Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Zinith]

So what are your top 3 tracks you want in Smash? And yes, from different franchises...

1. "Final Boss" from Yoshi's Island

2. "Mechonis Field" from Xenoblade Chronicles

3. "Last Day" from the Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

These “leaks” are just trying to out gimmick each other for attention at this point.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

These “leaks” are just trying to out gimmick each other for attention at this point.

I want someone to make a Smash Bros. leak ARG with multiple types of code and puzzles and real world elements (like going to coordinates and ****).

Come on 4chan, I know you're watching.

 

[SquashiniKun]

My favorite Smash leaker clichés:

> "I know ALL about the game, but I'm only gonna give you guys a little tidbit of information, because that totally still wouldn't risk the loss of my job if this were real or anything."
> "Wowee you guys, Nintendo invited me to their HQ and showed me ALL DA CHARACTERS! They told me not to tell anyone, but I'm just so excited and I want you guys to be excited too! Yipee!"
> "My sources have informed me that ______, ______, and ______ are in the game. I have no evidence to support this, but believe me anyway, pls, cuz I really want GameXplain to talk about me, are you guys still reading this"

And

> "Solve teh puzzle: White fish dude, green pirate king, dark magician girl, Woody, sliced apple"

I really want to see an exaggerated version of all of those tropes.

 

[Wambo]

These “leaks” are just trying to out gimmick each other for attention at this point.

I really want "sliced apple" and "Simon Belmont" to be running jokes with fake leaks, just for the lolz. They can't take themselves too seriously at this point, nobody believes them.

 

[DarkFalcon]

i think y'all might wanna look at this

Spoiler

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So basically people calling out others for posting fake leaks while posting leaks of their own which could also be entirely fake? Lol what.

also the one with ashley being an assist and someone calling it real makes it totally fake

 

[justPUNT3R]

I don't trust anything unless nintendo said it. Never believe leaks.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I don't trust anything unless nintendo said it. Never believe leaks.

You didn’t trust the ESRB leaks

 

[justPUNT3R]

I don't think that Inklings will be S tier, due to the Ink mechanic. If that wasn't implemented, they would be S tier. But that's just me.
Lul that was off-topic sorry.

You didn’t trust the ESRB leaks

nah. but I stay away from those usually. but then I saw that it was right... still, I think that the thing you should 100% trust are the stuff that nintendo says.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

nah. but I stay away from those usually.

Understandable, but as for those Inklings

I don't think that Inklings will be S tier, due to the Ink mechanic. If that wasn't implemented, they would be S tier. But that's just me.
Lul that was off-topic sorry.

They might not be top tier, but they’ll definitely be some of the best characters in the game (the ink for them isn’t gonna hinder them by much)

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Two more "leaks."

Spoiler: "Leak" 1

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/423306187/#423306187
Received some information on Smash.

New echoes will be shown as updates on the site as characters, without being in directs. These will be Incineroar (Captain Falcon), Shadow (Sonic), Dark Samus (Samus), Isabelle (Villager), Impa (Shiek), Akuma (Ryu).

A Nintendo Direct will take place on August 10 with a K. Rool reveal, who is the only one of these who is not an echo. I am not aware of any characters outside of these. I have no information as to whether or not that is the final roster.

Spoiler: "Leak" 2

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/423305838/#423305838
We are contractually obligated to make sure certain third party characters are not perceived as weaker than 50% of the cast by the competitive community, so expect Sonic, Bayonetta, Cloud Strife and Ryu to be around top to high tier, but outside of that we're going off of a similar philosophy as what we used in Smash for Wii-U and 3DS, but with a slight twist, we're gearing the game's balance for competitive enjoyment. Characters that have a high fun factor like Sheik or Fox will be skewed to be strong in the meta while characters with a low fun factor like Dedede and Jigglypuff will continue to squander below the others, they'll be usable but will suffer at high level. Fun factor is measured by both online comments looking at previous games and the dev team's personal opinions, our opinions weighted above yours, here's a look at what we've got so far.
10-7 Fun Factor: Marth/Lucina, Sheik, Diddy, Falcon, Fox, Falco, Charizard, Ryu, Pit/DarkPit, Ganondorf, Luigi, Mario, Meta Knight, Roy, Ike, Lucas
6-4 FF: Rosalina, Sonic, Ridley, Daisy/Peach, Yoshi, Mewtwo, Pikachu, R.O.B., Wii Fit, Pac-Man, Bayonetta
3-2 FF: Kirby, Bowser, Donkey Kong, Wario, Pichu, Ness, Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter, Olimar, Link, Toon Link, Wolf, Bandana Dee
1 FF: Mii Gunner, Ice Climbers, Dedede, Jigglypuff

Characters with low fun factor will not be prioritized in balancing and ones with higher will be made stronger as to ensure a happier meta for the players, with exception to the already mentioned third parties.

 

[Will]

Any real leakers need to be like the ESRB leaker. No qualms, no bull****, straight into the images (if they have any). He was clearly high off hype with the baseless DLC assumptions, but at the same time it was 2014, things could've changed so its another Gematsu moment.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Please do not double post. Edit your messages instead.

 

[Will]

Two more "leaks."

Spoiler: "Leak" 1

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/423306187/#423306187
Received some information on Smash.

New echoes will be shown as updates on the site as characters, without being in directs. These will be Incineroar (Captain Falcon), Shadow (Sonic), Dark Samus (Samus), Isabelle (Villager), Impa (Shiek), Akuma (Ryu).

A Nintendo Direct will take place on August 10 with a K. Rool reveal, who is the only one of these who is not an echo. I am not aware of any characters outside of these. I have no information as to whether or not that is the final roster.

Spoiler: "Leak" 2

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/423305838/#423305838
We are contractually obligated to make sure certain third party characters are not perceived as weaker than 50% of the cast by the competitive community, so expect Sonic, Bayonetta, Cloud Strife and Ryu to be around top to high tier, but outside of that we're going off of a similar philosophy as what we used in Smash for Wii-U and 3DS, but with a slight twist, we're gearing the game's balance for competitive enjoyment. Characters that have a high fun factor like Sheik or Fox will be skewed to be strong in the meta while characters with a low fun factor like Dedede and Jigglypuff will continue to squander below the others, they'll be usable but will suffer at high level. Fun factor is measured by both online comments looking at previous games and the dev team's personal opinions, our opinions weighted above yours, here's a look at what we've got so far.
10-7 Fun Factor: Marth/Lucina, Sheik, Diddy, Falcon, Fox, Falco, Charizard, Ryu, Pit/DarkPit, Ganondorf, Luigi, Mario, Meta Knight, Roy, Ike, Lucas
6-4 FF: Rosalina, Sonic, Ridley, Daisy/Peach, Yoshi, Mewtwo, Pikachu, R.O.B., Wii Fit, Pac-Man, Bayonetta
3-2 FF: Kirby, Bowser, Donkey Kong, Wario, Pichu, Ness, Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter, Olimar, Link, Toon Link, Wolf, Bandana Dee
1 FF: Mii Gunner, Ice Climbers, Dedede, Jigglypuff

Characters with low fun factor will not be prioritized in balancing and ones with higher will be made stronger as to ensure a happier meta for the players, with exception to the already mentioned third parties.

You might wanna recheck what you linked for Leak 2.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Two more "leaks."

Spoiler: "Leak" 1

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/423306187/#423306187
Received some information on Smash.

New echoes will be shown as updates on the site as characters, without being in directs. These will be Incineroar (Captain Falcon), Shadow (Sonic), Dark Samus (Samus), Isabelle (Villager), Impa (Shiek), Akuma (Ryu).

A Nintendo Direct will take place on August 10 with a K. Rool reveal, who is the only one of these who is not an echo. I am not aware of any characters outside of these. I have no information as to whether or not that is the final roster.

Spoiler: "Leak" 2

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/423305838/#423305838
We are contractually obligated to make sure certain third party characters are not perceived as weaker than 50% of the cast by the competitive community, so expect Sonic, Bayonetta, Cloud Strife and Ryu to be around top to high tier, but outside of that we're going off of a similar philosophy as what we used in Smash for Wii-U and 3DS, but with a slight twist, we're gearing the game's balance for competitive enjoyment. Characters that have a high fun factor like Sheik or Fox will be skewed to be strong in the meta while characters with a low fun factor like Dedede and Jigglypuff will continue to squander below the others, they'll be usable but will suffer at high level. Fun factor is measured by both online comments looking at previous games and the dev team's personal opinions, our opinions weighted above yours, here's a look at what we've got so far.
10-7 Fun Factor: Marth/Lucina, Sheik, Diddy, Falcon, Fox, Falco, Charizard, Ryu, Pit/DarkPit, Ganondorf, Luigi, Mario, Meta Knight, Roy, Ike, Lucas
6-4 FF: Rosalina, Sonic, Ridley, Daisy/Peach, Yoshi, Mewtwo, Pikachu, R.O.B., Wii Fit, Pac-Man, Bayonetta
3-2 FF: Kirby, Bowser, Donkey Kong, Wario, Pichu, Ness, Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter, Olimar, Link, Toon Link, Wolf, Bandana Dee
1 FF: Mii Gunner, Ice Climbers, Dedede, Jigglypuff

Characters with low fun factor will not be prioritized in balancing and ones with higher will be made stronger as to ensure a happier meta for the players, with exception to the already mentioned third parties.

Any leak that talks about tiers is automatically fake. People really need to stop with that lol.

 

[Zinith]

Incineroar (Captain Falcon)

Aww, isn't that leaker such a special boy....

6-4 Fun Factor: Yoshi

This one on the other hand...

 

[Chandeelure]

10-7 Fun Factor: Marth/Lucina, Sheik, Diddy, Falcon, Fox, Falco, Charizard, Ryu, Pit/DarkPit, Ganondorf, Luigi, Mario, Meta Knight, Roy, Ike, Lucas
6-4 FF: Rosalina, Sonic, Ridley, Daisy/Peach, Yoshi, Mewtwo, Pikachu, R.O.B., Wii Fit, Pac-Man, Bayonetta
3-2 FF: Kirby, Bowser, Donkey Kong, Wario, Pichu, Ness, Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter, Olimar, Link, Toon Link, Wolf, Bandana Dee
1 FF: Mii Gunner, Ice Climbers, Dedede, Jigglypuff

LOL

Also why is Pokemon Trainer just Charizard?

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

LOL

Also why is Pokemon Trainer just Charizard?

Because the leaker didn't even try.

 

[Gengar84]

This is a pretty difficult list to make. I'm going to try to limit this to first party franchises from series already represented in Smash. These would probably be my top three picks for music I'd want in this game:

1) "Eclipse of the Moon" from Hyrule Warriors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuW38JQrDfY&t=171s

2) "Counterattack" from Xenoblade Chronicles 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTNC1t6_MY4

3) "Battle! Deoxys" from Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8LZruXvong

Honorable mention goes to Crocodile Cacophony from Donkey Kong Country 2 (or pretty much any song from that game),

 

[Zerp]

Two more "leaks."

Spoiler: "Leak" 1

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/423306187/#423306187
Received some information on Smash.

New echoes will be shown as updates on the site as characters, without being in directs. These will be Incineroar (Captain Falcon), Shadow (Sonic), Dark Samus (Samus), Isabelle (Villager), Impa (Shiek), Akuma (Ryu).

A Nintendo Direct will take place on August 10 with a K. Rool reveal, who is the only one of these who is not an echo. I am not aware of any characters outside of these. I have no information as to whether or not that is the final roster.

Spoiler: "Leak" 2

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/423305838/#423305838
We are contractually obligated to make sure certain third party characters are not perceived as weaker than 50% of the cast by the competitive community, so expect Sonic, Bayonetta, Cloud Strife and Ryu to be around top to high tier, but outside of that we're going off of a similar philosophy as what we used in Smash for Wii-U and 3DS, but with a slight twist, we're gearing the game's balance for competitive enjoyment. Characters that have a high fun factor like Sheik or Fox will be skewed to be strong in the meta while characters with a low fun factor like Dedede and Jigglypuff will continue to squander below the others, they'll be usable but will suffer at high level. Fun factor is measured by both online comments looking at previous games and the dev team's personal opinions, our opinions weighted above yours, here's a look at what we've got so far.
10-7 Fun Factor: Marth/Lucina, Sheik, Diddy, Falcon, Fox, Falco, Charizard, Ryu, Pit/DarkPit, Ganondorf, Luigi, Mario, Meta Knight, Roy, Ike, Lucas
6-4 FF: Rosalina, Sonic, Ridley, Daisy/Peach, Yoshi, Mewtwo, Pikachu, R.O.B., Wii Fit, Pac-Man, Bayonetta
3-2 FF: Kirby, Bowser, Donkey Kong, Wario, Pichu, Ness, Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter, Olimar, Link, Toon Link, Wolf, Bandana Dee
1 FF: Mii Gunner, Ice Climbers, Dedede, Jigglypuff

Characters with low fun factor will not be prioritized in balancing and ones with higher will be made stronger as to ensure a happier meta for the players, with exception to the already mentioned third parties.

>Jigglypuff will be bottom tier yet again after being bottom tier for TEN YEARS.

I know it's not real but I'm angry regardless.

 

[Blargg888]

First, I just saw my spreadsheet posted to Reddit without my permission, and even falsely credited. PLEASE ask for my permission before posting it anywhere. That's all I ask. Thank you.

When I saw that spreadsheet, I thought of you immediately. Although I didn't notice that it was miscredited. It really sucks when people do that kind of stuff.


Also, at this point we have so many leaks that this is starting to look like an accurate interpretation:

 

[TMNTSSB4]

>Jigglypuff will be bottom tier yet again after being bottom tier for TEN YEARS.

View attachment 151911

I know it's not real but I'm angry regardless.

15 more years until the Jigglypuff Uprising game is released

Because the leaker didn't even try.
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Damn a square

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

When I saw that spreadsheet, I thought of you immediately. Although I didn't notice that it was miscredited. It really sucks when people do that kind of stuff.


Also, at this point we have so many leaks that this is starting to look like an accurate interpretation:

Dude almost miscredited it, but still didn't give credit where it was due. I edited the spreadsheet to reflect it, so people know who made it.

It's kinda weird being credited as "those documenting the leaks," as I'm a single person.

Anyways, weird thought:

What if "Toby" is actually a Nintendo employee or a group of Nintendo Employees who create fake leaks to flood speculation boards so that when a real text leak pops up people don't believe it?

 

[Darkraid]

Two more "leaks."

Spoiler: "Leak" 1

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/423306187/#423306187
Received some information on Smash.

New echoes will be shown as updates on the site as characters, without being in directs. These will be Incineroar (Captain Falcon), Shadow (Sonic), Dark Samus (Samus), Isabelle (Villager), Impa (Shiek), Akuma (Ryu).

A Nintendo Direct will take place on August 10 with a K. Rool reveal, who is the only one of these who is not an echo. I am not aware of any characters outside of these. I have no information as to whether or not that is the final roster.

Spoiler: "Leak" 2

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/423305838/#423305838
We are contractually obligated to make sure certain third party characters are not perceived as weaker than 50% of the cast by the competitive community, so expect Sonic, Bayonetta, Cloud Strife and Ryu to be around top to high tier, but outside of that we're going off of a similar philosophy as what we used in Smash for Wii-U and 3DS, but with a slight twist, we're gearing the game's balance for competitive enjoyment. Characters that have a high fun factor like Sheik or Fox will be skewed to be strong in the meta while characters with a low fun factor like Dedede and Jigglypuff will continue to squander below the others, they'll be usable but will suffer at high level. Fun factor is measured by both online comments looking at previous games and the dev team's personal opinions, our opinions weighted above yours, here's a look at what we've got so far.
10-7 Fun Factor: Marth/Lucina, Sheik, Diddy, Falcon, Fox, Falco, Charizard, Ryu, Pit/DarkPit, Ganondorf, Luigi, Mario, Meta Knight, Roy, Ike, Lucas
6-4 FF: Rosalina, Sonic, Ridley, Daisy/Peach, Yoshi, Mewtwo, Pikachu, R.O.B., Wii Fit, Pac-Man, Bayonetta
3-2 FF: Kirby, Bowser, Donkey Kong, Wario, Pichu, Ness, Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter, Olimar, Link, Toon Link, Wolf, Bandana Dee
1 FF: Mii Gunner, Ice Climbers, Dedede, Jigglypuff

Characters with low fun factor will not be prioritized in balancing and ones with higher will be made stronger as to ensure a happier meta for the players, with exception to the already mentioned third parties.

Leak 1 would be GREAT if true

 

[Delzethin]

These “leaks” are just trying to out gimmick each other for attention at this point.

Pretty much. You can even see how they follow each other's trends and character "predictions", bouncing off each other and off whatever is popular at the moment regardless of the big picture.

On that note, expect Adeleine to show up in a few of them now.

 

[Zinith]

Because the leaker didn't even try.
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Also even if it was meant to be a joke, the "Fun Factor" designation really irritated me...

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

All these leaks coming all over the place is really ironic, occurring this drought of new stuff from SSBU-updates.

That tier-leak made me crack like an egg, by the way.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

All these leaks coming all over the place is really ironic, occurring this drought of new stuff from SSBU-updates.

That tier-leak made me crack like an egg, by the way.

I don't think "leaks" are going to stop even if information is thrown at us. Maybe slow down, but they'll change and adapt to sound believable.

 

[UltimateWario]

On that note, expect Adeleine to show up in a few of them now.

I remember after the first wave of friends dropped, every Smash thread was like "DUDE MARX" and now you never hear about the guy.

I'd imagine Wave 3 will be near release before or around the same time as Smash so expect plenty of Magalor, Susie, and Taranza may mays.

 

[Zerp]

Pretty much. You can even see how they follow each other's trends and character "predictions", bouncing off each other and off whatever is popular at the moment regardless of the big picture.

On that note, expect Adeleine to show up in a few of them now.

Any leak with Ado/Adeleine is instantly fake to me, Sakurai made the "no humans rule" for the Kirby anime, I doubt he has a positive opinion of the character given that she's, you know, a human? Like seriously, if you think about it, that probably is what killed her off for 18 years, she was considered a main character before that, no way he made a rule that affected a major character at the time and didn't actually think about it's potential consequences, he probably doesn't like Adeleine.

 

[N3ON]

i think y'all might wanna look at this

Spoiler

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I'm so confused right now.

This doesn't seem real.

 

[UltimateWario]

I'm so confused right now.

This doesn't seem real.

Nice try, Toby.

 

[Will]

First, I just saw my spreadsheet posted to Reddit without my permission, and even falsely credited. PLEASE ask for my permission before posting it anywhere. That's all I ask. Thank you.

expose them
do it
unleash your fury

 

[Zerp]

On second inspection of the tier "leak", why on earth is Ness in 3-2, yet Lucas is in 7-10? That makes literally no sense at all.

Nice try, Toby.

Another good attempt, Toby. I see what you're trying to do with this elaborate scheme of making everyone know that you exist, only to lure them into a false sense of security since you are calling yourself out, that one of the others will actually be real, but it ain't working. We all know the truth, EVERY 4chan leak is your doing, there are no real ones, you are merely there to distract us.

 

[UltimateWario]

Any leak with Ado/Adeleine is instantly fake to me, Sakurai made the "no humans rule" for the Kirby anime, I doubt he has a positive opinion of the character given that she's, you know, a human? Like seriously, if you think about it, that probably is what killed her off for 18 years, she was considered a main character before that, no way he made a rule that affected a major character at the time and didn't actually think about it's potential consequences, he probably doesn't like Adeleine.

The Dark Matter Trilogy was directed by Shimomura rather than Sakurai and the two clearly had different views on how Kirby was to be handled, which is easy to see in the tone and style of the games compared to Sakurai's. The no-humans thing was made as one of the two rules for the anime (the other being that Kirby never talks) rather than the games. I doubt Sakurai cared about the character in particular, considering she was a boss in one of her two appearances and a support character in the other. The Dark Matter Trilogy and Sakurai's games were often within their own realms, such as Meta Knight never appearing in Shimomura's games and the Animal Friends never appearing (as more than cameos) in Sakurai's games or the anime. It's probably just a matter of preference than any kind of disdain for the character.

It's kind of like how Wario never appeared in main Mario games because he was made by Gunpei Yokoi rather than Miyamoto.

 

[Will]

Someone mentioned a pretty nifty idea: What if like how Snake had his Codecs and Pit had Palutena's Guidance-

Spoiler: big reveal

Little Mac had Doc Louis giving advice a la Punch-Out intermission round cards.

 

[Zinith]

I'm of the opinion that all leaks are fake until proven otherwise unless it's mentions Boshi lol, but I've been wondering. What will it take for any of you to actually believe a leak? What's are the boundaries that keep you from believing one?

 

[Hinata]

I'm of the opinion that all leaks are fake until proven otherwise unless it's mentions Boshi lol, but I've been wondering. What will it take for any of you to actually believe a leak? What's are the boundaries that keep you from believing one?

For a leak to even be remotely believable for me right off the bat, I need some kind of visual evidence. Picture, video, whatever.

 

[vaanrose]

Any real leakers need to be like the ESRB leaker. No qualms, no bull****, straight into the images (if they have any). He was clearly high off hype with the baseless DLC assumptions, but at the same time it was 2014, things could've changed so its another Gematsu moment.

Heuh? Do people still think the guy who leaked the images is the guy who photographed them? Cause he wasn't. All that extra stuff he spouted was pure trolling, it was not scrapped plans like Gematsu was.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Someone mentioned a pretty nifty idea: What if like how Snake had his Codecs and Pit had Palutena's Guidance-

Spoiler: big reveal

Little Mac had Doc Louis giving advice a la Punch-Out intermission round cards.

Yes please, then we get a crossover within a crossover with those three