Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Dixie Kong]

I loved the Shrek 2 game, especially the Gameboy Advance version!
But I don’t want him in Smash.

 

[WaxPython]

Your trolling right?

Nope. I'm not requesting Shrek or anything like that just saying I wouldn't personally mind seeing him in smash. That's all.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

For me has more significance to me than someone like Wii Fit Trainer.

>One of the best selling games of all time vs. Shrek
You can't be serious.

 

[Opossum]

I'll never understood the Lucina love. She's honestly really dull and bland. She's not awful but I don't get the fanbase for her beyond the fact she's a cute anime style girl.

Can anyone convince me there's more to her character than what i saw while playing through awakening?

Lucina's whole deal is that she continually holds the weight of her future on her back, knowing that one wrong move could ruin her chances of changing her future. She and the other future children were given one chance to go back and fix things, so bringing hope to a doomed future is constantly at the forefront of her mind. She has to put on a facade to conceal her identity, and can't even allow herself to react upon seeing her father alive and well in the past. Like the Hero-King himself thousands of years prior, she aims to bring hope to those without it.

Her interactions with everyone once the reveal is said and done shed light on it further. The future she grew up in ensured she'd never have a normal life, with even commonplace things being foreign to her. She had never been on a ship because all of the ports were destroyed. She longs to do mundane things with her parents like sword practice and clothes shopping because she never got the chance to bond with them under Grima's reign.

Fighting is all she'd ever known, so seeing her have even a shred of normalcy for the first time is heartwarming. She's also terrible at jokes and somehow has an even worse fashion sense than her dad, adding to the charm a bit.

She's not my favorite character in Fire Emblem, but she's probably in my top twenty-five.

 

[Loz18-Echo]

Nope. I'm not requesting Shrek or anything like that just saying I wouldn't personally mind seeing him in smash. That's all.

You know what i like that attitude you have in a certain way.

Its the people who actually make up bull**** reasons for them type of characters to get in smash who bother me

 

[Metal Shop X]

I love Shrek 2 the video game. I played it on GameCube as a kid quite a bit.

For me has more significance to me than someone like Wii Fit Trainer.

For me having to be created for a video game isn't that important as long as they've been had games on Nintendo consoles good enough for me tbh.

That's just me though obviously I'm not in charge of the roster.

But Wii Fit Trainer games were some of the most sold game on the Wii, if not of all times, plus, she was picked as the WTF characters and is a video game character contrary to Shrek.

Plus, you said Shrek had major role on Nintendo console, which is freakin' bullcrap.

I don't care if you love more Shrek, he has as much history with Nintendo as Garfield, Cloud come from the most well loved JRPG of all time and AS HISTORY with Nintendo (mostly with KH but still!)

It's fine having an opinion, but you can't just say that ****ing Shrek would make more sense than Cloud, that's bull****.

 

[monadoboy]

Yes, those two characters are more hype than "angst-y big sword man"

To Smash fans. FFVII is literally one of the biggest and most influential games in the history of video games. And waving Cloud aside saying "angst-y big sword man" is very unfair to FFVII's writers. Character development exists.

Cloud wasn't a hype reveal for the fanbase

Not every person that buys Smash is an avid Smash fan. Final Fantasy is bigger than Smash.


Edit, again, I forgot about him:

Even if we didn't count DLC Smash 4 is the game that has Pac-Man in it. There literally isn't any video game character as popular and renowned as him not named Mario.
Pac-Man alone blows away Ridley/K.rool and co.

 

[zeldasmash]

I'll never understood the Lucina love. She's honestly really dull and bland. She's not awful but I don't get the fanbase for her beyond the fact she's a cute anime style girl.

Can anyone convince me there's more to her character than what i saw while playing through awakening?

You aren't the only one, bro. I personally find Lucina to be one of the most overrated characters in Awakening. I find her all sorts of bland and boring and is a constant pessimist throughout the entire game. Every time she shows up, the tone gets a lot more serious and/or tragic then I think it needs to be and when she tries to be anything else, she just comes off as awkward and to me, not in an endearing way.

If I had a say on the roster, Lucina would have never made it in Smash 4.

 

[Michele]

Whew, Cloud discussion again. Makes me remember about his reveal in Smash 4. Exploded the whole internet up. Cloud, the mascot of PS1 or to word it better, mascot of Final Fantasy, in a Nintendo game? Minds were blown.

Other thing that exploded the internet was Snake, a mature person from a mature game in a game for kids and teen as Brawl? Ridley, the archnemesis of Samus, that was too big, but getting on the roster in Ultimate?

 

[Loz18-Echo]

If I had a say on the roster, Lucina would have never made it in Smash 4.

Thank god you ain't Sakurai ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

 

[Nethermoosen]

It's fine having an opinion, but you can't just say that ****ing Shrek would make more sense than Cloud, that's bull****.

What? Who said that?

 

[WaxPython]

>One of the best selling games of all time vs. Shrek
You can't be serious.

Sales means nothing. Many bad games sell well and many good games sell poorly.

Shouldn't be the criteria to judge characters.

Obviously I understand the problem with Shrek being a fighter it's obviously impossible.

But I can't lie if Nintendo decided to include Shrek in the game I wouldn't mind that one bit because I enjoy the character and i enjoyed playing as Shrek as a kid more than I enjoyed playing a faceless avatar with no personality like Wii Fit Trainer.

Shrek has a good cast of characters, good interaction and conversations with the cast, a funny personality all around a funny guy I find more interesting than Wii Fit Trainer.

Just my 2 cents

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Having an impossible character like Cloud or Bayo feels like it has a much better payoff than a requested character tbh.

 

[Loz18-Echo]

Having an impossible character like Cloud or Bayo feels like it has a much better payoff than a requested character tbh.

*cough* King K Rool

 

[osby]

Whew, Cloud discussion again. Makes me remember about his reveal in Smash 4. Exploded the whole internet up. Cloud, the mascot of PS1 or to word it better, mascot of Final Fantasy, in a Nintendo game? Minds were blown.

Other thing that exploded the internet was Snake, a mature person from a mature game in a game for kids and teen as Brawl? Ridley, the archnemesis of Samus, that was too big, but getting on the roster in Ultimate?

This is Smash, most of the reveals bound to create a big impact on the internet.

 

[Michele]

Sales means nothing. Many bad games sell well and many good games sell poorly.

Shouldn't be the criteria to judge characters.

Obviously I understand the problem with Shrek being a fighter it's obviously impossible.

But I can't lie if Nintendo decided to include Shrek in the game I wouldn't mind that one bit because I enjoy the character and i enjoyed playing as Shrek as a kid more than I enjoyed playing a faceless avatar with no personality like Wii Fit Trainer.

Shrek has a good cast of characters, good interaction and conversations with the cast, a funny personality all around a funny guy I find more interesting than Wii Fit Trainer.

Just my 2 cents

Can we please not talk about him anymore? It's obvious you're just trolling. I know you said your opinion, but he will NEVER EVER be in Smash, no matter your opinion.

Please, just stop it. Opinion matters, but Nintendo won't put him in. Serious...I don't know why peoples want him or Goku, or any other characters. Since when did this happen?

 

[CJ Falcon]

The best thing about Lucina is her design. She has long hair so people can find her pretty but she has no sexy clothes or giant T&A so she can be taken seriously without distracting "fanservice". It appeals to everybody. Lucina is one of my top 10 character designs ever.

 

[Michele]

This is Smash, most of the reveals bound to create a big impact on the internet.

Did the reveals create impact even outside, too? I can't remember any other examples, other than Cloud Strife being in Smash.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Can we please not talk about him anymore? It's obvious you're just trolling. I know you said your opinion, but he will NEVER EVER be in Smash, no matter your opinion.

Please, just stop it. Opinion matters, but Nintendo won't put him in. Serious...I don't know why peoples want him or Goku, or any other characters. Since when did this happen?

Actually, he's not.
He wouldnt mind.
What's troll about that?
He's mentioned this more than once. He isn't hoping for Shrek, just saying he'd actually enjoy it.
No big deal.

 

[WaxPython]

but Nintendo won't put him in

Duh, no offence but I don't think you read my post, if you did you would understand that's not the point I was making.

 

[Opossum]

Having an impossible character like Cloud or Bayo feels like it has a much better payoff than a requested character tbh.

I don't know. I'd rather be happy and not-surprised than surprised and left wanting more.

 

[Loz18-Echo]

Can we please not talk about him anymore? It's obvious you're just trolling. I know you said your opinion, but he will NEVER EVER be in Smash, no matter your opinion.

Please, just stop it. Opinion matters, but Nintendo won't put him in. Serious...I don't know why peoples want him or Goku, or any other characters. Since when did this happen?

"Stop hating on people characters"

Can't believe you get called a hater for being realistic now

 

[bbybae]

I'll never understood the Lucina love. She's honestly really dull and bland. She's not awful but I don't get the fanbase for her beyond the fact she's a cute anime style girl.

Can anyone convince me there's more to her character than what i saw while playing through awakening?

uhhhh I have never played awakening but I main her because I like that she's girl marth. So, you nailed it on why I'm a fan

 

[Metal Shop X]

What? Who said that?

Wax, he basically said that Shrek & Goku had major roles in Nintendo games contrary to Cloud.

I won't go into Goku, but Shrek as no real important history with Nintendo, and anyone who say the contrary are either trolling or have some major problem to differentiate "I enjoy those games better than those games" and "those games have more importances in video games history than others no matter which I enjoy or not".

 

[osby]

The best thing about Lucina is her design. She has long hair so people can find her pretty but she has no sexy clothes or giant T&A so she can be taken seriously without distracting "fanservice". It appeals to everybody. Lucina is one of my top 10 character designs ever.

I'm not a big Fire Emblem fan but I like how she takes from Marth without being derivative or "Marth with long hair". It's a nice design.

 

[Michele]

Actually, he's not.
He wouldnt mind.
What's troll about that?
He's mentioned this more than once. He isn't hoping for Shrek, just saying he'd actually enjoy it.
No big deal.

I didn't hate on him or his opinion. I was just stating that he will never be in the game. It's cool to discuss about characters, but there are some characters that won't be in the game, no matter the situation.

 

[Fastblade5035]

I'll never understood the Lucina love. She's honestly really dull and bland. She's not awful but I don't get the fanbase for her beyond the fact she's a cute anime style girl.

Can anyone convince me there's more to her character than what i saw while playing through awakening?

Spoiler

Character Analysis and In-Depth Personality Explanation

Before delving into the character and personality of Lucina, it’s important to re-visit what a ‘Character’ and ‘Personality’ actually are. A personality is the combination of characteristics or qualities that form an individual’s distinct character. Character is the culmination of one’s mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual. From this, we can gather that a person’s traits and quirks are what form their personality, and based on their personality, we can identify a ‘character’.

To start with Lucina, we’ll identify the most obvious aspect of her character first. As it runs in her family, Lucina shares a quality of stoicism and determination. Often this visualizes as a lack of exaggerated emotion outside of fear, anger, and motivation. Because of this, many people assume her character to be ‘flat’ and generic, as the metaphorical mask she wears clouds people’s views of her true character. With a little reading, however, far more traits and quirks sprout

Lucina is particularly mischievous and shows an air of immaturity when prompted by those she trusts and loves. This is seen in multiple occasions; she throws a sparring match against her father, claiming that Chrom “still has much to teach me” as an excuse to spend more time with him. When talking to Female Robin, she spends a plethora of time throwing wild, silly accusations about her pre-conceived notions regarding Robin and her father. So much so, that she becomes flustered. This particular exchange definitively highlights her silliness and susceptibility to flustering.

Avatar: Lucina, I appreciate you wanting to keep the Chrom of this age safe from...harm. But aren't you being overly protective? You suspect even his closest allies...

Lucina: And how do I know you're a true ally? Because of your say-so?

Avatar: Surely you can sense the trust and affection that we have for each other? Chrom and I would never risk our friendship for the sake of some romantic dalliance. When you're older, you'll learn that men and women can be just friends.

Lucina: Are you insinuating I'm naive?

Avatar: Oh, I'm not insinuating anything. I'm flat out saying it. You're acting like a silly, jealous child.

Lucina: Jealous? Is that what you said? So you DO have designs on him! You want him all for yourself, and I'm getting in your way!

Avatar: ARRRGH! Are you even listening?!

Lucina: Of course, I can understand why. Perhaps even forgive you. It's natural that you'd be attracted to such a gallant, wonderful man.

Avatar: Chrom's nice, I suppose, but I've never thought of him as gallant. ...Or wonderful.

Lucina: What are you saying? You don't think he's gallant?! You think he's just NICE? But you're with him all the time! How can you be so blind to his incredible charms?! How dare you not be attracted to him! It's beyond insulting! If you don't start falling for him soon, my true anger will show its face!

Avatar: Er, I thought you DIDN'T want me to fall in love with him.

Lucina: R-right! I do! ...But I don't. But... No, wait. I do. J-just stay away from him, harpy!

In addition, Lucina demonstrates a silliness comparable to Owain when altering Falchion’s name to “Pointy Demonspanker” in hopes of meeting her cousin’s approval.

With her silliness highlighted and acknowledged, we can now delve into her more dominant trait of excessive, almost naïve care, responsibility, and consideration. Indeed, stoicism may be a part of Lucina, but beneath that lies a very caring and responsible, yet ‘workaholic’-like woman. She often lets her duties dominate her everyday life; burdened by the goals of protecting her father, altering the future, meeting her crew’s expectations, saving lives and inspiring the people. These all weigh on her every day, yet she seldom broods about and optimistically goes out of her way to help. As seen in her conversations with Tiki and Brady, she will blindly go about her good deeds amidst her working mind in hopes of bonding and inspiring her troops. Despite this, many people note her susceptibility to over-working, her risk of injury and her risk of falling ill, and indeed, that is one of her character flaws.

Speaking of character flaws, Lucina does have her fair share. Often, main characters, especially those in JPRGS, fall subject to the ‘mary sue’ syndrome. Meaning, the character in question is always likeable, never fails, and is ludicrously overpowered.

With these key points in mind, let’s identify what keeps Lucina from being a Mary Sue. She, as stated above, is a workaholic, and often disregards her own health in order to help others. This is inherently fine, if not self-detrimental, but in various supports – such as Inigo – she exhibits frustration and pushes Inigo away, who is simply trying to help her. This behavior can clearly be seen as a culmination of stress and work boiling to a breaking point.

She also has her share of confidence and pride, if a bit subdued. She does not often display this trait, but a few notable scenarios make this clear. When speaking with Tiki and Kjelle, for example, she acknowledges and uses her strength to her advantage in order to prove her point or get her way. In the case of Tiki, she claims her strength, while unbefitting of her appearance, is more than capable of doing the tasks Tiki was unsure she was capable of. This demonstrates a bit of confidence, and she also boldly challenges Kjelle over a battle of morals. Never once does she doubt her capability against Kjelle, despite the daughter of Sully being one of the strongest warriors in the army.

Lucina also fails, in accordance to the story and against her goals. For all intents and purposes, anyway, SHE fails, even if the situation ultimately changes due to someone else’s influence. For example, she fails to save Chrom from Robin’s betrayal again, she fails to prevent the return of Grima, and she fails to protect Tiki in the Future Past scenario. Her character, too, is not universally accepted. Severa is a strong example of people not instantly fawning over her. In their Hot Springs conversation, Severa exhibits intense jealousy and distaste for Lucina, showing that she has not yet won over everyone’s hearts. In addition, while Tiki eventually warms to her and offers her elderly advice, there are hints of disapproval from the Manakete regarding Lucina’s audacity to claim Marth’s name, as well as her push to parade Tiki through the streets. Even though both are eventually quenched and resolved, this too proves that Lucina does not instantly win over people, as additionally evidenced by her internal dilemma of winning her people’s trust.

With all of this in mind, we can now fully identify Lucina’s character and personality. She is ambitious, charismatic, courageous, dependable, with a light streak of deviousness. She struggles to be gregarious and extroverted, has an air of naiveness, but is very intelligent, industrious, reliable, and sympathetic. While she may not be bubbly and optimistic, she aspires to be such and carries and intense care for her people. She often hides her silly, carefree, goofy side, but these too exist among her pantheon of personality traits.

As a character, Lucina is a person who puts others first. All her goals involve saving the lives of others, and going as far as neglecting her own health. She is an agreeable, understandable, and caring person, but she struggles with her inner doubt about the intensity of her aspirations. Beneath her stoic mask lies a fun-loving, carefree girl who also boasts a great work ethic and intense skill.

Put in another way, Lucina is very reminiscent of older FE characters. Whereas most of Awakening is defined by its’ colorful, outwardly archetypal and easily perceivable cast, Lucina lacks what some may call a “trope” at first glance. However, just like the best classic and contemporary FE characters, she has depth beneath the surface. She is childish, oblivious, naïve, but also incredibly scarred, stressed, and vigilant.

Below are some links to what I consider to be great instances of what I like about Lucina.

https://youtu.be/EjtbXxlRHYo?t=4m25s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgf5TLGvaB8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuAyF1pVLGk

https://kantopia.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/17translate.jpg?w=818&h=1253

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXIAicD65EA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLL0CfnbfLc


also, word of advice for ANY FE character in ANY FE game: look at their supports, I guarantee you they will always be better in their supports than in the story, OR the supports will elevate their story depictions to a higher level

 

[DraginHikari]

The discussion of characters is always going to have some level of bias behind it give the sheer numbers of varying factors that determines if a character will resonate with a person or not. No one can be entirely objective when it comes their view on fictional characters nor can anyone relate to every character which is presented.

I have all sorts of character I simply don't understand their appeal that are brought up here all the time. Though I'm well aware that's a me thing. I mean I've played through Super Mario RPG multiple times and still don't understand the attachment to Geno for example, to me he was just mostly a plot device to keep things moving and didn't seem to have much to him outside of that. This extends to characters like Waluigi, Ashley, Bandana Waddle Dee, Isabel, and Skull Kid which also have fairly decent size bases here for reasons I don't understand.

I don't have to understand it in the end though, I simply have to respect that they exist.

 

[Loz18-Echo]

I'm not a big Fire Emblem fan but I like how she takes from Marth without being derivative or "Marth with long hair". It's a nice design.

I like playing as her because she's cute yup that's the honest reason why i play her.

In general that's the only reason I play FEH just for the cute art

 

[T-Hell]

there are some characters that won't be in the game

There are many characters who have no business whatsoever with Smash. Simple.

 

[Deleted member]

Personally, I feel 4’s roster gets too much hate. I think Mega Man, Pac Man, Little Mac, Shulk, Duck Hunt, Ryu, and Cloud were all awesome additions. I don’t get all the hate it gets.

 

[Mr. Trumo]

I wonder what's happening on Smashboards today...

Shrek

This direct can not come sooner.

 

[Loz18-Echo]

There are many characters who have no business whatsoever with Smash. Simple.

Curious like who?

 

[P.Kat]

So lets play a game to pass the time.

Make a change to the game guaranteed to anger most of the community.

Here's mine: Tripping is back!

Ice Climbers, and Ridley get cut due to Smash being ported to the 3DS again, and it can't handle them. Game's now called Super Smash Bros. Penultimate

 

[Nethermoosen]

I didn't hate on him or his opinion. I was just stating that he will never be in the game. It's cool to discuss about characters, but there are some characters that won't be in the game, no matter the situation.

You literally said he was just being a troll and he should stop talking about it.
If it's cool to discuss characters, Wax should be able to discuss without being told he's just a troll.
Wax knows just as much as anyone Shrek will never get in.
Don't even worry about it.

 

[Ryuuma]

Wat wait.

Shrek supporters are REAL? Like, really real?

Its not just a joke?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Lucina's whole deal is that she continually holds the weight of her future on her back, knowing that one wrong move could ruin her chances of changing her future. She and the other future children were given one chance to go back and fix things, so bringing hope to a doomed future is constantly at the forefront of her mind. She has to put on a facade to conceal her identity, and can't even allow herself to react upon seeing her father alive and well in the past. Like the Hero-King himself thousands of years prior, she aims to bring hope to those without it.

Her interactions with everyone once the reveal is said and done shed light on it further. The future she grew up in ensured she'd never have a normal life, with even commonplace things being foreign to her. She had never been on a ship because all of the ports were destroyed. She longs to do mundane things with her parents like sword practice and clothes shopping because she never got the chance to bond with them under Grima's reign.

Fighting is all she'd ever known, so seeing her have even a shred of normalcy for the first time is heartwarming. She's also terrible at jokes and somehow has an even worse fashion sense than her dad, adding to the charm a bit.

She's not my favorite character in Fire Emblem, but she's probably in my top twenty-five.

Lucina is in my top 5-10 (if she was still voiced by Laura Bailey she would be no.1)

 

[Michele]

Personally, I feel 4’s roster gets too much hate. I think Mega Man, Pac Man, Little Mac, Shulk, Duck Hunt, Ryu, and Cloud were all awesome additions. I don’t get all the hate it gets.

Those hating on Smash 4 are those who were surprised in Brawl with Sonic and Snake who were the first third party. I feel like there wasn't much surprise in Smash 4, hence the hate for the character roster.

 

[T-Hell]

Curious like who?

Like Shrek. Many. I don't really think it is necessary for me to give any more examples as to why many fictitional characters have no business in the Smash Bros universe.

 

[WaxPython]

Wax, he basically said that Shrek & Goku had major roles in Nintendo games contrary to Cloud.

1 they did Goku is a main character in fighter z and Shrek in several games of varying quality.
Cloud has only cameod in Nintendo games.

2 it was obviously a joke and arbitrary argument like that shouldn't be taken at face value. Obviously cloud is the game for his role in ab amazing game final fantasy 7

I didn't hate on him or his opinion. I was just stating that he will never be in the game. It's cool to discuss about characters, but there are some characters that won't be in the game, no matter the situation.

How many times do I have to say it's incredibly. obvious Shrek won't be in the game lol and I never said he will be in it.