Smash 4 Speculation Chart [WE UPDATE NOW]

[Deleted member]

What are your reasons for that decision out of curiosity?

Dark Pit is too major of a character to be left out, being only under Pit, Palutena, and Hades in importance to Uprising (and just above Viridi).
Lyn only has the whole "Assist Trophy" thing, in which case it's a double standard to keep her and not Knuckle Joe, who everyone wanted off. Or Jeff, since no one seems to be defending him.

I would add Magnus. He's not an extremely likely choice at all, but under the same grounds of Dark Pit as being a recurrent story character within Uprising (and to actually be playable at one point), it seems only fair to have him so as to not set a double standard. I'd otherwise remove Dark Pit for the same reasons we'd remove Magnus.

Magnus only appears in 3 chapters and is playable while Pit is controlling his body. Dark Pit appears in 9 chapters, one of which is a whole chapter where you play as him, and appears in the multiplayer mode as the Angel for the Dark Team.
Leaving Dark Pit and taking out Magnus is not a double standard.

Masked Man also seems like a likely Mother candidate (likely being a loose term for being one of the only possible Mother candidates), so I would add him as well were it my choice. He's had ample demand within the Mother fanbase, so it's worth consideration at the very least.

I will consider this. Though at the same time, Mother being a niche series does not bode that well for the series getting a third character as it is, and it would likely be between the series' first protagonist and the feasible villain that's been in two of the three games that also happened to be featured as a boss in Brawl.
(By "feasible", I'm referring in comparison to Giygas, who is the unfeasible villain that's been in two of three games.)

Other than that, I think you knocked out the series flawlessly. Excellent time-saver!

Thank you.

I'd say keep Lyn as she was both an assist trophy in Brawl and the first FE character that most westerners played outside of smash.

Lyn because she was the first Fire Emblem lord and was an AT in Brawl.

As I said before, the AT point is rather moot considering that everyone wanted Knuckle Joe gone despite being AT and no one is defending Jeff since he was an AT.
As for the point of being the first Western Lord, that honestly doesn't mean much. Consider that Smash is being made in Japan, and that at this point in time, we have Awakening to deal with for characters as well as planned Melee veteran Roy, and that doesn't leave much room for options. Even keeping Anna on the list is a stretch to me.

Dark Pit because he was already a palette swap in Brawl, and I don't see him getting his own slot.

Actually, Dark Pit wasn't a palette. His conception is based off of Pit's black palette in Brawl, but has quite a few differences in coloration.
Aside from that, there's always the possibility of Dark Pit coming in wielding his signature staff if this image Sakurai put on his Twitter is anything to go by.

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Masked Man because he seems to be the most popular Mother newcomer in the west.

That's not that big of a deal regardless of it being true or not (which we can't confirm).
Claus was arguably more popular as a Smash request worldwide than main character Lucas during Brawl's time, and you can see how well that turned out.
And going by what little we know of the series' requests anywhere, Kumatora is apparently the most requested Newcomer for Japan now. At least that's what Chrono saw.

 

[Frostwraith]

Keep Lyn, Masked Man and Dark Pit. They are all fairly important characters in their respective series.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I don't think it's a double standard to want to keep Lyn when she has something going for her other than AT status, however minor you say it is.

Reasons I can agree on her not being included: her time has past, there are more unique and interesting choices and that there are other Katana characters that should be Smashers before her.

TLDR: Cut her if you wish but try and cover more reasons why.

 

[Opossum]

Sort of going back to the other thing, but the only additions to the Mario or Zelda series that I can personally vouch for are Blue Toad (although, can he just be called Toad if he gets on the chart? ) and Rosalina, since the evidence for her playability in SMDW is pretty strong, in my opinion.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Sort of going back to the other thing, but the only additions to the Mario or Zelda series that I can personally vouch for are Blue Toad (although, can he just be called Toad if he gets on the chart? ) and Rosalina, since the evidence for her playability in SMDW is pretty strong, in my opinion.

I think it'd be best to wait for SM3DW to come out first. For all we know she'll just get a cameo. Still says a bunch for her popularity though.

 

[SmasherMaster]

I think that Masked Man, Lyn and Dark Pit should al be put into the roster. They all seem to be important to the series.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Importance is tough to say when it comes to Fire Emblem. I don't know that Lyn has a massive amount of importance to the series as a whole, but she certainly is a popular character.

Masked Man and Dark Pit I would consider viable, so put them in.

 

[AEMehr]

I feel as if adding in Lyn, Masked Man, and Dark Pit wouldn't do any harm. They all make sense in their own regard and are certainly possible playable characters.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I feel as if adding in Lyn, Masked Man, and Dark Pit wouldn't do any harm. They all make sense in their own regard and are certainly possible playable characters.

Considering they aren't impossible and have a decent amount of popularity, i'd say to put them on. So i'd agree with you here.

 

[Deleted member]

Alright, final decisions are in.

-Mario: Add Blue Toad and Rosalina
-Zelda: No change (I fear I won't hear the end of it if I remove either Impa or Ghirahim)
-Mother: Ness, Lucas, Porky, Ninten, Claus
-Fire Emblem: Marth, Roy, Ike, Lyn, Chrom, Lucina, Avatar, Anna
-Kid Icarus: Pit, Palutena, Medusa, Virdi, Hades, Dark Pit


Moving on to Wario.
I will eat anyone who says get rid of Shake King.

 

[AEMehr]

On WarioWare / Land, I vote to keep: Wario (obviously), Mona, Jimmy T., Ashley, and Captain Syrup.

Don't worry GY, if he doesn't make it in. I'll fit him in there somehow...

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I say keep Wario, (obviously) Mona, Jimmy T., Ashley, Kat & Ana, Captain Syrup, Pyoro and Shake King.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Wario , 9-Volt, Jimmy T., and Ashley.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I'd keep Wario, Mona, Jimmy T., Kat & Ana, Ashley, and Captain Syrup.

 

[Alban712]

Wario, Jimmy T., Mona, Ashley, C. Syrup

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Wario, Mona, Jimmy T, Ashley, Syrup.

That's all it really needs.

 

[Deleted member]

Mona: 5
Jimmy T.: 6
Ashley: 6
Captain Syrup: 5
Kat & Ana: 2
Pyoro: 1
Shake King: 1
9-Volt: 1

 

[FalKoopa]

I say keep Wario, Ashley, Jimmy T., Mona, Captain Syrup. Maybe throw in 9-Volt and Kat & Ana as well.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Keep Jimmy T., Ashley, Mona, Captain Syrup.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Wario, Mona, Jimmy T., Captain Syrup, Kat & Ana

The problem wit the Warioware series is there's a lotta characters but none of them really stand out expect for the Main Man himself.

 

[Deleted member]

Mona: 8
Jimmy T.: 9
Ashley: 8
Captain Syrup: 8
Kat & Ana: 4 (1 "maybe" vote)
Pyoro: 1
Shake King: 1
9-Volt: 2 (1 "maybe" vote)

I think it's safe to say Mona, Jimmy T., Ashley, and Captain Syrup are staying.

 

[TORNADO BUS DRIVER]

I say keep Wario, Ashley, Jimmy T., Mona, Captain Syrup. Maybe throw in 9-Volt and Kat & Ana as well.

This !

 

[SmasherMaster]

I'd say Wario, Mona, Ashley, Jimmy T, Captain Syrup, and Kat and Ana. But ;et's not forget the most important Wario character after wario himself,
WALUIGI

 

[Louie G.]

Mona, Jimmy T, Ashley, and Syrup.

 

[Deleted member]

Mona: 11
Jimmy T.: 12
Ashley: 11
Captain Syrup: 11
Kat & Ana: 6 (2 "maybe" votes)
Pyoro: 1
Shake King: 1
9-Volt: 3 (2 "maybe" votes)
WAA!: 1 illegitimate vote


It's over.
Mona, Jimmy T., Ashley, and Syrup will stay. Kat & Ana came close, but not close enough.
Moving on to Pikmin.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Olimar, Louie, All three Pikmin 3 Protagonists.

That's all.

 

[Deleted member]

So pretty much, no changes, Swamp?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So pretty much, no changes, Swamp?

None from me!

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Yea i'd say no changes to Pikmin

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I can only really see Brittany and Charlie getting in a similar manner to the two Wii Fit Trainers. Regardless I'd say keep Pikmin as it is.

 

[FalKoopa]

Add bulborb.

Keep Pikmin as it is.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

The only other possible character that could be added would be the president but unless Sakurai can make a moveset based around running from loan-sharks I think it's safe to say, keep the existing ones.

 

[AEMehr]

Just a suggestion, but I think I should make each individual Pikmin type have their own slot. We don't know of the fate of Rock and Winged Pikmin, and Bulbmin still could make an appearance somewhere.

Otherwise no change to the Pikmin chart other than this suggestion is really necessary.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Olimar, Louie, and Alph.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Olimar, Louie, and Alph.

Yeah I don't really think the other 2 are necessary.

So Olimar, Louie, Alph for me too.

 

[Louie G.]

Does Louie really have a shot?
Olimar, Alph, Charlie, and Brittany for me.
Louie makes more sense as a costume.

 

[BluePikmin11]

It's basically representing:
Pikmin 1: Olimar
Pikmin 2: Louie
Pikmin 3: Alph

 

[TORNADO BUS DRIVER]

The same as it is

 

[Deleted member]

Just a suggestion, but I think I should make each individual Pikmin type have their own slot. We don't know of the fate of Rock and Winged Pikmin, and Bulbmin still could make an appearance somewhere.

Otherwise no change to the Pikmin chart other than this suggestion is really necessary.

Not sure if that's really necessary...
I mean, the individual Pikmin are more or less glorified weapons. It's kind of like adding the generic Waddle Dee, Waddle Doo, and Gordo to the Kirby chart for Dedede.


Tally:
No changes: 7
Remove Charlie: 2
Remove Brittany: 2
Remove Louie: 1

 

[Louie G.]

Yeah, I think no changes is the best way to go.
Although Pikmin only needs Olimar at the moment.