Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Cosmic77]

Here's something else we can do. List 5 stages you expect to see in Smash Switch. I'm thinking:

New Donk City
Hyrule Kingdom (BotW)
Urchin Underpass
Spring Stadium
Ultra Space

 

[FunAtParties]

I'm talking about Greninja being included in Smash Bros.
Why Sakurai included Greninja in Smash?

New game, relevant.

 

[Starcutter]

Honestly, this whole "cut 5 characters" thing should be its own thread, just because how long it's been going for.

And yes, I might just be saying that because I'm sick of seeing it here. What of it?

 

[MSmariosonic]

This thread has more "cutting" than your common barbershop.

 

[Roberto zampari]

Tbh, Greninja isn't popular, unless due to the Pokemon X and Y anime, where showed the Ash Greninja.

 

[Deleted member]

Greninja isn't popular

This thread gets wronger with each passing day.

 

[FunAtParties]

Tbh, Greninja isn't popular, unless due to the Pokemon X and Y anime, where showed the Ash Greninja.

I think Greninja was voted the most popular Pokemon in Japan not too long ago.

 

[IronTed]

Greninja was popular since the beginning. Especially due to his use in the competitive scent at the time.

 

[Chandeelure]

Give me this as King Dedede's or Bandana Dee's Final Smash.

 

[Starcutter]

Here's something else we can do. List 5 stages you expect to see in Smash Switch. I'm thinking:

New Donk City
Hyrule Kingdom (BotW)
Urchin Underpass
Spring Stadium
Ultra Space

I want to get kinda creative here, but idk.

Argentum Trade Guild (Xenoblade 2)
Homecoming Hijinx (DKC Tropical Freeze)
Noisy Notebook (Snipperclips)
A stage from Kirby: Planet Robobot
SR388 (Metroid Samus Returns)

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Not to mention K. Rool was one of Nintendo's most iconic villains back in the day and still is in a sense. He also has a unique charm about him that I think a casual fan would find appealing about him (his overall goofiness yet insanity).

K. Rool could be a super-heavyweight trap character.

think Lip is a character that's not to be taken lightly. With less and less shoe-in characters and this game being an expansion to a very complete roster, it's important to be aware of the history of the Puzzle League series.

Puzzle Leaque is a series that has been under our noses, sprinkled throughout Nintendo's history.

• Panel de Pon (Super Famicom, Japan) (1995)
• Tetris Attack (SNES, North America) (1996)
• Tetris Attack (Game Boy, North America) (1996)
• BS Yoshi's Panepon (Super Famicom/Satellaview, Japan) (1996)
• Pokémon Puzzle Challenge (Game Boy Color) (2000)
• Pokémon Puzzle League (Nintendo 64) (2000)
• Nintendo Puzzle Collection (Nintendo GameCube - multipack) (2003)
• Dr. Mario & Puzzle League (Game Boy Advance - multipack) (2005)
• Planet Puzzle League / Puzzle League DS / Panel de Pon DS (Nintendo DS) (2007)
• Chotto Panel de Pon/Puzzle League Express (DSiWare) (2009)
• Animal Crossing: Puzzle League, a minigame included in the Welcome Amiibo expansion of Animal Crossing: New Leaf (Nintendo 3DS) (2016)

We've yet to see a puzzle game character besides Dr. Mario, and this is the puzzle game that belongs to Nintendo. It's also worth mentioning Lip & Panel De Pon have been referenced throughout Smash games in an almost foreshadowing way. Lip's stick appeared as an item in Melee and Kirby's rock ability has a garbage block. So this character and game hasn't exactly been ignored.

Lip could be an interesting character.

Yet, only the characters ever pop up when that kind of argument happens.

Whilst playable characters are not the be-all-end-all of Smash representation, they dwarf everything else in terms of impact, promotion and importance to people. There's a reason why the most prominent aspect being advertised are characters.

As for Corrin, I'm not too sure about. Probably a 50/50 like Roy. Unique character from a well-sold game, but did garner a lot of backlash.

I think it's worth considering that DLC characters in other fighting games don't have the best track record of returning to the base roster of a sequel. And it's most likely that Corrin, even if he sold pretty well, would be the least profitable DLC character.

You wanna know something mind blowing?

ISN'T NINTENDO
ISN'T NINTENDO
ISN'T NINTENDO

Those guys get more of a free pass compared to Cloud partially because they are cartoony and and thus considered more "Nintendo-y".

 

[mario123007]

Donnybrook.

I want it to be called Donnybrook because that just sounds ****ing stupid and I love it.

Don't really what that means to be honest lol.

I don't think it necessarily has to be the word 'fight'.

I don't really like any of the words remaining. Strife doesn't really have the right connotations either

Yeah, that's why I said this is just a mere speculation.
The reason why they just simply called Smash 4 "for Wii U" and "for 3ds" was to prevent confusion among consumers when buying the game.

And call me crazy but I think Smash Bros 4 was probably one of the game that sparked the idea/concept of making a game on a hybrid console,which is the Nintendo Switch.

Now Smash Bros Switch is once again on only one platform, and how they put a tentative title, a new name is pretty much given.

And yes, Japanese might be slightly easy to guess, but English/Western title, they x an name it whatever they want...

I also predicted that the new title might be something related to fire if not related to fighting.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Characters get cut because of time restraints or technical issues. It’s not because they “aren’t relevant”.

Now, if we’re talking about priority then there’s a hierarchy to that as well. If you’re a 3rd party property that has a contract, you’re automatically in. They aren’t going to form a contract and then go back on it. Snake is a different case, as I imagine Brawl was a one time thing unfortunately.

So, if all 3rd parties are planned to return, they will probably all return.

As far as cuts to the first party characters, that could be because of workload, longevity to Smash, diversity in moveset, etc. Unique characters probably won’t be on the chopping block if they’re very different from others because that’s literally the point of their inclusion. Duck Hunt, for example, plays nothing like Marth. They not only have different movesets, but you can’t play them the same way.

You could even say Roy and Lucina, despite being similar to Marth, can’t be played the same either.

Anyway, once characters get put into Smash, they basically become a part of the “family”. They don’t get cut because they have a target on their back, they get cut because they have to.

Time restraints or tech issues.

 

[---]

Tbh, Greninja isn't popular, unless due to the Pokemon X and Y anime, where showed the Ash Greninja.

As much as I want Greninja to return, a very small part of me wants him to be DLC so we can get another bad*** trailer with Ash-Greninja.

 

[?????????????]

Honestly, this whole "cut 5 characters" thing should be its own thread, just because how long it's been going for.

And yes, I might just be saying that because I'm sick of seeing it here. What of it?

That's fine. I made it it's own thread. Now we never have to talk about it here again.

 

[FunAtParties]

That's fine. I made it it's own thread. Now we never have to talk about it here again.

That'll teach you for wanting to discuss things

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

K. Rool could be a super-heavyweight trap character.



Lip could be an interesting character.



Whilst playable characters are not the be-all-end-all of Smash representation, they dwarf everything else in terms of impact, promotion and importance to people. There's a reason why the most prominent aspect being advertised are characters.




I think it's worth considering that DLC characters in other fighting games don't have the best track record of returning to the base roster of a sequel. And it's most likely that Corrin, even if he sold pretty well, would be the least profitable DLC character.




Those guys get more of a free pass compared to Cloud partially because they are cartoony and and thus considered more "Nintendo-y".

The entire point of the game is the crossover aspect. 3rd parties, by definition, are different from Nintendo characters.

Cloud and Ryu fit just fine if they fit the varied style, the “mash-up crossover fighting game” style. Are Samus, Captain Falcon, any Fire Emblem character, or Shulk considered less “Nintendo-y“ because they aren’t as cartoony? That’s silly.

No offense intended, but I simply disagree on that. The entire basis of the game is to mash them together, and to make things weird.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

You could even say Roy and Lucina, despite being similar to Marth, can’t be played the same either.

The only character that plays the same as another character at this point is. Thanks to the changes to shield mechanics in version 1.1.0 and 1.1.1, now actually has her own significant advantages over in terms of shield safety vs. the latter's non-tippered attacks.

 

[Starcutter]

I kinda want to see more people's opinion on the stage list for smash switch, since that was brought up last page.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Are Samus, Captain Falcon, any Fire Emblem character, or Shulk considered less “Nintendo-y“ because they aren’t as cartoony? That’s silly.

Some people actually do consider them, more specifically, Shulk, as not being "Nintendo-y" because of their design. But the thing is, even if most of Nintendo more well-known franchises largely focus on cartoony characters, that's not all there is to Nintendo.

 

[DraginHikari]

I still can't see them cutting anyone though. Smash 4 had probably the best roster Smash had ever seen. They really don't need to make cuts. Like there is very little reason to.

Also I don't see why so many people want to cut Corrin? Again, very little reason why they should cut him. He has a very unique moveset. I guess someone comes at me with the argument ''But he's another swordsman'' and i'm wonderingm what does that even matter when most sword users in the game are unique? That's honestly the dumbest complaint I have heard.

Because unless this is a port with no systems changes from Smash 4 the idea that they will be able to retain all 58 characters from the recent game plus add all new characters it's probably not particularly realistic. I don't really believe they can continue stacking numerous character on top of what already exists without slimming the roster down.

It doesn't matter how loved the roster from Smash 4 is. If development time doesn't allow for it, something is going to be left on the cutting room floor

 

[?????????????]

I don't really believe they can continue stacking numerous character on top of what already exists without slimming the roster down.

Actually, in the long-term...

That's exactly what I would want. If Super Smash Bros. continues as a series where we see an new installment every new "console generation," I would want to see as many veterans as possible with new characters stacked on top of it.

That would be my dream.

 

[FunAtParties]

I kinda want to see more people's opinion on the stage list for smash switch, since that was brought up last page.

Probably get a lot more answers in the stage speculation thread, my dude.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

The winner was Reinhardt of all the Thracia 776 characters. Nanna and Finn gotten a decent amount of support while Galzus had flopped.

Next is that start of the GBA era with Roy’s home Fire Emblem game. Your choices are Lilina, Marcus, Lance, and Rutger.

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[~ Valkyrie ~]

I think Lip is a character that's not to be taken lightly. With less and less shoe-in characters and this game being an expansion to a very complete roster, it's important to be aware of the history of the Puzzle League series.

Puzzle Leaque is a series that has been under our noses, sprinkled throughout Nintendo's history.

• Panel de Pon (Super Famicom, Japan) (1995)
• Tetris Attack (SNES, North America) (1996)
• Tetris Attack (Game Boy, North America) (1996)
• BS Yoshi's Panepon (Super Famicom/Satellaview, Japan) (1996)
• Pokémon Puzzle Challenge (Game Boy Color) (2000)
• Pokémon Puzzle League (Nintendo 64) (2000)
• Nintendo Puzzle Collection (Nintendo GameCube - multipack) (2003)
• Dr. Mario & Puzzle League (Game Boy Advance - multipack) (2005)
• Planet Puzzle League / Puzzle League DS / Panel de Pon DS (Nintendo DS) (2007)
• Chotto Panel de Pon/Puzzle League Express (DSiWare) (2009)
• Animal Crossing: Puzzle League, a minigame included in the Welcome Amiibo expansion of Animal Crossing: New Leaf (Nintendo 3DS) (2016)

We've yet to see a puzzle game character besides Dr. Mario, and this is the puzzle game that belongs to Nintendo. It's also worth mentioning Lip & Panel De Pon have been referenced throughout Smash games in an almost foreshadowing way. Lip's stick appeared as an item in Melee and Kirby's rock ability has a garbage block. So this character and game hasn't exactly been ignored.

More or less - I though wonder if that's where Sakurai's gonna keep the series' representation as is, since Lip being relatively obscure and mainly Japan-only character has been the main reason the series itself hasn't been allowed to progress towards playable representation by this point, seeing Doc as much easier choice anyway. Hence why I'm not holding my breath too much on PdP here much.

I mean, he even considered Takamaru too obscure to Smash 4 at the time, despite the latter slowly making more bigger quest appearances than Lip has (Samurai Warriors 3)

 

[Starcutter]

Probably get a lot more answers in the stage speculation thread, my dude.

I mean sure, but this is the general discussion page. For everything smash. 90% of the time people just talk about characters here, so I just thought it would be a nice change of pace for the thread.

You know, instead of talking about cuts for a good 12 hours

 

[FunAtParties]

More or less - I though wonder if that's where Sakurai's gonna keep the series' representation as is, since Lip being relatively obscure and mainly Japan-only character has been the main reason the series itself hasn't been allowed to progress towards playable representation by this point, seeing Doc as much easier choice anyway. Hence why I'm not holding my breath too much on PdP here much.

I mean, he even considered Takamaru too obscure to Smash 4 at the time, despite the latter slowly making more bigger quest appearances than Lip has (Samurai Warriors 3)

The one thing that bums me out is some characters and series could really benefit from playable representation in Smash, but they're too obscure to get in. It's like a vicious circle or something.

Starcutter just trying to help, man

 

[DraginHikari]

Actually, in the long-term...

That's exactly what I would want. If Super Smash Bros. continues as a series where we see an new installment every new "console generation," I would want to see as many veterans as possible with new characters stacked on top of it.

That would be my dream.

I just don't think it's realistic.

 

[Cosmic77]

Here's something else we can do. List 5 stages you expect to see in Smash Switch. I'm thinking:

New Donk City
Hyrule Kingdom (BotW)
Urchin Underpass
Spring Stadium
Ultra Space

Never let it be said I didn't try to steer the topic away from cuts.

Thanks for trying Starcutter .

 

[Freduardo]

Because unless this is a port with no systems changes from Smash 4 the idea that they will be able to retain all 58 characters from the recent game plus add all new characters it's probably not particularly realistic. I don't really believe they can continue stacking numerous character on top of what already exists without slimming the roster down.

It doesn't matter how loved the roster from Smash 4 is. If development time doesn't allow for it, something is going to be left on the cutting room floor

Why couldn’t they?

Brawl hacks have like 90+ unique characters and PSAs at this point. If modders did that on Wii with a 2 gb sd card, I think Nintendo can top it.

I mean it will make the UI at the character select screen a pain... but those hacks tend to even manage that.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Do you think that the Smash 5 would be a port from Wii U?

Also, the only characters that need to be cut are useless clones.

Clones are waste of space, just put Falco (or Wolf) being clone of Fox, Lucina being clone of Marth (or Ike) and Dark Pit being clone of Pit and case closed. Or perhaps, merge the clones into a skinned, specific character.

I don’t think it will be a port. I think they will bring over assets from the Wii U version to save them months of unnecessary work, but will build a new game on top of that. Similar to Splatoon 2.

 

[NintenRob]

Calling it now, I think the next new Kirby stage is going to be Castle Dedede. It's both a Sakurai made location and prominent in Star Allies (it was also seen in the cutscenes of the 3DS games.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

The one thing that bums me out is some characters and series could really benefit from playable representation in Smash, but they're too obscure to get in. It's like a vicious circle or something.

I'm sure it's because Sakurai has been long aware of just how much Smash Bros-series is able to regenerate interest to franchises he includes that might have been obscure to people otherwise, or had sat on dormancy for a long time, and doesn't want to add even more massive pressure on the roster selections he makes due how the entire fandom would demand characters to be included just for their series to be "rescued" from such states.
That'd only get majorly in the way of choosing newcomers mainly on his own criteria of bringing in interesting characters to play for his game, whenever possible.

This already has happened with Kid Icarus since Uprising's release - most people had thought the series had become one of the big IPs to Nintendo during Uprising's impressive marketing period (3 anime clips? Wow) , yet now that game has more or less to lost vocal presence over the years after Smash 4 came out.

It's why I'm glad Toad managed to be rescued from that "cycle" via getting his own game independen from Smash, being announced more than a half year after he was basicaly deconfirmed from Smash 4 due being that game's Mario-newcomer (followed by later). And just look how far Toad's come since, being very popular and marketable character Nintendo's been very confident on promoting and pushing him forward even today.

Compare that to the state of and .

It's more important that the characters got to have stable interest for new games from Nintendo itself, and Smash Bros shouldn't be banked on that to boost it. It only leads to easy disappointment later.

 

[domriver]

My wish list new stages:
Metroid - Tourian
Megaman - X Stage Sigma's Base ( Megaman X1)
Sonic - Casino Night
Mario - Bowser's Keep ( From SMRPG) - ( Atop of the keep with Exor in the background) omg such nostalgia
Bayonetta - Inferno or even Paradiso themed
Zelda - The Great Plateau
Mario - New Donk City
Metroid - Eylsia aka Skytown from Metroid Prime 3

There is way more but if anyone of these is in im all happy

 

[Megadoomer]

Just watched the New Infinity War trailer, can you imagine if Thanos made the Smash roster...

Spoiler

"When I'm done, half of *the roster* will still exist... perfectly balanced.. as all things should be."

I feel like some people would be happy with that, for whatever reason.

(I get the idea of wanting the game to be balanced, but cutting the roster in half seems like it would only serve to upset/anger pretty much everybody else)

 

[?????????????]

I mean...not to be rude, but if we're talking "likely" new stages, I think we're going to get a lot of similar responses. New Donk City, something from BotW, something from ARMS, a stage from Splatoon...

Personally, I would want Snake Park from ARMS cause I thought it was the most interesting and fun stage.

...Then it got cut from ARMS online, so I guess I was just weird.

 

[Originality]

I've already said that the stage I expect and want is Inkopolis Plaza, I don't really have a preference for other stages but I expect New Donk City, one of the divine beasts like Vah Medoh, and Spring Stadium.
We don't have any signs of splatoon 2 stuff being in but I hope it's soundtrack is at least, along with the first one of course.
Do you guys think omega stages will return? Maybe an alpha stage option too to make them like battlefield instead of fd. I'd prefer a stage hazard switch over both of them though.

 

[?????????????]

Do you guys think omega stages will return? Maybe an alpha stage option too to make them like battlefield instead of fd.

Ooh, I really like that idea.

Generally, I liked the Omega stages cause my friends and I would play a lot of Final Destination when we wanted a battle with no gimmicks, and that gave that opportunity with more musical and aesthetic variety. "Alpha stages" sound like a great way to spice it up even more.

And I have one more stage contribution; a Planet Mira stage based on Xenoblade Chronicles X. I'd really like to see that.

 

[Deleted member]

I really want a HGSS stage because Johto has been robbed of music tracks for way too long(I think there are, like, two).

Do you guys think omega stages will return? Maybe an alpha stage option too to make them like battlefield instead of fd. I'd prefer a stage hazard switch over both of them though.

Battlefield has my favorite stage layout so hopefully yes.
For Glory is sure to come back so variety to it would be appreciated.
I mean, all they gotta do is add three platforms to each Omega stage, shouldn't be that hard.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I have been re-looking at the Smash 4 Ballot quote back when Bayonetta was revealed:

"Bayonetta was the number 1 choice in Europe. In North America, she was among the top 5. This ranking includes even fighters from previous games in the series. Among the negotiable and realizable character, Bayonetta was the overall number 1 choice worldwide"

Do you think, even if Sakurai saw a top Nintendo newcomer ranking in Europe, he would have went for a third party anyway as an opportunity? It does not seem like Sakurai was interested in having a Nintendo newcomer playable in that aspect. I mean it is obvious that Bayonetta was the most popular, unique, and negotiable. But let us say it did not happen. I think another third-party would be chosen by Sakurai anyway.

The way I see it, if Sakurai flexibly chose based on the top 5 and had to do a process of elimination, he would probably eliminated the Nintendo choices, given that their opportunity could easily be contracted in a next Smash game. He would have gone for a third party that will shock the worldwide audience when the top ranking third-party character is actually playable. Business-wise, I think it makes the most sense to choose third-parties over Nintendo characters that could easily be negotiated within Nintendo's headquarters. To waste the opportunity on Nintendo characters would make for an underwhelming surprise, given how the ballot allowed any third party to be voted on.