SkillKeeper - TrueSkill™ Rankings Bookkeeper

[Zankoku]

I don't currently think there's a solution to expanding BCN files, unfortunately. It mostly has to do with the fact that the files only contain player profiles and match history, and then scores are calculated from there by running through the entire timeline.

And yes, it's important to have the final bracket matches all take place after the pool matches.

 

[OninO]

You can make the bracket take place after pool by setting the date one day later, it shouldn't throw anything else off.

 

[MattCBR]

You still need an API key, but it doesn't require you to be an owner of the bracket.

I'm still a bit confused on this, so I put my challonge API then put the link to the bracket in the tournament box? Or how would I pull from a bracket that isn't mine?

edit: nevermind found it!!

 

[TTO Crim]

Is there any particular reason that pools are disregarded when importing a challonge bracket?

also, is there any chance we could have a way to import more than one bracket at a time?

 

[Son1x-]

Is there any way to make the challonge import function import game wins rather than the set wins?

 

[CraigUK37]

Is there any way to make the challonge import function import game wins rather than the set wins?

If you change how you do things in challonge you can, don't think you can do it through Skill Keeper, just report matches as 1 - 0 sets, should work?

 

[RedSunEternal]

Zankoku Hey, just wanted to say I love the program and have started using it to help out our PR board for the Georgia Smash 4 group, it's awesome! However, I've run into a little bug a few times and I wanted to bring it to your attention.

Sometimes when I go to save the world, it glitches and overwrites the file as a 1 KB file with no players or results. I believe it may occur when pulling results from a bracket that had group stages, though as there's no error being reported I'm not sure, that just seems to be what causes the bug from when I import brackets.

 

[TTO Crim]

^That actually happened to me as well

 

[Son1x-]

If you change how you do things in challonge you can, don't think you can do it through Skill Keeper, just report matches as 1 - 0 sets, should work?

Didn't know you could that, so I tested it out. Unfortunately it still ends up being a 1-0 win.

 

[CraigUK37]

Didn't know you could that, so I tested it out. Unfortunately it still ends up being a 1-0 win.

Of course, sorry. Not sure if there is a work around outside of inputting results manually.

 

[Yikarur]

Is it possible to manually add round robin pools so that the calculation is done at the end of the round robin (so every game is treated simultanously) einstead of after each set?

How does SkillKeeper calculate Round Robin Pools from a TIO file?

E: did some tests, apparently it calculates from top left to the top right chronologically.
This should NOT work like this. Every match should be calculated under the value the players had when the pool started and after the pool finished, the appropriate points should be added/substracted.

So this programm needs something like a "pool mode" if you want to consider round robin pools.

Or does anyone else have a better solution?

 

[TTO Crim]

Is it possible to manually add round robin pools so that the calculation is done at the end of the round robin (so every game is treated simultanously) einstead of after each set?

How does SkillKeeper calculate Round Robin Pools from a TIO file?

E: did some tests, apparently it calculates from top left to the top right chronologically.
This should NOT work like this. Every match should be calculated under the value the players had when the pool started and after the pool finished, the appropriate points should be added/substracted.

So this programm needs something like a "pool mode" if you want to consider round robin pools.

Or does anyone else have a better solution?

I think it should just take into account the order the matches are put in. if it can't do that, it should just go in order of when the matches were supposed to happen by rounds.

 

[Yikarur]

but all sets in a Round Robin Pool are considered to be simultanous.

 

[Wassabi1320]

Hey guys do you know if this program runs on Macs?

 

[Wassabi1320]

I downloaded it and am using winebottler to open the program. Whenever I try to submit a challonge bracket it just crash

 

[Yikarur]

I downloaded it and am using winebottler to open the program. Whenever I try to submit a challonge bracket it just crash

Same for me on Windows 10.

 

[Missile]

I can't find if it's been asked before, but does the program have some kind of hard-code built in that deducts points from a single tournament absence automatically, and then doesn't deduct any more points to consecutive absences?

For example in my PR, using this program, I have players whose scores have gone like this:

5000 (first tournament they go to)->4800(absence 1)->4800(absence 2)

The deduction occured just from being absent to a tournament, but there was no deduction for being absent to a second tournament in a row.

Did I miss a feature where this is adjustable or is it hard-coded this way?
If it's not a feature, it'd be nice to have a feature where you could penalize players for missing more than 1 tournament consecutively.

 

[OninO]

I can't find if it's been asked before, but does the program have some kind of hard-code built in that deducts points from a single tournament absence automatically, and then doesn't deduct any more points to consecutive absences?

For example in my PR, using this program, I have players whose scores have gone like this:

5000 (first tournament they go to)->4800(absence 1)->4800(absence 2)

The deduction occured just from being absent to a tournament, but there was no deduction for being absent to a second tournament in a row.

Did I miss a feature where this is adjustable or is it hard-coded this way?
If it's not a feature, it'd be nice to have a feature where you could penalize players for missing more than 1 tournament consecutively.

That sounds more like the decay interval procced after the second tournament (the first step down from 5k to 4800) and then hasn't procced again. You could set your decay interval to really short if you wanted to penalise players for missing tourns.

 

[Missile]

That sounds more like the decay interval procced after the second tournament (the first step down from 5k to 4800) and then hasn't procced again. You could set your decay interval to really short if you wanted to penalise players for missing tourns.

The new power ranking began in January 1st. The third tournament was in Jan. 23rd, decay is at 6 months regardless, lowered to 3 as of last week.

The point deduction happened before the 23rd. It seems to happen every first tournament the player is absent to (whether there are consecutive absences or not, an X amount of points with seemingly no logic behind it gets deducted)

Last year's power ranking did something similar where points would get deducted from absences after each ranking update. Updates were pretty frequent (almost every other week) and decay was at 6mo.

 

[OninO]

I dunno how you're encoding absenteeism? Do you just enter their name in the tournament and then have them go 0-2?

 

[Yikarur]

how is the decay calculated? How many points are you losing after a decay period?

 

[TallandGangly]

Any reason why I'm getting this error?

See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

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Is it because I did not input a subdomain? If that is the case, it is because I'm not sure what I'm supposed to input there :/

Can anyone give me some help with this?

 

[Kamaran McClanahan]

Is there a way to merge Skillkeeper files?

 

[emb1234]

Any reason why I'm getting this error?



Is it because I did not input a subdomain? If that is the case, it is because I'm not sure what I'm supposed to input there :/

Can anyone give me some help with this?

Can you share the inputs you used to see if we can reproduce?

 

[Mx|Edd]

Is there a way you could add in the next update a Weight Index for the tournaments? Is sad that weeklies have the same weight as monthlies in my PR

 

[Nintenpro]

^

Also, is there a way to count pool matches ? When I enter this http://challonge.com/MARS2016SingleWiiU it only counts bracket matches :v

 

[Piman34]

Zankoku or anyone else I'm having trouble with the Challonge settings (I'm assuming). I have the account login, and the API key, but when I try to import brackets it comes up blank. Here is the Challonge page: http://naussj.challonge.com/ so you can see there are indeed completed tournament brackets on the account.

Here's what I see when I try and import the bracket:

.

I've tried messing around with the Challonge settings but can't figure out why it's doing this. My only idea is that it has to do with the url for Challonge since it's different from the typical challonge.com/user/piman34 setup. Any advice or suggestions would be so great!

 

[emb1234]

Zankoku or anyone else I'm having trouble with the Challonge settings (I'm assuming). I have the account login, and the API key, but when I try to import brackets it comes up blank. Here is the Challonge page: http://naussj.challonge.com/ so you can see there are indeed completed tournament brackets on the account.

It works out for me. What are you inputting in the boxes?

When I open the Challonge import dialog, put my API key in the first box, then just "naussj" in the subdomain (second) box (without the quotes), all the tournaments appear.

 

[Piman34]

It works out for me. What are you inputting in the boxes?

When I open the Challonge import dialog, put my API key in the first box, then just "naussj" in the subdomain (second) box (without the quotes), all the tournaments appear.

Yeah I feel dumb now. Everything earlier said to leave that blank so that's what i was trying to get work. But I entered the subdomain and it worked fine.

Can you tell me when the subdomain is necessary and when it's not? I'm a bit confused. So say I don't have the API key for a Challonge account, can I use my API key for my personal Challonge with the subdomain of that group, like "naussj"?

 

[emb1234]

Yeah I feel dumb now. Everything earlier said to leave that blank so that's what i was trying to get work. But I entered the subdomain and it worked fine.

Can you tell me when the subdomain is necessary and when it's not? I'm a bit confused. So say I don't have the API key for a Challonge account, can I use my API key for my personal Challonge with the subdomain of that group, like "naussj"?

In the newer version of Skillkeeper, you should be able to use your personal api key for an individual tournament or subdomain.

If you want all the tournaments from a url like this:

[subdomain].challonge.com

then you want to use the subdomain.

If you just want a specific tournament, and the url starts off as just 'challonge.com/[name]' then you only need the name part. If it's '[subdomain].challonge.com/[name]' then you still need the subdomain.

At least I think that's how that all works.

 

[TheSlurredNerdJake]

Is there a way to import a Challonge bracket results without being the owner or having the API?

 

[emb1234]

Is there a way to import a Challonge bracket results without being the owner or having the API?

Try using your own API key (every account gets one, you can find it under Settings). If it doesn't work, make sure you've updated SkillKeeper recently.

 

[TheSlurredNerdJake]

Try using your own API key (every account gets one, you can find it under Settings). If it doesn't work, make sure you've updated SkillKeeper recently.

Holy crap, I LOVE you guys!

 

[Stami]

Is there any work around for round robin tournaments?

 

[Toony]

Hey just wanted to say I love your program, use it for local rankings in our Smash Scene. I had a question though, would it be possible to make this into a plugin for wordpress at all? I wanted to display it on our Smash website somehow.

Appreciate the response!

 

[KimiNewt]

You can use http://sandpr.com to display only the leaderboards if you like. Unfortunately I don't have time to work on it anymore (maybe in the summer when I'm done with school) so there aren't going to be any new features.

In the meanwhile I figured I'll share some stuff I had lying around:
https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyskillkeeper/ - A Python package that allows you to read and work with BCN files produced by SkillKeeper. If you don't like it (or me using the name) let me know and I'll change / remove it.
Usage example:

Also, you can access the SandPR database via REST api (in Python as demonstrated or in any other language):

I've used this for integration with our stream overlay (see bottom right):

 

[Toony]

Ah that's sweet! I'm trying to make a new group though and it requires a beta key?

Thanks for your help so far!

 

[Piman34]

Ah that's sweet! I'm trying to make a new group though and it requires a beta key?

Thanks for your help so far!

Follow Kimi and tweet to him in a message and he will give you a key

 

[Unclejdog]

I'm not very tech savvy, so when I try to important a Challonge bracket, what exactly is a subdomain?

 

[Piman34]

I'm not very tech savvy, so when I try to important a Challonge bracket, what exactly is a subdomain?

In the newer version of Skillkeeper, you should be able to use your personal api key for an individual tournament or subdomain.

If you want all the tournaments from a url like this:

[subdomain].challonge.com

then you want to use the subdomain field.

If you just want a specific tournament, and the url starts off as just 'challonge.com/[name]' then you only need the name part at the end of the url. If it's '[subdomain].challonge.com/[name]' then you still need the subdomain, as well as the name.

At least I think that's how that all works.