Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[TMNTSSB4]

I have realized that the 32nd Anniversary of Kid Icarus is on December 19th, nearly 2 weeks after Smash Ultimate is released...if we don’t get Viridi or Medusa in this game as a playable character Imma be shocked for life (or you know...they could also make an HD remake/port of Uprising then a sequel)

Someone know where this picture comes from? (I found it in Reddit; but it was made for an outsider)

I'm sure is based in the Source Gaming Top 19 Japan Characters from 2015 but with the already confirmed (or deconfirmed) characters already removed.

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https://sourcegaming.info/2015/09/13/japantopdlcpt2/

I think is a bit obvious I'm asking this because someone published a Smash Picture with Micaiah on it.

Impressed with how low Viridi and Shadow are...echoes for them are still a high possibility

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

That's quite a deep read into what is just a end of trailer joke...



Ok...? I mean, it definitely didn't at all as it's probably my favorite classic Castlevania lol

Oops, I meant Dracula X sucked.

That's SNES Richter

I don't think anyone's going to have fond memories of SNES Richter

 

[RandomAce]

So what's the general consensus on Bandanna Waddle Dee? From what I've been hearing from various communities the main thing going against him is that he's not exactly unique and is simply "a Goomba in headwear" as one called him. Does he still have a chance? Could Sakurai overlook this and add him anyway to appeal to his massive following?

I think it’s more about how he was used back when Sakurai was picking the roster.

By 2015-2016 BWD was essentially a filler character that was only used to fill up the missing playable slots, and when he wasn’t that he resorted to cameos or NPC roles.

It wasn’t until now that he has been deeply solidified along the main Kirby cast. But back then it wasn’t the case, and I feel that his more simpler design just caused him to be set aside for other characters that are either more interesting/wanted.

 

[Shroob]

I have realized that the 32nd Anniversary of Kid Icarus is on December 19th, nearly 2 weeks after Smash Ultimate is released...if we don’t get Viridi or Medusa in this game as a playable character Imma be shocked for life (or you know...they could also make an HD remake/port of Uprising then a sequel)

Impressed with how low Viridi and Shadow are...echoes for them are still a high possibility

I don't think Viridi can work as a Palutena echo. Her hitbox would be way different due to how short she is. She's shorter than Pit iirc.

Medusa would work.

 

[Mutsukki]

So what's the general consensus on Bandanna Waddle Dee? From what I've been hearing from various communities the main thing going against him is that he's not exactly unique and is simply "a Goomba in headwear" as one called him. Does he still have a chance? Could Sakurai overlook this and add him anyway to appeal to his massive following?

Going by what we have so far, I don't see it happening. It seems like Sakurai is adding only the heavy hitters this time around, so I don't think we would get a Rosalina situation again. I honestly can't see or picture a Bandana Waddle Dee reveal trailer in my head. So far we've had only heavily requested characters and a lot of them just got in because they were easy Echoes.

 

[Zinith]

Oops, I meant Dracula X sucked.

That's SNES Richter

I don't think anyone's going to have fond memories of SNES Richter

Okay, that makes sense. I mean here's Rondo of Blood, but take away the plot, the character motivation's, the game mechanics, the extra playable character, and downgrade the aesthetics. What could possibly go wrong?!!!

 

[Will]

I have realized that the 32nd Anniversary of Kid Icarus is on December 19th, nearly 2 weeks after Smash Ultimate is released...if we don’t get Viridi or Medusa in this game as a playable character Imma be shocked for life

That's it, I'm gettin' me drill!

No. Smash. Character. Has. Been. Revealed. To. Coincide. With. A. Specific. Anniversary.
e v e r

 

[Arcadenik]

Medusa would work.

It would be so awesome if we had Medusa as a playable fighter... and we would have Simon vs Medusa matches in the Dracula’s Castle stage.

 

[Mutsukki]

Oops, I meant Dracula X sucked.

That's SNES Richter

I don't think anyone's going to have fond memories of SNES Richter

OH. In that case I agree, that's very probably why. Although Super Castlevania IV was still a thing so people would remember Simon from there. I think whatever site wrote that was just kinda dumb honestly, lol. (Even with the Genesis being way more popular here it wasn't like people didn't play the SNES a lot)

 

[KMDP]

It was truly the ultimate tease. The Assist Trophy section ends (or so we thought) with a fade to black... And then it comes back in with Ashley standing there, waving her wand and MOCKING US

MOCKING US ALL

Ashley decided it was too much work to actually fight in Smash.

 

[SirCamp]

Someone know where this picture comes from? (I found it in Reddit; but it was made for an outsider)

I'm sure is based in the Source Gaming Top 19 Japan Characters from 2015 but with the already confirmed (or deconfirmed) characters already removed.

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https://sourcegaming.info/2015/09/13/japantopdlcpt2/

I think is a bit obvious I'm asking this because someone published a Smash Picture with Micaiah on it.

I'm surprised no one was apparently talking about a Dragon Quest character at all. But given that list I could definitely see Bandana Dee, Geno, B&K, Paper Mario, Dixie, Isaac, and Shadow happening. Given that Dixie and Shadow could be echoes, that would make 5 more unique characters which isn't wholly unreasonable. Geno and Banjo are always a bit iffy due to being 3rd party so who knows, and I doubt we'll get both Magolor and Bandana Dee so I expect we'll get one and the other might become an AT or something. In any case though this makes me very optimistic as far as Isaac's chances go.

Also I sort of counted out Jibanyan there because he is almost a nonentity outside of Japan and also his series is fairly new, so I expect Sakurai may have wanted to make sure it had staying power before considering his addition. And if that were the case it sounds like that might have been the right call, because if I recall correctly Yokai Watch is already starting to phase out a bit. And Arle is even less known outside of Japan afaict.

So apart from those characters listed, I feel like a pokemon rep is possible, Isabelle, Elma, and various other echo fighters could definitely happen. Not even really sure who else. Am I missing anyone obvious?

Will be interesting to see how this plays out. And to be fair, prior to this direct I would have been thinking Ashley's chances were super high as well, so who even really knows with Sakurai at this point. I'm just hoping Isaac can actually pull through.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I don't think Viridi can work as a Palutena echo. Her hitbox would be way different due to how short she is. She's shorter than Pit iirc.

Medusa would work.

Maybe, but Viridi might get a special case since she’s a Sakurai creation (at the least she could use whatever Palutena decides not to use mixed with her Reset Bombs and Palms)

That's it, I'm gettin' me drill!

No. Smash. Character. Has. Been. Revealed. To. Coincide. With. A. Specific. Anniversary.
e v e r

Did I say it had to be revealed during an anniversary or did you just assume I did?

Also...Little Mac: was revealed during a Nintendo Direct on February 13th, 2014, coinciding with the 30th anniversary of the North American release of Punch-Out

Ike announced for Smash 4 in a Director's Room Miiverse post on May 23rd, 2014,which coincided with the ninth anniversary of the North American release of Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones.

 

[KMDP]

Okay, that makes sense. I mean here's Rondo of Blood, but take away the plot, the character motivation's, the game mechanics, the extra playable character, and downgrade the aesthetics. What could possibly go wrong?!!!

What could possible go wrong?

Bubsy.
(I know it doesn't make sense)

 

[Will]

Did I say it had to be revealed during an anniversary or did you just assume I did?

What am I supposed to think, you just want Viridi and Medusa for no reason other than the specifically mentioned date?

Sorry. That type of reasoning to try and say a character's in is just so annoying and stupid to me. If Banjo gets in, it's not because it's the 20th anniversary, it's because he's ****ing Banjo. If Rhythm Heaven gets in, it's not because it's the 10th anniversary, it's because it's ****ing Rhythm Heaven. Not hard to grasp. People say Little Mac got in on his anniversary date when it was only within a month's reach of it. That's a coincidence, not an actual anniversary.

just makes my blood boil

 

[SquashiniKun]

*tumbleweed rolls by on a long road* Me, I'm still a nomad, most people have gotten their long awaited characters that they've waited for just about a decade+, and are chilling in Final Destination, I'm still roaming the land, waiting for at least one of my picks to make it in, but whether they do or they don't that won't keep me from getting this game registering y'all as a friend and fighting against y'all
But seriously Sakurai, my feet hurt from all this traveling, mind giving me some of my favorite newcomers?

He would be cool, I'm personally rooting more for Shantae though.

It's looking pretty possible. There was this one thing in her game, a hint that set off some alarms to me. Mind you it's speculation at best, no matter how big the temptation to delude myself it's not.

So basically WayForward, developed a new game mode in Shantae 1/2 Genie Hero for free called Jammies mode, where you play as Shantae in her... well Jammies. The description of her new mode said "Prepare for the ULTIMATE Pillow Fight." I thought 'hmm strange but it's probably a coincidence.'

But then in the game, plot is Shantae putting together in her words the "ULTIMATE SLEEPOVER PARTY" and that "EVERYONE IS INVITED" friend and foe. Hmm let's see...

Ultimate Pillow Smash Fight, Ultimate Sleepover Crossover Party (game), Everyone is Invited Here. Sounds vaguely familar, and Shantae getting a free mode like this sounds like a celebration of recently good news, while secretly wrapped up as a thank you for the fans

Also, at the end of the story.

Spoiler

Her Uncle tells her that she should go to sleep, so she'll be ready for tomorrow. When she ask "what's happening tomorrow? All he says is "Who knows? Every day is a new adventure"

It could be a coincidence but, WayForward are pretty clever at getting stuff past radar, and those are a lot of coincidences, they could know something we don't. It could be nothing, but for now it's something worth keeping all our eyes on.

Either this is a genius way to tease us, or we're just looking to deep into this, but i would really love it if Shantae joined the battle.

 

[Shroob]

I'm starting to question if Codecs and Guidances will return.

Guidances will need an ENTIRE remake due to a lot of outdated info, as will Codecs.


Though I actually thought of an idea.


What if Inklings have a hidden taunt on Moray Towers that summons the Squid Sisters/Off the Hook to chime in on the other fighters?

 

[PSIGuy]

I wonder how seriously the dev team would consider adding a Smash-original character as a newcomer. Master Hand retooled to be a regular fighter (walking on two fingers) or the Ryu-Oh character placeholder given a Brawl Pit-style revamp and inserted as a Falcon echo would be interesting.

 

[Starbound]

I think the idea of Eggman as an echo for Bowser Jr. is ridiculous. There’s no rule against cross-series echoes, but we haven’t seen any yet out of the six we have, and I don’t think that will change. That’s not the main problem though...

The main problem is proportions. Bowser Jr’s model, without the clown car, is smaller than Sonics. An Eggman that’s SMALLER than Sonic? There’s too many changes that would need to made to make this happen, and it would lead to Eggman being his own unique character, which I don’t think he’s in a position to have.

Not only that, but Shadow is the obvious choice for a Sonic character, and I doubt we’d be getting more than one. In fact, I’m pretty confident Shadow will be revealed as a Sonic echo (feels weird saying that... before Ultimate, I would have never given Shadow a chance. Now he’s one of the few I truly expect with confidence).

I agree with all of this, but I don't think Shadow is the obvious choice. For an echo, yes. But if we were to get more Sonic characters that aren't echoes, I feel like Tails would get higher priority.

That said, I do think a Sonic echo is more likely than a unique Sonic newcomer.

 

[SquashiniKun]

I wonder how seriously the dev team would consider adding a Smash-original character as a newcomer. Master Hand retooled to be a regular fighter (walking on two fingers) or the Ryu-Oh character placeholder given a Brawl Pit-style revamp and inserted as a Falcon echo would be interesting.

Who's Ryu-Oh?

 

[Troykv]

Japan has good taste.

Japan really loves Kirby and Kirby Characters.

Toon Ganondorf is a popular request? Didn't really see that coming.

Well; is hard to say it was a popular request; but it was definitely an idea that was mentioned

I have realized that the 32nd Anniversary of Kid Icarus is on December 19th, nearly 2 weeks after Smash Ultimate is released...if we don’t get Viridi or Medusa in this game as a playable character Imma be shocked for life (or you know...they could also make an HD remake/port of Uprising then a sequel)

Impressed with how low Viridi and Shadow are...echoes for them are still a high possibility

I can't see Viridi as a Palutena Echo (this fits more Medusa for how similar they're proportion-wise), but Shadow looks each day more and more likely.

I'm surprised no one was apparently talking about a Dragon Quest character at all. But given that list I could definitely see Bandana Dee, Geno, B&K, Paper Mario, Dixie, Isaac, and Shadow happening. Given that Dixie and Shadow could be echoes, that would make 5 more unique characters which isn't wholly unreasonable. Geno and Banjo are always a bit iffy due to being 3rd party so who knows, and I doubt we'll get both Magolor and Bandana Dee so I expect we'll get one and the other might become an AT or something. In any case though this makes me very optimistic as far as Isaac's chances go.

Also I sort of counted out Jibanyan there because he is almost a nonentity outside of Japan and also his series is fairly new, so I expect Sakurai may have wanted to make sure it had staying power before considering his addition. And if that were the case it sounds like that might have been the right call, because if I recall correctly Yokai Watch is already starting to phase out a bit. And Arle is even less known outside of Japan afaict.

So apart from those characters listed, I feel like a pokemon rep is possible, Isabelle, Elma, and various other echo fighters could definitely happen. Not even really sure who else. Am I missing anyone obvious?

Will be interesting to see how this plays out. And to be fair, prior to this direct I would have been thinking Ashley's chances were super high as well, so who even really knows with Sakurai at this point. I'm just hoping Isaac can actually pull through.

Well, you're right; but which character they would choice for a DQ Character?

Jibanyan seems it will die eventually after his good first years.

 

[Dragoncharystary]

I'm going to list all the Assist Trophies from the series that have yet to be seen in this game and give my thoughts as to whether or not they will return:

Barbara - Extremely obscure character from a Japan only GBA title. She was referenced with a Mii hat in Smash 4 but still incredibly unlikely to return imo.
Chain Chomp - Popular enemy from Mario. Very well known, I see no reason for this one not to return.
Devil - Another extremely obscure character from a Japan only game, this time on the NES. Was in Smash 4 but I don't think a lot of people liked this Assist Trophy. I'm leaning towards this one not returning.
Dillon - More well known then Barbara and Devil, but still a more obscure character. Potentially could be upgraded to become a playable fighter but that seems unlikely. Dead Heat Breakers was probably not known about when the game started development so I can actually see this Assist Trophy being cut entirely because it may have looked like the Dillon series was dead at the time. Maybe he can get in as a DLC fighter but I think the assist trophy is unlikely to return.
Elec Man - This one could've potentially been replaced by Zero as the Mega Man assist. One of two third party assists that we haven't seen yet. Still one of the Robot Masters from the first Mega Man game so he has some reason to come back. I'm 50/50 on this one returning.
Excite Bike - This one wasn't in Smash 4 but an iconic character from the NES. Unless he becomes a WTF Retro character, I think he has a good chance to come back as an Assist Trophy.
Helirin - Very obscure Japan only Assist Trophy that no one liked in Brawl. Not coming back.
Infantry and Tanks - Very nice nod to Advance Wars which otherwise has little representation in Smash. I think this one will return unless Sakurai decides there's no need since we haven't seen a new Advance Wars game in a long time.
Isaac - Golden Sun hasn't seen a new installment in a while, and it hasn't seen a well received game in an even longer time. However, I think Isaac's popularity in the Ballot will ensure this one returns unless of course he becomes a playable character.
Isabelle - Similar case to Isaac. I think she has a good shot at being a playable character, but if she isn't then the Assist Trophy will definitely come back.
Jill - Very obscure GBA character. This one is very unlikely to return.
Kat and Ana - People like Wario Ware and people like Kat and Ana. No reason for this one to not return.
Lakitu and Spinies - Well known Mario character in the style of the best selling Nintendo game of all time. This one will probably return.
Mr. Resetti - He is from a very popular franchise in Animal Crossing, but I think most people don't like what the Assist Trophy does. That's why he didn't return in Smash 4 and that's why he probably won't return here.
Nightmare - Similar case to Resetti. From a popular franchise, but most people don't like how this one functions so I don't think he's unlikely to return.
Phosphora - Sakurai's character from his game. Nothing else particularly wrong with the Assist Trophy so she will probably return.
Ray MK III - Lots of people like Custom Robo, but it hasn't seen a new game in a long time. I don't think this one is likely unfortunately. But hey, Sukapon is here so there's still a chance.
Sable Prince - Really don't know with this one. Guess it depends on how Sakurai feels? Either way, still an obscure character.
Saki Amamiya - See Infantry and Tanks.
Shadow the Hedgehog - Very similar case with Isaac and Isabelle. Though if he's not playable, I can actually see this one getting cut because the Assist Trophy itself is pretty lame and just copies the stopwatch item.
Skull Kid - Same thing as Shadow. I can see him getting upgraded to playable status, but the Assist could potentially be cut if he's not playable because it is very similar to Palkia and is just overall a pretty lame Assist Trophy.
Tingle - He's already on the Great Bay stage, but as we've seen with Knuckles and the Moon that doesn't rule out the Assist from returning. I'm 50/50 on this one though because this is just another Assist Trophy with a pretty lame function that not a lot of people like.

There it is. Any of you agree or disagree with my thoughts on each Assist Trophy?

Edit: Oops, I missed Magnus. Though my thoughts on him are the exact same as Phosphora.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Here's your daily dose of supposed leaks.

Spoiler: Session

Spoiler: "Leak" 1

Alright, I can't give you anything resembling a release date or a complete roster, nor any concrete info on Echo Fighters, but I have info from an inside source and I need to share it with someone.

>the reason why there's so many fan favorites is because half the roster is based on fan requests, while the other half is based on what the development team wants
>Inkling, K. Rool and Ridley are all supposedly derived from fan feedback received during the ballot
>Simon was chosen primarily by the music team during negotiations with Konami, they cared more about getting the music than the character
>the project plan from December 2015 has 10 unique newcomers on it, nothing about echo fighters, things may have changed during development
>I was given info on Simon, K. Rool and three unrevealed characters
>one is another Ballot result, Professor Layton, chosen based primarily on Japanese results in contrast to K. Rool and Ridley
>the other two are staff choices, and come across as bizarre
>the art design team chose Demitri Maximoff from Vampire Savior simply because they wanted to have fun designing Midnight Bliss designs for the entire cast, they were supposedly debating whether to use 2D illustrations or 3D renders
>Sakurai himself had a very unique request that was only possible thanks to Square Enix's partnership, he chose JC Denton from the Deus Ex series, turns out he's a huge fan of the games
>Adam Jensen was being considered as an alternate costume early on, he may have been turned into an Echo Fighter judging by Richter's inclusion

Demitri Maximoff and JC Denton are literal whos, and the idea of Sakurai and his team doing what they want goes against everything we know about them.

Spoiler: "Leak" 2

The next character to be revealed will be Doshin from Doshin the Giant.

His final smash will be his transformation into Jashin.

He is the largest character in the game.

Doshin is too big lol /s

Spoiler: "Leak" 3

Alright, /v/, it's time for the next round of Smash Ultimate Leaks. I'll put the thick of it here but you can ask me anything I might've left out. English isn't my first language so I may make some mistakes.

There are at least 3 newcomers left to be revealed and 3 echoes. I don't know all the characters who will be in final game but I know with confidence that all of these are legitimate newcomers.

-Isabelle will echo Villager, I think she's a little bit faster but overall weaker and has a unique recovery special. She also has a new FS.
-Ken will echo Ryu. Their differences are actually bigger in Smash than SF for some reason, Ken is much much slower and stronger than Ryu.
-Linkle will actually echo Link. I couldn't believe it either, but hey. She has Young Link's bombs but BOTW Link's hitboxes/hurtboxes and can't pick up arrows but has two crossbows and shoots two arrows at all times. FS is a reskin of Link's. She has a new appearance that looks like Link's Wild armor from BOTW.
-Geno is in fact in the game. He is entirely new and based on his appearance in Super Mario RPG. He has Geno Beam as neutral special, Geno Whirl as side special. Down special is variation of Geno Flash kind of like Bastion from Overwatch's turret transformation with 180 degree range. FS is reskinned PK Star storm but with just one star at a time like in Brawl and Smash 4.
-Heihachi is a new full character. he fights similarly to Mario except for his specials. He looks like he does as an older man in the more recent Tekken games. His FS is like a Tekken special attack. I think he is voiced by Sakurai.
-Kamek will be in the game to complete the heroes vs. villains theme of the game with the original 8. Kamek can fight either on the ground or use his recovery special to switch onto his broomstick and fly. Kamek doesn't hit his opponents physically at all, but only uses magic. His FS is to summon an army of Koopas to run across the stage for a few seconds, it is very good and can kill at 0.

Typical stuff. I don't really like the idea of Kamek, especially for the sake of filling a quota. Heihachi voiced by Sakurai would be funny.

Spoiler: "Leak" 4

September Nintendo Direct
36e Dixie Kong, 38e2 Dillon, 68 Pyra, 68e Mythra

October Nintendo Direct
14e Dry Bowser, 38e Shadow, 45e Isabelle, 69 Skull Kid

September Final Smash Direct
64e Octoling, 41e Zeraora, 60e Ken, 60e2 Akuma, 70 Chun-Li, 70e M. Bison, 71 Monster Hunter

Secret Characters
72 Banjo & Kazooie, 73 Gruntilda, 74 Geno, 75 ???

Echo Fever taken to the nth degree. Sonic having two echo fighters in particular is ridiculous, as are Zeraora being an echo of Lucario and M. Bison being an echo of CHUN-LI. This is ridiculous.

Spoiler: "Leak" 5

I know everyone hates leaks and doesn't believe them. Thats up to you to decide. In the end you'll know im right in due time. Also I know people will be upset that I don't have evidence. I apologize but I don't have any gameplay footage to share or any real look at the movesets. Enjoy the leak people. (I understand why many will believe it is sketchy)

So far there are 73 characters including all echos as uniques, and that number will go to 80. There are 1 unique third party, 1 third party echo, 1 more echo character, and 4 other characters. The characters are:

Skull Kid
Isaac
Isabelle (her own character, most likely due to the villager's moves not really fitting with Isabelle's persona, although I'm unsure)
Bandana Dee
Dixie Kong (echo)
Shadow (echo)
Banjo Kazooie


Assist trophies are:
Chorus Kids
Marx
Decidueye
Elma
Geno (sorry fans)
Shantae (sorry fans)
More will be announced in a smash direct early December, a couple days before the game launches

Story mode is a thing, called Spirits. Although Mario appears dead, he's actually fallen down into a pit and finds the other 7 original smash characters. You work together and go to other characters homelands, like dream land, and defeat the bosses possessing the area. All bosses are being controlled by master hand. Dracula and Dr Eggman are bosses guys.

Hope you are excited. Enjoy yourselves. Enjoy the hype

Oof @ Geno, Elma, and Chorus Kids fans. I'd pour a real strong one out for all ya'll.

Spoiler: "Leak" 6

Smash bros Ultimate info
characters:
Isabelle
Shadow
Elma
Geno
Incineroar (personally I wanted zeraora but **** it)
bandana Waddle dee -
skull kid
The new mode is not story mode btw more on that later.

Standard ****.

Spoiler: "Leak" 7

Alright boys, it's that time of day again. Staying anonymous for obvious reasons.

Characters: (In order) Star Road, Pol7, Lanky, Chaos

Ultimate Spirits: New story mode that acts as a nostalgia trip. all Smash 64 characters get their own levels, designed after one of their original games, the main boss being a corrupted, powered-up version of said game's antagonist. For example, Mario gets his own level, designed after Bob-Omb Battlefield from Super Mario 64. Bowser is the boss of that level, and upon beating him you are rewarded with Mario's Smash 64 skin to play as. About 3-4 hours of gameplay for average players.

Date: This direct is planned to be scheduled on September 17th, and the direct after that is to be scheduled somewhere in the last week of November, just less than 2 weeks before the release of Ultimate.

Star Road is obviously Geno, but who could the rest be? I have no clue.

Spoiler: "Leak" 8

New Info on Story Mode
The story mode is called Spirits and focuses on collecting the spirits of dead characters from bosses

There are some cutscenes and the whole thing is meant to take 10 hours for the average player to complete.

The dead characters include:
-Zelda
-DeDeDe
-Mario
-Luigi
-Megaman
-Diddy Kong
-Falco
-Olimar
-Jigglypuff
Some of these characters die in future reveal trailers, but some die in cutscenes in the story mode. There are 10 bosses. 9 bosses to get the spirits back and 1 Final Boss.

Bosses:
-Rathalos
-Dracula
-Lord Nightmare
-Necrozma
-Dark Bowser
-Lord Fredrik
-Parasite Queen
-Kamek
-The Gorgon
-Gohma
The final boss is a completely original smash creation called "The Puppeteer". It is a shadowy figure holding the strings of puppets which are used to fight the player(s).

Subspace Emissary is co-op and you can choose who you want to play as. There is varying dialogue/cutscenes based on who the player(s) choose.

Expect this information to be revealed in a few months.

So, according to this "leak" is Subspace also coming back alongside Spirits?

Because that'd be ****ing hype.

Spoiler: "Leak" 9

I'm involved in the next direct - airing in Early October.

There will be another one in November but I'm not involved in it.

>Starts off with Professor Layton reveal
>Focuses on Singleplayer (Name isn't finalized, though logo is similar to subspace)
>Briefly touches the story and some cutscenes
>Goes to online modes and goes into detail about those
>Ken and Shadow echo fighters revealed
>"End"
>Banjo reveal

Believe it, don't believe it. I don't give a **** - but that's whats in the October Smash Direct.

There's still 1 more after that in late November.

Bruh that's one heck of a Direct. And we get another one with the last round of characters after that? This Smash Bros. is already the best, but this would make it better.

Spoiler: "Leak" 10

No long winded spiel of "Blah blah blah, work for Nintendo" or ****, you already know these are happening. I only know 3 characters

Newcomers:

Tapu Koko: It's not Inciniroar. Final Smash is its Z-Move, down B puts electric patches down that work like traps in other games, stepping on one causes daze akin to shield break. VERY fast, about Captain Falcon speed. There are NO alternate costumes of the other Tapus

Isabelle: Not an echo fighter. Works like Phoenix Wright in Marvel where her attacks act like accidents, though she has Villager's dash attack where she trips while carrying something. Final Smash is dropping a leaf which turns into a random village item like a fountain or monkey bars, very short range, akin to Ike's

Echoes:

Medusa: You can ****ing blame Emily Roger for opening her big yap about this. If I'm going down, I'm taking that ***** with me. Echo of Palutena and seriously go **** yourself Emily, god damnit, I told you this **** in confidence and you go yap

Another reference to Emily Roger saying something but there's no source behind it. I'm offering a bounty of fake internet points to whoever can find a source of Emily Roger saying this.

Spoiler: "Leak" 11

Leakfag here. I almost feel bad spoiling this because im sure it will be hype as ****, but no one will believe me anyway so whatever.

Banjo's in, but he's going to pull a simon and also introduce another character no one saw coming. Gruntilda is in.

She is the first smash character with free flight. It's very risk/reward though, its slowish, and any hit to her at all has her tumble straight down off the broom with no recovery, getting stuck in the ground for a second.

Minecraft is also in, but it's just a stage I think and I know at least the creeper is an assist trophy. Basically works as a homing electrode.

That sounds like an interesting concept to Gruntilda, but I'd need to see it in action to believe it. Free flight sounds OP though.

Spoiler: "Leak" 12

I have insider information that told me that there's going to be another Smash Bros. Ultimate focused direct on September 12th. I don't know very much but this is what I have.

2 new echo fighters will be revealed:
38' Shadow
45' Isabelle
{Apparently Sakurai acknowledges the recent number of assist trophies upgraded to fighters this iteration of the game.}

2 Newcomers:
69 Monster Hunter
70 Incineroar
{68: Crono, will be revealed in a Nintendo Direct in late August along with a Guardia Castle stage.}

Stages:
Pac-Maze - Returning
Jungle Hyjnx - Returning
Ancestral Steppe - New
Tapu Ruins - New
{Weird gimmick where all 4 Tapu pokemon are a stage hazard. Players have to summon them somehow when a totem pole appears on the stage. I only know about 2 of them,
Tapu Koko - Electric Surge:
The entire field becomes an electric terrain to where it damages fighters for a period of time.
Tapu Bulu: Grassy Surge
Covers the stage in some kind of green mist and the player who managed to summon get's healed for a duration of time similar to the healing field item.

Modes:
Smash Run {Supports up to 8 players/CPUs, new final battles been added such as stamina battles, you can interact with each other in Smash Run, you can still gain gold, trophies, mystery/custom bags, etc. Can be played online.}
Smash Tour - Basically like Smash 4.

Standard fare, minus Crono, who could be a pretty fun addition. If I had to rank potential SE Reps though, I'd go Geno = Sora > Terra Branford > Agnes Olbige = Lara Croft > Adam Jensen. Again, Smash Tour coming back would be welcome.

Spoiler: "Leak" 13

Hello all. I am a current employee at NoA, and over the past six months (since I first heard about it), I’ve been trying to gather as much information as I can regarding this upcoming Smash Bros. game. It’s been hard, as Kyoto and Reggie have been extremely tight-lipped regarding anything having to do with Ultimate, but I think I’ve gathered enough info for you all to be satisfied.

1. Firstly, Geno, Shadow, and Isabelle are indeed playable. There are no new Kirby, Zelda, Street Fighter, Pac-Man, Mega Man, Final Fantasy, Kid Icarus, Punch-Out!, F-Zero, Earthbound, Pikmin, Metal Gear, or Starfox reps. I have no information on Pokémon.
2. Subspace Emissary is NOT back.
3. Another direct is planned for October and maybe November. (there is currently a discussion on when to announce and show off the new mode and some other stuff). None in September or December.
3. The Masterpieces are returning.
4. Target Smash, Board the Platforms, and Smash Tour are not returning.
5. Spring-Man, the Octolings, Rex and Pyra, and any character from BOTW or SMO will NOT be playable in the base roster or DLC as they are too new. This may change further down the line, but as it stands, they aren’t in.
6. Isaac, Saki Amamiya, Skull Kid, and Dillon will all remain as assist trophies.
7. Rhythm Heaven will be represented in some way, but I wasn’t told how.
8. 3rd party characters Spyro, Travis Touchdown, and Rayman/Rabbids were all considered at one point as DLC but have since been rejected. Crash Bandicoot and Banjo and Kazooie are still being considered for DLC.
9. Shovel Knight is the only indie representation. Shantae and Steve were originally intended to also be in the game, but both were cut.
10. Online mode is still being tweaked, but a full reveal is planned.

Regular stuff. Take a video.

Spoiler: "Leak" 14

>Yes, the new mode is called "Spirits."
>It's basically a shorter and much less exhausting version of the SSE where you take control of certain characters and attempt to free their spirits. Freeing their spirits will unlock said characters.
>Most characters have a random boss attached to it. There are a total of 12 bosses from multiple series like Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Monster Hunter, etc.
>There are CG cutscenes.
>The remaining newcomers are: Paper Mario, Yuri Kozukata from Fatal Frame, Skull Kid from Zelda, Isaac from Golden Sun, Heihachi from Tekken, Shadow as an echo for Sonic, Ken as an echo for Ryu, and Geno. Yuri, Skull Kid, and Isaac are the last three first-party characters while Heihachi, Shadow, Ken, and Geno will be the last third-party characters.
>Paper Mario's Final Smash is a cinematic that plays out in the style of a Paper Mario battle where he will choose an attack and hit the opponent with a lot of theatrics.
>Yuri's Final Smash involves her using the Camera Obscura and achieving a Fatal Frame against those that were targeted.
>Heihachi's is pretty much like Tekken 7, just altered a little bit.
>There is one more newcomer in the game as well. They are a big request so it's up to you to figure out who it is. They are insanely popular, that's all I'll say.
>New Assist Trophies include Fawful, Stallord, Kamek, Bandana Dee, Aran Ryan, Mad King Gangrel from Fire Emblem, Ouse Kurosawa from Fatal Frame, Rayman, Yoshimitsu and Chun-Li, among others
>Some stages left to be revealed are Busted Bayou from Donkey Kong Country, Gargoyle's Perch from Tekken, Mount Hikami from Fatal Frame, Bowser's Castle and some returning ones are Planet Zebes, Icicle Mountain, Poke Floats (with new Pokemon), Jungle Hijinxs, Paper Mario, Mute City, and Rainbow Road

That's all I have for today. I hope you guys like the game. We are working very hard on it. Goodbye.

This is one solid roster. Very nice. Who would you think the "one more newcomer" is?

Spoiler: "Leak" 15

Hello there 4chan.
I am a member of the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate animation studio. As you would expect, we work on the cinematic reveal trailers.
I wanted to reveal a bit of information for you Earthbound fans.
We have been working on a trailer after the reveal of King. K Rool, Simon, and Richter.
The trailer features Mega Man after the Ridley reveal trailer. It will involve Mega Man exploring a laboratory, eventually coming across and being attacked by Pokey Minch, being revealed as the next new fighter.
Sadly, I am not sure how he will play.

Porky is unconventional, but a "leak" like this is easily traceable back to the source. RIP OP.

Spoiler: "Leak" 16

Hello everyone, now I’m sure you’ve seen at least a few Smash Leaks. Now I must say that there is only one leaker so far who was right on everything he leaked, Loz18. Vergeben did however get a few things wrong, for example, he was correct about Decidueye and some other Pokémon not making it into the roster. But Incineroar is NOT the new Pokémon. With that out of the way, I do have information about the game. I did know about Simon, Richter, Chrom, Dark Samus, & King K. Rool. I did not leak them because when I found out they were gonna be revealed along with the other pieces of info in the Direct, there were only about 16 hours until the Direct, no point in it. Now, onto the information.

Story Mode
>The Mystery Mode is indeed titled “Spirits” and is a Story Mode. It was going to be “Subspace Emissary 2” but the title was scrapped due to the Story Mode having nothing to do with Subspace
>Every CGI trailer we’ve seen has teases to the Story. You know, Mario, Mega Man, & Luigi dying. Except for the announcement trailer
>Spirits is, however, a sequel to the Subspace Emissary
>Characters in Brawl do remember the events of Subspace
>The following characters remember the events of Subspace: Villager, Mewtwo, Little Mac, Palutena, Shulk, & Ridley
>The following characters have Voice Actors: Fox, Falco, Marth, Lucina, Roy, Chrom, Pit, Dark Pit, Snake, Ike, Sonic, Wolf, Palutena, Robin, Shulk, Ryu, Cloud, Bayonetta, Simon Belmont, & Richter
>The first unlockable character that joins your party is Meta Knight
>Mario becomes Dr. Mario in some parts of Spirits
>The first cutscene in Spirits starts off with the ending of Subspace, the final battle caused the 1st party universes to merge with the 3rd party universes that aren’t Metal Gear and Sonic the Hedgehog
>all the CGI moments in trailers we see are in fact actual cutscenes in Story Mode
>I do not have information on the big bad
MODES
>Spirits & All Star Mode are the last modes to be revealed
>All Star Mode is the same but the background closely resembles Brawl’s than any other
>The 2nd icon on the dashboard, the only blurred out one, is too check your party in Spirits

ASSIST TROPHIES
>Dixie Kong
>Impa
>Tingle
>Sylux
>Medusa
>Elma
>Wonder Red
>Chun-Li
>Leon S. Kennedy
>Noctis
>Lloyd
>Akira
>Crash Bandicoot

STAGES
>The Monster Hunter Stage is exclusive to Spirits
>If you select Random on Stage Morph, it’ll morph between every Stage
>Stage Builder returns
>Poké Floats
>Minecraft Island
>Bowser’s Castle
>Hano Beach

CHARACTERS
>Sakurai is only focusing on characters who have been requested for years. Rex & Pyra, Decidueye, Spring Man, ect.
>Paper Mario, Chorus Kids, & Heihachi were scrapped
>Ms. Pac Man is a Pac Man alt
>Echo Fighters
>Black Shadow (Captain Falcon)
>Shadow (Sonic)
>Isabelle (Villager)
>Ken (Ryu)
>Octoling (Inkling)

>Shadow could be considered a Semi-Clone of Sonic as 2 of his moves differ from Sonic’s
>Up B is Teleportation
>Standard B is Chaos Sphere
>Final Smash is Super Shadow but he uses Chaos Control before he goes Super

>Unique Fighters
>Geno
>Skull Kid
>Bandana Dee
>Sceptile
>Isaac
>Banjo Kazooie

>I have no word on when the next Nintendo Direct will be

The characters portion of this leak is really confusing, but it's a solid roster overall.

Spoiler: "Leak" 17

>Gardevoir
>Gothitelle (echo of Gardevoir)
>Metal Mario (echo of Mario)
>Elma
>Fiora (echo of Elma)
>Rayman
>Black Shadow (echo of Captain Falcon, has the specials of Ganondorf though)

thoughts?

I almost didn't count this due to low effort. Do you think I should count this one? I'll leave it up to you.

Also, here's the NeoGAF leak in mention:

Spoiler: NeoGAF "leak" Session

Hello again everyone.
I wanted to share the missing information with you all that I got for the game's final characters.

2 out of the 7 newcomers are already confirmed and here are the final ones.

- K Rool (already confirmed)
- Simon Belmont (already confirmed)
- Isaac (is on his way)
- Monster Hunter (is still in development which is the reason why he wasn't confirmed today)
- Terra from the Final Fantasy Series
- Another Bandai Namco character
- Prince Sable from "For the Frog the Bell Tolls"

Coming to the Echo Fighter there are people who didn't understand the system behind my information. The 2 "X" that were left were indeed Dark Samus und Richter. It was the amount of characters I got information on for the time being. And I didn't include characters like Inkling,Ridley and Daisy since they were already officially confirmed at that point. Since people doubted it I only wanted to share information again when some of the characters I called were finally confirmed.
There will be no more "X" this time since I wanted to make sure that everyone is named.

With that said there will indeed be more Echo Fighters than I anticipated before.

- Chrom based on Roy (already confirmed)
- Soren based on Robin (still on his way)
- Dark Samus based on Samus (already confirmed)
- Richter based on Simon (already confirmed)
- Ken based on Ryu (still on his way)
- Shadow the Hedgehog based on Sonic (still on his way)
- Felix based on Isaac(will be revealed together with Isaac like Simon was with Richter)
- Isabelle based on Villager (still on her way)
- Galacta Knight based on Meta Knight (still on his way)

As for the Bandai Namco character, it's the only one left I don't know about. I will update it if I get my hands on that information.
That's it for the main roster. I don't know if there are any plans for DLC but since Super Smash Bros for the Wii U had DLC you can most likely expect it here as well.

This post will be deleted soon as well. And again, take it or leave it.

It's supposedly an extension to this leak:

I might delete this post soon since I don't want to cause the source I got this information from any trouble though I can't help it to share this information out of curiosity, even if it won't stay here for too long.


Here is some basic information that I've got:


- The Fire Emblem Series won't receive any newcomers but 2 who are based on existing fighters

- The Legend of Zelda Series won't receive any newcomers

- The Pokemon Series won't receive any newcomers

- Something about an addition to Cloud was mentioned, though I don't know for now if it's gonna be another Final Fantasy character or some other Square Enix character

There are gonna be 12 newcomers in total from which 5 of them are going to be based on other fighters.


For the new ones I only got information on 3 characters who should appear in this title:


- Simon Belmont

- King K. Rool

- Isaac

- X

- X

- X

- X


As for the 5 who are based on other fighters I could also just get the name of 3 of them:


- Chrom based on Roy (appearently with other effects than flames?)

- Soren (I don't know about any changes but he willl be based on Robin)

- Ken ( Based on Ryu with Flame effects)

- X

- X


Some of those will be announced very soon.


Take it or leave it I don't care, I will delete this post soon anyways.

Do we know if the first "leak" is actually an extension of the second? Paging Jibblypuff_ because he seems to know more about this than I do.

 

[Will]

Who's Ryu-Oh?

X : A Love Story

 

[Starbound]

I'm starting to question if Codecs and Guidances will return.

Guidances will need an ENTIRE remake due to a lot of outdated info, as will Codecs.


Though I actually thought of an idea.


What if Inklings have a hidden taunt on Moray Towers that summons the Squid Sisters/Off the Hook to chime in on the other fighters?

Honestly I would be totally okay with that because it doesn't require voice acting. Just squid... noises.

So if we get DLC we could actually get a real conversation than the unknown fighter convo.

 

[Arcadenik]

-Waluigi
-Ashley
-Bomberman

Every character that was associated with Wario in some way got screwed over.

Toad was screwed over too.

 

[Enchess]

I wonder how seriously the dev team would consider adding a Smash-original character as a newcomer. Master Hand retooled to be a regular fighter (walking on two fingers) or the Ryu-Oh character placeholder given a Brawl Pit-style revamp and inserted as a Falcon echo would be interesting.

I have no idea why this board is so unwilling to even entertain the idea of a playable Hand (not as a special boss mode). Im confident the idea has at least come up once or twice in conversation at Nintendo.

 

[Jetsurge]

Right. She was the only returning AT shown in the direct (aside from Grey Fox, but he gets a callout because he missed a game), and it was inserted after the trophy montage and before the next section. Just seems suspicious is all. They could have at least put her up on the website afterward, along with the other confirmed returning ATs.

Oh no, this is Waluigi all over again.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

A deep read is thinking the two chairs behind Sakurai meant anything.

Not what I said which could be a joke sure, but it could also be a cliff-hanger.

Sakurai HAS implemented and used cliff hangers before. See Dark Pit.

 

[BluePikmin11]

You know what I want most from one of Ultimate's newcomer trailers: a newcomer trailer that brings out emotions/tears.

For example, you could put Mario in a scenario, where he finally sees the puppet Geno after 20 years...

...with the plumber tearing up endlessly...

...embracing Geno tightly..

...with the mustached man finally giving the Smash Bros. invitation to the Star Warrior...

I want Sakurai to destroy me with emotional moments so badly. I need it.

 

[Will]

Right. She was the only returning AT shown in the direct (aside from Grey Fox, but he gets a callout because he missed a game), and it was inserted after the trophy montage and before the next section. Just seems suspicious is all. They could have at least put her up on the website afterward, along with the other confirmed returning ATs.

I think she's labeled-not-labeled by the "and more" since IIRC the list only mentions 30/50 Assists.

 

[Shroob]

Here's your daily dose of supposed leaks.

Spoiler: Session

Spoiler: "Leak" 1

Alright, I can't give you anything resembling a release date or a complete roster, nor any concrete info on Echo Fighters, but I have info from an inside source and I need to share it with someone.

>the reason why there's so many fan favorites is because half the roster is based on fan requests, while the other half is based on what the development team wants
>Inkling, K. Rool and Ridley are all supposedly derived from fan feedback received during the ballot
>Simon was chosen primarily by the music team during negotiations with Konami, they cared more about getting the music than the character
>the project plan from December 2015 has 10 unique newcomers on it, nothing about echo fighters, things may have changed during development
>I was given info on Simon, K. Rool and three unrevealed characters
>one is another Ballot result, Professor Layton, chosen based primarily on Japanese results in contrast to K. Rool and Ridley
>the other two are staff choices, and come across as bizarre
>the art design team chose Demitri Maximoff from Vampire Savior simply because they wanted to have fun designing Midnight Bliss designs for the entire cast, they were supposedly debating whether to use 2D illustrations or 3D renders
>Sakurai himself had a very unique request that was only possible thanks to Square Enix's partnership, he chose JC Denton from the Deus Ex series, turns out he's a huge fan of the games
>Adam Jensen was being considered as an alternate costume early on, he may have been turned into an Echo Fighter judging by Richter's inclusion

Demitri Maximoff and JC Denton are literal whos, and the idea of Sakurai and his team doing what they want goes against everything we know about them.

Spoiler: "Leak" 2

The next character to be revealed will be Doshin from Doshin the Giant.

His final smash will be his transformation into Jashin.

He is the largest character in the game.

Doshin is too big lol /s

Spoiler: "Leak" 3

Alright, /v/, it's time for the next round of Smash Ultimate Leaks. I'll put the thick of it here but you can ask me anything I might've left out. English isn't my first language so I may make some mistakes.

There are at least 3 newcomers left to be revealed and 3 echoes. I don't know all the characters who will be in final game but I know with confidence that all of these are legitimate newcomers.

-Isabelle will echo Villager, I think she's a little bit faster but overall weaker and has a unique recovery special. She also has a new FS.
-Ken will echo Ryu. Their differences are actually bigger in Smash than SF for some reason, Ken is much much slower and stronger than Ryu.
-Linkle will actually echo Link. I couldn't believe it either, but hey. She has Young Link's bombs but BOTW Link's hitboxes/hurtboxes and can't pick up arrows but has two crossbows and shoots two arrows at all times. FS is a reskin of Link's. She has a new appearance that looks like Link's Wild armor from BOTW.
-Geno is in fact in the game. He is entirely new and based on his appearance in Super Mario RPG. He has Geno Beam as neutral special, Geno Whirl as side special. Down special is variation of Geno Flash kind of like Bastion from Overwatch's turret transformation with 180 degree range. FS is reskinned PK Star storm but with just one star at a time like in Brawl and Smash 4.
-Heihachi is a new full character. he fights similarly to Mario except for his specials. He looks like he does as an older man in the more recent Tekken games. His FS is like a Tekken special attack. I think he is voiced by Sakurai.
-Kamek will be in the game to complete the heroes vs. villains theme of the game with the original 8. Kamek can fight either on the ground or use his recovery special to switch onto his broomstick and fly. Kamek doesn't hit his opponents physically at all, but only uses magic. His FS is to summon an army of Koopas to run across the stage for a few seconds, it is very good and can kill at 0.

Typical stuff. I don't really like the idea of Kamek, especially for the sake of filling a quota. Heihachi voiced by Sakurai would be funny.

Spoiler: "Leak" 4

September Nintendo Direct
36e Dixie Kong, 38e2 Dillon, 68 Pyra, 68e Mythra

October Nintendo Direct
14e Dry Bowser, 38e Shadow, 45e Isabelle, 69 Skull Kid

September Final Smash Direct
64e Octoling, 41e Zeraora, 60e Ken, 60e2 Akuma, 70 Chun-Li, 70e M. Bison, 71 Monster Hunter

Secret Characters
72 Banjo & Kazooie, 73 Gruntilda, 74 Geno, 75 ???

Echo Fever taken to the nth degree. Sonic having two echo fighters in particular is ridiculous, as are Zeraora being an echo of Lucario and M. Bison being an echo of CHUN-LI. This is ridiculous.

Spoiler: "Leak" 5

I know everyone hates leaks and doesn't believe them. Thats up to you to decide. In the end you'll know im right in due time. Also I know people will be upset that I don't have evidence. I apologize but I don't have any gameplay footage to share or any real look at the movesets. Enjoy the leak people. (I understand why many will believe it is sketchy)

So far there are 73 characters including all echos as uniques, and that number will go to 80. There are 1 unique third party, 1 third party echo, 1 more echo character, and 4 other characters. The characters are:

Skull Kid
Isaac
Isabelle (her own character, most likely due to the villager's moves not really fitting with Isabelle's persona, although I'm unsure)
Bandana Dee
Dixie Kong (echo)
Shadow (echo)
Banjo Kazooie


Assist trophies are:
Chorus Kids
Marx
Decidueye
Elma
Geno (sorry fans)
Shantae (sorry fans)
More will be announced in a smash direct early December, a couple days before the game launches

Story mode is a thing, called Spirits. Although Mario appears dead, he's actually fallen down into a pit and finds the other 7 original smash characters. You work together and go to other characters homelands, like dream land, and defeat the bosses possessing the area. All bosses are being controlled by master hand. Dracula and Dr Eggman are bosses guys.

Hope you are excited. Enjoy yourselves. Enjoy the hype

Oof @ Geno, Elma, and Chorus Kids fans. I'd pour a real strong one out for all ya'll.

Spoiler: "Leak" 6

Smash bros Ultimate info
characters:
Isabelle
Shadow
Elma
Geno
Incineroar (personally I wanted zeraora but **** it)
bandana Waddle dee -
skull kid
The new mode is not story mode btw more on that later.

Standard ****.

Spoiler: "Leak" 7

Alright boys, it's that time of day again. Staying anonymous for obvious reasons.

Characters: (In order) Star Road, Pol7, Lanky, Chaos

Ultimate Spirits: New story mode that acts as a nostalgia trip. all Smash 64 characters get their own levels, designed after one of their original games, the main boss being a corrupted, powered-up version of said game's antagonist. For example, Mario gets his own level, designed after Bob-Omb Battlefield from Super Mario 64. Bowser is the boss of that level, and upon beating him you are rewarded with Mario's Smash 64 skin to play as. About 3-4 hours of gameplay for average players.

Date: This direct is planned to be scheduled on September 17th, and the direct after that is to be scheduled somewhere in the last week of November, just less than 2 weeks before the release of Ultimate.

Star Road is obviously Geno, but who could the rest be? I have no clue.

Spoiler: "Leak" 8

New Info on Story Mode
The story mode is called Spirits and focuses on collecting the spirits of dead characters from bosses

There are some cutscenes and the whole thing is meant to take 10 hours for the average player to complete.

The dead characters include:
-Zelda
-DeDeDe
-Mario
-Luigi
-Megaman
-Diddy Kong
-Falco
-Olimar
-Jigglypuff
Some of these characters die in future reveal trailers, but some die in cutscenes in the story mode. There are 10 bosses. 9 bosses to get the spirits back and 1 Final Boss.

Bosses:
-Rathalos
-Dracula
-Lord Nightmare
-Necrozma
-Dark Bowser
-Lord Fredrik
-Parasite Queen
-Kamek
-The Gorgon
-Gohma
The final boss is a completely original smash creation called "The Puppeteer". It is a shadowy figure holding the strings of puppets which are used to fight the player(s).

Subspace Emissary is co-op and you can choose who you want to play as. There is varying dialogue/cutscenes based on who the player(s) choose.

Expect this information to be revealed in a few months.

So, according to this "leak" is Subspace also coming back alongside Spirits?

Because that'd be ****ing hype.

Spoiler: "Leak" 9

I'm involved in the next direct - airing in Early October.

There will be another one in November but I'm not involved in it.

>Starts off with Professor Layton reveal
>Focuses on Singleplayer (Name isn't finalized, though logo is similar to subspace)
>Briefly touches the story and some cutscenes
>Goes to online modes and goes into detail about those
>Ken and Shadow echo fighters revealed
>"End"
>Banjo reveal

Believe it, don't believe it. I don't give a **** - but that's whats in the October Smash Direct.

There's still 1 more after that in late November.

Bruh that's one heck of a Direct. And we get another one with the last round of characters after that? This Smash Bros. is already the best, but this would make it better.

Spoiler: "Leak" 10

No long winded spiel of "Blah blah blah, work for Nintendo" or ****, you already know these are happening. I only know 3 characters

Newcomers:

Tapu Koko: It's not Inciniroar. Final Smash is its Z-Move, down B puts electric patches down that work like traps in other games, stepping on one causes daze akin to shield break. VERY fast, about Captain Falcon speed. There are NO alternate costumes of the other Tapus

Isabelle: Not an echo fighter. Works like Phoenix Wright in Marvel where her attacks act like accidents, though she has Villager's dash attack where she trips while carrying something. Final Smash is dropping a leaf which turns into a random village item like a fountain or monkey bars, very short range, akin to Ike's

Echoes:

Medusa: You can ****ing blame Emily Roger for opening her big yap about this. If I'm going down, I'm taking that ***** with me. Echo of Palutena and seriously go **** yourself Emily, god damnit, I told you this **** in confidence and you go yap

Another reference to Emily Roger saying something but there's no source behind it. I'm offering a bounty of fake internet points to whoever can find a source of Emily Roger saying this.

Spoiler: "Leak" 11

Leakfag here. I almost feel bad spoiling this because im sure it will be hype as ****, but no one will believe me anyway so whatever.

Banjo's in, but he's going to pull a simon and also introduce another character no one saw coming. Gruntilda is in.

She is the first smash character with free flight. It's very risk/reward though, its slowish, and any hit to her at all has her tumble straight down off the broom with no recovery, getting stuck in the ground for a second.

Minecraft is also in, but it's just a stage I think and I know at least the creeper is an assist trophy. Basically works as a homing electrode.

That sounds like an interesting concept to Gruntilda, but I'd need to see it in action to believe it. Free flight sounds OP though.

Spoiler: "Leak" 12

I have insider information that told me that there's going to be another Smash Bros. Ultimate focused direct on September 12th. I don't know very much but this is what I have.

2 new echo fighters will be revealed:
38' Shadow
45' Isabelle
{Apparently Sakurai acknowledges the recent number of assist trophies upgraded to fighters this iteration of the game.}

2 Newcomers:
69 Monster Hunter
70 Incineroar
{68: Crono, will be revealed in a Nintendo Direct in late August along with a Guardia Castle stage.}

Stages:
Pac-Maze - Returning
Jungle Hyjnx - Returning
Ancestral Steppe - New
Tapu Ruins - New
{Weird gimmick where all 4 Tapu pokemon are a stage hazard. Players have to summon them somehow when a totem pole appears on the stage. I only know about 2 of them,
Tapu Koko - Electric Surge:
The entire field becomes an electric terrain to where it damages fighters for a period of time.
Tapu Bulu: Grassy Surge
Covers the stage in some kind of green mist and the player who managed to summon get's healed for a duration of time similar to the healing field item.

Modes:
Smash Run {Supports up to 8 players/CPUs, new final battles been added such as stamina battles, you can interact with each other in Smash Run, you can still gain gold, trophies, mystery/custom bags, etc. Can be played online.}
Smash Tour - Basically like Smash 4.

Standard fare, minus Crono, who could be a pretty fun addition. If I had to rank potential SE Reps though, I'd go Geno = Sora > Terra Branford > Agnes Olbige = Lara Croft > Adam Jensen. Again, Smash Tour coming back would be welcome.

Spoiler: "Leak" 13

Hello all. I am a current employee at NoA, and over the past six months (since I first heard about it), I’ve been trying to gather as much information as I can regarding this upcoming Smash Bros. game. It’s been hard, as Kyoto and Reggie have been extremely tight-lipped regarding anything having to do with Ultimate, but I think I’ve gathered enough info for you all to be satisfied.

1. Firstly, Geno, Shadow, and Isabelle are indeed playable. There are no new Kirby, Zelda, Street Fighter, Pac-Man, Mega Man, Final Fantasy, Kid Icarus, Punch-Out!, F-Zero, Earthbound, Pikmin, Metal Gear, or Starfox reps. I have no information on Pokémon.
2. Subspace Emissary is NOT back.
3. Another direct is planned for October and maybe November. (there is currently a discussion on when to announce and show off the new mode and some other stuff). None in September or December.
3. The Masterpieces are returning.
4. Target Smash, Board the Platforms, and Smash Tour are not returning.
5. Spring-Man, the Octolings, Rex and Pyra, and any character from BOTW or SMO will NOT be playable in the base roster or DLC as they are too new. This may change further down the line, but as it stands, they aren’t in.
6. Isaac, Saki Amamiya, Skull Kid, and Dillon will all remain as assist trophies.
7. Rhythm Heaven will be represented in some way, but I wasn’t told how.
8. 3rd party characters Spyro, Travis Touchdown, and Rayman/Rabbids were all considered at one point as DLC but have since been rejected. Crash Bandicoot and Banjo and Kazooie are still being considered for DLC.
9. Shovel Knight is the only indie representation. Shantae and Steve were originally intended to also be in the game, but both were cut.
10. Online mode is still being tweaked, but a full reveal is planned.

Regular stuff. Take a video.

Spoiler: "Leak" 14

>Yes, the new mode is called "Spirits."
>It's basically a shorter and much less exhausting version of the SSE where you take control of certain characters and attempt to free their spirits. Freeing their spirits will unlock said characters.
>Most characters have a random boss attached to it. There are a total of 12 bosses from multiple series like Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Monster Hunter, etc.
>There are CG cutscenes.
>The remaining newcomers are: Paper Mario, Yuri Kozukata from Fatal Frame, Skull Kid from Zelda, Isaac from Golden Sun, Heihachi from Tekken, Shadow as an echo for Sonic, Ken as an echo for Ryu, and Geno. Yuri, Skull Kid, and Isaac are the last three first-party characters while Heihachi, Shadow, Ken, and Geno will be the last third-party characters.
>Paper Mario's Final Smash is a cinematic that plays out in the style of a Paper Mario battle where he will choose an attack and hit the opponent with a lot of theatrics.
>Yuri's Final Smash involves her using the Camera Obscura and achieving a Fatal Frame against those that were targeted.
>Heihachi's is pretty much like Tekken 7, just altered a little bit.
>There is one more newcomer in the game as well. They are a big request so it's up to you to figure out who it is. They are insanely popular, that's all I'll say.
>New Assist Trophies include Fawful, Stallord, Kamek, Bandana Dee, Aran Ryan, Mad King Gangrel from Fire Emblem, Ouse Kurosawa from Fatal Frame, Rayman, Yoshimitsu and Chun-Li, among others
>Some stages left to be revealed are Busted Bayou from Donkey Kong Country, Gargoyle's Perch from Tekken, Mount Hikami from Fatal Frame, Bowser's Castle and some returning ones are Planet Zebes, Icicle Mountain, Poke Floats (with new Pokemon), Jungle Hijinxs, Paper Mario, Mute City, and Rainbow Road

That's all I have for today. I hope you guys like the game. We are working very hard on it. Goodbye.

This is one solid roster. Very nice. Who would you think the "one more newcomer" is?

Spoiler: "Leak" 15

Hello there 4chan.
I am a member of the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate animation studio. As you would expect, we work on the cinematic reveal trailers.
I wanted to reveal a bit of information for you Earthbound fans.
We have been working on a trailer after the reveal of King. K Rool, Simon, and Richter.
The trailer features Mega Man after the Ridley reveal trailer. It will involve Mega Man exploring a laboratory, eventually coming across and being attacked by Pokey Minch, being revealed as the next new fighter.
Sadly, I am not sure how he will play.

Porky is unconventional, but a "leak" like this is easily traceable back to the source. RIP OP.

Spoiler: "Leak" 16

Hello everyone, now I’m sure you’ve seen at least a few Smash Leaks. Now I must say that there is only one leaker so far who was right on everything he leaked, Loz18. Vergeben did however get a few things wrong, for example, he was correct about Decidueye and some other Pokémon not making it into the roster. But Incineroar is NOT the new Pokémon. With that out of the way, I do have information about the game. I did know about Simon, Richter, Chrom, Dark Samus, & King K. Rool. I did not leak them because when I found out they were gonna be revealed along with the other pieces of info in the Direct, there were only about 16 hours until the Direct, no point in it. Now, onto the information.

Story Mode
>The Mystery Mode is indeed titled “Spirits” and is a Story Mode. It was going to be “Subspace Emissary 2” but the title was scrapped due to the Story Mode having nothing to do with Subspace
>Every CGI trailer we’ve seen has teases to the Story. You know, Mario, Mega Man, & Luigi dying. Except for the announcement trailer
>Spirits is, however, a sequel to the Subspace Emissary
>Characters in Brawl do remember the events of Subspace
>The following characters remember the events of Subspace: Villager, Mewtwo, Little Mac, Palutena, Shulk, & Ridley
>The following characters have Voice Actors: Fox, Falco, Marth, Lucina, Roy, Chrom, Pit, Dark Pit, Snake, Ike, Sonic, Wolf, Palutena, Robin, Shulk, Ryu, Cloud, Bayonetta, Simon Belmont, & Richter
>The first unlockable character that joins your party is Meta Knight
>Mario becomes Dr. Mario in some parts of Spirits
>The first cutscene in Spirits starts off with the ending of Subspace, the final battle caused the 1st party universes to merge with the 3rd party universes that aren’t Metal Gear and Sonic the Hedgehog
>all the CGI moments in trailers we see are in fact actual cutscenes in Story Mode
>I do not have information on the big bad
MODES
>Spirits & All Star Mode are the last modes to be revealed
>All Star Mode is the same but the background closely resembles Brawl’s than any other
>The 2nd icon on the dashboard, the only blurred out one, is too check your party in Spirits

ASSIST TROPHIES
>Dixie Kong
>Impa
>Tingle
>Sylux
>Medusa
>Elma
>Wonder Red
>Chun-Li
>Leon S. Kennedy
>Noctis
>Lloyd
>Akira
>Crash Bandicoot

STAGES
>The Monster Hunter Stage is exclusive to Spirits
>If you select Random on Stage Morph, it’ll morph between every Stage
>Stage Builder returns
>Poké Floats
>Minecraft Island
>Bowser’s Castle
>Hano Beach

CHARACTERS
>Sakurai is only focusing on characters who have been requested for years. Rex & Pyra, Decidueye, Spring Man, ect.
>Paper Mario, Chorus Kids, & Heihachi were scrapped
>Ms. Pac Man is a Pac Man alt
>Echo Fighters
>Black Shadow (Captain Falcon)
>Shadow (Sonic)
>Isabelle (Villager)
>Ken (Ryu)
>Octoling (Inkling)

>Shadow could be considered a Semi-Clone of Sonic as 2 of his moves differ from Sonic’s
>Up B is Teleportation
>Standard B is Chaos Sphere
>Final Smash is Super Shadow but he uses Chaos Control before he goes Super

>Unique Fighters
>Geno
>Skull Kid
>Bandana Dee
>Sceptile
>Isaac
>Banjo Kazooie

>I have no word on when the next Nintendo Direct will be

The characters portion of this leak is really confusing, but it's a solid roster overall.

Spoiler: "Leak" 17

>Gardevoir
>Gothitelle (echo of Gardevoir)
>Metal Mario (echo of Mario)
>Elma
>Fiora (echo of Elma)
>Rayman
>Black Shadow (echo of Captain Falcon, has the specials of Ganondorf though)

thoughts?

I almost didn't count this due to low effort. Do you think I should count this one? I'll leave it up to you.

Also, here's the NeoGAF leak in mention:

Spoiler: NeoGAF "leak" Session

It's supposedly an extension to this leak:

Do we know if the first "leak" is actually an extension of the second? Paging Jibblypuff_ because he seems to know more about this than I do.

Okay I admit it.

10# is me.

I made it after I heard about the Emily Rogers **** and tried to see if I could get /v/ to bite.

 

[Will]

The problem with the chairs isn't that they're being speculated over. The problem is that where the **** did Sakurai buy chairs of that color?

 

[Enderwoman]

Demitri Maximoff and JC Denton are literal whos, and the idea of Sakurai and his team doing what they want goes against everything we know about them.

uhh

Darkstalkers and Deus Ex are really popular games

 

[Hinata]

Also, here's the NeoGAF leak in mention:

Spoiler: NeoGAF "leak" Session

It's supposedly an extension to this leak:

Do we know if the first "leak" is actually an extension of the second? Paging Jibblypuff_ because he seems to know more about this than I do.

Why is the NeoGAF leak listed separately from the rest? I've been out of this thread all day, so is there something making it credible?

 

[SpiralGalaxies]

I'm just confused by this recent influx of gothitelle in leaks/speculation?? where did this come from

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Okay I admit it.

10# is me.

I made it after I heard about the Emily Rogers **** and tried to see if I could get /v/ to bite.

Thank you for letting me know. It's been removed.

One of the better ones I've seen though. I give it a solid C+

Why is the NeoGAF leak listed separately from the rest? I've been out of this thread all day, so is there something making it credible?

Essentially it predicted K. Rool and Simon (not difficult) alongside Chrom being an echo fighter of Roy instead of Ike, which gives it a morsel of credibility. The thing is, the "extension" wasn't posted by the same account, and could very well be piggybacking off of the first leak's success.

Did we check to see if the account that posted the original got banned or deleted?

 

[vaanrose]

Oh no, this is Waluigi all over again.

Again, since reading comprehension isn't great around these parts

Why do people keep thinking that's what I'm trying to say, lol. No, she's absolutely 100% an AT.

I'm saying the conditions of her announcement are suspicious in regards to the other missing-but-speculated-to-be-upgraded ATs.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Ok here is a question for you guys (I don't know if it's been asked before)… You know that at the start of the King K Rool trailer we got those great artworks of heroes vs villains (or rivals, whatever) and then it turns off like a TV screen, then we get DK who was watching a TV… was that just a segway, or is the TV a hint that maybe those artworks had something to do with a story mode? I mean… you watch on TV : series, movies, etc… could it be a hint of something? or was it just a segway of the heroes vs villains theme into the King K reveal? I really want to know what you think about this. Or am I thinking too hard about it? lol

Probably just a cool transition but they did mention that classic mode would have characters fighting a specific set of adversaries. So i guess we'll have those iconic battles Samus vs Ridley, DK vs K. Rool, Kirby vs Dedede and so on.

 

[Shroob]

Thank you for letting me know. It's been removed.

One of the better ones I've seen though. I give it a solid C+

Essentially it predicted K. Rool and Simon (not difficult) alongside Chrom being an echo fighter of Roy instead of Ike, which gives it a morsel of credibility. The thing is, the "extension" wasn't posted by the same account, and could very well be piggybacking off of the first leak's success.

Did we check to see if the account that posted the original got banned or deleted?

Yeah, I didn't put a lot of effort into it, just wanted to see if I could get any reaction.... which probably would have actually gone somewhere if someone had been able to actually source this Medusa claim.

 

[Mutsukki]

A deep read is thinking the two chairs behind Sakurai meant anything.

Not what I said which could be a joke sure, but it could also be a cliff-hanger.

Sakurai HAS implemented and used cliff hangers before. See Dark Pit.

Are you really comparing it to Dark Pit, who was literally there and confirmed that he was going to "crash the party"? This is absolutely nothing alike.