Smash 4 Speculation Chart [WE UPDATE NOW]

[Deleted member]

You're right; we don't even know if we're getting Smash to begin with since EVERYTHING IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

I predict Smash will be cancelled and Sakurai will instead work on a simulation game starring his cat. Who's with me?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

It's been announced that Skull Kid is an Assist Trophy already. Sakurai found SK suitable as an AT, not a character, and that is not going to change. Even if his thoughts on Skull Kid did, he would have to scrap an Assist Trophy that has already been revealed, and likely has had his animations, AI and attack finished, along with having to spend extra development time to create a moveset for Skull Kid, and having to create animations for him, it's far too late to do all of that at this point. And again, he outright stated Skull Kid is an AT, not a fighter, in the pic where he was first shown. It's clear that Sakurai has made up his mind and has given Skull Kid his role, and it is not going to change.

So no, not everything is subject to change.


Anyway, this discussion should be taken elsewhere.

 

[AEMehr]

not trying to start anything, but if you want to be technical, NO CHARACTERS are officially Deconfirmed. This is Smash after all; many things don't make sense (Example: how there can be 4 Marios all in one universe fighting each other).

There could always be a character added.

No one is OFFICIALLY out of the question until Sakurai SAYS they won't happen.

Now, Sakurai may have said Sukapon won't be in long ago, but he changed his mind on Villager, so Sukapon isn't deconfirmed either.

I'm sorry I fail to see your reasoning for even starting this discussion. The only characters we've deconfirmed at this point are the ones that were shown to be in the game. Sukapon has yet to be deconfirmed.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I'm merely pointing out that anyone saying a certain character is deconfirmed is invalid. Unless it comes straight from Sakurai, NOTHING is deconfirmed. And, Sakurai has been known to change his mind so who's to say Skull Kid might not be changed.

There's also no reason to get pissed off/angry. I'm just saying my views.

My comment on Sukapon was meant as a seperate thought as well; sorry if it caused any confusion.

 

[AEMehr]

I'm merely pointing out that anyone saying a certain character is deconfirmed is invalid. Unless it comes straight from Sakurai, NOTHING is deconfirmed. And, Sakurai has been known to change his mind so who's to say Skull Kid might not be changed.

There's also no reason to get pissed off/angry. I'm just saying my views.

My comment on Sukapon was meant as a seperate thought as well; sorry if it caused any confusion.

So you're meaning to tell us that the Skull Kid, a confirmed assist trophy, can't be considered deconfirmed?
I'm sorry what? The Skull Kid is not a member of a species that wears Majora's Masks, there is only one. He isn't Toad or R.O.B.. Your logic when applied to THIS Skull Kid specifically is ludicrous.

 

[Deleted member]

Name one thing that Sakurai changed his mind about that's anywhere comparable to showing off Skull Kid as an Assist then making him playable instead within the span of a few months.

This is reason to get angry; a blanket statement used to attempt to have an entire system changed.
I mean, it's exactly like saying "Hey guys, don't count Mario, Sonic, Marth, etc. as confirmed just yet! Sakurai can change his mind anytime and have them cut!"

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'm merely pointing out that anyone saying a certain character is deconfirmed is invalid. Unless it comes straight from Sakurai, NOTHING is deconfirmed. And, Sakurai has been known to change his mind so who's to say Skull Kid might not be changed.

He hasn't changed his mind after he has announced AND shown what a character's role is in-game.

Again:

It's been announced that Skull Kid is an Assist Trophy already. Sakurai found Skull Kid suitable as an AT, not a character, and that is not going to change. Even if his thoughts on Skull Kid did, he would have to scrap an Assist Trophy that has already been revealed, and likely has had his animations, AI and attack finished, along with having to spend extra development time to create a moveset for Skull Kid, and having to create animations for him, it's far too late to do all of that at this point. And again, he outright stated Skull Kid is an AT, not a fighter, in the pic where he was first shown. It's clear that Sakurai has made up his mind and has given Skull Kid his role, and at this point, it is not going to change.


So no, not everything is subject to change.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I'm merely pointing out that anyone saying a certain character is deconfirmed is invalid. Unless it comes straight from Sakurai, NOTHING is deconfirmed.

Okay...

I can see the logic he-

And, Sakurai has been known to change his mind so who's to say Skull Kid might not be changed.

You're just grasping at straws now...

 

[Deleted member]

You know what I realized? Why is Skull Kid still being talked about when he's not even on the chart to begin with?

And no, Keyblade, Skull Kid is not being added to the chart.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

You know what I realized? Why is Skull Kid still being talked about when he's not even on the chart to begin with?

I only brought him up because Keybladeguy said this:

if you want to be technical, NO CHARACTERS are officially Deconfirmed.

 

[Deleted member]

I see. Carry on.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Keyblade, there's a topic for deconfirmed characters on the WiiU board, don't know whey it's there istead fo the character board but take these discussions there.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

one more thing an i'm done; I'm not asking for the system to be changed; just that under technicality, no characters can be Deconfirmed until Sakurai says they are.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Well if Sakurai needs to say they are disconfirmed, then Skull Kid and Nintendog ARE disconfirmed. He even said himself, "He's an Assist Trophy, not a character."

 

[Deleted member]

Not only that, but he also said "the characters announced on the website are the fighters!"
Essentially, if you aren't announced on the site as a fighter, you're not a fighter. No ifs ands or buts. So for example, you know that Yellow Devil guy? He ain't a fighter. Sakurai doesn't have to directly say he isn't. And no, Sakurai isn't going to "change his mind" and have Yellow Devil be a fighter later.

 

[Shorts]

Where did you get those pretty Icons for the roster maker? I love the Tingle.

 

[AEMehr]

Where did you get those pretty Icons for the roster maker? I love the Tingle.

I made them.

 

[Shorts]

I made them.

Link me bb.

 

[AEMehr]

Link me bb.

okay qt

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

We can add Rosalina to confirmed, then. I was wrong.

 

[Starbound]

I like how she's not even on the Mario chart haha.

Dat Sakurai

 

[AEMehr]

We can add Rosalina to confirmed, then. I was wrong.

wow much wrong
very lost
game end

I like how she's not even on the Mario chart haha.

Dat Sakurai

She is on the copy of the list I haven't sent in yet (prior to her reveal), so we still guessed her.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Welp there goes Geno's and Toad's chances.

 

[Deleted member]

Toad's chances were already gone. Or did you already forget the Toad Guard? Which was also shown what, RIGHT BEFORE Rosalina's reveal?

Though now, all other Mario characters are looking on thin ice....doesn't seem likely that we'd have a 6th Mario character. Shame too; after seeing Dr. Luigi, I was kind of hoping Dr. Mario would come back and use those L-Pills.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Now I wait for Dr. Waluigi.

 

[Deleted member]

I was going to say "what about Dr. Wario?", but then I remembered:

It happened already.

And there was also Dr. Mario 64 that featured Wario (but he wasn't a doctor).

You know what? Why not just give EVERYONE a Doctor Suit in the next Mario game that makes people shoot pills. That'd be fricking hilarious.

 

[Mic_128]

I'd kill to see a Trauma Center crossover with Dr Mario Bros

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Toad's chances were already gone. Or did you already forget the Toad Guard? Which was also shown what, RIGHT BEFORE Rosalina's reveal?

Though now, all other Mario characters are looking on thin ice....doesn't seem likely that we'd have a 6th Mario character. Shame too; after seeing Dr. Luigi, I was kind of hoping Dr. Mario would come back and use those L-Pills.

There's more than one Toad you know. Toad still has a chance; albeit a slim one.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

There's more than one Toad you know. Toad still has a chance; albeit a slim one.

Please don't start this again. We mark Toad as disconfirmed and if we're wrong you get to laugh at us. OK?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Rosalina getting in doesn't bode well for any Mario character at this point.

It is highly doubtful that Mario will get another character, so you can support Toad, but I would certainly not be expecting him now.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Please don't start this again. We mark Toad as disconfirmed and if we're wrong you get to laugh at us. OK?

you're missing then point. TOAD is NOT disconfirmed by any standards.

So more than one isn't allowed?

Having more than 1 of a character fight Deconfirmed! - you heard it here first!

 

[Guybrush20X6]

you're missing then point. TOAD is NOT disconfirmed by any standards.

Princess Peach pulls him our of her rear. That's a standard and it's the one we're using.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

He may not be definitely disconfirmed, but it's highly, HIGHLY insinuated.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

He may not be definitely disconfirmed, but it's highly, HIGHLY insinuated.

Yes because insinuated = deconfirmed

Princess Peach pulls him our of her rear. That's a standard and it's the one we're using.

There is MORE THAN ONE.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Never said it was the same thing.

Face the facts. Any Mario character now is highly unlikely. Who cares if it isn't definitive? The facts show that Toad, Waluigi, or Jr. have little to no chance now. It's common sense.

 

[Curious Villager]

Unless there is still a 6th Mario newcomer character we don't know about, I personally find it highly doubtful we will be seeing any other Mario newcomer character at this point. And this goes for all potential Mario franchise newcomers, not just Toad.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

In a way, that's actually a blessing. We already have plenty of Mario exposition in Smash Bros. With Rosalina finally out of the way, we can hopefully start seeing more coverage of series. Plenty to still show in regards to Metroid, Donkey Kong, Kirby, EarthBound, and Pokemon.

 

[Mic_128]

you're missing then point. TOAD is NOT disconfirmed by any standards.

So more than one isn't allowed?

Having more than 1 of a character fight Deconfirmed! - you heard it here first!

To be fair, Charizard had been an item in the first two games until he became playable, so while far from concrete, there is a sort of precedent.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

Unless we get a 6th Mario character, I personally find it highly doubtful we will be seeing any other Mario newcomer character at this point. And this goes for all potential Mario franchise newcomers, not just Toad.

Ummm... if there wasn't a 6th mario character how could there possibly be another newcomer?

I think Rosalina increases the two big names' (Waluigi and Junior) chances, because Sakurai isn't scared to represent Mario heavily anymore (which is good as the best selling video-game franchise of all time is finally getting the representation it deserves, rather than being overshadowed by Zelda (sheik means 1 more) and Pokémon (Pokémon trainer = 2 more). Bowser Jr is generally more popular than Rosalina for Smash Bros, so, especially as a semi-clone, I no longer see anything to stop him getting into the game. Since Mewtwo's almost certainly in the game I could even see Waluigi being in and not being overkill (same numebr as pokémon is a good place to be), so his chances aren't cut... however even I admit his chances aren't raised by this either given he could easily be the step too far [he is often less popular, but he did get some mentions of his popularity on his AT page back in Brawl].

Don't think of Rosalina as a new competitor for the Mario slot, because it's not like there was any indication there was only one slot to grab, look instead at what she means for the Mario series representation... to me she says 'Mario deserves more representation guys'.

 

[Curious Villager]

I suppose I worded that wrong. I meant unless there is still a 6th potential Mario newcomer left that we don't know about.