Smash 64 ELO Rating

[TheMagistrate]

this is so awesome. thanks clubba

 

[clubbadubba]

Updated to include the latest ladder games and Double Dair (in progress)

Changed it so that you have to have at least 1 win to be on the list. Still messing around with stuff, might use min rating instead or use both.

 

[KnitePhox]

this going to take either constant tournaments in a short time or a LONG ASS TIME to be accurate

good effort clubba

 

[NovaSmash]

are u gonna host that smash bros league again?

 

[clubbadubba]

It might take a long time, but it all depends on the players. Anyone can host tournaments, and any 2 players can decide to play out a serious set online at any time. Any competitive match will be taken into account, the more the better.

yes nova I am. I plan to have games start right after zenith. Signups will be within the next couple of weeks.

 

[Battlecow]

I thought we weren't counting non-tourney non-mm "serious" sets

 

[clubbadubba]

i said discretion should be involved. people do mess around in $1 money matches. But if people do a serious non money set with no goofing around i have no problem using it.

 

[Battlecow]

You really should have a problem using it

I mean we do need data but no other organization gives "well they said that they weren't screwing around" as a valid grounds for inclusion

I guess you're the grand poobah of this system so what you say goes. But it loses legitimacy in my eyes if random peeps can manipulate their ratings outside of a formalized setting. I wouldn't use an Elo system like that to seed a tournament I was running.

Possible methods of abuse: asking for serious matches only against characters/players you're comfortable against, using extremely non-standard rulesets that don't reflect real skill but nevertheless appeal to both players, asking to include afterwards and being OK'd by nice players/players who don't give two ****s about elo.

 

[KnitePhox]

possible solution is to have 2 lists. tourney only and seriouslies+tournies rating. that would be easy to do, just leave out non tourney matches on one rating list

 

[clubbadubba]

Ummm, that's how online chess ELO's work. You play random games, your rating is adjusted. You can choose to play only people that are far worse than you if you want. The thing is that it won't effect your rating very much if you are beating up on bad players. However, if someone were to start off with only play bad players that are not already rated how that could over-inflate their rating, simply because they are not stable yet. Possible stipulation: you have to have a "stable" rating in order to count non-tournament/non-big money seriouslies.

Also required for these: agreeing BEFOREHAND to be rated. Using a COMPETITIVE ruleset.

Another rating could easily be done, though that is one rating per current rating, so we'd be at 6 different ratings...

 

[Olikus]

Clubba dont be bossy. Listen to battlecow.

 

[clubbadubba]

I'm not bossing anyone. If the overwhelming opinion is that only tourny/big money matches should be counted, that's what will happen, but the opinion of bcow and his pizza buddy are not enough

 

[Olikus]

Clubba dont boss me.

 

[Battlecow]

Chess is real different

Online chess you don't really have friendlies; every game you play is essentially part of one big tourney, and is recorded, inspected for fraud, etc. I don't think they let random dudes confirm that they played each other 43 times last saturday at dude A's house and count that.

 

[clubbadubba]

Actually, you could easily do that on chess.com. Get your friends user name, find them online, and you can play as many games as you want against that person.

 

[Battlecow]

Online chess you don't really have friendlies; every game you play is essentially part of one big tourney, and is recorded, inspected for fraud, etc. I don't think they let random dudes confirm that they played each other 43 times last saturday at dude A's house and count that.​

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[clubbadubba]

So what you're saying is you're worried people might lie about results? Just because on chess sites the website can confirm the games were played doesn't mean the game was legitimate. People can still make multiple user names and throw games, and as long as they aren't too obvious, they'll get away with it. These games would, if anything, be more scrutinized than chess sites because I have to manually put them in as opposed to an automated system doing it. Also, if I use my suggestion of only allowing people with "stable" ratings to do "seriouslies," then anyone submitting would have had to participate in multiple events, so its less likely they'd be trying to take advantage of the system.

I also don't see how serious money solves the issue. How is it easier to say:

I beat ultraNOOB 20 times

than it is to say:

I beat ultraNOOB 20 times, and each one of them was a $50 money match

Anyone can lie.

 

[Olikus]

I think we can try clubbas way for some time and see how it goes. He seems confident. I dont think it will be abused too much actually. But it is a potential flaw in the system that friendlies are allowed, even if they say they play serious. The main focus should be on tourney results though.

 

[MATTS!]

Yo, I made a cool smash 64 ranking system here http://galaxy.co.nf/

Read directions, input Data! simple and easy user friendly

If I don't have your name in the drop down box, I can add it to the database, if you wanna participate!

You can also download each persons data in 4 different formats by clicking on their name, Cheers!

Made by The Great MATTS!

 

[Sensei]

I love sandbagging in seriouslies

 

[MrMarbles]

Yo, I made a cool smash 64 ranking system here http://galaxy.co.nf/

Read directions, input Data! simple and easy user friendly

If I don't have your name in the drop down box, I can add it to the database, if you wanna participate!

You can also download each persons data in 4 different formats by clicking on their name, Cheers!

Made by The Great MATTS!

i think Clubba has this covered dude. Starting a whole new ranking system seems **** considering all the work Clubba just put into this one

 

[thegreginator]

I love sandbagging in seriouslies

Psh you're just using that as an excuse after my epic win* in our 12 character battle

(*Getting through more than half your characters is a win in my book)

 

[KnitePhox]

lol marbles.

dood clubba i dont see how you'd go into 6 ratings...

i was only suggesting 2

tourneys only

and

tournies + everything else

GREASE YOUR STICK, ITS BEEN TOO LONG. YOU TOO SHADE/KERO

 

[Battlecow]

Yeah, I guess you're probably right actually clubba

I mean it's exploitable but we're all nice people and we need data

 

[cmu6eh]

Yeah, I guess you're probably right actually clubba

I mean it's exploitable but we're all nice people and we need data

Clubba is right about everything

 

[clubbadubba]

Updated to include comboed on spawn 2. ALL OF YOU GODDAMN ******* STOP ****ING ALTING. Or TO's at least don't ask peoples tags if you already know them. Cool, thanks.

 

[Cobrevolution]

clubba you have me up there twice

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Updated to include comboed on spawn 2. ALL OF YOU GODDAMN *****ES STOP ****ING ALTING. Or TO's at least don't ask peoples tags if you already know them. Cool, thanks.

This guy is showing some sheer madness

 

[clubbadubba]

@cobr, fixed.

With regards to having multiple communities on the same rankings:

Its really more of a convenience issue on both ends I guess. On the user side (you guys), with multiple communities on the same page one would have to manually ignore the people that are in communities they weren't interested in. On the programming side (me), its not as simple as "make peru separate." I also don't want to have to potentially manage 3 (console, online, online/console) rankings per community. I understand the concern that the ratings will not be comparable between certain people. Just know that as it stands now that is already the case, but there were no complaints up to this point about it (I guess because people didn't realize it?). As I said though, I am looking into solutions. With the current display interface (a smashboards thread LOL) its a bit difficult displaying all the information I want to display. I'll see what I can do.

 

[Battlecow]

Just don't add peru to this list. Ding. Done.

There are no competitive unrelated communities within NA, and if there were you should take them off too.

 

[clubbadubba]

Just don't add peru to this list. Ding. Done.

There are no competitive unrelated communities within NA, and if there were you should take them off too.

Nah if I get international info it goes in some format or another. Sometimes the easy way is the right way. This is not one of those. I think I've thought of a decent solution though, might implement it tonight.

Its not communities. Its the fact that some players rating is not meaningful when compared to other players ratings because of who they've played, which is the same issue with international competition. I don't have an algorithm in place to find these players yet, which is why I can't just take them off so easily.

 

[clubbadubba]

Okay so here's the deal. I've made it so that each tournament is associated with a particular region. Every tournament except the Brazilian one is currently labeled as NORTH AMERICA, and the brazil one is of course BRAZIL. So when I run the code it outputs separate lists for each region. If players have played in events in multiple regions (so far just banze and oxolane), they will be in multiple region rankings. I currently have it so that all of banze's games count in each region, though I'm not sure if I will leave it like that or not.

 

[Komotonoto]

This is some mo' BULLSH17. Matt's is better.

 

[TANK64]

I see you lurking Loto, when you coming to ORLANDO.
We gotta have a big tourney so we can ELO that ****.

 

[MrMarbles]

you should organize an Orlando tourney Tank.

 

[TANK64]

I'm planning it

Right now I'm basically in the process of uniting the Orlando "hard-core" community, and then basically going from there lol.

Oh and also, looks like I won't be able to go to New York in Dec ;___; /wrists.
Buuuut, I can make it to Apex now, which slightly eases my pain

 

[SheerMadness]

We should ask Gamers Inc. to run another ssb64 tourney.

You missed out on that one TANKLIN. There were like 25 ppl that showed up, 20 of which I had never seen. I think I actually helped MrMarbles find the competitive scene at that tourney.

But anyway there are definitely more people out there to recruit. I'm betting there's a ton of college kids who play 64 in their dorms and apartments at UCF.

 

[Doomolish]

Thanks, Clubba!

May I just post the link of the results thread of my tournaments?

 

[TANK64]

We should ask Gamers Inc. to run another ssb64 tourney.

You missed out on that one TANKLIN. There were like 25 ppl that showed up, 20 of which I had never seen. I think I actually helped MrMarbles find the competitive scene at that tourney.

But anyway there are definitely more people out there to recruit. I'm betting there's a ton of college kids who play 64 in their dorms and apartments at UCF.

Thanks for letting me know BRO.

Also, @Mr.Marbles, I didn't know you were from Orlando. When your sem starts again we gotta play.
I'm trying to get a semi-active console scene for 64 in Orlando.
Do you play Yoshi?

 

[SheerMadness]

Thanks for letting me know BRO.

Sorry bud. It was in mid February, when you said job/internship/school/wifey/etc were killing 100% of your free time. So I didn't wanna bother you. Plus easier money for me. Mainly the former though.

Marbles plays Pikachu.