Sleep, should you wake up on contact?

[Wrath`]

This Idea came to me as I was playing the battle arcade yesterday. I was in my 29-35 run, and a Jynx put my Swampert to sleep with Lovely Kiss. I was out cold for three turns while it kept pumping Ice Beams into me, and since it was my last Pokemon, I lost.

So it got me thinking, should a Pokemon wake up on contact with a move? Should it be only physical moves? What are your thoughts?

 

[Jolteon]

I'd have to see how it affects the metagame before saying if it was good or bad, but I think it would make Gengar much more limited.

 

[jigglyppuff8]

Wake-up Slap.

 

[highfive]

Wow. Hadn't really though about it. Most sleep attacks are pretty inaccurate anyhow (my mind drifts to Hypnosis) so I think that just putting an enemy to sleep should deserve to stick with the opponent regardless of attacks. But if I had to go with one, I'd say physical. I mean, if you get Body Slammed by someone and your asleep, big chance your going to wake up.

 

[Wave⁂]

Hm... yeah, I guess, narratively this makes sense.

I guess you could also make the argument that using a physical move while burned has a chance to burn that target. That'd be cool. Flame Orb Clefable would be even awesomer.

 

[Tarmogoyf]

Common sense says you wake up. I'd like to see it tested before it's implemented if it would be though.

 

[Wave⁂]

I don't think the original poster is proposing that Pokemon should wake up on contact.

 

[Wrath`]

I don't think the original poster is proposing that Pokemon should wake up on contact.

I am actualy.

 

[KROE]

Very interesting Topic, I for one completely agree Wrath. Great Topic =3

 

[SpiredMoth]

someone finally asked this!

i think that the pokemon should wake up on contact, but only from direct attacks rather than all physical (burn could be passed through DAs as well) this would allow for your poke to wake up from attacks and still keep the game fairly balanced

 

[Jolteon]

Actually, I didn't think about this earlier, but are you proposing this idea while getting rid of the current sleep system or not?

If the only way to wake up was via a contact move then it'd be an easy chance to use buff moves while forcing a switch at the same time.

Whether that's good or bad is for you to decide.

 

[zrky]

Yeah, I would say only attacks that actually make physical contact from the foes body (be it arm, leg, head, or body). If every physical attack woke you up, then that would be kinda broken. Even some status affecting moves should wake you up, i.e.: tail whip, thunder wave.

Now that I think of it, maybe a new move split would work (like the physical/special split), there could be a class for moves that defrost you, wake you up, and relieve burns.

 

[Jolteon]

I'm pretty sure a few moves already defrost you, unless it's changed from the rby days.

 

[zrky]

I'm pretty sure a few moves already defrost you, unless it's changed from the rby days.

I can't remember being in a situation where that would happen, so I really don't know.

 

[D13]

This is a cool idea, and it makes sense. Colin wouldn't be the one to implement it, though. Colin wants to emulate the pokemon games as accurately as possible.

 

[Jolteon]

Any fire-type attack or Haze defrosted in RBY.

You'd have to be stupid to do it though since it was effectively the same as KO'ing them. o_O

 

[Platypus]

I suppose that "noise" moves, Fighting-type moves, Ice-type moves, Water-type moves, and Normal-type moves should awaken opponents, but it wouldn't affect the metagame much.

It would actually help Brel00b; Focus Punch would wake the opponent up and Spore would put 'em right back down. It wouldn't make a difference to Gengar or Crobat, but it would throw Milotic down a notch.

 

[Jolteon]

Breloom:

Spore
FPunch
Swords Dance
Stone edge/whatever

Get SR support
Spore
FPunch a switch-in/Stone Edge a flyer/ghost
Buff when they don't swap
???
Profit!

 

[Tarmogoyf]

I suppose that "noise" moves, Fighting-type moves, Ice-type moves, Water-type moves, and Normal-type moves should awaken opponents, but it wouldn't affect the metagame much.

It would actually help Brel00b; Focus Punch would wake the opponent up and Spore would put 'em right back down. It wouldn't make a difference to Gengar or Crobat, but it would throw Milotic down a notch.

Milotic has gone down enough as is. Leave her alone.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

MY Breloom would be a lot less efficient with his spore/ focus punch tactic

EDit: HA, I just read above...MAybe it wouldn't be so bad

 

[Bowser King]

I can't remember being in a situation where that would happen, so I really don't know.

All fire type moves when used on the opponent thaw them out (with the exception of sacred fire and flame wheel which thaw you out at the same time).

This idea seems interesting. I wonder how it would change things for certain pokemon like, as mention, breloom could change a bit.

-Bowser King

 

[SpiredMoth]

All fire type moves when used on the opponent thaw them out (with the exception of sacred fire and flame wheel which thaw you out at the same time).

This idea seems interesting. I wonder how it would change things for certain pokemon like, as mention, breloom could change a bit.

-Bowser King

you forgot that flare blitz thaws the user as well

 

[supermarth64]

It's the Battle Arcade: Deal with it.

Also sleep isn't OP, just use a status absorber. It's one of the things one has to deal with when building a team, just like how you need Pokemon to check other Pokemon.

 

[12345678910]

You can always just not get put to sleep in the first place by running over your foe's team. Breloom seems to be the hardest sleep threat to get around if you're used to running a slow team(because spore is broken) but it's not so bad. I've never really needed a status absorber.

Platinum nerfed hypnosis and other changes dramatically changed how often you see fast, fragile sleep inducers (Gengar as an example).

Trying to put a pokemon to sleep puts you at a great risk in the current metagame if you miss and even if you hit there's a chance they'll wake up on the second turn so you end up where you started.

 

[Circa]

Hm... yeah, I guess, narratively this makes sense.

I guess you could also make the argument that using a physical move while burned has a chance to burn that target. That'd be cool. Flame Orb Clefable would be even awesomer.

Uhhhh...what? You do realize that when they say burn, they don't mean on fire, right? They basically just mean horrible scarring and blisters. And if you've ever been burned to the point of scarring, you'd understand the effect. That **** hurts, and it lasts. And it does make you feel weaker, because it's pain that basically doesn't go away, and it takes energy from you to even forget about the pain long enough to do something with the effected body part. Thus, the effect of burn in Pokemon.

As for the sleep idea, I agree.

 

[Platypus]

Flame Orb'd Clefable doesn't heat up bodily; it's the Orb that's hot. Like the Toxic Orb, the Flame Orb only burns when Flung or swapped onto enemy flesh.

Magma Armor would do well with a "chance of D.A.s causing Burn" tidbit.

Sleep isn't too much of a problem to me 'cuz of Sleep Clause. If my last monster were up against Jirachi, that would be unfair, I think.

Has anyone else ever used EncoRoth? It is a brilliant machine of sodomy.

 

[Wave⁂]

Uhhhh...what? You do realize that when they say burn, they don't mean on fire, right? They basically just mean horrible scarring and blisters. And if you've ever been burned to the point of scarring, you'd understand the effect. That **** hurts, and it lasts. And it does make you feel weaker, because it's pain that basically doesn't go away, and it takes energy from you to even forget about the pain long enough to do something with the effected body part. Thus, the effect of burn in Pokemon.

As for the sleep idea, I agree.

Well, when you take burn damage, there's little fires under your Pokemon's feet.

 

[Jolteon]

That's because it's just a battle animation, you don't think sparks literally fly out of your Pokémon when they're fully paralyzed, do you?

 

[KROE]

hehe, guess not but wouldn't that be totally dazzling, Like you see sparks from your pokemon. Awww naw, I take that back, I'd cry if anything happened to my pokemon and I was forced to see them suffer.

I wuv my Pokemon

=3

 

[Circa]

Well, when you take burn damage, there's little fires under your Pokemon's feet.

Like they said, there's also little sparks that shoot out when you're paralyzed. Oddly enough, however, electric and ground types can still be paralyzed; despite the fact that the battle animation shows electric shocks, which they should be immune to.

The burn is simply symbolic, much like the shock. I mean seriously...do you think the game would be rated E if it showed REAL burns being torn at? To be quite honest, I don't think I'd even play this game if that were the case. The animation would probably make me queasy.

 

[D13]

I lol at the thought of the battle scenes being made realistic. With blood and burns and stuff.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

I lol at the thought of the battle scenes being made realistic. With blood and burns and stuff.

:flame:
Nintendo would never do that though. Pokemon would be rated M if Tyranitar went around litteraly butt-****** people with Stone Edge and if Garchomp went around stabing people through the hearts with Dragon Claw. Why do you think Pokemon are never seen hitting eachother, and that they only faint when they are beaten? No way on Earth a lvl 2 minimum Iv Lax Magikarp would survive a Lvl 100 Max Iv Modest 252 Eved Deoxys' Thunder. He just "fainted". Come to think of it, Nintendo's been very censor oriented. If Captain Falcon really ran Dedede over with the Blue Falcon, he'd be splattered over the ground. But no, Deaths in SSB are just being people "falling outside of the screen".

Back to the subject, it would unbalance the game for those that rely on using Sleep Attacks to help their team or set up to be able to wake up from being hit. And it would probably make it rigged for special attackers if they could just put you to sleep and then Hyperbeam you forever without worrying about it. I think the probablity of waking up could be related to the base damage of the move, being hit with an Earthquake+ could wake you up very quickly, while being Pounded wouldn't mess you up at all. If anything, it would be Physical Contact moves, like the ones that activate Static and Rough Skin, that wake you up. I know I'd be hoping mad if someone walked up to me and Focus Punched me after I was just watching Yuna-voir doing her special dance that Hypnotised me.
:flame: