Heartstring
Smash Legend
QFT
isnt wobbling meant to be really hard to do anyway? i mean anything in melee is hard for moi but even for those with asian co-ordination have troble with this right?
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isnt wobbling meant to be really hard to do anyway? i mean anything in melee is hard for moi but even for those with asian co-ordination have troble with this right?
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
lol
Well as much as I appreciate your comment , honestly on most of those videos I wasn't playing nearly a good as I could of, not in a 'I was choking' fashion but genuinely in a 'I wasn't trying my hardest' way.But i'm going Alpha Dash house soonish as he doesn't have work today and we're gonna record some sets, and im uploading the ones i'm playing properly cos Alpha Dash keeps on raging and deleting them everytime it happens, literally just ceasing the capturing and deleteing it lol.
lol I'm not gonna lie, obviously I was trying to win, but I wasn't going out of my way to win.
I thought that was pretty obvious in the fact that I wasn't really platform camping since that's one of the key things Fox has to do in that matchup, plus I didn't really think you wanted me to platform camp you and play gay and play seriously in a friendly set but maybe you did to gain experience or just have a serious set, I dunno lol....
This post isn't trying to take a shot a you though obv.
Yeah, basically...J3ly was just raging and being moany last time about it and saying if we do it it's definitely being banned otherwise he's not doing the crew battle....but it's a tournament acceptable rule in the UK lol
And it's not easy to setup and is avoidable and you have to do it over like 30/40% otherwise the majority of the time they can get out.
I played Smakis at GT4 and beat him 2-0 and he didn't wobble me once cos he never got the chance.....and plus when Wobbling is allowed, no IC's ever wins the tournament, deeming it legal. So in short, it's on
Heartstring
Smash Legend
well it should be allowed then surely...
if you cant deal with it then surely thats somethnig youve got to work on rather than cry till its banned...
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
Well that would be the normal humans logic.
But adding J3ly to the equation means you experience extreme and ******** amounts of variables of change
But adding J3ly to the equation means you experience extreme and ******** amounts of variables of change
Retroking2000
Smash Master
its not only from those matches on the channel i have seen the way you have been playing at the smashfest tourneys aswell. + GT4 being 7 - 1 pretty convincing .
well maybe cause fox is both counters to falcon / peach looooool but still your play is really good.
i didnt mean to knock charles / VA for their play as well just seeing thoses matches i can see why you won XD i guess its sort of a A B C kind of thing
also prof was you 100% serious about travelling outside of england cause you could be a really strong european player lol
also jely wth no mario now your so generic looooooooool
ALSO GOOD LUCK AT BEAST YOU GUYS you know who you are lol
also about the Crew MM thing i dont know why people just chat about it but never do it
but in all honestly charles started it with saying tesco could beat OOC loool
but i would like to see that happen so i could giggle at the loser
you guys have been posting back and forth so much not to go through with it
well maybe cause fox is both counters to falcon / peach looooool but still your play is really good.
i didnt mean to knock charles / VA for their play as well just seeing thoses matches i can see why you won XD i guess its sort of a A B C kind of thing
also prof was you 100% serious about travelling outside of england cause you could be a really strong european player lol
also jely wth no mario now your so generic looooooooool
ALSO GOOD LUCK AT BEAST YOU GUYS you know who you are lol
also about the Crew MM thing i dont know why people just chat about it but never do it
but in all honestly charles started it with saying tesco could beat OOC loool
but i would like to see that happen so i could giggle at the loser
you guys have been posting back and forth so much not to go through with it
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
loool Well I do appreciate that a lot
Plus I beat Charles at VA's smashfest when he was playing seriously 6-2.....and before people begin to say it wasn't serious, fuck you because those SAME people who were saying VA's smashfest wasn't serious was LITERALLY the exact same people who were claiming that Me losing to Smakis at that fest meant something and that apparently J3ly nearly ***** me which proves I struggle with him
So when I beat Charles and VA it means nothing, but when I lose it means something
And Fox doesn't counter peach, it's just slightly in foxes favour lol...but ridiculously in foxes if you play the matchup extremely well which is obv very hard to do.
I want to go through with the MM....I just don't understand how someone could say they would beat another team with so much confidence, that there's only one good player on the team which can't do that much damage to other team, and the rest or basically nothing, but then cowardly back down from the offer the other team member is making loool....
Not much confidence there
Plus I beat Charles at VA's smashfest when he was playing seriously 6-2.....and before people begin to say it wasn't serious, fuck you because those SAME people who were saying VA's smashfest wasn't serious was LITERALLY the exact same people who were claiming that Me losing to Smakis at that fest meant something and that apparently J3ly nearly ***** me which proves I struggle with him
So when I beat Charles and VA it means nothing, but when I lose it means something
And Fox doesn't counter peach, it's just slightly in foxes favour lol...but ridiculously in foxes if you play the matchup extremely well which is obv very hard to do.
I want to go through with the MM....I just don't understand how someone could say they would beat another team with so much confidence, that there's only one good player on the team which can't do that much damage to other team, and the rest or basically nothing, but then cowardly back down from the offer the other team member is making loool....
Not much confidence there
Bullet Bill
Smash Master
It'd be great if you could try and play your best in some of these recorded matches prof. I know they're not important matches, but they make for some very nice vids esp for fox players like me. Def looking forward to watching some more of themlol
But i'm going Alpha Dash house soonish as he doesn't have work today and we're gonna record some sets, and im uploading the ones i'm playing properly cos Alpha Dash keeps on raging and deleting them everytime it happens, literally just ceasing the capturing and deleteing it lol.
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
I agree, how awful my crew is is an equal comparison to how awful your life expectancy and health is
But my bet wasn't really offered to you, my £20 bet was offered to Deathgazer, but it seems like he's running to you lot because he's too afriad to the money up himself
lol Fair enough that is a good point about the whole supplying good vids on what to do and whatnot.
Gantz is gonna be there today as well so there will be more matches of different people to upload and I promise I will be playing properly, the only question is if I can get Dujuan to not delete the flipping videos when I play him properly and it's **** lol.
Cos it pisses me off, everytime I play properly and **** him he claims he plays bad when really he's getting dominated lol.
Gantz def won't do it though, so I should get some good games against him.
But thanks for being interesting in the matches
I hope to make the OoC Channel an active channel since there isn't much in the UKwobbling is like, supereasy to do
it's the synched grab that is a pain to get =), <3 for using me as an example prof, all too kind (even with the obvious choking going on)
john this, sandbag that etc etc now for this seriously stupid crew battle. Prof, stop trying to provoke them in order to make them back out (like always), tesco, split the frikkin 20 pounds and get it over with.
20 pounds (split between members), gt4 rules, accept or decline, if you accept, do it at the next event and stfu until then, if you decline, SHUT THE **** UP forever.
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it's the synched grab that is a pain to get =), <3 for using me as an example prof, all too kind (even with the obvious choking going on
)john this, sandbag that etc etc now for this seriously stupid crew battle. Prof, stop trying to provoke them in order to make them back out (like always), tesco, split the frikkin 20 pounds and get it over with.
20 pounds (split between members), gt4 rules, accept or decline, if you accept, do it at the next event and stfu until then, if you decline, SHUT THE **** UP forever.
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Professor Pro
Smash Legend
lol No, I don't want it to be a group MM, I'm calling Deathgazer out for his statements and I want specifically Deathgazer to put forth the £20 as I will with my money.wobbling is like, supereasy to do
it's the synched grab that is a pain to get =), <3 for using me as an example prof, all too kind (even with the obvious choking going on
john this, sandbag that etc etc now for this seriously stupid crew battle. Prof, stop trying to provoke them in order to make them back out (like always), tesco, split the frikkin 20 pounds and get it over with.
20 pounds (split between members), gt4 rules, accept or decline, if you accept, do it at the next event and stfu until then, if you decline, SHUT THE **** UP forever.
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He's the one who has confidently stuck by his statements of being able to beat us but yet is afriad and not confident to bet money and reduces the amount lol, there's no provoking to back out going on, if he said ok it would have been the end....
And I used you as an example cos obv your IC's are amazing (don't get too happy lol
) and if you didn't get it on me then obviously it's not some extremely broken tactic worthy of banning lol.My offer is a £20 offer to Deathgazer with his money and I will put up my own £20....since he feels they can't lose he shouldn't worry.
Edit - Yeah I know wobbling itself is easy and it's the synched grab which is hard to get but when I say wobbling that's what I basically mean instead of saying sync grabbed lol.
lol if I'm gonna be honest this statement doesn't make much sense, it's her worst matchup. :| I mean sure if you don't camp it's nowhere near as bad but if you're talking matchups then you have to act like both people are playing at the same level/properly.
And loooooooooooooooool at j3ly *****ing about wobbling, is Dujuan that threatening to you?
I know what you meant sweetie =P
and I also know that's the reason you want to make him bet the money, but seriously, we both know that aint gonna happen, when you people go at it for various reasons it can be pretty entertaining, but this crew battle **** is just so dull now ^^
almost forgot, like Edwin said, start traveling *****, seriously how about a "sponsor prof to beast" fund? 20 pounds is nothing =D
and I also know that's the reason you want to make him bet the money, but seriously, we both know that aint gonna happen, when you people go at it for various reasons it can be pretty entertaining, but this crew battle **** is just so dull now ^^
almost forgot, like Edwin said, start traveling *****, seriously how about a "sponsor prof to beast" fund? 20 pounds is nothing =D
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
NOOO IT'S NOT HER WORST MATCHUP LOL!!! So you're wrong there.
She has TOO much to punish fox with and the easiness of it for it be her worst matchup, it only becomes her worst in the perfect world and perfect gameplay which is the world we don't live in.
Marth is still BLATANLY her worst matchup if the Marth has knowledge of the matchup and the execution of what to do
So my statement does make sense.
Fox is not a Peach counter, and you don't play either and I play both so fuck you lol!
I will make it if it's for £20 and Deathgazer bets it, and please reveal the reason behind me bringing up a £20 MM other then to get the opponent scared and take their money lol?
Honestly that's not even the problem anymore lol...if I wanted to go now I really could go my parents wouldn't mind
The real issue is that my Passport is out of date and obviously you need the passport to travel lol.....which is why I posted like a week ago talking about updating it but don't worry that will happen over time and then I will be going to European events.
So yeah, once that's done I can actually start going and ******.
She punishes marth like mad too lol
You could say the same thing about Fox/Jiggs too but that's obviously still Fox favour.
oh lol fair enough, maybe we could set up a prof passport fund lol (though I dunno why it's ot of date unless you never got an adult one :s).
I don't quite get that part, I never said anything about there being a different reason? Or did some confusion arise because I said 20 pounds? (that's the price for the flight tickets to beast)
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
No, you're wrong lol.
And yeah you can use the Jiggz/Fox as an example for clarify my point of one character being able to punish other characters but it still being their worst matchup.....but that statement doesn't include other characters in the game.
Marth/Jiggs/CF
Have a better advanatage in the up-to-date metagame against peach then fox does, the matchup is still in foxes favour, but these 3 characters you could claim as being peaches Worst Match Up/Counters.
BUT FOX ISN'T A COUNTER FOR PEACH!!!
Since when do you really see Foxes dominanting Peaches to call it her worst matchup....Unless you're talking about a fox playing perfectly which no-one does then it's not
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
loool Skimming = me reading it wrong....soz.
Fuzzyness
The Reality!
Just save up like £70 or whatever it costs, cause the passport lasts for 10 years its worth it, if you havent had a 18+ adult passport before it should be free
yeah sure just message me sometime when you wanna come
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
lol Jolteon where is your sig from of Mew2king saying that and who did he say it to???
Fuzzy - It should be free???
I never knew that, how sure are you about this information....just so you know I haven't had one for YEARSSS like since I was a kid and apparently I was signed onto my mum's passport lol.
So would I be entitled to that?
Fuzzy - It should be free???
I never knew that, how sure are you about this information....just so you know I haven't had one for YEARSSS like since I was a kid and apparently I was signed onto my mum's passport lol.
So would I be entitled to that?
Fuzzyness
The Reality!
its not free lol
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
Well I lie about me being 15 and getting a Child Travelcard.....time to take it to the big leagues and lie about me being born in 1929 lol
lol
Fuzzyness
The Reality!
check my message again
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
Yeah I know.....I was only joking about me lying about being born 1929 lol.
It'd clarify my point.
How does it not apply to other chars in the game? See: Fox vs lots of low tiers.
If it's still in Fox's favour, then Fox counters Peach. Basic logic.
Jiggs/Peach is pretty even, and Marth's matchup with Peach in the current metagame is much worse than it used to be. CF I guess does have an advantage, but then again Peach also has the whole thing where she heavily punishes CF if you're using that to argue that Peach isn't countered by Fox.
m2k's fox beat armada's peach, too bad he just went marth again and lost.
click on the blue square thingy near m2k's name and it'll bring you to the original post/thread lol.
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
What im saying, your point about the Jiggs/Fox thing doesn't help confirm anything about Fox being a counter for peach...which is why it's pretty much irrelevant.
A matchup simply being in someones favour is not called a counter, you even know that so I don't know why you are making the claim of 'In someones favour = Counter' as a counter in this community and the general use of the term is when a matchup is considerably in one players favour.
So you can get precise with the words and the origins or actually use it how it's being used lol.
Mew2king beats Armada with fox on PS where he always beats him cos he knows how to work that stage, but his fox loses more to him mostly on every other stage......not enough proof that Fox is a counter or the worst matchup.
Jiggs vs Peach is not 50/50....that matchup is undeniably in Jiggs favour, it's HARD for peach to kill Jiggs and far from the same vice versa.
And yes Peach has a good punish game against CF but CF just has grab > auto combo which dramatically outweighs that, also with the fact that it's harder for her to get into Falcon with the speed.
No offence or anything but really your opinion in this case is invalid since the fact is kind of already established, Fox isn't a counter for Peach and it's not her worst matchup.
You could try to work around it....but if you pay attention to how things are going with the current meta-game and know the characters themselves....you will see that fox is not her worst threat....of course as I said you play the matchup perfectly.
Yes, I agree. But I will say that it does prove that a strong punish game alone does not hold as much weight as you're making it sound like it does, even if said character has much more than just their punish game.
Actually, no I don't. A counter is simply someone who has an advantageous matchup. Now, whether it is a soft counter or a hard counter is a different story. The bottomline is that Fox is infact a Peach counter, though I will agree that it is a soft counter.
Yes, but Fox also has so many more stage selections that are still terrible for Peach to work around. RC, Pokefloats, DL64 etc.
Also, it's pretty difficult to provide lots of proof of one character ****** the other if it's not a large advantage.
Whether it's 45:55, 50:50 or 55:45 isn't really a big deal. The point is that for a matchup that is seen as arguably even or close to it, it doesn't hold a lot of weight.
Fox has SO MUCH that Falcon doesn't have (and also is fast) which helps loads against Peach which easily outweighs Peach's punish game and gives him an advantage.
You know I don't take offence to this lol.
I think Fox is her worst threat, so do loads of other people. That's subjective though. Fox is a Peach counter, that alone is objective.
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
Since when in this community have we used the phrase 'Soft counter' 'Hard counter' we just straight up give numbers or says it's in one person favour or say it's a counter lol....
The majortiy of people know that Fox isn't Peaches worst threat......you can have your opinion but your opinion is based on playing perfectly and not what results are showing up.
The fact that Armada is actually trying to improve his sheik against CF's and has offered MM's against every CF player at B.E.A.S.T so he can get better at the matchup because he knows that the CF matchup against peach is gay is further proof of Fox not being the worst matchup for her.
Fox does have a lot of gay stages which assist in being gay and the matchup being in his favour, but it's not her worst matchup since tournaments which PokeFloats will be allowed so will Mute City and stages where RC will be allowed so will Brinstar and in both cases they would be banned by one another.
FURTHER proof is whenever do you really see Peach players complaining about foxes???
But you do hear them complain about Marths/Jiggs/CF's
The problem with your arguement is it's mostly based on theory of what could be done, mine is based on what's actually happening....and results prove Fox is not Peach's worst matchup currently.
It's used in all fighting game communities, Smash players tend to use it less but that doesn't mean that the definition changes.
Obviously there's no point of both of us saying that "loads of people say x or y" unless we have empirical data to back it up, so let's just drop this one.
He might just dislike the matchup, it's really his decision what counters he decides to use and that decision has many more factors than how bad a matchup is. I mean, I don't see him picking up someone specifically for Marth (who you claim is Peach's worst matchup). That is proof enough that a bad matchup is not the deciding factor of counterpicking.
For argument's sake, let's say both Mute and Pokefloats are banned.
Fox has:
PS
DL64
RC
KJ64
Peach has:
Yoshi's
FD
Brinstar
Fox clearly wins on stage selections.
I see a lot of players complain about Fox. I just didn't think it was relevant enough to bring that up. *****ing about Jiggs especially holds no weight since every single character choice in the game has people who main them who do nothing but ***** about her like it's their job.
Actually I do agree that I'm basing it on high level play, but that's what it should be based on. Currently there's like one REALLY good peach, one really good fox and a bunch of good foxes. When there's more top level Foxes it will become very apparent that Fox is a Peach counter.
Also, can you honestly say you're not basing it on theory when claiming that Marth is really Peach's worst matchup? What results prove that Marth is Peach's worst matchup?
VA
Smash Hero
Erm, prof.
I asked you to camp, I said you have to platform camp, you also said "time to camp". Also, honestly I thought you didn't care about winning so I was like whatever and stopped playing when I was about to win on DL.
Don't bother saying you didn't care at all otherwise you wouldn't of "time to tried" or "time to camp".
I wasn't at full tilt, I know you weren't either. I just wanted to win!
I asked you to camp, I said you have to platform camp, you also said "time to camp". Also, honestly I thought you didn't care about winning so I was like whatever and stopped playing when I was about to win on DL.
Don't bother saying you didn't care at all otherwise you wouldn't of "time to tried" or "time to camp".
I wasn't at full tilt, I know you weren't either. I just wanted to win!
Fuzzyness
The Reality!
Heartstring
Smash Legend
*****es need to stop talking about matchup so much, if youre better than the opponent then chances are youre going to win, and vice versa. unless its a srs counter, in which case you only reall need three ratings
countered
favoured
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im in a blunt mood today
countered
favoured
even
im in a blunt mood today
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
I just comeback from not being on smashboard for a day and a bit and really can't be bothered to progress too much in this debate lol.
If Fox was really Peach's worst matchup then Peach overall would be winning a lot more events then they do...but you have to face the fact that your arguement is based on what COULD be done and not what is currently happening in the scene....which is why my point still stands more then yours of it not being a counter....and there's no way you can detract from that statement because overall at this current moment...peaches are having more trouble with Jiggz/CF.
Though I do and have already agreed it would be her worst matchup if people were to play it perfectly which is obv very hard, atm it's not.
lol Yeah I did say 'time to camp' when we were just about to play DL64 but I think if you watch the match it was CLEARLY obvious I changed my mind just cos when the match started I couldn't be bothered to camp...otherwise you would have seen me on the top platform running away atleast once and I don't think I did the entire match
And I use the 'TTT' tag and say 'Time To Try' a lot lately lol....but it doesn't mean I do and ironically most of the time I say it I play serious half the match and then end up sandbagging....so if you're trying to claim that I was playing seriously then you're completely wrong....not saying I was sandbagging but I wasn't going out of my way AT ALL!!!
Either way im just saying I wasn't really trying to win lol....if you were fair enough but I know I wasn't....otherwise it would have been **** IMHO lol
And you said I wouldn't have comeback if you were trying on DL, but sorry, you wouldn't have even got the lead if I was lol.
This lol! As we always have.
PROFESSOR PRO RECORDED MATCHES OF HIM PLAYING MORE SERIOUSLY!!!!
I recorded them against OOC and tried to play more serious this time lol, of course it was kinda destruction on some of the matches which is why im looking forward to uploading them, but my dad is being gay and is doing something with my computer so they might be up to 2moro....SOME OF THE MATCHES WERE ACTUALLY **** THOUGH, lol!!!!
SUBSCRIBE!!!! www.youtube.com/user/OoCSmashBaby
J03
Smash Master
Happy Christmas Folks
PS. i imagine you all still suck!
PS. i imagine you all still suck!
VA
Smash Hero
Some of us are good
But most of us suck yeah.
Also
I don't care about friendlies!
But
Merry Christmas Everyone!
And
Fox ***** Peach hard if it's done right. If it's played right, there's not a lot she can do, if it's played wrong she can mess him up.
But most of us suck yeah.
Also
I don't care about friendlies!
But
Merry Christmas Everyone!
And
Fox ***** Peach hard if it's done right. If it's played right, there's not a lot she can do, if it's played wrong she can mess him up.
Retroking2000
Smash Master
the people going beast should all meet up somewhere for a couple of days of practice