Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I still think Incenaroar can have more unique stuff in Smash, which is one of the things Sakurai wants to see in newcomers.

Decidueye could have some unique things, but the very basis of his moveset is basically "bird who can shoot arrows", which is basically what Pit is.

Incenaroar has the potential of being the first full grappler in Smash. Paco from Brawlout and Luffy from SSF2 worked, so why not Incenaroar in Smash?

 

[Deleted member]

"bird who can shoot arrows", which is basically what Pit is.

Pit is best birb. :V

 

[Luminario]

I still think Incenaroar can have more unique stuff in Smash, which is one of the things Sakurai wants to see in newcomers.

Decidueye could have some unique things, but the very basis of his moveset is basically "bird who can shoot arrows", which is basically what Pit is.

Incenaroar has the potential of being the first full grappler in Smash. Paco from Brawlout and Luffy from SSF2 worked, so why not Incenaroar in Smash?

I'm not that big of a fan of Decidueye, but you can't just call it a "bird who can shoot arrows" then turn around and say that Incineroar has more unique stuff to bring to the table thanks to potentially getting a few command grabs.

 

[Opossum]

I still think Incenaroar can have more unique stuff in Smash, which is one of the things Sakurai wants to see in newcomers.

Decidueye could have some unique things, but the very basis of his moveset is basically "bird who can shoot arrows", which is basically what Pit is.

Incenaroar has the potential of being the first full grappler in Smash. Paco from Brawlout and Luffy from SSF2 worked, so why not Incenaroar in Smash?

Ah yes, how could I forget? Pit's entire moveset is solely his neutral special.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Wasn't everyone's general consensus that the next Pokemon would be a Diamond and Pearl remake? Or did that die off sometime?

Well, depending on whether the next game is a remake or a new generation could be the deciding factor whether we get Decidueye/Incenaroar in the next game. I do think there will definitely be a new Pokemon added in the Switch version but if that next game is a remake then I'd have to doubt that any Pokemon from the next generation would even be considered as conceptualization seems to be a rather long development period in terms of new Pokemon.

 

[Opossum]

Wasn't everyone's general consensus that the next Pokemon would be a Diamond and Pearl remake? Or did that die off sometime?

Well, depending on whether the next game is a remake or a new generation could be the deciding factor whether we get Decidueye/Incenaroar in the next game. I do think there will definitely be a new Pokemon added in the Switch version but if that next game is a remake then I'd have to doubt that any Pokemon from the next generation would even be considered as conceptualization seems to be a rather long development period in terms of new Pokemon.

Most assume the Switch title is a non-remake Gen VIII game since no generation was split over two consoles and Game Freak has never started a new generation with a remake.

Yeah, some conventions get broken, but that's one of Game Freak's constants.

 

[Wolfie557]

Another Square Enix character doesn't seem all that likely to be honestly. Aside from Final Fantasy is there a series that has a genuine character that can actually be an interesting character. Tomb Raider, Dragon Quest, and basically any other aquired through Eidos character I feel are of the table.

Not that that matters. They've literally got the best character they could possibly get from Square.

Geno is a totally different story because he's a literal Mario character that just happens to be owned by Square. Then again, I wouldn't say Geno is likely either.

I dont see why DQ or Tomb Raider are out of the table, they are big iconic and have/had significant presence on Nintendo systems.

There is no 3rd party that can be considered likely imho anyway, so it's not that big of a deal.

Personally I think this is the order of what company is most likley to get another character in haha : Square > Ubisoft > Konami = Capcom > Namco Bandai > Sega (pls dont its perfect ) > Activision > Tecmo Koei...others...

Changing the topic (But not really, as I'm discussing a Fighting Game) , has Pokken DX altered any character's chances of getting in? Personally, I think it

A: Increased Decidueye's chances by a small amount. It may make Sakurai more keen to use it over a Gen 8 mon.

B. Marginally increased the chances of a Pokken based fighter. It not being a 1-and-done deal may make Sakurai interested in making a character that uses it's mechanics ala Ryu.



Do we have any conclusive proof Sakurai has stuff against western games getting in smash? After all, we do throw Sylux around a lot, and he was created by a Western company (Retro). I see a Ubisoft rep happening way before a second SE one, because of the trophys in 4.

There isn't proof but thats the 'trend'. Yh I can also see Rayman getting in before another Square rep but who knows.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Makes sense, considering they were a duo that climbed ice peaks rather than cryokinetics.

Someone like Sub-Zero would be the first true cryokinetic.

Pretty much this. Unlike the Ice Climbers, Sub-Zero would have a lot more potential with having multiple attacks with freezing effects.

 

[UserKev]

Too bad the wonderful corporation of Disney is very strict and never knows how to have fun.

Sora is pure Disney anyway.

 

[FantasticMr.StarPit]

Ice Climbers are good ice characters. Put them back.

If you want to represent a franchise, go for the character that best represents the franchise. I think Scorpion is the face of MK more than Sub-Zero. He has the more brutal moveset overall than Subby and his classic harpoon.

I disagree. I wholeheartedly would love to see a cryokinetic character so much. Scorpion would be nice, but I just believe he's just another fire type character.

 

[Bowserlick]

Scorpion would represent MK.

A brutal fighting game. He is an undead ninja that uses forces of hell and a harpoon to devastate his enemies.

I do believe that Sub-Zero can also come on-board as a semi-clone to Scorpion.

 

[Megadoomer]

I feel like Scorpion would be easier to tone down than some MK characters, considering that his classic fatality is the relatively tame example of pulling off his mask to reveal a skull and breathing fire. (presumably, the fire would be expanded for a Final Smash) There's also stuff like summoning a giant flaming skeletal hand, or summoning his undead clan to gang-rush the opponents (though since Dedede's final smash was changed, I can't see this one working either).

As far as Western third party characters, I'd like to see Rayman, Doomguy, and Shovel Knight (along with a few Western-made Nintendo characters, like Mike Jones from Star Tropics or Alexandra Roivas from Eternal Darkness).

 

[Deleted member]

Brutal:
bru·tal
ˈbro͞odl/
adjective
adjective: brutal

1. savagely violent.
   "a brutal murder"
   synonyms: savage, cruel, vicious, ferocious, brutish, barbaric, barbarous, wicked, murderous, bloodthirsty, cold-blooded, callous, heartless, ruthless, merciless, sadistic, heinous, monstrous, abominable, atrocious
   "a brutal attack"

Considering the source material, neither one is more "brutal" than the other. Either one would represent the "brutal" aspect of Mortal Kombat just fine, especially if sound effects from MK are used like how Ryu uses SFII sound effects.

So, when it comes down to it, the better choice between the two is a matter of "what interesting fighting style can they bring into Smash that we haven't seen before"?

And truth be told, Sub-Zero has Scorpion beat in that regard, but not simply because "Scorpion's fire, Sub-Zero's ice", because there could be something done with the hellfire aspect, but rather in what Sub-Zero can do as a fighter.

But realistically, we wouldn't get either one to begin with for numerous reasons.

 

[Bowserlick]

Harpooned through the chest, just to be yanked toward a "Get Over Here" demanding skeleton with revenge issues seems more brutal to me than being frozen in slightly different scenario's. The harpoon seems more aggressive.

In terms of playstyle, they are nearly identical to each other except for signature special moves in the first couple games. Sub-Zero's stun and combo strategy exists in Smash. I say their offerings as fighters are mostly in the hands of design.

If I was picking the mascot for the game known for violence and which said game is represented by a dragon awash in flames, I would go with the hell-spawn undead warrior.

If there is one MK rep. I would put better odds on Scorpion.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I know this is all just speculation, but seriously, as much as I love Mortal Kombat, I very much doubt we'd get a character from that franchise.

But if we do, as much as I'd like it to be Sub-Zero since we have no true cryomancer, it'd be Scoprion for a few reasons;

• When testing the waters of a MK character in Injustice, who was their first choice? Scorpion.
• Which character appeared in the covers of MK vs. DC, MK9 and MKX? Scorpion.
• Who is the NetherRealm Studios logo? Scorpion! (justified since the NetherRealm is the realm Scorpion is associated with)

All Sub-Zero really has is the fact that his Spine Rip fatality was the last straw that led to the ESRB's creation, which is kind of a useless gaming history moment for anyone not in North America. And it's not even the current Sub-Zero who did it either!

 

[Schnee117]

Also Scorpion being Ed Boon's favourite and actually being able to tone down his fatality.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Also Scorpion being Ed Boon's favourite and actually being able to tone down his fatality.

If MK vs. DC taught me anything, it's that a lot of Fatalities can be toned down.

But with that said, him doing the Toasty! Fatality on Mario as a Final Smash would be amazing

 

[_Sheik]

So what if, in the potential January Direct, Nintendo announces both a DX version of Smash 4 coming in 2018 and that a brand new Smash title has just begun development? Would you still buy Smash 4 DX or just wait for the brand new one, knowing it might not come before 2019 at the earliest?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So what if, in the potential January Direct, Nintendo announces both a DX version of Smash 4 coming in 2018 and that a brand new Smash title has just begun development? Would you still buy Smash 4 DX or just wait for the brand new one, knowing it might not come before 2019 at the earliest?

I doubt they'd work on both, especially at the same time.

 

[ssbashworld]

So what if, in the potential January Direct, Nintendo announces both a DX version of Smash 4 coming in 2018 and that a brand new Smash title has just begun development? Would you still buy Smash 4 DX or just wait for the brand new one, knowing it might not come before 2019 at the earliest?

I would buy both but thats just me. I play smash all the time and would love to bring the wii u version with its graphics, stages, 8 player mode, etc. on the go. Not sure how other would take to this, may heavily depend on when the new smash is due out (i would assume not soon with a DX version being more something to hold us over for a long wait)

 

[Zerp]

So what if, in the potential January Direct, Nintendo announces both a DX version of Smash 4 coming in 2018 and that a brand new Smash title has just begun development? Would you still buy Smash 4 DX or just wait for the brand new one, knowing it might not come before 2019 at the earliest?

Seriously depends on what's added. If there's any new legal stages or characters (unless if they're literally all clones of other characters) then I will, but if there isn't and it's just content I don't care much about, then I'd just wait.

 

[_Sheik]

I doubt they'd work on both, especially at the same time.

So do I, hence the "what if"

 

[NintenRob]

Skull Kid is in Monster Hunter

Skull Kid should definitely be next Zelda character I reckon.

 

[Deleted member]

Skull Kid is in Monster Hunter

Skull Kid should definitely be next Zelda character I reckon.

No, clearly Epona should be.

Do you not see how that horse is kicking ass in MH?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Epona for Smash?

That honestly sounds like something I never knew I wanted until now.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Epona for Smash?

That honestly sounds like something I never knew I wanted until now.

Only if we get Young Epona as a clone down the line.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Only if we get Young Epona as a clone down the line.

I would be okay with this.

 

[Deleted member]

Epona for Smash?

That honestly sounds like something I never knew I wanted until now.

He needs to be voiced by 50 Cent.

 

[Roberto zampari]

So what if, in the potential January Direct, Nintendo announces both a DX version of Smash 4 coming in 2018 and that a brand new Smash title has just begun development? Would you still buy Smash 4 DX or just wait for the brand new one, knowing it might not come before 2019 at the earliest?

Wait, is there a direct in January 2018?
Do you have a proof?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Wait, is there a direct in January 2018?
Do you have a proof?

He said "potential" January Direct. In other words, he's referring to a currently hypothetical scenario.

But it wouldn't surprise me if they did something similar to the Switch Presentation we had back then.

 

[Opossum]

Plus I mean, doesn't Nintendo traditionally have an end of the current year/start of the next year Direct anyway? Whether it be December or January.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

He needs to be voiced by 50 Cent.

woah Epona is a GUY?

At this point I think a port is super likely to be announced soon now that it won't harm ARMS

 

[Diddy Kong]

No matter how awesome the prospect of Epona and her clone Young Epona would be, Impa is still the best choice for a Zelda newcomer.

Breath of the Wild ruined some things, but at least it can serve for abilities. Remote Bombs are totally Sheikah magic, thus can be used by Impa, as well as other moves. Oh and give her a two handed sword, cause that would just be cool.

 

[JAGM-Georgy]

Epona must be an Super Smash Brothers Assist Trophy

 

[Bowserlick]

Breath of the Wild Link can easily become the next Zelda character. He can have variety of movements and ways to interact with the stage to reflect the open, expanse world exploration in his latest game.

Spoiler

B Magnesis: Creates a magenta arc of magnetic power that curves into the floor. While holding B, Link can push around a mound of dirt/terrain which can pop enemies up. After a set time of using the attack, a treasure chest pops out. (This has KO potential). Whoever gets to the chest first and presses A, opens it and gets a Guardian sword. (This sword has similar properties to the beam sword and can be thrown).

Side B Stamina Wheel: When side B is used Link can run even faster in a direction, scale walls and glide on his parasol in the air. A small stamina wheel appears above Link that drains. After depletion, it takes awhile to regenerate.

Down B Weapon Switch: Link can toggle between a spear, warhammer and sword. This changes Smashes (all forward Smashes are the weapon charged attacks in the game), tilts, and some aerials such as Down A (which are all the jump attacks in the game). Weapons can break and have a refresh time. If all break, all regenerate instantly.

Up B Lord of the Mountain: Link mounts the spirit stag as it leaps in an arc. The stag can pop people up like Wario's bike if it collides with them. When the stag lands on the floor, you can charge left and right. Press of A shoots off an ancient arrow. If you jump off the stag, it vanishes. This does not give great recovery distance and Link cannot grab the ledge while mounted. Link has lag if he is knocked off.

Down Smash can be lighting a fire. This creates a current of air that can push anyone using a parasol/parachute upwards. The fire itself is a damaging hazard.

Neutral A and Neutral Aerial A both fire an arrow. Both can be held.

Dash is shield surfing.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I would really really really really prefer to not have ANOTHER Link in Smash. I'd tolerate it if Young Link came back but "Wild Link" or whatever just makes it sound like the development team is completely out of ideas for characters.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I would really really really really prefer to not have ANOTHER Link in Smash. I'd tolerate it if Young Link came back but "Wild Link" or whatever just makes it sound like the development team is completely out of ideas for characters.

And Young Link doesn't?

At least, Wild Link would do some stuff other Links won't do. Young Link, on the other hand, is a Link clone.

 

[Staarih]

Even if it would be yet another Link... I could actually see "Wild Link" becoming a thing in Smash, unless normal Link gets a major overhaul (but we haven't really seen any major moveset changes to characters yet). BotW will surely be featured heavily in a future Smash game - I bet elements of it will make their way into characters, existing or new, as well.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

(but we haven't really seen any major moveset changes to characters yet)

I think an angel just coughed.

 

[Schnee117]

And Young Link doesn't?

At least, Wild Link would do some stuff other Links won't do. Young Link, on the other hand, is a Link clone.

Young Link is at least a veteran so bringing him back is more so for his fans rather than "Welp out of ideas"