Smash 4 Social Thread 3.0

[BluePikmin11]

With Smash being a party game (a game for casuals), it's kinda comparable to how Sakurai chooses a newcomer with different demographics and not just the hardcore Smash fanbase.

Yeah in the Wii U one I can now differentiate Pit and Dark Pit.


Thanks Sakurai!

So if you want to make a clone different from their original, give them angry eyebrows.

 

[Fastblade5035]

Did @ Fastblade5035 change his avatar because he couldn't play the violin?

Nope, just alternating between my two favorites.
I am still very much capable of playing the fiddle

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

I think this is where I'll call people out on things.

 

[FalKoopa]

Nope, just alternating between my two favorites.
I am still very much capable of playing the fiddle

Did you play the fiddle when the site was burning in the flame wars?

 

[Blargg888]

I think this is where I'll call people out on things.

Like?
Such as?

 

[Space Stranger]

I think this is where I'll call people out on things.

@ Rocket Raccoon

^ I've screen-capped him right now. DON'T FALL FOR HIS TRAP!

 

[Bedoop]

0/10 no FLUDD

1) It's F.L.U.D.D. "The Flash Liquidizer Ultra Dowsing Device".
2)

would you like anything else

 

[Fastblade5035]

Did you play the fiddle when the site was burning in the flame wars?

Wherever a fanboy be raging, whether large-scale war or small, my fiddle shall continue to burn rosin.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

1) It's F.L.U.D.D. "The Flash Liquidizer Ultra Dowsing Device".
2) View attachment 27087 would you like anything else

nyan cat

 

[Sil]

So... I beat 'Master Clone' as Wario while he was on his bike, and it just kinda... stayed there.

 

[Space Stranger]

So... I beat 'Master Clone' as Wario while he was on his bike, and it just kinda... stayed there.

I guess you could say Wario's bike is a real *puts on sunglasses* HOG!

 

[Jaedrik]

Did you play the fiddle when the site was burning in the flame wars?

"the flame wars"?!?
DID I MISS SOMETHING?!
I LIKE FIRE

 

[JesseMcCloud]

So, I'd ask every person here: 1. What is your single favorite/most satisfying aspect of Smash 4? 2. What is the most disappointing thing to you?
For me, it's:
1. Winning a tight online battle with no lag.
2. Robin. Just feels so clunky, I can't main him like I thought I would.

 

[Bedoop]

nyan cat

Anything else?

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

View attachment 27088 Anything else?

Have him high five Wario and have an exploding planet in the background and Shadow the Hedgehog carrying a Silver Bow and "Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series" logo. And a tongue licking Wario. And a sign that says "not a clone"

 

[FlareHabanero]

As for Dark Pit, they may have had not enough time to tinker with him a little more without disrupting the game's balance. Lucina's change isn't that big either, but the nature of it has different and more distinct consequences on her gameplay style.

The difference between Lucina and Dark Pit is the formers changes effects most attacks while the latter effects only two. Between Marth and Lucina, Lucina is more beginner friendly due to her attacks being consistent, however because of that consistency she can't do techniques like Marth can by manipulating the sweet and sourspot spot of the Falchion. To a generic player, they prefer one or the other based on which character they feel more comfortable with. Want sweet and sour sauce shenanigans? Pick Marth. Want a more vanilla approach? Pick Lucina.

It also applies to other clones too. Want to be a jack of all trades? Pick Mario. Want a more mighty glacier/glass cannon take of said idea? Pick Doc. Want power over speed? Pick Link. Want speed over power? Pick Young/Toon Link.

With Pit and Dark Pit, they feel too interchangeable. There are differences sure, but ultimately their playstyles are the same. Attacks hit with the same power, speed, and range, with no variables to it. Same thing with their movement. So the sense of preferences is blurred, which in my opinion is a bad way to make a clone character. Clone characters should be viewed as alternatives, with the choice being that you like the moveset but you may prefer a different playstyle accompanying it.

 

[Bedoop]

Have him high five Wario and have an exploding planet in the background and Shadow the Hedgehog carrying a Silver Bow and "Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series" logo. And a tongue licking Wario. And a sign that says "not a clone"

On it

 

[FalKoopa]

"the flame wars"?!?
DID I MISS SOMETHING?!
I LIKE FIRE

September 13.

 

[Space Stranger]

So, I'd ask every person here: 1. What is your single favorite/most satisfying aspect of Smash 4? 2. What is the most disappointing thing to you?
For me, it's:
1. Winning a tight online battle with no lag.
2. Robin. Just feels so clunky, I can't main him like I thought I would.

1. Soundtrack, the remixes and selections are good.
2. All-star feels easy, even on hard.

 

[Frostwraith]

The difference between Lucina and Dark Pit is the formers changes effects most attacks while the latter effects only two. Between Marth and Lucina, Lucina is more beginner friendly due to her attacks being consistent, however because of that consistency she can't do techniques like Marth can by manipulating the sweet and sourspot spot of the Falchion. To a generic player, they prefer one or the other based on which character they feel more comfortable with. Want sweet and sour sauce shenanigans? Pick Marth. Want a more vanilla approach? Pick Lucina.

It also applies to other clones too. Want to be a jack of all trades? Pick Mario. Want a more mighty glacier/glass cannon take of said idea? Pick Doc. Want power over speed? Pick Link. Want speed over power? Pick Young/Toon Link.

With Pit and Dark Pit, they feel too interchangeable. There are differences sure, but ultimately their playstyles are the same. Attacks hit with the same power, speed, and range, with no variables to it. Same thing with their movement. So the sense of preferences is blurred, which in my opinion is a bad way to make a clone character. Clone characters should be viewed as alternatives, with the choice being that you like the moveset but you may prefer a different playstyle accompanying it.

I am very well aware of that.

I mean, you know me as a Dark Pit fan, but I completely agree that he brings nothing new to the gameplay. Putting it bluntly, he's a glorified costume gameplay-wise.

However, like I said, from a development standpoint, both Lucina and Dark Pit had very minute changes. It's just that Lucina's changes end up being more consequential to her gameplay than Dark Pit's are. Lucina's lack of a tipper affects her gameplay as a whole, while Dark Pit's arrow and Arm changes are just as slight, but end up not affecting the gameplay that much.

Dr. Mario, as well as the six clones in Melee, had more work put into them that made them clearly more distinct.

 

[FalKoopa]

Doc is distinct because he wasn't changed, actually.

By the way, I found this.

I never knew "Bidoof!" was onomatopoeia...

 

[Blargg888]

"the flame wars"?!?
DID I MISS SOMETHING?!
I LIKE FIRE

It was Mario vs Charizard.
There was fire everywhere.

 

[Deleted member]

A DEMO OF BAYO 2 ON ESHOP.

OH YEAH.

 

[Blargg888]

Doc is distinct because he wasn't changed, actually.

Wasn't Doc made slower than he was in Melee?

 

[Knuckles the Knuckles]

A DEMO OF BAYO 2 ON ESHOP.

OH YEAH.

YEP

 

[Bedoop]

Have him high five Wario and have an exploding planet in the background and Shadow the Hedgehog carrying a Silver Bow and "Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series" logo. And a tongue licking Wario. And a sign that says "not a clone"

All aboard the Hype Train

 

[Substitution]

Doc is distinct because he wasn't changed, actually.

By the way, I found this.

I never knew "Bidoof!" was onomatopoeia...

What do you mean? Bidoof is new and innovative. It's just what the onomatopoeia industry needs!

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

So I was called a "nerd" for liking Smash.

Like I give a crap what you say.

 

[FalKoopa]

So I was called a "nerd" for liking Smash.

Like I give a crap what you say.

What are you talking about?

 

[Knuckles the Knuckles]

So I was called a "nerd" for liking Smash.

Like I give a crap what you say.

Pffff, humans

 

[Bedoop]

Hey, PUNK! Wanna settle our disagreement in SMASH 4 or unless that you're a chicken! P.S: http://youtu.be/VTDCEiBeVAY

They just left this on my profile.
SHE IS GOING TO MEET MR. GREEN & WATCH WHEN I GET THE GAME.
MR. GREEN & WATCH AIN'T NO JOKE.

 

[Staarih]

Ugh, the Dark Pit discussion just never ends. I'm definitely not a fan but he's in the game so no can do. Not surprised at him not getting his own trailer, appearing in Palutena's trailer is enough. No "Newcomer"-label on his page is a bit weird though, maybe it's not considered necessary for secret characters. We'll see when DHD and Bowser Jr. appear.

 

[FalconFire93]

This is why I don't talk to hardly anybody on Facebook, they bash anything you like, I swear if they bash Smash Bros, it's on!

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

This is why I don't talk to hardly anybody on Facebook, they bash anything you like, I swear if they bash Smash Bros, it's on!

I meant IRL

 

[Blargg888]

So. How's everyone doing?

 

[Frostwraith]

Ugh, the Dark Pit discussion just never ends. I'm definitely not a fan but he's in the game so no can do. Not surprised at him not getting his own trailer, appearing in Palutena's trailer is enough. No "Newcomer"-label on his page is a bit weird though, maybe it's not considered necessary for secret characters. We'll see when DHD and Bowser Jr. appear.

I do remember that Brawl Dojo made no distinction between secret veterans or newcomers, having them lumped together in the same category, so...

This is why I don't talk to hardly anybody on Facebook, they bash anything you like, I swear if they bash Smash Bros, it's on!

Settle it in Smash? Oh wait...

 

[Substitution]

So. How's everyone doing?

Quite all right. The only thing to note from me is that I'm trying to figure out whether I should main Dr. Mario or stick with Mario.

 

[Knuckles the Knuckles]

Knowing Dark Pit was a late addition that made it in the game only because he was easy to make from existing data, Im happy he made it in and made the roster a little bigger. Between either having either Dark Pit or nothing, I'd choose Dark Pit.

Though Dark Pit would choose nothing as it represents the dark void in his heart

 

[Frostwraith]

We couldn't just have Pit without his other half hanging around, picking fights and crashing the party like nobody's business.

I'd say he pretty much crashed some hype trains in his arrival.

Smash fans: "Dark Pit, you just dropped in to crash our hype?"
: "Uh-uh."

 

[Aurane]

Dark Pit is a character I feel could have been completely different from Pit, but I deal because it's not like I play as him anyways.