VA
Smash Hero
only fools don't buffer! and yeah he can still grab you, swizzy does it to me all the time. I basically never miss shine nair shine nair SHFFL's but he always gets me anyway.
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Professor Pro
Smash Legend
If he's grabbing you, you're obviously not doing it right.
No1 grabs me when I do the Nair on the fast falling part of the jump to shine and continue.
No1 grabs me when I do the Nair on the fast falling part of the jump to shine and continue.
looool
Just fix it, I've had my controller since release and I've had a few screwed up buttons but it's nothing some repairing won't fix usually.
Fuzzyness
The Reality!
Inertia123
Smash Journeyman
Brilliant. At least he has chicken : /
VA
Smash Hero
I'm pretty consistent with it thanks, I think you'd benefit from looking at this.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=109595
Bair has more shield stun and you can definitely be grabbed in between bair shines. I've done this to swizzy
nair > shine
and he grabs me very quickly after the shine like before my jump has even started. this is without powershield obv.
ShieldGrabbing:
takes 7 frames, so any pressure w/ a disadvantage of 8 frames or greater can be shield grabbed
Fuzzyness
The Reality!
1f to shield grab 1/60th of a second
VA
Smash Hero
no?
ShieldGrabbing:
takes 7 frames, so any pressure w/ a disadvantage of 8 frames or greater can be shield grabbed
ShieldGrabbing:
takes 7 frames, so any pressure w/ a disadvantage of 8 frames or greater can be shield grabbed
Fuzzyness
The Reality!
shine is 1 frame dude, so if he has 8 frames of lag then you only have 1 frame to grab
but there is buffering yes
get on msn robby D:
but there is buffering yes
get on msn robby D:
VA
Smash Hero
that doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever...one of us is getting this totally wrong...and I think it's you haha.
If you multishine perfectly, they can't grab you ofc. but what I got from reading the guide is that there is room to grab most other forms of pressure.
If you multishine perfectly, they can't grab you ofc. but what I got from reading the guide is that there is room to grab most other forms of pressure.
J03
Smash Master
shine takes one frame but then jumping takes 3 frames and so on. i remember reading the same thread and coming to the same conclusions as robby
Inertia123
Smash Journeyman
I now can't make tomorrow Fuzzy.... I'm flaking more than Retroking ffs : /
Just got called and told I have new job induction so can't really miss it lol
Just got called and told I have new job induction so can't really miss it lol
Alpha Dash
Smash Ace
I'm good for wednesdays saturdays or sundays, those are the days I have work. Next time we do organize something I'll make sure we'll be there from early, Prof was the reason why we were so late last time lol.
X1-12
Smash Champion
I think Fuzzy means that you only have a 1 frame window to press the grab button in, as you have 8 frames when not in stun and it takes 7 to execute the grab
Fuzzyness
The Reality!
takes 7 frames, so any pressure w/ a disadvantage of 8 frames or greater can be shield grabbed
if fox uses b air (8 frames of lag) you have 1 frame (8th frame) to get the grab before the shine comes out
on the 9th frame he will shine
if fox uses b air (8 frames of lag) you have 1 frame (8th frame) to get the grab before the shine comes out
on the 9th frame he will shine
Bullet Bill
Smash Master
Fuzzyness
The Reality!
well you can mash it or buffer it lol
J03
Smash Master
its prolly a silly question but how do you buffer a grab?
Fuzzyness
The Reality!
its cool joe, I won edster without knowing about or how to JC grab :D when I went to glasgow zeppo was like wtf LOL
VA
Smash Hero
you don't? Buffering is using the c-stick to move out of your shield at the soonest available frame by holding left/right or up, left or right dodges, up makes you jump. A cool way to practice it is to get a sheik to full needles your shield and then hold a direction to see it in action, looks hot imo.
Also charles has it completely wrong, you need to the properties of the shield again. Basically an attack stuns your shield, meaning you cannot act for X amount of frames. In the thread I linked the info on bair states that your shield takes 16 frames of stun from a bair, then the l-cancel takes 13 frames before you can shine again. Meaning you can be shield grabbed (no disadvantage less than 8 frames). Which was my original point. Yes you have to time it well.
Also charles has it completely wrong, you need to the properties of the shield again. Basically an attack stuns your shield, meaning you cannot act for X amount of frames. In the thread I linked the info on bair states that your shield takes 16 frames of stun from a bair, then the l-cancel takes 13 frames before you can shine again. Meaning you can be shield grabbed (no disadvantage less than 8 frames). Which was my original point. Yes you have to time it well.
Fuzzyness
The Reality!
falco's d air gives a lot of shield stun
I RINSE
I RINSE
VA
Smash Hero
lol you're only safe after the first dair, you can be grabbed so easily if you dair pillar them as Falco. Which is why Mango uses nair and spaces it to trick them into grabbing, you have to space dair pillars behind them to avoid SG and it's still risky.
VA
Smash Hero
That's not buffering because you jump? It sounds good on paper but I don't think that works.
you can buffer spot dodges too
"Buffering Shield Grabs:
Hold up-c (with thumb over A) when shield drops, press A (don't release R/L).
Takes 9 Frames to come out."
But they did also mention this: "A highly theoretical concept, buffering a jump out of a shield and JCing that into something to guarantee you're not being cheated on frames.
Hold Up on the C-stick in shield stun. From the frame the shield drops you have 1 frame to input your JC (frame 1: shield drops, frame 2: input JC, frame 3: JC, frame 4: airborne if missed window). ".
So I'm not sure if it's still just theory or if it's been put into practice.
It was mentioned in the thread.
"Buffering Shield Grabs:
Hold up-c (with thumb over A) when shield drops, press A (don't release R/L).
Takes 9 Frames to come out."
But they did also mention this: "A highly theoretical concept, buffering a jump out of a shield and JCing that into something to guarantee you're not being cheated on frames.
Hold Up on the C-stick in shield stun. From the frame the shield drops you have 1 frame to input your JC (frame 1: shield drops, frame 2: input JC, frame 3: JC, frame 4: airborne if missed window). ".
So I'm not sure if it's still just theory or if it's been put into practice.
Fuzzyness
The Reality!
sounds weird to me
VA
Smash Hero
that's what I was saying, and I know you can buffer a spot dodge too it just seems pointless. The useful ones are the ones I chose to mention. Frame perfect JC grabs from shield is kind of ridiculous, goes in the same box as being able to JC shine 100%.
VA
Smash Hero
I should be around, and yeah you're welcome to come round.
Alpha Dash
Smash Ace
she got friends?
J03
Smash Master
please listen to VA, i know 100% that he is correct. when i hit a sheild ill use the few frames i have to get behind the sheild as its the most advantagous posistion, from there you just have to space your attack and its all good.
PS. VA is right
PS. VA is right
i dont want you cramping my style!!
VA
Smash Hero
um...no no no?
you can buffer things out of shield in melee using the c-stick (jumps and dodges), that's it I think. In brawl you can buffer attacks, not melee.
But thinking about jabs, maybe you can with Z or something? but it seems worthless, the best use of buffering by far is rolling.
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
What are these dumb questions about can you buffer grabs and buffer A buttons lol.
I don't think people understand what buffering is.
Feels like I haven't posted for awhile, *** everybody
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I don't think people understand what buffering is.
Feels like I haven't posted for awhile, *** everybody
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VA
Smash Hero
Buffer grabs is pretty much impossible. But you can buffer attacks in Brawl, dumb game (joke)
wait,i understand now!
so lets say mario gets invincibility on frame 4 of his roll, any shield pressure with a disadvantage of 5 frames can be buffer rolled out of?
thanks VA
if you can buffer a jump u can effectively buffer grabs no? but that would be freakishly hard
so lets say mario gets invincibility on frame 4 of his roll, any shield pressure with a disadvantage of 5 frames can be buffer rolled out of?
thanks VA
if you can buffer a jump u can effectively buffer grabs no? but that would be freakishly hard
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
You can buffer a jump with holding te c-stick up while you sheild.
But it wouldn't get you out of a grab so that doesn't make much sense lol
Spamming buttons hard gets you out of grabs.
To put it simple buffer just gets you out of a situation where you're lag free.
Oh you asked what situation this is useful in???
When someone is shield pressuring you just hold the c-stick and you will roll on a available frame.....THAT'S THE ONLY REALLY USEFUL BUFFER IN THE GAME!!!!
Edit - If you want anythingelse just ask me on msn.
But it wouldn't get you out of a grab so that doesn't make much sense lol
Spamming buttons hard gets you out of grabs.
To put it simple buffer just gets you out of a situation where you're lag free.
Oh you asked what situation this is useful in???
When someone is shield pressuring you just hold the c-stick and you will roll on a available frame.....THAT'S THE ONLY REALLY USEFUL BUFFER IN THE GAME!!!!
Edit - If you want anythingelse just ask me on msn.