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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Thing about Mario characters is, Mario doesn't have a well-defined fanbase that Nintendo needs to work to attract. It's way more nebulous so the benefit of adding a new Mario character is going to be much more uncertain compared to Metroid or Star Fox or Fire Emblem.
 

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In that case, they might as well make a fighting game dedicated to the Mario(and Donkey Kong) series only.
An ACTUAL Mario vs Donkey Kong you mean? Where you can of course play as the Kongs as well!? Am. ****ing. Sold!
 
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Wild Link as a fully fledged newcomer is a concept I have despised since its inception.
I've still yet to pick up a Switch so I don't have BoTW, but I do not think we need a third Link in the game (Fourth in total if we count Yink), and I'm against the concept of cutting Tink because he represents something much bigger than just one game (Both the Toon portion of the series as well as a younger Link).
And lol cutting regular Link for him? What the ****? Link is literally one of the most iconic Nintendo characters and has literally been in Smash forever. Replacing him with a far less iconic version of him because "muh moveset" is just plain stupid, he should be an alternate costume at best. That, and I like his current moveset... a lot. He's one of my secondaries actually.
I'm not versed in Zelda (Only played Four Swords and ALBW) but I think I'd prefer a character that isn't Link, Zelda or Ganondorf if Zelda gets a newcomer.
 

Bowserlick

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Toon Link and Link have similar movesets.

Two Links with different movesets is more inspirational than two Links with very similar movesets.

I propose either:
1. Breath of Wild elements incorporated into an overhaul of Link
2. Breath of Wild Link full out replacing either Link or Toon Link
 
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So, I have a friend working on smash for the switch, and he just told me that they are done choosing characters. he said the game is not in anything past pre-production, and they cracked down on pictures because of leaks for smash 4, so no pics. but I do have a list of characters.

NEWCOMERS

  • Waluigi
  • Geno from mario rpg
  • paper mario
  • Tingle
  • Tetra
  • Decidueye
  • inkling boy and girl as one character
  • Bandanna dee
  • king k rool
  • cranky kong
  • chibi robo
  • bomberman
  • wonder red
REMOVED FIGHTERS
  • wii fit trainer
  • bayonetta
RETURNING REMOVED FIGHTERS
  • Ice Climbers
  • wolf
Side note, they already decided that they are going to rework ganondorf
This account will be banned in 3, 2, 1...

Toon Link and Link have similar movesets.

Two Links with different movesets is more inspirational than two Links with very similar movesets.

I propose either:
1. Breath of Wild elements incorporated into an overhaul of Link
2. Breath of Wild Link full out replacing either Link or Toon Link
Link can't be reworked due to being in the original Smash and Toon Link is beloved and easy to work with. Here's my proposal: Don't bother doing something to try and represent an entire game when you don't know if it's a one time game mechanic or the next staple of the series. I'm not even opposed to the moveset idea, just don't make it Link
 

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Link can't be reworked due to being in the original Smash and Toon Link is beloved and easy to work with. Here's my proposal: Don't bother doing something to try and represent an entire game when you don't know if it's a one time game mechanic or the next staple of the series. I'm not even opposed to the moveset idea, just don't make it Link
The originals were reworked for Melee. New moves & new smashes in some cases.

If the argument is "inspirational-based" as some were making than two Links with different movesets is more creative than two Links with similar movesets.
 

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The originals were reworked for Melee. New moves & new smashes in some cases.

If the argument is "inspirational-based" as some were making than two Links with different movesets is more creative than two Links with similar movesets.
Melee added new moves because it added an extra move for every character. You know damn well I'm referring to a complete rework luke you're talking about

Toon Link was added as a last minute clone, we can tell as he's unlockable post SSE like Wolf and Jigglypuff. Your idea is "Let's add this guy to represent an entire game about exploration and kick the others out". Toon Link's cartoony look and behaviour is part of what makes him popular alongside his games. Those are mostly good games all getting ignored because "I like this idea, **** people who liked that guy" in your scenario
 
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So, I have a friend working on smash for the switch, and he just told me that they are done choosing characters. he said the game is not in anything past pre-production, and they cracked down on pictures because of leaks for smash 4, so no pics. but I do have a list of characters.

NEWCOMERS

  • Waluigi
  • Geno from mario rpg
  • paper mario
  • Tingle
  • Tetra
  • Decidueye
  • inkling boy and girl as one character
  • Bandanna dee
  • king k rool
  • cranky kong
  • chibi robo
  • bomberman
  • wonder red
REMOVED FIGHTERS
  • wii fit trainer
  • bayonetta
RETURNING REMOVED FIGHTERS
  • Ice Climbers
  • wolf
Side note, they already decided that they are going to rework ganondorf
Huh, haven't had a fake leak in a while.
Thanks. :p
 

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Melee added new moves because it added an extra move for every character. You know damn well I'm referring to a complete rework luke you're talking about

Toon Link was added as a last minute clone, we can tell as he's unlockable post SSE like Wolf and Jigglypuff. Your idea is "Let's add this guy to represent an entire game about exploration and kick the others out". Toon Link's cartoony look and behaviour is part of what makes him popular alongside his games. Those are mostly good games all getting ignored because "I like this idea, **** people who liked that guy" in your scenario
Melee changed smashes and attacks for certain characters. All of Captain Falcon's smashes are different.

Even a stamina wheel addition to Link, allowing him speed up certain movements would be beneficial.
 

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So, I have a friend working on smash for the switch, and he just told me that they are done choosing characters. he said the game is not in anything past pre-production, and they cracked down on pictures because of leaks for smash 4, so no pics. but I do have a list of characters.

NEWCOMERS

  • Waluigi
  • Geno from mario rpg
  • paper mario
  • Tingle
  • Tetra
  • Decidueye
  • inkling boy and girl as one character
  • Bandanna dee
  • king k rool
  • cranky kong
  • chibi robo
  • bomberman
  • wonder red
REMOVED FIGHTERS
  • wii fit trainer
  • bayonetta
RETURNING REMOVED FIGHTERS
  • Ice Climbers
  • wolf
Side note, they already decided that they are going to rework ganondorf
im glad they cracked down on pictures, it was pretty strange and careless that they allowed those leakers to leak stuff last time.

Especially pre-production pictures, because that’s how development works.

Its good they’re getting rid of WFT though, I personally didn’t like her either and that’s reason enough to give her the axe, amirite?
 
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Melee changed smashes and attacks for certain characters. All of Captain Falcon's smashes are different.

Even a stamina wheel addition to Link, allowing him speed up certain movements would be beneficial.
That's completely different. Changing a few moves isn't changing the entire character

That's a different argument all together, though it doesn't really fit Link's zoning and campy playstyle that well imo
 
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So, I have a friend working on smash for the switch, and he just told me that they are done choosing characters. he said the game is not in anything past pre-production, and they cracked down on pictures because of leaks for smash 4, so no pics. but I do have a list of characters.

NEWCOMERS

  • Waluigi
  • Geno from mario rpg
  • paper mario
  • Tingle
  • Tetra
  • Decidueye
  • inkling boy and girl as one character
  • Bandanna dee
  • king k rool
  • cranky kong
  • chibi robo
  • bomberman
  • wonder red
REMOVED FIGHTERS
  • wii fit trainer
  • bayonetta
RETURNING REMOVED FIGHTERS
  • Ice Climbers
  • wolf
Side note, they already decided that they are going to rework ganondorf
The character selection of this (most certainly fake) leak looks like wishful thinking to me.
Side note, they already decided that they are going to rework ganondorf

Yeah, right.
 
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When people unironically suggest a character whose entire gimmick is literally that they are physically incapable of jumping should be/is likely to be a playable fighter in Smash:

 

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When people unironically suggest a character whose entire gimmick is literally that they are physically incapable of jumping should be/is likely to be a playable fighter in Smash:

Just have a small mushroom appear beneath him with each jump, with him springing off it like countless ones throughout the series. Just have the "jump" height be really small.


No need for such arrogance.
 

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So, I have a friend working on smash for the switch, and he just told me that they are done choosing characters. he said the game is not in anything past pre-production, and they cracked down on pictures because of leaks for smash 4, so no pics. but I do have a list of characters.

NEWCOMERS

  • Waluigi
  • Geno from mario rpg
  • paper mario
  • Tingle
  • Tetra
  • Decidueye
  • inkling boy and girl as one character
  • Bandanna dee
  • king k rool
  • cranky kong
  • chibi robo
  • bomberman
  • wonder red
REMOVED FIGHTERS
  • wii fit trainer
  • bayonetta
RETURNING REMOVED FIGHTERS
  • Ice Climbers
  • wolf
Side note, they already decided that they are going to rework ganondorf
Not going to believe this fot a second. Please don't pretend to know the roster and fool the guilable into believing you.

PS if ur actually right, I wil literally eat my own words.
 

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An ACTUAL Mario vs Donkey Kong you mean? Where you can of course play as the Kongs as well!? Am. ****ing. Sold!
Well, I actually meant that separately.

A brawler based on Super Mario Bros.

A brawler based on Donkey Kong Country.

Traditional, Arena, Platform, Beat 'em Up, whatever. All works.

Hmmm... why not all of the above?
 

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Waluigi is not going to be in Smash. They already exhausted his moveset potential with just his assist trophy. There isn't much more to him than that.

Cranky isn't going to be playable either. The only Kong that's going to be playable is Funky Kong and I know this for a fact because my uncle works for Blizzard.
 
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Waluigi is not going to be in Smash. They already exhausted his moveset potential with just his assist trophy. There isn't much more to him than that.

Cranky isn't going to be playable either. The only Kong that's going to be playable is Funky Kong and I know this for a fact because my uncle works for Blizzard.
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Blatant ****posting is not encouraged.
 

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Realistically, Funky Kong wouldn't exactly work well as a playable fighter, since based on his bio, he's not very fond of adventuring, and would rather aid others on their journey.
 

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An ACTUAL Mario vs Donkey Kong you mean? Where you can of course play as the Kongs as well!? Am. ****ing. Sold!
I like the idea of a Mario Smash game with only Marioverse characters.

  1. Ashley
  2. Baby Mario & Baby Luigi
  3. Birdo
  4. Bowser
  5. Bowser Jr. / Koopalings
  6. Captain Syrup
  7. Captain Toad / Toad Brigade
  8. Cat Peach
  9. Cranky Kong
  10. Daisy
  11. Diddy Kong
  12. Dixie Kong
  13. Donkey Kong
  14. Donkey Kong Jr.
  15. Dr. Mario
  16. Dry Bowser
  17. Fawful
  18. Geno
  19. Kamek
  20. King Boo
  21. King K. Rool
  22. Koopa Troopa
  23. Lanky Kong
  24. Luigi
  25. Mallow
  26. Mario
  27. Nabbit
  28. Overalls Wario (aka “Wario Land” Wario)
  29. Paper Mario
  30. Pauline
  31. Peach
  32. Petey Piranha
  33. Professor E. Gadd (with the Poltergust 3000)
  34. Rosalina & Luma
  35. Shadow Mario (with the Magic Paintbrush)
  36. Shy Guy
  37. Stanley
  38. Tanooki Mario
  39. Toad / Toadette
  40. Waluigi
  41. Wario
  42. Yoshi
 

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About tbe BOW Link discussion...

Breath of the Wild Link is a one specific Link that's definitely a one time only. Smash has had many incarnations of Link, twice Hero Of Times Link with Melee & 64 and Young Link, Twilight Hero Link twice with Brawl and Smash 4. Toon Link being from Wind Waker in both Brawl and Smash 4. Breath of the Wild Link as his own character with a complete moveset revamp I honestly dislike.

And having him as regular Link also doesn't really work, since he has no Boomerang similar to Smash Link, no Claw Shot, the Master Sword doesn't function like in Smash and would be heavily nerfed, then what would really make him a functional character? Way too gimicky for my taste.

Smash 4 Link is finally somewhat reasonable to play as. Link has been a mediocre character in most other Smash games. He needs a few revamps and buffs and he's fine. A total overhaul just for one game is too much and takes him out of character. It's not the same gameplay he can offer as before. And I just don't see the merrit as his own inclusion or for the removal of highly popular Toon Link, who's an overall easy addition.

This is also why I think Impa could take an attack from the Sheikah Slate without using the Slate but as a magical attack, or a projectile energy move representing the Bombs used in BOTW, as it's ancient Sheikah magic after all. If Sakurai can take the creative liberty to make Twilight Princess Zelda Transform into Sheik, this can also work. This way Impa's role gets expanded upon as a warrior monk with ancient magic and gets to represent some parts of BOTW like Zelda did with OOT and her Goddess spells.

In short, Impa is the best choice for a new Zelda character.
 

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About tbe BOW Link discussion...

Breath of the Wild Link is a one specific Link that's definitely a one time only. Smash has had many incarnations of Link, twice Hero Of Times Link with Melee & 64 and Young Link, Twilight Hero Link twice with Brawl and Smash 4. Toon Link being from Wind Waker in both Brawl and Smash 4. Breath of the Wild Link as his own character with a complete moveset revamp I honestly dislike.

And having him as regular Link also doesn't really work, since he has no Boomerang similar to Smash Link, no Claw Shot, the Master Sword doesn't function like in Smash and would be heavily nerfed, then what would really make him a functional character? Way too gimicky for my taste.

Smash 4 Link is finally somewhat reasonable to play as. Link has been a mediocre character in most other Smash games. He needs a few revamps and buffs and he's fine. A total overhaul just for one game is too much and takes him out of character. It's not the same gameplay he can offer as before. And I just don't see the merrit as his own inclusion or for the removal of highly popular Toon Link, who's an overall easy addition.

This is also why I think Impa could take an attack from the Sheikah Slate without using the Slate but as a magical attack, or a projectile energy move representing the Bombs used in BOTW, as it's ancient Sheikah magic after all. If Sakurai can take the creative liberty to make Twilight Princess Zelda Transform into Sheik, this can also work. This way Impa's role gets expanded upon as a warrior monk with ancient magic and gets to represent some parts of BOTW like Zelda did with OOT and her Goddess spells.

In short, Impa is the best choice for a new Zelda character.
Impa just feels a little redundant to me when we already have Sheik. She would be a great adition and all, but I Would rather Tingle personally in my biased and worthless opinion. I know that Impa has appeared in more games but she only has 3 roles where she actually does anything interrsting, being OoT, Skyward Sword and Hyrule warriors. Tingle has also only ever had 3 good roles on the whole series (unless he is in a game i have yet to play) and i just think his moveset could be really wacky and fun. Obvioisly involving his baloon, fairy dust, and even crazy shenanigans with the tingle tuner like walking on air and spawning in bombs and rupees at obsurd locations.
 
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Realistically, Falco prefers the air.
....not exactly a fair comparison.

If anything, a better counterpoint to make would be that participating in a Smash fight isn't the same thing as "adventuring" and we've seen Funky participate in other competitions such as kart/bike/rocket barrel racing and baseball. /shrug
 

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I gotta say...

It really annoys me that people get so cringed at the possibility of :younglinkmelee: returning to Smash because of :4tlink: but then go on to get excited at the prospect of BoTW Link or SMO Mario being added as potential newcomers.

This is the frustrations of a YLink supporter I guess. :upsidedown:
 
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I gotta say...

It really annoys me that people get so cringed at the possibility of :younglinkmelee: returning to Smash because of :4tlink: but then go on to get excited at the prospect of BoTW Link or SMO Mario being added as potential newcomers.

This is the frustrations of a YLink supporter I guess. :upsidedown:
Well, you are wishing for Link, semi-clone Toon Link, semi-clone Young Link, while the ones that irk you want Link, new moveset Link & possibly semi-clone Toon Link.
 
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Well, you are wishing for Link, semi-clone Toon Link, semi-clone Young Link, while the ones that irk you want Link, new moveset Link & possibly semi-clone Toon Link.
Not at all considering all the neat moveset potential YLink could bring from MM.

BoTW Link would literally be another adult Link which is what people complain YLink is to TLink. That isn't to say that he can't have unique moveset potential of course.
 

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I can because of Captain Toad. And I remember Paper Mario scoring relatively high on fan base poll results when the ballot was still running.
I like the idea of Paper Mario. I would claim he's my choice for a new Mario rep but, its realistically unlikely. Sakurai sees the Paper Mario series as a one time thing.

As much as I disagree, we're getting Captain Toad.
 
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Even with a new and different moveset I simply don't want three Links (or more, for that matter) on the roster. The current two are enough and I don't think the main one needs a complete overhaul. Admittedly I'm probably biased towards Toon Link's inclusion, so I wouldn't want him to go either, but if he did, then I might be fine with them including one of the others, if still feeling very conflicted about the whole thing.....

A BotW-type Link and and a mask-using Young Link are both fine ideas, but I just wouldn't want either of them getting in alongside what we have already, nor would I be fully satisfied with one of them getting in place of the current two.
 

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I wouldn't mind a few aesthetic changes to Link. His bombs especially. But there's not much to do, and he already represents the majority of Zelda games just fine as he is. An overhaul or new adult Link feels unnecessary. A costume would be neat, though, maybe use it as an excuse to give him a full 16 as well? They could redesign his normal Shield(that uses the button) to look like Daruk's Protection. Maybe throw in Revali's Gale as a variation of one of his Up B's or just some of the animation. ...I don't remember the other two abilities, won't lie. Might be because the other two are heavily used more?

Zelda definitely should have her BOTW outfit, that said. And I wouldn't mind that voice, or for that matter, the personality.
 

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I will admit though that I always sort of thought that they missed out on some opportunities to incorporate some of Toon Link's unique items into his moveset.

I wouldn't mind if they changed his specials to make use of items like, say, the Skull Hammer or the Deku Leaf.

I still think Toon Link is fine as he is now, but that too would've been pretty neat, imo.
 

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....not exactly a fair comparison.

If anything, a better counterpoint to make would be that participating in a Smash fight isn't the same thing as "adventuring" and we've seen Funky participate in other competitions such as kart/bike/rocket barrel racing and baseball. /shrug
Why not? Falco may have been an established fighter pilot who prefers aerial combat, but Smash sees him largely as a hand-to-hand pugilist, who, when opting to use a vehicle, pilots a tank. And the reason for that is obviously so it would fit the framework of Fox, but I think the same can largely be said of Funky, who, should he be included, would most likely emulate DK. Often times powers in Smash eschew their typical functionality in the series of origin, my point is that some established characteristics do as well for the sake of the roster.

I also agree with your point though, Smash isn't really an "adventure" anyway, it's a fight. A fake fight among toys, if you want to justify it as Nintendo does. And if there's an adventure mode... just have him be reluctant. I'll again refer to Falco...


Adventurer or not, Funky's not a pacifist... dude likes competition and builds weapons...
 
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If Ganondorf can't have Dead Man's Volley or his sword in anything more than a victory pose, a taunt and an unlockable via rng move then I can't ever see Yink coming back with anything from MM that he didn't already have. Roy got brought back and while a number of his moves do now have unique animations, he still has Marth's dtilt, nair, throws, side special, I'd say down special but a third of the cast has a down b counter and he has Ike's ****ing dair.

Gotta keep things the same for 'traditions sake' even if it does the character no justice when comparing them to their games.
 
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Why not? Falco may have been an established fighter pilot who prefers aerial combat, but Smash sees him largely as a hand-to-hand pugilist, who, when opting to use a vehicle, pilots a tank. And the reason for that is obviously so it would fit the framework of Fox, but I think the same can largely be said of Funky, who, should he be included, would most likely emulate DK. Often times powers in Smash eschew their typical functionality in the series of origin, my point is that some established characteristics do as well for the sake of the roster.

I also agree with your point though, Smash isn't really an "adventure" anyway, it's a fight. A fake fight among toys, if you want to justify it as Nintendo does. And if there's an adventure mode... just have him be reluctant. I'll again refer to Falco...


Adventurer or not, Funky's not a pacifist... dude likes competition and builds weapons...
But the idea of Funky not being playable because "he dislikes adventuring" isn't quite comparable to Falco's lament that he's forced to use a Landmaster when he "prefers the air".

Pretending Smash is an adventure-based game for the sake of giving M&SGuy's statement relevance, the former reflects an issue with the entire participation aspect for the character himself while the latter only reflects an issue with the choice in vehicle used for a super move while leaving everything else intact.
 
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