Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Zippo]

That's my question. With a smaller, more focused newcomer list, Pokémon already having more characters than any other series on the roster, would we get a Pokémon newcomer at all? It feels as though it would be there just to fill a slot.

Yeah, they're in a very interesting predicament here. Not sure which way it'll go.

Who gets the final say on the Pokemon characters, by the way? Sakurai, Masuda or Ishihara?

 

[92MilesPrower]

Just remembered that apparently the starting roster is only the original 8 (or 12? not sure which but I'm gonna assume 8), and that unlocks are apparently gonna be streamlined or whatever to make getting everyone not take forever. What methods for unlocking everyone else do you guys think we'll be getting aside from just playing a ton of matches? I have a few ideas for some characters, with assumptions as to what modes will be in the game:

Luigi: Complete Break the Targets with all starter characters
Ness: Get over 1,000 feet in Home Run Contest
Dr. Mario: Clear Classic with Mario
Pichu: Clear Classic with Pikachu
Falco: Complete 100 Man Smash
Marth: Use 12 different characters at least once in VS mode
Young Link: Clear Classic with Link
Ganondorf: Clear Classic with Link and Zelda
Roy: Clear Classic with Marth
Mr. Game & Watch: Clear Break the Targets with 24 different characters
Wolf: Clear Classic with Fox and Falco

This is all just some ideas, it's probably gonna make more sense than these I guess, but it's fun thinking of these.

 

[Deleted member]

My main concern regarding Decidueye's chances is that there might not be room for a Pokemon newcomer at all, amd even if there will be it might not be Decidueye.

Are we still overrating Decidueye? The guy's unique and all, but now that Ivysaur is back, it just lost it's greatest advantage.

At this point, I'd argue Incineroar is way more likely.

 

[Jetsurge]

I don't think Pokemon, Zelda and Mario are getting any more reps.

 

[Arcadenik]

Are we still overrating Decidueye? The guy's unique and all, but now that Ivysaur is back, it just lost it's greatest advantage.

At this point, I'd argue Incineroar is way more likely.

So because Ivysaur is back, we don’t need another Grass Pokémon? And yet you think Incineroar, a Fire Pokemon, is more likely even though we already have Charizard?

 

[StrangeMann]

I don't think Pokemon, Zelda and Mario are getting any more reps.

I think I'd agree with you aside from miniscule chances captain toad (possibly deconfirmed?)/ paper mario/ geno get in

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Yeah, this. I don't think type really matters all that much.

I never thought typing mattered.

I always thought that those who wanted Decidueye just because he's a grass-type weren't thinking hard enough about why he deserved to be in Smash.

But hey, I guess Decidueye is gonna lose 90% of its supporters now that we have a grass-type, right?

All jokes aside, I think the uniqueness of a purely arrow-based moveset is a much better argument to support Decidueye. But even then, you can only do so much with just arrows...

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Yeah, they're in a very interesting predicament here. Not sure which way it'll go.

Who gets the final say, by the way? Sakurai, Masuda or Ishihara?

Sakurai goes to the Pokemon Company in order to decide which Pokemon to include.

 

[Deleted member]

I saw multiple regular Meowths in the treehouse stream.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Oh, wait wait wait...seriously? And specifically Alolan Meowth, NOT traditional Meowth? Regular Meowth hasn't been seen yet?

...

I think it was regular Meowth but either way, knowing Sakurai's Toon Link and Alphonso thing, if one Meowth is a pokeball, the other isn't playable

 

[Pakky]

Hot take on Decidieye we, have FIVE archers now, two of them can fly.

- There are no wrestlers

- There are no tricky ghosts

 

[Murlough]

Still betting on a Halloween reveal for Mimikyu/Decidueye.

 

[Pokechu]

Thoughts on how Pokemon Trainer is playing?

Oh wait someone's playing PT right now? Is the treehouse on or something?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So because Ivysaur is back, we don’t need another Grass Pokémon? And yet you think Incineroar, a Fire Pokemon, is more likely even though we already have Charizard?

We have two Electric types (Pikachu, Pichu) and two Water types (Squirtle, Greninja)

If that doesn't show that Sakurai doesn't really care about having only one of a certain type, I don't know what will.

 

[RedMarf78]

lol, Bayo's damage output seemed to be around the same but then I realized that a fresh back air does 17%.

IMPORTANT / NEW MECHANIC? : If you watch the first match in Grand Finals of the invitational, you can see that during the first stock Leo and ZeRo try to grab each other at around the same time which results in both grabs being canceled and both players taking 1 percent. This might also signify something about grab armor.

 

[Pakky]

Still betting on a Halloween reveal for Mimikyu/Decidueye.

Mimikyu still makes more since to me if we get any 7th gen pokemon at all.

 

[StrangeMann]

I never thought typing mattered.

I always thought that those who wanted Decidueye just because he's a grass-type weren't thinking hard enough about why he deserved to be in Smash.

But hey, I guess Decidueye is gonna lose 90% of its supporters now that we have a grass-type, right?

All jokes aside, I think the uniqueness of a purely arrow-based moveset is a much better argument to support Decidueye. But even then, you can only do so much with just arrows...

I think a lot of people EXPECTED decidueye just because there was expectation that a new pokemon from gen 7 had to be playable because Pokemon gets new characters every game. Because there's 3 more playable pokemon now, I'm not so sure. Nothing to do with his grass typing imo.

 

[Pokechu]

I think I'd agree with you aside from miniscule chances captain toad (possibly deconfirmed?)/ paper mario/ geno get in

O wait how is Captain Toad possibly deconfirmed?

 

[StrangeMann]

O wait how is Captain Toad possibly deconfirmed?

Normal toad is heavily involved in daisy/peach grabs/neutral b, he's not just a doll anymore, he actually shows up full character and does the work on his own.
Still a chance captain toad gets in, but significantly less likely.

 

[Iridium]

So, who are you guys going to main or secondary? I have so many picks, like BOTW Link, Toon Link (have to think about Young Link), Greninja, Lucario, Marth and Roy among many. I might as well try every character, as I probably could main random if I chose to.

 

[?????????????]

I saw multiple regular Meowths in the treehouse stream.

Awwwwwwww. Dream crushed.

 

[92MilesPrower]

I never thought typing mattered.

I always thought that those who wanted Decidueye just because he's a grass-type weren't thinking hard enough about why he deserved to be in Smash.

But hey, I guess Decidueye is gonna lost 90% of its supporters now that we have a grass-type, right?

Allo jokes aside, I think the uniqueness of a purely arrow-based moveset is a much better argument to support Decidueye. But even then, you can only do so much with just arrows...

I supported him because of how a fighter with plant based moves (aside from Ivysaur) interested me, and because of the playstyle he'd have with archery, moreso than the three Links and the two Pits, and potential for a Ghost type move or two as well. He just really interested me the most out of potential Gen 7 newcomers, but now I don't really care if we get a Pokemon newcomer or not on the base roster, I feel like we could definitely get one as DLC.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I think a lot of people EXPECTED decidueye just because there was expectation that a new pokemon from gen 7 had to be playable because Pokemon gets new characters every game. Because there's 3 more playable pokemon now, I'm not so sure. Nothing to do with his grass typing imo.

Some legit just wanted a grass type to complete the fire-water-grass triangle.

Like how Cosmic said it was "his greatest advantage"

Normal toad is heavily involved in daisy/peach grabs/neutral b, he's not just a doll anymore, he actually shows up full character and does the work on his own.
Still a chance captain toad gets in, but significantly less likely.

That doesn't deconfirm Captain Toad, imo. Only the regular Toad.

Captain Toad is visually distinct due to his different clothing.

 

[MysticKnives]

I think Bullet Seed has been confirmed. I thought I saw Kirby using it with the Ivysaur hat.

What I'm wondering is...is Charizard's Side B Rock Smash or Flare Blitz? I hope it's Flare Blitz.

I think ESAM said Charizard lost Rock Smash.

 

[Nielicus]

This game doesn’t feel real lol and honestly I have 0 clue which newcomers they’ll add this time. I wouldn’t be mad if we didn’t get that many at all and they just focused on overhauling the vets and making cool modes.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I supported him because of how a fighter with plant based moves (aside from Ivysaur) interested me, and because of the playstyle he'd have with archery, moreso than the three Links and the two Pits, and potential for a Ghost type move or two as well. He just really interested me the most out of potential Gen 7 newcomers, but now I don't really care if we get a Pokemon newcomer or not on the base roster, I feel like we could definitely get one as DLC.

You're a true Decidueye supporter then. Nice to meet you.

 

[Nani?]

Oh wait someone's playing PT right now? Is the treehouse on or something?

Not right now, but we've got some gameplay.

 

[Pakky]

So, who are you guys going to main or secondary. I have so many picks, like BOTW Link, Toon Link (have to think about Young Link), Greninja, Lucario, Marth and Roy among many. I might as well try every character, as I probably could main random if I chose to.

: main

: second

RIDELY, THOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!: Third

And probably dabble in many but these are just my initial thoughts.

 

[Murlough]

So, who are you guys going to main or secondary? I have so many picks, like BOTW Link, Toon Link (have to think about Young Link), Greninja, Lucario, Marth and Roy among many. I might as well try every character, as I probably could main random if I chose to.

Sticking to Palutena. Reflecting counter is too sexy.

I'm gonna go Pichu or Pikachu Libre as my secondary unless Mimikyu gets announced. MIGHT/REALLY WANT to play Daisy but I suck at Peach....

 

[lltacx]

Now that Pokemon Trainer is back, I'll be honest...I feel like that character alone takes care of the "starters" thing I cared so much about.

...I'm getting back on the Meowth train! WOO WOO!

Meowth has been confirmed as a Pokeball though

 

[Diddy Kong]

I don't think Pokemon, Zelda and Mario are getting any more reps.

Impa as a Echo Fighter makes too much sense now. Especially since all Zelda characters are basically having a different design, well except maybe Sheik, Ganondorf and Young Link being from OOT. It's still not impossible, and I have a hard time thinking of better fitting Echo Fighters at this point.

King K.Rool seems very likely tho, and I really think he'll be revealed whenever a new DKC is announced.

 

[Nani?]

Impa as a Echo Fighter makes too much sense now. Especially since all Zelda characters are basically having a different design, well except maybe Sheik, Ganondorf and Young Link being from OOT. It's still not impossible, and I have a hard time thinking of better fitting Echo Fighters at this point.

King K.Rool seems very likely tho, and I really think he'll be revealed whenever a new DKC is announced.

After that Ridley reveal, I think his chances have increased.

 

[FantasticMr.StarPit]

I think the lighting is off on characters like Mario and Pikachu, at least compared to their renders.

But considering all the graphical changes from E3 2014 to Smash 4's launch, they'll probably fix them.

I hope, Wolf's render looks pretty bad; along with Snake's & Ganondorf.

 

[PeridotGX]

Just checked the Disconfirmed list, Meowth is out.

Normal toad is heavily involved in daisy/peach grabs/neutral b, he's not just a doll anymore, he actually shows up full character and does the work on his own.
Still a chance captain toad gets in, but significantly less likely.

This disconfirmed Toad, not Captian Toad.

So, who are you guys going to main or secondary? I have so many picks, like BOTW Link, Toon Link (have to think about Young Link), Greninja, Lucario, Marth and Roy among many. I might as well try every character, as I probably could main random if I chose to.

Inklings look incredibly fun, and Pokémon Trainer looks cool too.

 

[?????????????]

I like Decidueye and all, but if I'm talking about personal Pokemon desires, it's Meowth and Sceptile.


Now then...is there a comprehensive, updating list of confirmed Assist Trophies and Pokeballs, or is that changing so much that no one's bothered?

 

[StrangeMann]

Impa as a Echo Fighter makes too much sense now. Especially since all Zelda characters are basically having a different design, well except maybe Sheik, Ganondorf and Young Link being from OOT. It's still not impossible, and I have a hard time thinking of better fitting Echo Fighters at this point.

King K.Rool seems very likely tho, and I really think he'll be revealed whenever a new DKC is announced.

That actually makes pretty good sense, although I don't know if we'll be seeing a new DKC before December.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Lightning Chariot is cool but it makes more sense for Pittoo imo

Well Pit did earn the Lightning Chariot, so atleast that’s a thing (I’ll miss the Three Sacred Treasures though)

Yes! Shoulder bash is back! Thank you Sakurai!

Praise Be Thy Wario

I honestly don't think they mind just straight up deleting an AT from the game should they decide to add someone like Waluigi, Takamaru or Lyn, with there allegedly being over 100 of them in the game it's not something worth keeping a hugely popular character out because of.

Over 100 ATs...oh god the celebration

 

[Troykv]

Franchises that I'm sure will not get newcomer unless a echo clone happens.

- Zelda
- Mother
- Star Fox
- These other franchises with one clear representative.

Wild Cards? (getting newcomers and/or Echoes?

- Mario (already has an new Echo)
- Fire Emblem
- Wario
- Animal Crossing

Franchises it seems the most likely to get characters this time; but outside of the last one; are just complete "perhaps"

- Donkey Kong
- Kirby
- Pokémon
- Xenoblade

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Sheik

Sheik actually uses the Stealth suit from Breath of the Wild.

 

[Deleted member]

I wanted Decidueye because it's my 3rd favorite Pokemon and because it fills a niche that wasn't filled by any character in Smash history.
Not because of some arbitrary "starter trio".
I've been saying that for ages now