Official Smash for Switch 2 - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[DarthEnderX]

You gotta pay the Koei Tecmo tax to get your Hyrule Warriors character

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[Laniv]

Since Hyrule Warriors is a full blown franchise with three games now (and all on the Switch)... Do you think we'll see Hyrule Warriors content in Smash?

"Sakurai! Give me HW alts for the main trio and my life is yours!"

 

[fogbadge]

Koei Tecmo (specifically Kou Shibusawa) worked on Three Houses and lot of the parts of that game were made by them alongside Intelligent Systems.

and it’s their fault we have 4 paths

 

[Ivander]

and it’s their fault we have 4 paths

Jesse...crossroads have 4 paths and existed long before Koei Tecmo did.

 

[DarthEnderX]

crossroads have 4 paths

Yeah, but usually one of those paths is the direction you came from. So you're only choosing between 3 paths forward.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

and it’s their fault we have 4 paths

Three Hopes only had 3 routes which was also developed by Koei Tecmo so it was probably because of Intelligent Systems.

Fire Emblem Fates had a secret 3rd Route despite the marketing focusing on the main two.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Jesse...crossroads have 4 paths and existed long before Koei Tecmo did.

Yeah, but usually one of those paths is the direction you came from. So you're only choosing between 3 paths forward.

I could be wrong, but I think they meant story paths in Fire Emblem: Three Houses.

Although I think there's technically 5 with DLC, and one of them I was told was pretty much just Golden Deer's Path again.

 

[Ivander]

Yeah, but usually one of those paths is the direction you came from. So you're only choosing between 3 paths forward.

But you can turn around and go the path you came from forward too.

I could be wrong, but I think they meant story paths in Fire Emblem: Three Houses.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Although I think there's technically 5 with DLC, and one of them I was told was pretty much just Golden Deer's Path again.

Golden Deer is actually the copy outside of the Final Boss since Silver Snow which is the route for Black Eagles where non of the lords are available after the time split was written first.

DLC is more like a side story that was an excuse to have all 3 lords the entire time rather the just the prologue. Its more like a what if scenario since the new characters introduced act like they never knew Byleth when unlocked in the main story.

 

[smashkirby]

I have been thinking about this lately with Cractus in Move It and Wario potentially trying to use Puffy Wario (last seen in Wario Land 4 in 2001 unless you count Wario's appearance in Starfy 3 in 2004 lol) in the ending to get out of the seat he gets stuck in, would love to see Wario Land come back with all these revivals flying around lately.

And considering Mona's theme in Mega Party Games is a remix of the Item Shop from Wario Land 4 and in DIY she went and explored an ancient temple, I'd be down for Mona joining in in either role you mentioned.

I should mention that Mona herself has off-handedly remarked that Wario has apparently taken her along on some of his treasure-hunting expeditions, so it's not as though she'd be a newbie to such a thing.

Still though, I wonder if she'd share Wario's 'power-ups' or if she'd have her own methods for gameplay...

Is there any possible way to represent Picross with a playable character?

I could have sworn that Picross had a not-Mario mascot of sorts...?

 

[Will]

You could totally make Nintendogs playable in a similar way that Duck Hunt fights where you have a background character doing things with the DS stylus as the dogs do tricks and other things.

Just a random thought I had recently

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You could totally make Nintendogs playable in a similar way that Duck Hunt fights where you have a background character doing things with the DS stylus as the dogs do tricks and other things.

Just a random thought I had recently

This is an idea I've brought up a couple times, but it was pretty vehemently disliked due to the fact you'd have to fight a regular dog. Duck Hunt gets away with it because they're so cartoony, but Nintendogs get too close to animal abuse for most people's liking. This was never brought up, but the fact that they wouldn't be fighting contextually probably makes things worse.

There does exist a RoboPup option in Nintendogs + Cats, but picking the only option in a pet simulator that isn't a real pet seems kinda odd, and it doesn't help that it's only appeared in 1 game, and requires unlocking before you can get one. I'd be down for it if that's what they went with though.

 

[fogbadge]

Three Hopes only had 3 routes which was also developed by Koei Tecmo so it was probably because of Intelligent Systems.

Fire Emblem Fates had a secret 3rd Route despite the marketing focusing on the main two.

it was koei techmo who wanted the games 4th route, crimson flower

I could be wrong, but I think they meant story paths in Fire Emblem: Three Houses.

you were right

 

[Will]

This is an idea I've brought up a couple times, but it was pretty vehemently disliked due to the fact you'd have to fight a regular dog. Duck Hunt gets away with it because they're so cartoony, but Nintendogs get too close to animal abuse for most people's liking. This was never brought up, but the fact that they wouldn't be fighting contextually probably makes things worse.

I can see that. However,

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I think we’re fine. If people can want regular human teenage girl Ayumi Tachibana I think I can want a Nintendog, or else I’ll start vilifying how terrible it is that all of you would want to harm an innocent teenage girl with a bright future ahead of her.

 

[ninjahmos]

Just thought I'd come back here to share this moveset of Mega Man X that someone made for Smash Ultimate. Here it is.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I can see that. However,

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I think we’re fine. If people can want regular human teenage girl Ayumi Tachibana I think I can want a Nintendog, or else I’ll start vilifying how terrible it is that all of you would want to harm an innocent teenage girl with a bright future ahead of her.

Ayumi Tachibana is stylized, this is not what a real human girl looks like.

Whereas Nintendogs are meant to look as close to real life puppies as possible.

Also teenagers at least have the ability to defend themselves, puppies do not.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

It never ceases to amaze me how there's always gotta be at least one person that advocates for violence against realistic puppies whenever Nintendogs is brought up.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Also teenagers at least have the ability to defend themselves, puppies do not.

To be fair, due to genre conventions, a puppy could defend itself if they made it a playable character because otherwise you wouldn't be able to play the game.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

To be fair, due to genre conventions, a puppy could defend itself if they made it a playable character because otherwise you wouldn't be able to play the game.

I mean sure, but there's a big difference between a detective who was part of a Naginata Club and a puppy you just adopted from the kennel lmao

 

[SharkLord]

This is an idea I've brought up a couple times, but it was pretty vehemently disliked due to the fact you'd have to fight a regular dog. Duck Hunt gets away with it because they're so cartoony, but Nintendogs get too close to animal abuse for most people's liking. This was never brought up, but the fact that they wouldn't be fighting contextually probably makes things worse.

There does exist a RoboPup option in Nintendogs + Cats, but picking the only option in a pet simulator that isn't a real pet seems kinda odd, and it doesn't help that it's only appeared in 1 game, and requires unlocking before you can get one. I'd be down for it if that's what they went with though.

Yeah, the whole point of Nintendogs is that it's a virtual pet game. You're supposed to become attached to the puppies, enough that people report feeling guilty for opening up their copies after a long time because of the sense that they've neglected their dogs. Especially since these are puppies, to my knowledge, and striking defenseless babies is a step too far for a lot of people

 

[DarthEnderX]

But you can turn around and go the path you came from forward too.

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[LiveStudioAudience]

My mind keeps going to an alternate Smash assist trophy with the Nintendogs where you can effectively freeze other fighters for several seconds... because they're busy petting the puppies you summoned.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Yeah, the whole point of Nintendogs is that it's a virtual pet game. You're supposed to become attached to the puppies, enough that people report feeling guilty for opening up their copies after a long time because of the sense that they've neglected their dogs. Especially since these are puppies, to my knowledge, and striking defenseless babies is a step too far for a lot of people

At least the games has enough content in Smash such as the Assist Trophy and Stage.

It’s not the only series that has a stage but not a character since that’s the case with Animal Crossing in Brawl. Also Balloon Fight.

 

[DemifiendEnjoyer]

It’s not the only series that has a stage but not a character since that’s the case with Animal Crossing in Brawl. Also Balloon Fight.

Also Electroplankton and Pictochat.
I thought maybe Miiverse, Tomodachi Life, And Find Mii but I guess those belong to the Miis.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

To be fair, due to genre conventions, a puppy could defend itself if they made it a playable character because otherwise you wouldn't be able to play the game.

Somehow I read as due to Geneva Conventions and was like "when the **** did these dogs get caught up in war" lol.

 

[Nabbitfan730]

What is your opinion on clones and echo fighters? What direction do you want to go to going forward with Smash 6?

Do you think the direction of echo fighters has de-valued and lessen the depth of clones from how they were from Melee/Brawl?

 

[DemifiendEnjoyer]

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Super Mario: Koopa Troopa, Birdo, King Boo, Mallow
The Legend Of Zelda: Toy Link (Links Awakening Remake Link)
Pokémon: Deoxys, Plusle and Minun (I still want to see what they would have been in Brawl)
Ice Climber: The Polar Bear
Fire Emblem: Caeda (Or just a generic Pegasus Knight)
Wario: Pyoro
Animal Crossing: Blanca
Street Fighter: Akuma (If he was a semi clone of Ryu and a secret character with a stupid unlock requirement that would be cool)
Final Fantasy: Onion Knight, Chocobo

New Series:
Doom: Cacodemon
Monster Hunter: Felyne

I’d also like Galacta Knight I forgot him.

 

[Will]

It never ceases to amaze me how there's always gotta be at least one person that advocates for violence against realistic puppies whenever Nintendogs is brought up.

Why are you making pot shots? I brought up the subject myself, it’s not like I came across a discussion and said I wanted to crush puppies; that’s actually sociopathic.

It’s an absurd idea for an absurd fighting game. I think the idea of dominating the battlefield with cute parlor tricks is neat. I liked the gimmick of Duck Hunt Dog’s third character and thought it could be reused for another innovative character using innovative technology. It fits the wackiness of the game and the respect for gaming history. Smash Puppy understands the idea, it’s not even real, or maliciously deep like that.

If it’s disliked, fine, I rescind my statement. You got nerve to paint it in such a negative light.

What is your opinion on clones and echo fighters? What direction do you want to go to going forward with Smash 6?

Do you think the direction of echo fighters has de-valued and lessen the depth of clones from how they were from Melee/Brawl?

Ultimate rebranded them, so I imagine the tag would stay for the next installment. I wouldn’t be surprised if we got new ones too.

 

[ninjahmos]

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What is your opinion on clones and echo fighters? What direction do you want to go to going forward with Smash 6?

Do you think the direction of echo fighters has de-valued and lessen the depth of clones from how they were from Melee/Brawl?

Well, AFAIK people seemed to hate clones until they got rebranded as Echoes, so I guess I could see them staying for the next game.

If there are any new Echoes for the next game, I'm hoping they'll take notes from Ken. Like I said before, they should be similar to the other character(s), but with their own unique quirks and attacks.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

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I mean, go right ahead; I just took it from Google lol.

 

[cashregister9]

What is your opinion on clones and echo fighters? What direction do you want to go to going forward with Smash 6?

I think people put too much stock in the phrase Echo Fighters and got their expectations way too high

and on the inverse, people got way to upset about Lucina and Dark Pit during Smash 4. and I guarantee that If Doctor Mario and Pichu released today, people would go ballistic.

Personally I love clones because it allows for more character representation. I'd obviously prefer more in depth clones, but Richter and Daisy level clones don't offend me.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Thinking about it more, I kind of wonder if the Nintendogs are actually a bad pick for representing their series anyway. Like, the series is all about how caring for your pets, so how do you get that across with just the pet? Duck Hunt has a 4th wall shooter to reference light guns sure, but having a 4th wall pet owner seems much less effective at conveying the idea of the game, especially when compared to someone like Rosalina & Luma, who have a similar dynamic going on.

Perhaps a Mii Fighter would be better. Make a Mii Petowner variant that acts as a puppet and/or trap character where they give their pet commands or play with them using toys, or something. This would actually make the animal abuse angle worse, so I would make it so at worst the character's opponents could scare the animal rather than actually hitting them.

 

[HyperSomari64]

Perhaps a Mii Fighter would be better. Make a Mii Petowner variant that acts as a puppet and/or trap character where they give their pet commands or play with them using toys, or something. This would actually make the animal abuse angle worse, so I would make it so at worst the character's opponents could scare the animal rather than actually hitting them.

can it have a costume of Nate Adams and Jibanyan?

 

[DarthEnderX]

What is your opinion on clones and echo fighters? What direction do you want to go to going forward with Smash 6?

I think a character's moveset should either be entirely unique, or they should be classified as Echoes.

Some current clones, like Dr. Mario or Pichu, should be reclassified as Echoes. Others, like Ganondorf, Falco, Lucas or Isabelle, should get new moves until they're fully unique.

If there are any new Echoes for the next game, I'm hoping they'll take notes from Ken. Like I said before, they should be similar to the other character(s), but with their own unique quirks and attacks.

For sure. Echoes should still have SOME differences. No more Daisy or Richter-like Echoes.

I'd obviously prefer more in depth clones, but Richter and Daisy level clones don't offend me.

I find Daisy especially offensive because Peach already had a bunch of alternate moves from Smash 4 they could have given her.

Same with Dark Samus, Dark Pit and Lucina.

 

[Kirbeh]

Thinking about it more, I kind of wonder if the Nintendogs are actually a bad pick for representing their series anyway. Like, the series is all about how caring for your pets, so how do you get that across with just the pet? Duck Hunt has a 4th wall shooter to reference light guns sure, but having a 4th wall pet owner seems much less effective at conveying the idea of the game, especially when compared to someone like Rosalina & Luma, who have a similar dynamic going on.

Perhaps a Mii Fighter would be better. Make a Mii Petowner variant that acts as a puppet and/or trap character where they give their pet commands or play with them using toys, or something. This would actually make the animal abuse angle worse, so I would make it so at worst the character's opponents could scare the animal rather than actually hitting them.

I was actually going to suggest a Mii or generic human character as well. Make the Nintendogs completely invincible with the Mii/human being the one that gets hit and KO'd. Like a reverse Pokemon Trainer.

Like, you could throw a ball for the Nintendog to fetch. The ball being thrown is treated like a proper projectile and the pup simply retrieves it after it hits the ground. Then you could have a special where it barks to draw an opponents attention or something. The dog can interact with the match to a degree but can't be interacted with by opponents.

 

[SharkLord]

We're regularly reaching 100ish guests daily and SmashBoards periodically crashes and gives me the Bad 502 treatment

We're so back

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

We're regularly reaching 100ish guests daily and SmashBoards periodically crashes and gives me the Bad 502 treatment

We're so back

Except we have nothing to show for it.

 

[SharkLord]

Except we have nothing to show for it.

At least we have CrashBoards.

Good old CrashBoards. It never leaves your side

 

[DarthEnderX]

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[Thegameandwatch]

What is your opinion on clones and echo fighters? What direction do you want to go to going forward with Smash 6?

I like Echo Fighters but they should have more differences. Doesn’t need to be drastic but it should at least give a reason to use them outside of design.

Like how Daisy is basically identical to Peach outside of idle animations having different hurtboxes. I think Toad should be removed in her moveset since she isn’t really associated with the character.