Social Skyworld Hub - "Soaring through the Skys"

[Final-Fortress]

Stop disappearing

Sorry.

I'll try not to.

 

[momochii]

That moment when our non edgy selves decides to challenge us.

Spoiler

 

[TMNTSSB4]

That moment when our non edgy selves decides to challenge us.

Spoiler

To bad whenever I do this...I come on on top of the edge

Sorry.

I'll try not to.

1 minute later you don't show up until the summer break...even though we're now in Spring Break

 

[LancerStaff]

Should have my copy of Pokken shortly... Anybody else getting the game?

 

[CHOMPY]

I am! Lets play tomorrow night.

 

[ReRaze]

In order:

1. Widen the spikebox of DAir, eliminating either the upwards sourspot or the horizontal sourspot
2. Reduce endlag on DownB
3. Reduce endlag on FSmash
4. Reduce endlag on NeutralB

Nah Spike hitbox is fine, I like the sourspots it's really good for combos and footstool combos.
2 and 3 would be good but I feel like it would be overdoing things can you imagine if Pit could throw out fsmashes like metaknight? Pit's is faster and longer, it would be pretty darn broken.
4 is unnecesary for Pit but might be useful for Dark Pit (because full hop arrows have literally no endlag). Then again as long as they are not as spammable as brawl arrows it should be fine.

Yeah, i'd like a stronger side B as well. Or to be more specific, a faster one.

That's a brilliant idea, they should give pit more range and speed on his side b to make up for kill power. And to balance that give Dark Pit faster arrows and less endlag.
Also More super armour on side b pls, I don't like randomly being jabbed out of side b. Frame 1 SA like Ryu would be nice :3
Also give pit more mobility, faster air speed/higher jumps/faster fall speed or something, gives him more off a presence especially offstage and gives more leniency to combos/footstool resets.
Hmmm what else, maybe make his smash attacks a tad stronger, they are ok but kinda pale in comparison to the plethora of other smash attacks that kill really early.

Also I'm glad the arguements are over.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Should have my copy of Pokken shortly... Anybody else getting the game?

Never Will...

unless I get Fire Emblem Fates

Also I'm glad the arguements are over.

Don't you ****ing dare jinx it m8

 

[ReRaze]

TMNTSSB4 lol ok, on another note I'm switching back to more Pit.

 

[Final-Fortress]

To bad whenever I do this...I come on on top of the edge

1 minute later you don't show up until the summer break...even though we're now in Spring Break

U wot m8.

Nah, but seriously, my internet has been real ****ing ****ty so that's why you've had a glorious month or two free of my annoying little presence.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

TMNTSSB4 lol ok, on another note I'm switching back to more Pit.

Good One Laddie

U wot m8.

Nah, but seriously, my internet has been real ****ing ****ty so that's why you've had a glorious month or two free of my annoying little presence.

We need you...to eat your Booty-O Cereal

 

[LancerStaff]

Ooh, I'd love to CHOMPY , but I'm not sure when I'll be home tomorrow or if I'll even feel like it. Cough legit got worse. Bleh. This is probably the worst of at least.

 

[FiXalaS]

I am getting it as well, soon...

nobody touches my chandelue.

 

[Tito Maas]

Nah Spike hitbox is fine, I like the sourspots it's really good for combos and footstool combos.
2 and 3 would be good but I feel like it would be overdoing things can you imagine if Pit could throw out fsmashes like metaknight? Pit's is faster and longer, it would be pretty darn broken.
4 is unnecesary for Pit but might be useful for Dark Pit (because full hop arrows have literally no endlag). Then again as long as they are not as spammable as brawl arrows it should be fine.

1. Pit would benefit far more from having a reliable kill spike than "combo Dair". We already have three aerials that combo into themselves easily. Widening the spike box would solve a lot of Pit's kill problems without tinkering too much with his character. The Dair already doesn't have much knock back on the spike as it is for the spikebox to be as small as it is (doesn't meteor until 90, which is what, by far the latest for a non-multihit spike?). Pit does not become a worse character with a more reliable spike.

And if not Pit, put it on Dark Pit which would actually make a lot of sense.

2. Pit has one of the laggiest FSmashes in the game, to the point where it's unusable outside of a very hard read. Reducing endlag doesn't make it Meta Knight level at all.

3. Hey, he said be greedy. I use arrows in the neutral a lot, so my game would personally benefit greatly by being able to shoot more in that area of play

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Everyone watch Daredevil Season 2

 

[ReRaze]

1. Pit would benefit far more from having a reliable kill spike than "combo Dair". We already have three aerials that combo into themselves easily. Widening the spike box would solve a lot of Pit's kill problems without tinkering too much with his character. The Dair already doesn't have much knock back on the spike as it is for the spikebox to be as small as it is (doesn't meteor until 90, which is what, by far the latest for a non-multihit spike?). Pit does not become a worse character with a more reliable spike.

And if not Pit, put it on Dark Pit which would actually make a lot of sense.

2. Pit has one of the laggiest FSmashes in the game, to the point where it's unusable outside of a very hard read. Reducing endlag doesn't make it Meta Knight level at all.

3. Hey, he said be greedy. I use arrows in the neutral a lot, so my game would personally benefit greatly by being able to shoot more in that area of play

1) Hmmm I agree having a stronger spike would be reaaaally nice and would help alot with killing. Having a bigger spike hitbox is something easily solved with good ol' precision I really see no need for a buff there. Having a combo dair and spike gives his dair depth and more utility just takes more skill for more reward. Reliably landing the spike is no issue. Reliably killing with it....yeah a buff would be nice to the kill power. Also we do not have three other aerials that link easily into each other, if we did pretty sure we'd be alot higher on the tier list I mean one of the reasons PM pit is so good was that he could easily chain fairs and uairs, or just look at shiek's fair or ZSS' uair.....yeah we don't have anything like that although I would like it :3

2) depends on how much endlag you reduce. I guess reducing it enough so that it's safe when spaced is reasonable and would actually be really good. Just not metaknight levels of cooldown such that it becomes a frame 10 spammable kill move for us.

3) PK Gaming shouldn't have said be greedy xP I'm just ignoring that bit because if I was greedy I'd probs end up creating something far worse than

I'm imagining Pit with arrows that stunned or spiked rn....

 

[Final-Fortress]

Good One Laddie

We need you...to eat your Booty-O Cereal

I think my profile picture sums up my initial reaction when reading that comment.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I think my profile picture sums up my initial reaction when reading that comment.

Booty-O's

They make sure you ain't booty

 

[LancerStaff]

Pit's Fsmash isn't even that laggy... Comparing the first hit to Marth's Fsmash it's only got 7 frames more of endlag. Comparing the second hit to Marth's Fsmash it's like 4 frames faster.

I mean, I don't see why it should have less endlag. It trades good endlag for good start-up. Pit already has a smash attack with good endlag: Dsmash 2. Dsmash 2 has frame data comparable to MK's Fsmash, though it comes out slightly faster and has a bit more endlag.

 

[Sensane]

I want to play Pokken so badly. If only I cared about Pokemon

Edit: this means I won't get it.

 

[Koiba]

If side b had like, 50 frames less end lag it would be hilarious.


Someone mod that in pls

*Promises not to disappear again* *Disappears*


Whoops.

EDIT: This is probably a bad time to intrude. I apologize.

Gurl, there is no bad times in intrude in the Pit social

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I want to play Pokken so badly. If only I cared about Pokemon

Edit: this means I won't get it.

Our struggles

Pit's Fsmash isn't even that laggy... Comparing the first hit to Marth's Fsmash it's only got 7 frames more of endlag. Comparing the second hit to Marth's Fsmash it's like 4 frames faster.

I mean, I don't see why it should have less endlag. It trades good endlag for good start-up. Pit already has a smash attack with good endlag: Dsmash 2. Dsmash 2 has frame data comparable to MK's Fsmash, though it comes out slightly faster and has a bit more endlag.

Down Smash is life

 

[PK Gaming]

Who do you plan on maining in Pokken?

I don't think i'll get the game anytime soon, but if I did i'd go with Garchomp

HARDBODY DRAGON, BABY, ALL DAY EVERY DAY

 

[Sensane]

If I did get pokken I'd main mewtwo. He and lucario are the only pokemon that I really like.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I would play Pikachu and Lucario

 

[Final-Fortress]

Booty-O's

They make sure you ain't booty

But what if I want to be booty? You can't control me, Mom!

 

[TMNTSSB4]

But what if I want to be booty? You can't control me, Mom!

That's Uncle Daddy to you

 

[Sensane]

That's Uncle Daddy to you

Don't you mean uncle grandpa?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Don't you mean uncle grandpa?

No

Uncle Grandpa is a dumbass

Uncle Daddy is a magical unicorn who eats his Booty...

...O Cereal.

 

[Tito Maas]

CHOMPY and LancerStaff , I have a couple of questions on the Dthrow follow up.

When is it most optimal to follow DThrow up with DAir? When is it most optimal to follow up with UAir? When s it most optimal to follow up with BAir? USmash? I've seen Pits use all four of these follow-ups but so far I'm not completely sure why one is preferable over the other besides my personal experiences; USmash guarantees the most damage safely, DAir is less likely to land but you can follow up with a second one if mixed correctly, which would lead to the most damage. UAir seems like it's really most optimal only at higher percents. Any comments you two could make?

 

[Sensane]

CHOMPY and LancerStaff , I have a couple of questions on the Dthrow follow up.

When is it most optimal to follow DThrow up with DAir? When is it most optimal to follow up with UAir? When s it most optimal to follow up with BAir? USmash? I've seen Pits use all four of these follow-ups but so far I'm not completely sure why one is preferable over the other besides my personal experiences; USmash guarantees the most damage safely, DAir is less likely to land but you can follow up with a second one if mixed correctly, which would lead to the most damage. UAir seems like it's really most optimal only at higher percents. Any comments you two could make?

I know you asked other people, but I might as well help, too:

D-air and u-smash at low percents.
U-air at higher percents.
B-air I find an overrated followup as it can be annoying to sweetspot it and it really doesn't deal anymore damage than u-smash, but if you can perfect pivot it then I guess it can work at low percents.
Really it's just a matter of personal preference and the character's weight, gravity, fall speed, size, etc.

 

[LancerStaff]

Pretty much, yeah. Xacer told me if they DI Dthrow > Uair it makes Dthrow > Usmash work longer, so that's something to keep in mind.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I can get down with this

 

[ReRaze]

Tito Maas (I know you didn't ask me but hopefully I can still be of help)
Sensane
I almost never use dthrow > usmash anymore. I either go dthrow dair or bair, you really don't have to perfect pivot (just do a turnaround bair) to land bair and the sweetspot is massive. Dthrow bair and dair give the most option for followups, if they DI away dthrow > bair works best and if they DI in dthrow > dair works best. Dair and Bair work best from low to mid percents. Dthrow > usmash is sub optimal but it is the most reliable. After a certain percent you will be pretty much restricted to uair (mid-high percents) but if they DI down and/or away to avoid uair you can still go for usmash and at higher percents bair (near the ledge this'll kill on some characters around 80% ish).

Usmash and Uair can lead to juggles whilst Dair and Bair have more combo potential (dair leading to true combos and bair putting you in a good position for a followup) and can lead to stage control. Since you main Dark Pit imo you probably want stage control because of the electroshock and Pit is slightly better at juggling due to arrows and doesn't mind too much about stage control since his upperdash kills the same everywhere. Like Sensane said, your pick really. Personally I get alot of mileage out of bair and dair.

 

[Sensane]

I need really thought about d-throw to d-air tbh; I otta try that some time.

 

[Koiba]

Use down throw to dair to nair


and if you miss say **** it and do down throw to usmash just cause

 

[Y2Kay]

I always use down throw to nair.

people love to air dodge too much

 

[CHOMPY]

The problem with Dthrow to Usmash are three reasons

1) Doesn't work on floaties after 20%
2) Stales your up smash for when you want to get in on those kills.
3) There are other follow up moves that deal more percentage.

 

[Y2Kay]

The problem with Dthrow to Usmash are three reasons

2) Stales your up smash for when you want to get in on those kills.

I remember Nairo saying he doesn't do d throw to up smash for this specific reason

 

[CHOMPY]

Did he mention that on his stream?

 

[Y2Kay]

Did he mention that on his stream?

no he didn't say it himself. The commentators at the KTAR (Where tweek went on his first tear with Cloud) mentioned he had said that.

and if you look at his play, he never uses it.