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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Who's being toxic?

I don't think people want people to 'not' get their character in, I just think we don't people like Loz and Verg spoiling all the fun MONTHS in advance.


Like, if Skull Kid's in the next Direct? Sure I'll be happy, but.... eh? I knew it was coming.
Why does it have to matter if they were expected? People don't care about that, they care about the character themself.
 

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Why does it have to matter if they were expected? People don't care about that, they care about the character themself.
You can be expected, but still surprising.


No one leaked K.Rool ahead of time, so his reveal was a huge shock.


We had heard about Simon since June, so when the actual 'leak' happened, it was more of a "Oh, okay so they're finally showing Simon"
 

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Who are everyone's current top 3 most wanted characters?

Mine are

1. Banjo-Kazooie
2. Black Shadow
3. Medusa
Excluding anyone who’s more likely to be DLC like Rex/Pyra or Twintelle:
1. Elma
2. Waddle Dee
3. Neku

Sole honorable mention - Black Shadow. Would mention more but it’d become a bigger list so imma stop here
 
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Can we talk about F-zero and Earthbound ? Because with all those Vilains vs Heroes theme going on lately, I think either Black Shadow or Deathborn would be awesome for F-Zero and Claus or Giygas for Earthbound. Of course the Blackknight for Fire Emblem is a get go too.
I think there's one person who'd really like Deathborn.

If Black Shadow didn't have an energy Bull from his punch, they'd have to delete the character.
 

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I don't think they're boring.


But it's not fun having to hear "Hey, hey, x is in Smash" for months ahead of time.


When it finally happens, it's not a "HOLY ****" moment, it's a "Oh, okay it's here" moment.



K.Rool's reveal was perfect. He was HIGHLY wanted and NO ONE leaked it.
If characters getting leaked kills your hype for a reveal why not try to avoid threads where people constantly talk about and seek out Smash leaks?

I mean it's your own fault if you expose yourself to that kind of stuff knowing it kills the reveals for you

EDIT: For example, imagine if karate joe DID get revealed and you hadn't known about i!
 
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You can be expected, but still surprising.


No one leaked K.Rool ahead of time, so his reveal was a huge shock.


We had heard about Simon since June, so when the actual 'leak' happened, it was more of a "Oh, okay so they're finally showing Simon"
Again why does it matter? When the game launches people aren't going to over the roster and say "man I really wished that character was revealed better." They are going to play said character.
 

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If characters getting leaked kills your hype for a reveal why not try to avoid threads where people constantly talk about and seek out Smash leaks?

I mean it's your own fault if you expose yourself to that kind of stuff knowing it kills the reveals for you
Because you literally can't get away from it.

If you go anywhere Smash related, you're going to see a "Vergeben said x" or "Loz18 said y".

Leak culture has become soo intertwined with Smash that unless you completely black out on Smash news, you're going to run into it without looking for it.
 

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Again why does it matter? When the game launches people aren't going to over the roster and say "man I really wished that character was revealed better." They are going to play said character.
Maybe I'm an oddball, but my favorite part of Smash is the speculation cycle.

I of course buy the games, but my favorite part of it is theorizing who gets in, who gets cut, etc.


Leaks just kill and throttle the speculation scene.


I want Incineroar sure, but now he's all you hear about due to Verg.
 

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The best audio file format is finally getting in Smash y'all.

https://imgur.com/y7JZDfy

Before anyone asks no I don't know where this came from someone just posted it on Isaac thread and they said it's from 4chan. I just found it hilarious.
 

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Because you literally can't get away from it.

If you go anywhere Smash related, you're going to see a "Vergeben said x" or "Loz18 said y".

Leak culture has become soo intertwined with Smash that unless you completely black out on Smash news, you're going to run into it without looking for it.
Petition to start an explicitly spoiler-free Ultimate discussion thread? Or they could make this thread spoiler-free and make a separate thread for discussion of leaks both fake and real.
 

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Maybe I'm an oddball, but my favorite part of Smash is the speculation cycle.

I of course buy the games, but my favorite part of it is theorizing who gets in, who gets cut, etc.


Leaks just kill and throttle the speculation scene.


I want Incineroar sure, but now he's all you hear about due to Verg.
See I think most people want/get hyped for characters cause they wanna play them :v

Like leak me Rayman, I don't care, if he gets in as playable I'll be hype either way. If he's an AT, well less so but hey at least he's in.
 
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The best audio file format is finally getting in Smash y'all.

https://imgur.com/y7JZDfy

Before anyone asks no I don't know where this came from someone just posted it on Isaac thread and they said it's from 4chan. I just found it hilarious.
This is probably the first time I've literally laughed out loud at a leak. This is just so ****ing absurd that it's hilarious.
 
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Because you literally can't get away from it.

If you go anywhere Smash related, you're going to see a "Vergeben said x" or "Loz18 said y".

Leak culture has become soo intertwined with Smash that unless you completely black out on Smash news, you're going to run into it without looking for it.
I've never seen anything about Vergeben and Loz when it comes to recent Smash culture, unless you dig real dip into the culture. I'm gonna be honest with y'all, leak culture when it comes to Smash Ultimate isn't that "mainstream". Really the only leaks that get traction is if Nintendo makes a mistake, and then various big heads comment about it. Even then when E3 got leaked, nobody knew until afterwards and just shoved it off.

Even if Vergeben has traction, how much does he REALLY has? I've never seen anyone talk about these leakers. Really, unless if you are a hardcore Smash fan, you likely won't run into them.
 
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1. Skull Kid - has possibly the most creative potential for a newcomer, being an amalgamation of Lovecraftian horror, magic trickster, and fairy tale scarecrow that does a good job representing Zelda's non-human characters (which there are so many of, and so poorly represented.

2. Paper Mario - moveset potential galore, and probably the last major Nintendo ongoing franchise (probably excluding Rhythm Heaven) yet to be represented. Would also be an easy character to make, as he would require a lot less animation work than other characters, similar to Game & Watch. Lots of rich history to pull from.

3. Tetra - people tend to count her out, and I can't for the life of me see why. Probably the most expressive character in Zelda, a PIRATE (which Smash doesn't really have any of - Rool only turns into one for a single move), one of the more commonly known and acclaimed Zelda characters in Japan, a character Sakurai himself worked to include in Smash Bros a little earlier, lots of attention leading up to the '15 ballot, great moveset potential, one of the most recurring characters in Legend of Zelda games period, and looks nothing like any of the other Smash Bros. characters. Would also even out the look of the Zelda roster so far with more fun and flair, as it is starting to looking a little super-serious and Fire Emblem-y. The Pirate Ship needs its captain!
 
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Not sure about Japan right now, but I know in places like Reddit and even here folks usually just expected and/or rallied
In one of the Japanese polls, I forgot which one I might have to go dig it up to be sure, Karate Joe was definitely on the list and voted for quite a bit.
Hell, even in the 4Chan one he was literally below the Chorus Kids by one or two spots. So there's definitely demand for him.

Who are everyone's current top 3 most wanted characters?

Mine are

1. Banjo-Kazooie
2. Black Shadow
3. Medusa
This is a bit hard considering I'm really wanting one character for this game, but hey here we go:
1. Rhythm Heaven character (Don't really care which, I just lean towards the trio)
2. Neku
3. Elma
Which, it may be presumptuous of me, but I REALLY believe Chorus Kids is only because of Gematsu. Without Gematsu, they would just be one of dozens of Rhythm Heaven characters.

Meanwhile, if you play ANY Rhythm Heaven game, you will know Karate Joe, because he's IN every Rhythm Heaven game. That is not the case for Chorus Kids.

I know, at least, I wouldn't have thought of Chorus Kids without Gematsu. Joe is the true face of the series in my opinion.
Well, yes and no.
I definitely full-heartedly believe that if Gematsu wasn't a thing and the RH icon was datamined, many people would be speculating on Karate Joe or one of the Fever kids like Marshal.

However, Karate Joe isn't exactly the face of the series, especially since RH doesn't have one outside of Tibby for MegaMix and the Chorus Kids for RH DS, given he only shows up at the intro and a few remixes.
So in terms of a mascot, it kinda goes to the Chorus Kids, or more fittingly Tibby, given they're included in promotional materials. But me saying that is a little flimsy given when it comes to even RH merch, there's plush of the Onions and no one else soo...

Although, they are a choice that no one would've ever picked due to Karate Joe's seniority and amount of appearances like you said.
That being said though, that's exactly why I think if out of everyone, we're getting the Chorus Kids.
 
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Who are everyone's current top 3 most wanted characters?

Mine are

1. Banjo-Kazooie
2. Black Shadow
3. Medusa
For the "realistic" chances group

1. Ryu Hayabusa (an old school character with some modern games under his belt. Some average joes know him, so he isn't too weird.)
2. Isaac
3. Icineroar and Dixie are about tied for me.

Not so realistic

1. Jin Kazama (Probably not getting over Heihachi, but he's my main in Tekken and a central character in said series.)
2. A Mega Man echo (Preferably, it'd be Protoman. But Bass or Roll could work too)
3. Fulgore (lol, not happening.)

BIG DLC DREAMS

1. Mega Man X (Assuming characters get upgraded to playable)
2. Bomberman (See Mega Man X)
3. Something outta left field.
 
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Well if the theory of it being morning in Japan for any news to come in holds water, another couple hours to wait.

Of course, it could just be a case of waiting for Monday.
 
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