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PACMAN GODDAMIT. Why didn't they show it on E3 though
PACMAN GODDAMIT. Why didn't they show it on E3 though
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Deacon Blues
So, I guess we're banning them?
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Because Sakurai.
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Most of my complaining comes from the fact that, to me, his 2D in game version (flat like G&W) is far superior to his 3D design.
But I'm sure we'll all get used to it after a while. He's real, it's done, so I have to get over it.
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Well, while you all are crying your salty tears. I'll be celebrating my main coming back.
κomıc
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As a HUGE supporter of Lady Palutena and the only newcomer I actually SCREAMED for, yeah, Pac-Man was better suited for the digital event. Or even better, the Invitational.
This is an interesting tidbit- they announced Sonic in the same way. With a roundtable for Brawl back in 2007.
Ice Climbers have also been specifically mentioned. DON'T PANIC GUYS..... *shakes as he drags cigarette and drinks from the bottle*
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That is interesting.
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I'm going to remain in constant denial about this until pictures and a video are posted.
THEN, I will rage. Everybody, get your mugs.
THEN, I will rage. Everybody, get your mugs.
LiteralGrill
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Just cuz something isn't in For Flory doesn't mean we should ban it, still gotta try it first. i mean it can still be used with friends even for online events.
The Original Robot boy
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Oh the irony i wonder how he looks
8-peacock-8
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Got my salt shakers ready and waiting.
Knight Dude
Keeping it going.
Oh, my bad. Still, I wonder how much of the roster is complete.With Game & Watch that's 34
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Since some people apparently can't count, let me just state again that we've got 34 so far.
Mii Fighter and Palutena brought it up to 32.
(Apparently)Pac-Man and Game & Watch brought it up to 34.
C'mon guys, seriously.
Mii Fighter and Palutena brought it up to 32.
(Apparently)Pac-Man and Game & Watch brought it up to 34.
C'mon guys, seriously.
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For Flory is the best mode.
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PsychoIncarnate
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Pac man
puk yeah
puk yeah
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LiteralGrill
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I'm actually Sakurai and renaming the mode. What you guys didn't know?
Artorias
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Yeah guys, believe the site that said that the last guardian was cancelled and reported it like full news without an actual source.
Also is it alredy over? Wasn't it like 90 minutes long
Also is it alredy over? Wasn't it like 90 minutes long
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Inb4 they announce that all Brawl and Melee characters will get amiibos, whether or not they're in the Smash 4 roster, you'll be able to play as them in Smash if you have their amiibo
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From what I'm hearing they're banned strictly for censorship reasons, not for balancing reasons.
LiteralGrill
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The Q and A started.
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Oh, and here's the details from said roundtable (for those who are lazy).
From Nintendo Everything:
Pac-Man
- Pac-Man confirmed for the new Super Smash Bros.
- 8-bit moves for the character
- Pac-Man 3DS stage confirmed
- Pac-Man turns into an 8-bit version
- Pac-Man is normally his character from Pac-Man World
- Sakurai wanted to make retro Pac-Man, but the standard is PacLand PacMan
- Pac-Man throws fruit and eats Pac-Dots
- Game & Watch is back
- Pac-Man turns into pizza style after recovery move
- Pac-Man have a triple up bmove.
- Seems to have an attack where he uses the ghosts, throws fruit, and even places a fire hydrant on the ground
Character customization
- Sakurai talks about adjusting fighting style of character
- each character has 12 special variations
- You can select amongst 3 moves for each special attack slot
- Mario has a fireball, a fast fireball, and a fire orb; not usable in For Glory
- Palutena is different; she has unique special attacks; not derivative
- Characters can equip items that increase attack, defense and speed, but there are checks and balances
- Equipment also modifies characters by adjusting their balance
- Make a character quicker but then they are weaker
- You can change clothing if your Mii
- Each fighter type has its own wardrobe to select from
- Mii Fighters cannot be used in With Anyone mode online
- Can be used With Friends
Wii U/3DS connectivity
- You can carry customized characters through Wii U and 3DS
- Smash Run is easier to acquire unique items
- Smash Run is designed to help collect items/upgrades. These can be transferred to the Wii U game.
Figures
- FO stands for Figure Player. Users do not control them.
- figurines show up as FP (figure player) and are computer controlled. they can level up to 50. will learn your tendencies. better than level 9 cpus
- Figures will learntheir opponents tactics and adjust over time. They can also use items.
- FP are basically better computer players. can also be used as tag team players in matches
- Sakurai says you don’t have to get every single figure but he will
- Sakurai wants players to think of figures as their partners in battle. Sakurai says you don’t need to collect them all. But he will.
Smash Run
- Sakurai is shifting to discuss smash run. The field is random.
- Sakurai is picking Donkey Kong for Smash Run. he is playing it.
- You pick up powers that you can use in battle via the touch screen.
- There is a jet pack item.
- Warp lets you jump to a different area of the map in smash run - Smash Run can end with a regular battle, a throwing contest or a running contest
There could be more along the way.
From Nintendo Everything:
Pac-Man
- Pac-Man confirmed for the new Super Smash Bros.
- 8-bit moves for the character
- Pac-Man 3DS stage confirmed
- Pac-Man turns into an 8-bit version
- Pac-Man is normally his character from Pac-Man World
- Sakurai wanted to make retro Pac-Man, but the standard is PacLand PacMan
- Pac-Man throws fruit and eats Pac-Dots
- Game & Watch is back
- Pac-Man turns into pizza style after recovery move
- Pac-Man have a triple up bmove.
- Seems to have an attack where he uses the ghosts, throws fruit, and even places a fire hydrant on the ground
Character customization
- Sakurai talks about adjusting fighting style of character
- each character has 12 special variations
- You can select amongst 3 moves for each special attack slot
- Mario has a fireball, a fast fireball, and a fire orb; not usable in For Glory
- Palutena is different; she has unique special attacks; not derivative
- Characters can equip items that increase attack, defense and speed, but there are checks and balances
- Equipment also modifies characters by adjusting their balance
- Make a character quicker but then they are weaker
- You can change clothing if your Mii
- Each fighter type has its own wardrobe to select from
- Mii Fighters cannot be used in With Anyone mode online
- Can be used With Friends
Wii U/3DS connectivity
- You can carry customized characters through Wii U and 3DS
- Smash Run is easier to acquire unique items
- Smash Run is designed to help collect items/upgrades. These can be transferred to the Wii U game.
Figures
- FO stands for Figure Player. Users do not control them.
- figurines show up as FP (figure player) and are computer controlled. they can level up to 50. will learn your tendencies. better than level 9 cpus
- Figures will learntheir opponents tactics and adjust over time. They can also use items.
- FP are basically better computer players. can also be used as tag team players in matches
- Sakurai says you don’t have to get every single figure but he will
- Sakurai wants players to think of figures as their partners in battle. Sakurai says you don’t need to collect them all. But he will.
Smash Run
- Sakurai is shifting to discuss smash run. The field is random.
- Sakurai is picking Donkey Kong for Smash Run. he is playing it.
- You pick up powers that you can use in battle via the touch screen.
- There is a jet pack item.
- Warp lets you jump to a different area of the map in smash run - Smash Run can end with a regular battle, a throwing contest or a running contest
There could be more along the way.
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Knight Dude
Keeping it going.
Anyone think we'll get some more Pokemon news tomorrow? Either way, I'm excited to see what Pac-Man can do. I hope he has the design from Pac-Man World myself honestly.
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According to Nintendo, Pac-Man is the 33rd playable character announced for Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS. Pac-Man was revealed at the developer roundtable tonight with Masahiro Sakurai, creator of the popular fighting game franchise.
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I bet tonight's Pic of the Day will be saying Pac-Man is in.
Also, Mario can't shoot Megavitamins? Huh. Sounds like "no Dr. Mario costume then" at this point. Since that's kind of... what makes the character notable anyway.
Also, Mario can't shoot Megavitamins? Huh. Sounds like "no Dr. Mario costume then" at this point. Since that's kind of... what makes the character notable anyway.
LiteralGrill
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Huh, he says the game is balanced with items, FFA, and 1v1 in mind and the balance may be different for them... Hmm, it's almost like everyone should know that and that;s why 1v1 tier lists aren't magically all perfect matchups...
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#Dream 3rd party roster
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Sakurai redeemed for me
Also, dead figure hype is dead
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Oh, and questions.
...And now, Smash Invitational footage. A highlight reel to be specific. Sakurai enjoyed it. Though a tad nervous.
And yes, he predicted ZSS > Kirby.
Q: why would you want to release the different versions far apart?
A: Biggest reason is debug process. it is a really big game. They need several hundred testers and splitting the release gives them more time to space it out
Q: why are character transformations removed?
A: we want people to focus on single characters more deeply
Q: any plans for the competitive scene moving forward?
A: Sakurai doesn’t work with the competitive events directly. he loves the fans and will keep an eye on it
Q: Concern over balance after brawl's problems. A: it gets very technical. Sakurai was responsible for the changes from N64 to Melee. He had to use a broader grading system with help from staff when working on Brawl. The process became tricky due to biases in the graders' playing style. For the new games they have 12 graders, but there could still be balance anomolies.
A: it gets very technical. Sakurai was responsible for the changes from N64 to Melee. He had to use a broader grading system with help from staff when working on Brawl. The process became tricky due to biases in the graders’ playing style. For the new games they have 12 graders, but there could still be balance anomalies.
When creating a game, we cannot just appeal to traditional fanbases. We need to reach out to new gamers, and cater to many target users.
Sakurai points out some chars are better suited for 2 vs 4 player and with or without items. Sakurai considers smash a party game.
Q: you games have a stylish menu design. What is your philosophy on menu design?
A: In famitsu magazine he has written a whole page on that topic. The important items have to be big--words or icon, but eadily understood.
Sakurai loves menus. he writes a column for Famitsu and wrote all about it already there. He makes the important menu items big. doesn't need to be words but need to be easily understood.
He says to read his article.
A competitive Smash player is trying to challenge Sakurai to see if he can win and help balance the game. Sakurai asked "have you ever made a game?"
Q: when was Greninja chosen to be added? When did they decide to include Greninja?
A: All of the characters to consider were on our internal roster from the beginning of development. We had a slot for a new Pokemon reserved, but did not way for X and Y. We decided to use Greninja well before X/Y came out, based on early reference drawings.
Our own Jonny Metts asking about online in Smash Bros.
Q: online was broken in Brawl. How ensuring online experience will be good this time?
(Last question btw)
Sakurai believe he gave players too much choice in Brawl online. seems to have misunderstood intent of question.
In new game, they are giving more solidified options. Its tough to keep all 4 players synced up. Sakurai says to try to get strongest WiFi connection possible.
ith brawl the players could set up everything, with freedom. But we learned that some folks team up or play differently, making it difficult for all to enjoy. There is a reporting system. As far as technical connection issues, we're still working on it. They use async communication in Mario Kart and other games to improve this, but that doesn't work well for fighting games. So there is cascading failure, especially for four players. That is why they ask people to have the best communication system available (eg a LAN adapter)
A: Biggest reason is debug process. it is a really big game. They need several hundred testers and splitting the release gives them more time to space it out
Q: why are character transformations removed?
A: we want people to focus on single characters more deeply
Q: any plans for the competitive scene moving forward?
A: Sakurai doesn’t work with the competitive events directly. he loves the fans and will keep an eye on it
Q: Concern over balance after brawl's problems. A: it gets very technical. Sakurai was responsible for the changes from N64 to Melee. He had to use a broader grading system with help from staff when working on Brawl. The process became tricky due to biases in the graders' playing style. For the new games they have 12 graders, but there could still be balance anomolies.
A: it gets very technical. Sakurai was responsible for the changes from N64 to Melee. He had to use a broader grading system with help from staff when working on Brawl. The process became tricky due to biases in the graders’ playing style. For the new games they have 12 graders, but there could still be balance anomalies.
When creating a game, we cannot just appeal to traditional fanbases. We need to reach out to new gamers, and cater to many target users.
Sakurai points out some chars are better suited for 2 vs 4 player and with or without items. Sakurai considers smash a party game.
Q: you games have a stylish menu design. What is your philosophy on menu design?
A: In famitsu magazine he has written a whole page on that topic. The important items have to be big--words or icon, but eadily understood.
Sakurai loves menus. he writes a column for Famitsu and wrote all about it already there. He makes the important menu items big. doesn't need to be words but need to be easily understood.
He says to read his article.
A competitive Smash player is trying to challenge Sakurai to see if he can win and help balance the game. Sakurai asked "have you ever made a game?"
Q: when was Greninja chosen to be added? When did they decide to include Greninja?
A: All of the characters to consider were on our internal roster from the beginning of development. We had a slot for a new Pokemon reserved, but did not way for X and Y. We decided to use Greninja well before X/Y came out, based on early reference drawings.
Our own Jonny Metts asking about online in Smash Bros.
Q: online was broken in Brawl. How ensuring online experience will be good this time?
(Last question btw)
Sakurai believe he gave players too much choice in Brawl online. seems to have misunderstood intent of question.
In new game, they are giving more solidified options. Its tough to keep all 4 players synced up. Sakurai says to try to get strongest WiFi connection possible.
ith brawl the players could set up everything, with freedom. But we learned that some folks team up or play differently, making it difficult for all to enjoy. There is a reporting system. As far as technical connection issues, we're still working on it. They use async communication in Mario Kart and other games to improve this, but that doesn't work well for fighting games. So there is cascading failure, especially for four players. That is why they ask people to have the best communication system available (eg a LAN adapter)
...And now, Smash Invitational footage. A highlight reel to be specific. Sakurai enjoyed it. Though a tad nervous.
And yes, he predicted ZSS > Kirby.
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