Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Too bad for you that it isn't how that works.

Meh

I see you missed the word "scope".

What time do you all predict Smash for Switch will be announced? If it is announced the Smash community is going to get wild.

Absolute best case scenario would be E3 next year but I think 2019 is more likely.

 

[Dragoncharystary]

What time do you all predict Smash for Switch will be announced? If it is announced the Smash community is going to get wild.

That depends on whether it's a port or a new game. For a port I'd say anytime between the upcoming direct in January and E3 2018. If after E3 a port's not announced, then I'd say the window would close on that. I'd say Smash 5 would be announced anytime after Q4 2018.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

How would everyone react if ARMS got two characters?

Spring Man, and Ribbon Girl as a clone of Spring Man.

I'm half-expecting this to be the case, but I think Spring Man has the most priority if we're gonna see ARMS gets a playable character in future Smash Bros games. If so, I can imagine Spring Man would be the one who would have better ground mobility and power at the cost of speed, where as the reverse is true for Ribbon Girl, lighter in the air and quicker, but weaker attack.

What cuts are all of you worried about the most?

With Smash Wii U/3DS having such an incredible roster...an incredible, large roster. There may be some faces we don’t see returning to the fray.

I’ll break this down into 3 categories.

Worst Comes To Worst (7-10 cuts)

Most Likely (4-6 cuts)

Wishful Thinking (0-3 cuts)

I’ll go first.

Worst Comes To Worst: Cloud, Ryu, Corrin, Lucas, Roy, Mewtwo, Lucina, Dark Pit, Dr. Mario.

Most Likely: Cloud, Ryu, Lucina, Dark Pit, Dr. Mario.

Wishful Thinking: No one.

I was just thinking to myself that the DLC and 3rd Parties may not come back. Especially the ones that fall under both categories. I’d hate to see anyone go really.

I hate cuts in general - Especially if they're MVCI-tier and cut out several fan-favourites and leave the bare minimum with hardly anything new.

I'd rather not talk about who I want gone from the roster cause it'd upset quite a few people, myself included, but I'd say Dark Pit is probably the most likely to get cut, mainly because he's one of the least different clones introduced in Smash. If you ask me, I'd prefer a re-tool of Smash 4 clones, but keep some things for these characters intact like basic normals or mechanically similar Specials with different weapons or abilities being used.

 

[MistressRemilia]

So i didn't really know where to post this, but since i'm guessing this acts as a General thread for Smash Switch, so i'll just post this subject right here: Are you hopeful for this game's solo content, or would you rather not get your hopes up in case of dissapointment?

I've always felt like Smash had endless potential for excellent solo content, given that it's a crossover from so many franchises, it could borrow so many little gimmicks from each series as a means of creating something great. That's what Smash does in concept, but it could apply that concept for its solo content: We've seen party games with RPG elements a la Dokapon Kingdom, we've seen RTS Gameplay in a Game's Adventure with SoulCalibur III ( While talking about SoulCalibur, Weapon Master is essentially an Event Mode with Story Elements to them, and free to choose characters with purchasable weapons ). So yeah, Smash doesn't need to be just a Beat them All game or a semi linear adventure one. I feel with both Subspace's Stickers, or Smash Tour, that there was potential for more, but unfortunately, that didn't happen.

 

[NintenRob]

https://smashboards.com/threads/a-breakdown-of-nintendo-since-smash-wii-u-whats-new.452153/

To update on my Breakdown, Pac-Man now has championship edition 2+ coming to switch.

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

https://smashboards.com/threads/a-breakdown-of-nintendo-since-smash-wii-u-whats-new.452153/

To update on my Breakdown, Pac-Man now has championship edition 2+ coming to switch.

Great effort, thanks!

What are your thoughts on a Yokai Watch character?

 

[NintenRob]

Great effort, thanks!

What are your thoughts on a Yokai Watch character?

Possible but unlikely imo. Doesn't have enough of a legacy yet as third parties into.

 

[IronTed]

Yokai Watch seems like a pipe dream to be honest. Especially with how much it has declined over the past year or so.

 

[ssbashworld]

Cuts:
Worst Case: Falco, Dr. Mario, Roy, Ike, Lucas, Lucario, ROB, Toon Link, Lucina, Dark Pit, Duck Hunt, Cloud

Most Likely: Dr. Mario, Roy, Lucas, Lucina, Cloud

Wishful Thinking: None (Other than people who think clones take up spots for unique fighters I do not see how anyone can wishfully think for cuts.)

 

[Aurane]

@GoldenYuiitusin on Incineroar for Smash, I meantioned that he needs to piss fire. Got another have-to for him.

He has to run exactly like this.

At this point, Incineroar is already a joke character. Lol

 

[Opossum]

@GoldenYuiitusin on Incineroar for Smash, I meantioned that he needs to piss fire. Got another have-to for him.

He has no run exactly like this.

At this point, Incineroar is already a joke character. Lol

That is an incredibly awkward run cycle.

 

[Aurane]

That is an incredibly awkward run cycle.

Awkwardly perfect run cycle.

 

[Deleted member]

@GoldenYuiitusin on Incineroar for Smash, I meantioned that he needs to piss fire. Got another have-to for him.

He has to run exactly like this.

At this point, Incineroar is already a joke character. Lol

Whiners: "WHY NO QUADRUPED?!"

Pokémon: "Here you go. "

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Ironically, Incineroar is mostly bipedal, just like all the other fully evolved Fire-type starters.

 

[Aurane]

Incineroar running on four instead of two isn't anything new. Typhlosion does it too.

With stubby legs like those, I guess I should of expected it. Still, they really should of, erm, gave it a test preview. He looks like a man running on four in his fursona.

Still hilarious though. I'm glad they stuck with it.

 

[Deleted member]

Incineroar running on four instead of two isn't anything new. Typhlosion does it too.

With stubby legs like those, I guess I should of expected it. Still, they really should of, erm, gave it a test preview. He looks like a man running on four in his fursona.

Still hilarious though. I'm glad they stuck with it.

It's still a bit jarring when considering the unused running animation in Sun/Moon has Incineroar run on two legs as opposed to on all fours.

And even more jarring is that instead of going with a run like a big cat would, they went with how a gorilla would run.
So is Incineroar part ape?

 

[Cosmic77]

Hey everyone, I'm new here. Well...sort of. I first found this site way back in 2013. I've been creeping through the forums from time to time, but I never actually joined until now. It's a shame too, because I missed out on a lot of good speculation and excitement back then (Although it's probably good I missed out on those Ridley debates. I wouldn't have lasted long on this site if I got into it with another user over the whole "He's too big and Sakurai already said 'no'," argument). Better late than never I suppose.

@GoldenYuiitusin on Incineroar for Smash, I meantioned that he needs to piss fire. Got another have-to for him.

He has to run exactly like this.

At this point, Incineroar is already a joke character. Lol

I don't know. I think I could learn to love it (Regardless of how weird it looks).

 

[Aurane]

I don't know. I think I could learn to love it (Regardless of how weird it looks).

Hey I'm not saying I don't like it. Fact being- I love it. Like, I'm 100% real on that. Its the goofiest thing next to its fire spin attack.

 

[Deleted member]

Hey I'm not saying I don't like it. Fact being- I love it. Like, I'm 100% real on that. Its the goofiest thing next to its fire spin attack.

Or Flamethrower, which is more like a beam in the movie.

CROTCH BEAM

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Or Flamethrower, which is more like a beam in the movie.

CROTCH BEAM

At this point, Incineroar should be the lethal joke character

 

[Deleted member]

At this point, Incineroar should be the lethal joke character

Somewhere, Jigglypuff mains are screaming internally.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Somewhere, Jigglypuff mains are screaming internally.

You know what they say, BuffThePuff.

Also, playing a bit more Quest 64 should help me think up some nice ideas for a moveset/gimmick for Brian. Issue I'm having is making the moves translate well(considering spells have 2 or 3 level upgrades overall...).

 

[NintenRob]

If incineroar got in, I might cry.

And they won't be tears of joy

 

[Mythra]

Darkest Lariat would be a perfect and hilarious Side+B.

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Yokai Watch seems like a pipe dream to be honest. Especially with how much it has declined over the past year or so.

Yes it seems to have petered out compared to other IPs.

 

[Aurane]

If incineroar got in, I might cry.

And they won't be tears of joy

At this point, Incineroar should be the lethal joke character

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING! *shakes phone vigorously*

Alright, I'm gonna stop now before I get into trouble. Lol

 

[Zerp]

What time do you all predict Smash for Switch will be announced? If it is announced the Smash community is going to get wild.

I'm going to go with this coming January, it's not exactly the most rational time to expect it but it just feels like the right time to me.

Somewhere, Jigglypuff mains are screaming internally.

I swear if Incineroar got in and was a lethal joke character I'd...

...congratulate Incineroar's new mains on getting their character in Smash and also managing to not get butchered by the joke status.

 

[Deleted member]

I hope in Smash for Switch they buff Falco for him to be like Melee Falco. I miss Melee Falco, oh well.

Somewhere, Jigglypuff mains are screaming internally.

Puff is the joke character, even more than Little Mac. Good point.

You know what they say, BuffThePuff.

Also, playing a bit more Quest 64 should help me think up some nice ideas for a moveset/gimmick for Brian. Issue I'm having is making the moves translate well(considering spells have 2 or 3 level upgrades overall...).

A moveset would be pretty interesting for Brain, I would like to see. Continue your research if you want to, you got me hooked.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

A moveset would be pretty interesting for Brain, I would like to see. Continue your research if you want to, you got me hooked.

I made a moveset a very long time ago, but it lacked balance. It was just basically a simple "okay, just slap it on" kind of deal. Only neat thing was the Final Smash, which had you hold the D-Pad/Control Stick in one direction and use that related element(Up/Fire, Left/Earth, Down/Water, Right/Wind) for an ultimate attack of sorts. Extinction was for Fire(which either did immense damage or knocked a stock off of the enemy, whichever would not remove all their stocks), Magic Barrier for Earth(made you immune to all the non-physical attacks for a short while), Healing Lv 2 for Water(restored a huge amount of percentage), and Ultimate Wind(dealt unblockable damage, unless you got that shield up just then, and it could nearly break it as is, which wasn't the highest damage count ever, but extremely effective in hitting an enemy). I think there might've been technically 8 possible ones, depending if you were over or under 100%? I don't remember.

Anyway, most of it was some spells becoming stronger if you held the button down or not. Like how you can charge Smash attacks, essentially. That said, I do have a Brian support topic, and it's available in the Smash directory. I'm still looking for suggestions on how to handle a unique gimmick. My biggest thought was an Magic Point-related one. Not exactly like Robin's, but moreso that it increases your attacks' strengths, but also you can't actually do things like full charges without MP alone. Thus, you need to actually take smaller shots to charge up for your best stuff. Not sure it would work well, though.

 

[Deleted member]

Darkest Lariat would be a perfect and hilarious Side+B.

Can Incineroar mysteriously grow a sophisticated outfit to rip apart each time it does the move?

Spoiler

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[TimonBoyd]

It would be cool if each character can have their own story mode.

With their own dialogue interacting with each fighter not like classic mode with random fights but something with adventure to it & have their own cut-scene at the end as a suggestion.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Puff is the joke character, even more than Little Mac. Good point.

Last I've checked, Little Mac isn't even considered a joke character, especially if he goes all Giga Mac on you,

 

[Cosmic77]

I'd prefer getting a non-starter Pokemon, but I wouldn't complain if Incineroar was added. Creating a moveset for him doesn't seem all too difficult, and the fact that Ash's Litten seems to be the starter that will get the most character development in the anime (and isn't burdened by the status of being the comic relief starter that we always seem to get now) certainly doesn't hurt his chances either. He's got a genuine shot of making the cut and the potential to be a great character.

Can Incineroar mysteriously grow a sophisticated outfit to rip apart each time it does the move?

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EDIT: Large image

Well, ain't that just a glorious way to start my day. Thanks for that.

 

[Deleted member]

Yokai Watch seems like a pipe dream to be honest. Especially with how much it has declined over the past year or so.

Ideally, I still think it has a shot, but the popularity of Yo-Kai Watch has taken it from "national craze" to "niche" in Japan. It still has some popularity, but not enough to justify a Smash Bros. playable appearance.

Though I will support Jibanyan getting in regardless.

 

[Deleted member]

Last I've checked, Little Mac isn't even considered a joke character, especially if he goes all Giga Mac on you,

Keep in mind that a skilled player who is great at gimping can destroy any Little Mac who is unaware and not careful. A skilled Little Mac can ruin anyone's day though; especially the low tiers.

Can Incineroar mysteriously grow a sophisticated outfit to rip apart each time it does the move?

Spoiler

EDIT: Large image

Masterpiece, this should be put up in a museum. I enjoyed it; it made my day!

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Keep in mind that a skilled player who is great at gimping can destroy any Little Mac who is unaware and not careful. A skilled Little Mac can ruin anyone's day though; especially the low tiers.

It doesn't exactly help knowing that Little Mac has one of the worst (if not THE worst) recoveries out there.

 

[Dragoncharystary]

I'm going to go with this coming January, it's not exactly the most rational time to expect it but it just feels like the right time to me.

Well it seems very likely there's going to be a direct coming in January so let's hope your right.

 

[Cosmic77]

So I have a challenge for everyone. Let's say that you were in charge of cutting five characters from the next Smash game. Here's the catch - none of the characters can be Smash 4 newcomers. Who would you cut and why?

If it were up to me, I'd probably cut...

: He's a clone character and not incredibly important to the Mario series. I'd like to think that dropping the Doc wouldn't be nearly as devastating as it would be with the more unique Mario characters.

: Roy is actually my second choice when it comes to cutting FE characters. However, since he's a semi-clone and the FE franchise already has 5 other characters (and will undoubtedly receive more in the future), I think he's more dispensable compared to the others.

: No character has ever gotten cut for a lack of popularity, and I certainly don't think R.O.B. will ever be seriously considered as a potential cut in the future. Still, most of the veterans on the roster seem far too important to cut. Due to a lack of options, I'm forced to drop this lovable piece of Nintendo history from the roster.

: This was the hardest one for me to choose. To be blunt, EarthBound will NEVER get another character unless Nintendo finally does something with the series. I really don't want to ditch one of the only two EarthBound characters that Smash will ever get, but Lucas just isn't nearly as important as the other guys.

/: Pokémon already has a hefty number of characters, so I think it can afford to take a hit. Neither of these two deserve to be cut, but Pikachu, Charizard, and Lucario are just so much more prominent. I would've liked to have picked Greninja, but the rules prevented me from doing so. At the end of the day, I have to choose what's more important to me. Do I keep the classic yet irrelevant character that's been here since the beginning, or side with the iconic Pokémon that's garnered a decent amount of fans from both it's own franchise and the Smash games?

 

[UserKev]

Haha R.O.B will never be cut, especially with its significance in Brawl. If you state it as even likely otherwise, its because you probably have something against the character.

R.O.B is completely unique, physically and emotionally.

 

[Opossum]

So I have a challenge for everyone. Let's say that you were in charge of cutting five characters from the next Smash game. Here's the catch - none of the characters can be Smash 4 newcomers. Who would you cut and why?

If it were up to me, I'd probably cut...

: He's a clone character and not incredibly important to the Mario series. I'd like to think that dropping the Doc wouldn't be nearly as devastating as it would be with the more unique Mario characters.

: Roy is actually my second choice when it comes to cutting FE characters. However, since he's a semi-clone and the FE franchise already has 5 other characters (and will undoubtedly receive more in the future), I think he's more dispensable compared to the others.

: No character has ever gotten cut for a lack of popularity, and I certainly don't think R.O.B. will ever be seriously considered as a potential cut in the future. Still, most of the veterans on the roster seem far too important to cut. Due to a lack of options, I'm forced to drop this lovable piece of Nintendo history from the roster.

: This was the hardest one for me to choose. To be blunt, EarthBound will NEVER get another character unless Nintendo finally does something with the series. I really don't want to ditch one of the only two EarthBound characters that Smash will ever get, but Lucas just isn't nearly as important as the other guys.

/: Pokémon already has a hefty number of characters, so I think it can afford to take a hit. Neither of these two deserve to be cut, but Pikachu, Charizard, and Lucario are just so much more prominent. I would've liked to have picked Greninja, but the rules prevented me from doing so. At the end of the day, I have to choose what's more important to me. Do I keep the classic yet irrelevant character that's been here since the beginning, or side with the iconic Pokémon that's garnered a decent amount of fans from both it's own franchise and the Smash games?

Hoo boy, that's tough.


These three have good odds of being cut in general, IMO.

And if I had to go further...

Naturally these two would never be cut, but if it were up to me, I'd want to cut them before anyone else, since they're already present on the roster as Zelda and Samus.

Haha R.O.B will never be cut, especially with its significance in Brawl. If you state it as even likely otherwise, its because you probably have something against the character.

R.O.B is completely unique, physically and emotionally.

The challenge had nothing to do with likelihood though.