pyra
• Bomberman (Konami - Assist to Playable)
• Joker (Sega/Atlus)
• Dante (Capcom)
• Agumon (Bandai Namco)
• Sora (Disney/Square Enix)
• Crash (Activision)
• Rayman (Ubisoft)

If I can't make it assist to playable, then replace Bomberman with a First Party character like Twintelle for the ARMS rep.