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A plot device is anything used to move the story forward. Time traveling in Fringe falls under that.
Basically most things are plot devices as long as the move the story forward, which the time traveling aspect does in Fringe. Time travel is most certainly a plot device.
It should have just stuck with the parallel worlds imo. xD
Eh. This thread need some livening up anyway. xD
The colloquial usage of the term, in my experience, is better reflected by the second half of your quoted definition -- that is, an arbitrary or contrived development in a given narrative.
I'm sure this is not a minority view. What I appreciate most of Fringe is that it delved into such things as quantum mechanics and parallel realities, which is not something seen often in televised (/serialized) sci-fi-genre series. When dealing with Space and Time, it's only fair to touch on the latter at some point (they began dipping their toes in it as early as late S2, with the White Tulip episode). So I appreciated the increasing prominence of time-travel, especially since they had grounded the spatial aspects by then (i.e. differing realities).
What do you mean? This place is always lively.
Such series certainly exist, but they're in a minority -- if not in number, then certainly in recognition and popularity (and pop-cultural impact). And there are many shows that do the periodic Alternate Universe/Timeline episode (e.g. Star Trek), but such shows don't focus specifically on parallel realities as a central premise or theme.
Well, I'm not sure if you'd consider sc-fi shows "rumors".
Well, tell me how it goes.
You should switch the names and see if anyone notices.
This is where I differ from other people.
S2, S3, and S4 did a well enough job of handling it yes. But I contribute that to the fact that it wasn't the center of it. It was done in a way that didn't bug me as much because it was quite as important. S5 though, eh.I'm sure this is not a minority view. What I appreciate most of Fringe is that it delved into such things as quantum mechanics and parallel realities, which is not something seen often in televised (/serialized) sci-fi-genre series. When dealing with Space and Time, it's only fair to touch on the latter at some point (they began dipping their toes in it as early as late S2, with the White Tulip episode). So I appreciated the increasing prominence of time-travel, especially since they had grounded the spatial aspects by then (i.e. differing realities).
I actually found that Fringe handled time-travel pretty well in S2-S3-S4, in terms of internal consistency and whatnot. The only point where it kind of fell apart was in S5, when it came to the Observers and the series resolution. Which remains unfortunate, as it kind of sours the impression you have the entire journey (and spoils it outright for some).
Whatever the case, pretty sure everyone has things they would have changed or done differently in the show. I certainly do.
Not recently it hasn't. xDWhat do you mean? This place is always lively.
I'm more of Nintendo/Microsoft myself.
What kind of game?My videogame is making me mad >
2d platformer ala megaman. Its actually pretty cool, can't shoot yet, but we made most of the engine
Personally, I felt most of those elements weren't done to the full extent. The music I didn't enjoy that much as I did the other games. The legendaries look good, but lack a good backstory or impact compared to their predecessors, the latter of which is especially a problem for the villain team and AZ.I don't see what was so weak about it, the pokemon selection was fantastic, the starters were all great pokemon and each can reasonably be used in competitive for different things, the legendaries are great looking, music's great, locations are nice, the villains are a breath of fresh air, the characters are pretty interesting, AZ especially, all the new additions to the series have been done well (Pokemon Amie, Fairy type, super training, insta-wifi, mega evolution, etc.) and the competitive scene is easily the best the series has seen.
For on topic Smash talk...there will be pokemon in Smash Bros.
Basically my thinking too.
I'm well aware that in itself, a plot device -- in the sense of a nuts-and-bolts writing mechanic -- is neither good or bad. It is simply that often times, they're easier to spot when they're poorly done, since they then stick out more, like if you see through a street magician's sleight of hand. And as a result, when discussed, they tend to be discussed in a negative light.
That's a fair assessment. I was speaking more about how the actual logistics of time-travel held up rather well under scrutiny -- which is rather surprising (I say this as someone who spent many an hour deconstructing Fringe's execution of time-travel with other viewers).
how about a stage from the best one Pokemon channel
Wanna know something interesting? I got into contact with the composer of XD's soundtrack, Tsukasa Tawada. He's a really cool guy, believe it or not. (He actually follows me on soundcloud :D) He mentioned to me that Miror B.'s theme was inspired by his time in clubs during his youth. Really cool to be told something like that.
But if it's Pokemon Channel, we can't have this.how about a stage from the best one Pokemon channel
Ah Colosseum and XD...I grew up with those games. Brings back memories. In regards to Smash, wouldn't it be interesting if Wes was a Pokemon newcomer?
Pokemon has always been "The jack of all trades" of the rpg world.
Miror B. is the best Pokemon Newcomer.Ah Colosseum and XD...I grew up with those games. Brings back memories. In regards to Smash, wouldn't it be interesting if Wes was a Pokemon newcomer?
Oh gawd. Now you've done it. I have his theme songs stuck in my head.Miror B. is the best Pokemon Newcomer.
NO.
Because to be quite honest, I feel it's worse about it. I honestly felt it was a step back from Gen 4 and 5 in terms of storytelling as it went back to the generic Gym Leaders, rushed the pacing of their teams, the backstory of the legendaries and region is rather underdeveloped, and the characters are underdeveloped. I won't say Pokémon is perfect in that area, but the previous games were much better about it then it was here.
Yes, but does that mean the faults aren't there now? They are first attempts, but that doesn't mean we can't critique those attempts as they are. The other generations get critiqued for their flaws with old and new mechanics so I don't see why that has to be completely overlooked for Gen 6 either. Those mistakes are still mistakes that can be looked at critically.
Personally, I like both versions.
My favorite level in Tropical Freeze is probably 2-B Rodent Ruckus. Love that arrangement, plus Rocketbarrel levels are really fun in that game.
Ahh yeah that was a good one.
I get what you are saying. But I still see the stuff as plot devices. xDI'm well aware that in itself, a plot device -- in the sense of a nuts-and-bolts writing mechanic -- is neither good or bad. It is simply that often times, they're easier to spot when they're poorly done, since they then stick out more, like if you see through a street magician's sleight of hand. And as a result, when discussed, they tend to be discussed in a negative light.
I see serialized shows as a theater play. Plot devices, and other storytelling gears, consist of the ropes and pulleys behind the stage. An effective story makes these underpinnings subtle and unseen, since the point is to draw the audience into the actual play on stage through the performance of the actors, the script, the set design, etc. (and in a television show, the writing/internal consistency/pacing/special effects/etc.). If the props suck, if the performances are amateurish, if you keep on seeing things behind the scenes that distract from the onstage drama, then the experience as a whole is diminished.
In this respect, a television writer, for instance, is like an illusionist. You know it's all a fabrication, but their job is to nonetheless mesmerize you with their showmanship and skill. That's what Suspension of Disbelief is supposed to be about, or so I would think.
As someone interested in the craft of storytelling, I'm certainly able to analyze a work from a technical perspective. But I'm also game with just following whatever's going on screen. If I have a way in which I "experience" fiction, it's in that I just want to know how everything fits together (just as many strokes of a brush give rise to a full painting).
I think what you term plot device, I simply term plot development (i.e. an event that occurs to the characters, or occurs as a result of their actions). A story moves forward as a result of the actions and reactions of the given set of characters, after all.
To then be actively analyzing a story as a sequence of events the whole way through -- A happens, which leads to B, which leads to C -- is certainly not an experience I've had (A relates to B, which is not connected to C, but is tied to D, etc.). I suppose whereas you're interested in causality (what happens), I'm more interested in interconnectedness (how everything fits).
As a result, your lack of enthusiasm for the saturation of time-travel stories is understandable.
Of course, talking about flaws is a pretty standard thing, but did you noticed that your negative points you go into great detail into but your positive points you just pass over? The good points are just as important, if not more so, than the negative points. They are the points you enjoy after all so you gotta make sure the game companies keep them in and improve them. How does one improve something when they don't know what was liked about it in the first place?
I was responding to a post that asked for the negatives about the game so I didn't focus on the positives, if I was asked for a more accurate review you'd have a point, but that was not what was asked so it wasn't addressed in that manner.
I guess for me, it's more that I absorb all the information I'm presented with like a sponge, then work out the connections between elements. A story is like a sculpture made of words, to my eyes.
