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Event - EVO 2013 (Breast Cancer Research Drive) Skullgirls Misleading reddit thread

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Cubelarooso

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Oh wait, the literally was referring to the "No point" part specifically, not the "Lose ourselves" part.
I don't think we're in danger of becoming literally lost.
 

Todd Bonney

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You know, we DO have a lot more Smash players than they have Skullgirls players. By that logic we also have more trolls than they do. Both communities probably have the same ratio of upstanding members:trolls. That being said, the Smash community is so big that our trolls probably outnumber their entire community. :awesome:
QFT. I hope people can remember that when trying to cherrypick posts made by "the smash community."

Baloney. That's nothing but a transparent justification of suppressing ideas. You think they have an similar policy against upvoting comments based on ideas, rather than content? If you're not in line with the reddit hivemind, prepare to be buried.

Downvote whatever you want.
 

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Not anymore. The skullgirls community has made it abundantly clear they have no intention of being "friends" with us. There's no honor in this.

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What's this "us" stuff? As far as I know you don't even attend tournaments. All you serve is to misrepresent what we're all about. Myself and other community members such as Lovage & Sheridan are all disagreeing with you on this, you'd be wise to do damage control and stop. If we go through this donation drive and win by losing what makes us so great, we haven't won anything.

Be the better man.
 

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Baloney. That's nothing but a transparent justification of suppressing ideas. You think they have an similar policy against upvoting comments based on ideas, rather than content?
Well yeah. The gist seems to be that downvotes are intended to be reserved for spam and genuinely objectionable material (personally I'd consider this to only include falsehoods), while upvotes are for anything that contributes to the conversation, regardless of where you stand on the issue. Considering up/down voting makes things more/less visible, I'd say voting because you agree/disagree with the ideas is the true act of suppression.

But the main point is that reddiquette is SUCH a stupid word why is it official I hate it.
 

El Duderino

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I haven't really seen a lot of trash talk on their end aside from that ridiculous tweet
I wouldn't exactly say that. Fanatiq's stream had plenty of trash talk going on, it just wasn't particularly malicious. Trihex, on the other hand, kept it almost entirely on point about promoting Smash.

I get it though. Part of their donations come from "anything but Melee" members of the FGC, so they throw them a bone every once in a while.
 

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I wouldn't exactly say that. Fanatiq's stream had plenty of trash talk going on, it just wasn't particularly malicious. Trihex, on the other hand, kept it almost entirely on point about promoting Smash.

I get it though. Part of their donations come from "anything but Melee" members of the FGC, so they throw them a bone every once in a while.
Yeah, I'm not 100% what to think of Fanatiq's role in this (mainly because there are some accusations floating around that he's not doing it for anybody except to make himself look better, but I'm not going to bother thinking about this rumor more than I already have), but I do remember him mentioning some typical FGC talking points of why melee can't be considered a competitive game. I definitely do remember seeing lots of "I agree" and stuff like that in the feed chat, but I'll let it slide since as you said, none of it seemed malicious- it looked like it was more to boost hype the same way we boosted hype when they made that rogue tweet.

Aside from FGC in general, I think their voice actresses and fans of Mike Z (who's also a pro FGCer) have gotten their fans to put a metric ****ton of money in. $50.00 for your favorite voice actor or actress to send you a personalized message? I'm sure an enormous chunk of those $50.00 donations weren't even skullgirls fans but fans of the voice actresses in general. Since they have that extra star power, they've been reaching out their contacts.

I have to admit, that 4k donation felt like an absolute lifesaver... I'm sure it's not going to, but at the moment it definitely feels like it makes up for the fact that they have constant starpower helping with their run.

Still, we have sheer numbers. We got this.
 

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Where does the SG community keep getting this money.

For every $1 someone in the Melee community donates the SG community needs like $50 per person. I understand other FG communities are helping too but for srs.

We just need like a $10000 spirit bomb and get this damned thing over with already. They're bound to run out of money eventually.
 

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What the hell? FGC is donating not cuz they want SGs but cuz they want "anything but Melee"?

What a joke. Smash community should play as dirty as possible becasue of this cuz they sure as heck aren't playing fair with misleading Reddit posts and what not. If you still care about "honor" don't cry when you lose to their underhanded tactics and their shots at Smash (Official twiiter post said it's not a real fighting game).

All this pretense of sportmanship is going to evaporate anyway mark my words. At the end of this there will be MAD salt on the losing side.I wouldn't mind SG winning if people actually played the game but the community doesn't even exist. 2 man tournies? REALLY? Yeah let's shoehorn a game no one plays into Evo and people only care about because of sex appeal. While where at it let's replace Tekken for Dead or Alive. I mean come on.

That's just the straight up truth. I don't sugar coat cuz fools can't handle the truth.
 

El Duderino

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Yeah, I'm not 100% what to think of Fanatiq's role in this
The guy clearly has an ego and I'm sure this is bolstering that, but it is for a good cause so I'm not going to insinuate anything from it.

That said after listening to his remarks while picking up Skull Girls, he certainly seems more motivated by the fundraiser aspect of this drive. I am certainly not convinced Fanatiq is wholeheartedly into the game, but at least he is driven by the bigger picture, fighting breast cancer.
 

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What the hell? FGC is donating not cuz they want SGs but cuz they want "anything but Melee"?

What a joke. Smash community should play as dirty as possible becasue of this cuz they sure as heck aren't playing fair with misleading Reddit posts and what not. If you still care about "honor" don't cry when you lose to their underhanded tactics and their shots at Smash (Official twiiter post said it's not a real fighting game).

All this pretense of sportmanship is going to evaporate anyway mark my words. At the end of this there will be MAD salt on the losing side.I wouldn't mind SG winning if people actually played the game but the community doesn't even exist. 2 man tournies? REALLY? Yeah let's shoehorn a game no one plays into Evo and people only care about because of sex appeal. While where at it let's replace Tekken for Dead or Alive. I mean come on.

That's just the straight up truth. I don't sugar coat cuz fools can't handle the truth.
These are theories... We have no idea how much money is coming from any particular faction. In fact, most of us don't really care.

However, I have been having thoughts about what the end of this is going to be like once the dust has settled. You say there's going to be MAD salt on the losing side? I don't think there will be too much salt from the Skullgirls community if they lose. They feel that they are the underdogs, and they'll probably be alright with the fact that they did so well. What WILL be salty are the trolls of the FGC that hate us. I'm looking forward to it. On the flipside, if we lose, I don't think we'll get any taunting from the Skullgirls. Naturally, the FGC trolls will be all over us. The battle for donations is between us and Skullgirls. The battle for salt will be between us and FGC trolls.

I look forward to shaking the Skullgirls hands at the end of this. Win or lose. If we lose, I'm only shaking Number 13's hand once before I punch him in the face though.
 

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"The FGC" is not a monolithic entity. "The FGC" is not doing anything. Some number of individuals (which I doubt is very large) that identify with the FGC are donating for that reason. Most of the FGC vets have shown nothing but respect for our community, and if you're going to judge a community based on the actions/words of a few individuals, it should be them.

If playing dirty is what it takes to win, I don't want to win. Please do not give into groupthink and tribalism, thanks.
 

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Just to note, I disprove of FreedomFighter's conclusions based on a misinterpretation of what I said.
 

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That's what you all say now. Too bad SGs "fans" don't think like you. They are doing whatever it takes.

I would not even mind SGs winning if people actually played the game and it had a scene but it doesn't. It's a bad flawed game with a lot of brokenness, relying on sex appeal to sell (most of the cast is one fetish or another)and missing content. It's been dead on release and still is dead.

The most recent SGs GFs I could find of a tourny with entrants (which is a miracle in itself) LITERALLY NO ONE WAS WATCHING. Commentators were all "oh yeah Marvel ended and everyone went home, no one cares about this".

Hell if certain FGC members or anyone else wanted to screw over Smash at least pick a decent game to support.
 

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so now we're copying the tea party huh
"screw winning, we'll never compromise"
that being said, we shouldn't need to if we play our cards right

pissy republicans coming in 3..2..1..
 

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On the flip side of the coin, I bet they hardly find it fair an 11 year old game can deny their admission to a tournament typically reserved for more traditional fighters.

No reason to attack Skull Girls for EVO's decisions.
 

FreedomFighter

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An 11 year old game that people actually play and want to see.

Which is more than can be said about SGs.
 

El Duderino

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An 11 year old game that people actually play and want to see.

Which is more than can be said about SGs.
Smash wasn't always established either. What we have is an anomaly to the typical fighting game scene that relies heavily on EVO. If a game doesn't make the tournament bill, there's a good chance people will move onto something that did. Given Skull Girl's uncertainty of making EVO, I don't find their smaller pool of dedicated players all that surprising.
 

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An 11 year old game that people actually play and want to see.

Which is more than can be said about SGs.
Okay, I'm sorry dude but...shut the hell up please. PLEASE. I'm seriously getting sick and tired of this damn insulting trash talk you are saying about our community when in the end we have been doing our best to stay nice to you guys in the process. Everything you are spewing out of your mouth is total garbage and I advise that you stop, as it seems that most people on your forum aren't agreeing with your ludicrous statements as well.

Bad flawed game with brokeness? Your joking right? The things that Mike Z and his team have implemented have made the game personally one of the most balanced fighters out there. Yes it has things that make it seem broken, but really it all comes down to skill. Even if the game was broken as hell, that wouldn't make a difference. Marvel 3 is the definition of broken and people love that (Not just because of the most familiar characters).

The Sex appeal isn't intentional as this game mostly parodies that in all aspects, the game isn't fully serious with itself (Look at Peacock, she is a gold mine of references and 4th wall breaking). Yes the game is heavy on sexual content, but it's those kind of things you have to look past to understand something in a deeper meaning.

The missing content was mostly out of Lab Zero's control mostly due to the fact that the people they were working with had fired them and M$ is taking too damn long to let them release the xbox360 patch (Due to their stupid file size uploading limit). They literally went through hell and back to get this game released, putting their damn heart and soul into it. They still can't do much do to the recent lawsuit that Konami and Autumn Games are in, but they are still pulling through to make sure the game will eventually get more content to make it more unique.

Finally, no scene? Yes the game doesn't have a huge scene, but that's what we are working towards. Saying that there is no scene is absolutely false though and maybe we don't get as many viewers as maybe Street Fighter or Marvel, but we still get them and that's great. As far as I know, you guys started small and look at you now, you guys have been around for 12 years and still going strong. That's what SG's is trying to accomplish, we are trying to expand our scene just like you guys did. If you don't comprehend that, then I feel extremely sorry for you. Believe it or not, I've been working my damn *** off to get a scene developed here in Vegas, and I'm sure as hell not going to stop anytime soon.

Maybe if you actually took the time to play it fully and realize the game through the inside out, maybe you would stop being so ignorant and stupid.

Also about playing dirty, what a beautiful idea, that's what I call good sportsmanship. I thought you were trying to make your community look good, this is just a way to get everyone even more against you then they were already. Show some god damn respect man and just stop speaking out of your ***.

Phew, needed to get that out of my system. Please, have more respect for your community. PLEASE.
 

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Okay, I'm sorry dude but...shut the hell up please. PLEASE. I'm seriously getting sick and tired of this damn insulting trash talk you are saying about our community when in the end we have been doing our best to stay nice to you guys in the process. Everything you are spewing out of your mouth is total garbage and I advise that you stop, as it seems that most people on your forum aren't agreeing with your ludicrous statements as well.

Bad flawed game with brokeness? Your joking right? The things that Mike Z and his team have implemented have made the game personally one of the most balanced fighters out there. Yes it has things that make it seem broken, but really it all comes down to skill. Even if the game was broken as hell, that wouldn't make a difference. Marvel 3 is the definition of broken and people love that (Not just because of the most familiar characters).

The Sex appeal isn't intentional as this game mostly parodies that in all aspects, the game isn't fully serious with itself (Look at Peacock, she is a gold mine of references and 4th wall breaking). Yes the game is heavy on sexual content, but it's those kind of things you have to look past to understand something in a deeper meaning.

The missing content was mostly out of Lab Zero's control mostly due to the fact that the people they were working with had fired them and M$ is taking too damn long to let them release the xbox360 patch (Due to their stupid file size uploading limit). They literally went through hell and back to get this game released, putting their damn heart and soul into it. They still can't do much do to the recent lawsuit that Konami and Autumn Games are in, but they are still pulling through to make sure the game will eventually get more content to make it more unique.

Finally, no scene? Yes the game doesn't have a huge scene, but that's what we are working towards. Saying that there is no scene is absolutely false though and maybe we don't get as many viewers as maybe Street Fighter or Marvel, but we still get them and that's great. As far as I know, you guys started small and look at you now, you guys have been around for 12 years and still going strong. That's what SG's is trying to accomplish, we are trying to expand our scene just like you guys did. If you don't comprehend that, then I feel extremely sorry for you. Believe it or not, I've been working my damn *** off to get a scene developed here in Vegas, and I'm sure as hell not going to stop anytime soon.

Maybe if you actually took the time to play it fully and realize the game through the inside out, maybe you would stop being so ignorant and stupid.

Also about playing dirty, what a beautiful idea, that's what I call good sportsmanship. I thought you were trying to make your community look good, this is just a way to get everyone even more against you then they were already. Show some god damn respect man and just stop speaking out of your ***.

Phew, needed to get that out of my system. Please, have more respect for your community. PLEASE.
Dude no need to explode most of us here don't even agree with him
 

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You're right. I apologize, I am just tired of this whole malicious intent that keeps spawning from idiots such as himself.

I know I should ignore him, but I can't just stand by and watch someone talk **** something I care for. It's just not my nature.

It's ignorant people like him that pushes my buttons.
 

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Lol Good **** BrandX. Were you in the TriHard chat when I was spamming BrandX where you at?
 

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Lol Good **** BrandX. Were you in the TriHard chat when I was spamming BrandX where you at?
No I was not. I'm surprised you guys brought me up lol. I was in the Fanatiq stream, people name dropped me there.

I feel loved lol

Preaching to the choir here. You just haven't had 11 years to grow a thick skin.
I agree, maybe I should of taken it with tough skin. Personally though, this guy does not seem to be trolling, I know exactly that he is being serious. That's why I got up in his case. It could be trolling or it could be not, either way, I couldn't resist. I think I'm done responding to trolls though, it's all fun and games till it gets boring.
 

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I must say, that was actually a really good, thorough, thought-out response, and you even managed to keep cool enough to almost completely avoid any ad hominem or sarcasm. I commend you, as that's one of the most reasonable internet-arguments I've ever seen. Though I fear all that effort's just gonna make it sting more when he doesn't read it. But it's still good to have gotten it off your chest, and we should all probably just add him to "Ignore," now.
 

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I must say, that was actually a really good, thorough, thought-out response, and you even managed to keep cool enough to almost completely avoid any ad hominem or sarcasm. I commend you, as that's one of the most reasonable internet-arguments I've ever seen. Though I fear all that effort's just gonna make it sting more when he doesn't read it. But it's still good to have gotten it off your chest, and we should all probably just add him to "Ignore," now.
Thank you. I didn't want to have the melodramatic episode or rage filled ones that I became famous for lol. If I'm going to respond to someone, it's in a civilized way.

Whether he reads it or not, I don't care.
 

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HAHAHAHA man those were some good times
Yup, good times indeed, but all good times must unfortunately come to an end. Then again, if it weren't for those episodes, I wouldn't have met most of you (Prog, GHNeko, etc) and probably wouldn't have picked up smash.

It's like if destiny told me to grow up and have fun. Thank god I listened.
 

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It seems like the Skullgirls community is split into 2. One side is the actual community who is trying to play fair and raise money for their game, where the other side is the VA side of the skullgirls community who are trying to weasel people who are unrelated to the donation drive into donating. I don't mind losing to SG themselves, but to lose to people who don't play the game, have never played the game, and aren't going to even watch EVO, because they threw 20$ to hear some VA talk in Ezreal's voice seems a bit absurd.
 

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It seems like the Skullgirls community is split into 2. One side is the actual community who is trying to play fair and raise money for their game, where the other side is the VA side of the skullgirls community who are trying to weasel people who are unrelated to the donation drive into donating. I don't mind losing to SG themselves, but to lose to people who don't play the game, have never played the game, and aren't going to even watch EVO, because they threw 20$ to hear some VA talk in Ezreal's voice seems a bit absurd.
I'm willing to bet $20 that plenty of people that no longer play smash or have hardly played it definitely donated as well just out of being nintendo fans.

The voice actors for skullgirls are actually passionate about the game. They were willing to spend over 12 hours of their free time talking on the stream for no benefit to themselves whatsoever.
 

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I'm willing to bet $20 that plenty of people that no longer play smash or have hardly played it definitely donated as well just out of being nintendo fans.

The voice actors for skullgirls are actually passionate about the game. They were willing to spend over 12 hours of their free time talking on the stream for no benefit to themselves whatsoever.
Exactly, people seem to be missing this point :/
 

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The VAs were only there to raise money for BCR they couldn't care less about the game. If you want proof just listen to their commentary or watch the parts when they played. They know absolutely nothing about the game. People were actually saying on the stream chat that they shouldn't commentate at Evo because they know nothing about the game.

You know a game is bad when even the VAs don't care about it.
 

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oh hey, what's with the "skullgirls not being at evo would be a mistake" talk now?
what happened to not complaining
 

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I'm willing to bet $20 that plenty of people that no longer play smash or have hardly played it definitely donated as well just out of being nintendo fans.

The voice actors for skullgirls are actually passionate about the game. They were willing to spend over 12 hours of their free time talking on the stream for no benefit to themselves whatsoever.
OVER 12 HOURS OMG REALLY?
That's not that big of a deal once you realize how much effort and passion actual members of the community put in. When I see one of these VAs travel across the state or country to compete in a tournament on their own time and money then I would give a better opinion. Furthermore they are hiding behind breast cancer research instead of addressing the actual issue of getting into EVO. If they actually cared about Breast Cancer Research, they would advertise the donation drive and the competition fully and how it is important to donate for the game each individual wants to see at EVO. They would get more donations that way, and it would be honest to the drive and its intentions.

The VA side of the community is prompting random 3rd party people to donate or spread the word for only the skullgirls drive. It's a bit ridiculous to see a game go to EVO when the people supporting are doing so because they want to see Ezreal talk to Graves. =|

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""The VAs were only there to raise money for BCR they couldn't care less about the game. If you want proof just listen to their commentary or watch the parts when they played. They know absolutely nothing about the game. People were actually saying on the stream chat that they shouldn't commentate at Evo because they know nothing about the game.

You know a game is bad when even the VAs don't care about it. ""
this guy kinda drives another point.
 
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