Skies of Arcadia Mafia - Game Over! Indy (AM) Wins!

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah, MM needs to go. Especially if he is trying to narrow down the recruited person to JTB/Myself. Especially after JTB just did that thing to Rockin, that's hella townie.

This is bull**** on a silver platter.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Who could have been recruited? Your play so far toDay was hesitant and voting Lego out of nowhere was weeeeeeird man and giving like 0-anything on why Lego. Plus your reaction to me calling you town was also something that gave me pause because I don't get why you questioned me on that tbh. Also I do not get why you went out on the Rockin wagon when it was catching steam. Major ??? marks for me.

Whole paragraph of virtually saying nothing. You also voted Lego out of nowhere the previous Days as I can't recall any sort of elaboration from your side but when other players do it it's suddenly 'weeeeeeeeeeird man'?

Yeah!


...

No.

The rest of your points are 100% null and literally give no conclusions on whether MM were recruited or scum from the very beginning. But posts like this go through unnoticed:

****ing disgusting. i ****ing hate swords this game an he needs to bathe in a volcano

fos lego

Seriously? This is literally OMGUS over a point that does have merit. MM and J are the players whose plays have changed the most ever since the recruitment has been confirmed and after reading the last ~4 pages my immediate conclusion was also that either MM or J are the most likely recruitee's given how much they've changed their play and how little reason the had to do so. So far you've called out every player who openly suggested the idea that one of you has been recruited with a fos or a vote. That only serves to confirm that you're playing *nothing* like you did up until this Day.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

For me, it's either Marshy or LAK that could have been recruited and gosh forbid if I try and deal into LAK atm because of certain things at the time being.

[...]

Still fine with Rockin going toDay.

So you think AM, KevinM, Rockin and Gheb are all good plays and also either Marshy or LAK are potential recruitees. That's more than half of the game's roster he accuses of somehow being related to scum. Yeah, that's what we call being 'all over the place'.

What do you think of JTB / Orbo? I have a feeling that you're OK with too many people being gone.

 

[Marshmellowman]

the fact that youre trying ( keyword: trying) to **** on me for a change of play instead of addressing WHY that change of play is wrong is disgusting gheb

i sense an epic battle brewing between us my friend

and yeah im "calling out" people attacking me on ****ty logic yet no one has refuted it. and im not calling them scum for disliking the change of play: im coming around to j as protown and never stated jtb to be scum. if people come at me for ******* reasons then yeah ima hit back

more later

 

[Marshmellowman]

itt people call me scum for not wanting a quicklynch when it only benefits scum considering the alignment changing role. this isnt like most games where we can quicklynch people and i can continue on holding my townreads

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Except, that you've been pretty off this game proven by how you give J too much credit and are likely off about Rockin as well. I'm not trying to **** on you for being potentially recruited but I'd like to take a huge **** on you for calling out the wrong people [Lego, Rockin, myself] when people like J and Orbo are still around.

And don't tell me it's not shady when people accuse each other of being recruited but then sheep your Rockin wagon. That alone should've told you that Rockin may actually be town. But you're not considering options right now I feel so I still think you deserve the **** you're getting.
[and as far as I can see nobody actually called you out on being scummy anyway.]

 

[~ Gheb ~]

itt people call me scum for not wanting a quicklynch when it only benefits scum considering the alignment changing role. this isnt like most games where we can quicklynch people and i can continue on holding my townreads

And this is where you're wrong ... I just can't tell if it's on purpose or not. But it's a bit irritating how you always make it a matter of this. Considering that nobody has openly suspected you what reason do you have to say 'people call me scum?'. And last I checked you not wanting a quicklynch has been dropped maybe once, but no more than that and even if somebody actually made that argument he probably dropped it by now. There are other points you could respond to.

Such as how my call-out on J was so 'disgusting' when I pointed out everything in detail and you didn't even bother to respond to it. I'd also like to know where you stand on Rockin now.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm sorry for thinkin rockin was scum and voting for him?

not my fault we run this town and our wagons get out of hand. did you miss the post where I unvoted and specifically said we shouldn't quicklynch

[...]

So if J's play makes a complete 180° turn and he's shady as **** not and he suspects more than half of the game's roster of being related to scum and talks about LAK / Kevin being recruited for no reason at all that's '********.' And it's also nothing worth mentioning how he let the wagon go out of hand on somebody he's not sure to be even scum?
And when somebody is worried that you or J might've been recruited and posts - although admittedly vague - reasoning to support that claim it's scummy and deserves OMGUS.

Yeah.




































No.

 

[Marshmellowman]

i cannot wait to get to a computer

macman feel free to tackle this if you do first

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Btw, your #975 kinda completely breaks down how J's suspicions are BS made out of thin air. All the accusations he raises against you call out the fact that you've acted exactly the way like I would've expected you as townie. I'm baffled how you don't see it and how long you let it slide but get thrown off so hard by people suspecting you.

Vote J

J / Orb
AM
LAK

Lynchpool in order of preference. I none of those 4 dies toDay I give up on you guys.

 

[JTB]

Briefly skimmed to see people throwing votes on people other than Rockin. We need to consider the intent of the alignment change and the timing as well. If Rockin was town, its an easy as hell Lynch to get off. If he was scum, then the objective of scum most likely is to deflect the push away (which I see happening).

Ill read up once I'm home, but everyone needs to be thinking about this.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

At work, but

@Ryker when you finally get back, what are you thinking of doing going through the end of this Day phase into toMorrow? Don't give me the BS of lets wait for night actions and then see where we are at, WHO DO YOU WANT DEAD BESIDES ROCKIN AND WHY PLEASE SHOW POSTS THAT HELP OUT

Already said at the end of the last day phase, nothing changed aside from the fact that I believe that J was recruited.

Ninety percent sure Orbo is scum on a Gorf scum flip. Rockin was the third member of that scum team with Gheb as my safety net.

Scum list stands. Find the post from yesterday, I'm not elaborating from here.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Will be kinda around all day, but I can't properly go digging.

 

[Marshmellowman]

gheb

why j over orbo? doesnt it make more sense to vote the guy youve had a scumread on for the entirety of the game as opposed to a guess made off a few posts into d3?

and yeah i didnt respond to your earlier post. thats cuz it takes a lot of words to respond which is a pain in the *** only on the phone. ill be able to get to it when this ***ing typhoon warning is over which oughta be by the end of this week. i also think we can agree that neither of us want this to become an obnoxious wall battle

 

[JTB]

Marshman, why did you revote Rockin after Legolas unvoted?

 

[Marshmellowman]

dat hammer. i cant resist

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I've been re-reading Gorf. I was gonna make a big old ISO wall but there's not anything worth ISO'ing, as I go through Gorf's play it's just non-commital to anything and the only telling parts of his play is his talk of Rockin/Orbo, which are two possible plays today. I feel LAK is town based on some things Gorf said early game, and I'll go into it if people want me to. Basically the point I wanted to make is that Gorf suggests Orbo as possible policy but states that he dislikes his first post, without direction or jumping on it. He hard defends rockin on his first post, and hard defenses or what we in the mafia land call 'buddying' is pretty consistent with certain players. AM for one, but in a completely different manner.

I remember someone posting the read list Gorf gave us earlier, and I can tell you based on this it's purely inconsistent and his flop from early defending rockin to having him and orbo as his two scum-picks doesn't make me feel like Rockin/Orbo are his partners unless he decided hardbussing was a good idea. What I wanted to get at with AM is his stance regarding him, he hard buddies AM and has him as likely town, and this doesn't seem to really change at all despite there being no kill the night before. There's a consistency here, and there's also a consistency on another no kill. You know what would be ********? Scum doesn't have a kill at all. That would be ****ing stupid but there's definitely something going on there. Anyways, I know this is a bit unorganized but understand the point i'm driving, Gorf wouldn't hardbus his two partners like that, neither would he fake giving Orbo a potion as a means of distance, and Orbo going through with it. One is possibly scum, but there is no way in hell that both of them are scum, because if you really wanted me to, I could go on about this.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Going to look at what Rockin did yesterday, if anything at all. There's a contradiction in that post but it's not organized and I was just posting what popped into my head based on what I re-read and remembered.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Updated reads:

Town
Marshmellowman
JTB
J
LAK
Orboknown
Legolas

Null
Rockin (null-town)
KevinM

Scum
Aggressive Mediation
Gheb

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Don't care about recruiting bull****

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vote: Aggressive Mediation

Okay townbros time to win the game i've decided

 

[#HBC | J]

I am getting to Gheb when I get to a computer which probably won't be till tomorrow so I'll save my comments on that for later.

@Soup: why not Gheb toDay>AM because he has more votes on him+more support for getting lynched?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

hold your horses there. id probably be down to go am today. curious to see what j has to say about gheb tho

 

[~ Gheb ~]

gheb

why j over orbo? doesnt it make more sense to vote the guy youve had a scumread on for the entirety of the game as opposed to a guess made off a few posts into d3?

I feel J's recent input has been so scummy that he definitely deserves the pressure right now. And I mean actual *pressure*. Not "Let's wagon him to L-2 and see how he reacts" but to go hardbody on him. Actual lynch threat and all included. At the end of the Day I'm still willing to lynch Orb but I don't expect him to come back and do anything so a wagon wouldn't help us much right now.

Anyways, I know this is a bit unorganized but understand the point i'm driving, Gorf wouldn't hardbus his two partners like that, neither would he fake giving Orbo a potion as a means of distance, and Orbo going through with it. One is possibly scum, but there is no way in hell that both of them are scum, because if you really wanted me to, I could go on about this.

Not sure if serious. You think they aren't on the same team because of a Potion? No, just no.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yeah because as last minute Gorf would direct his own protown on his partner saying 'i tried giving orbo a potion that would vig his slot look at me be town'

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Orbo even confirmed to get the potion, and he even flipped some chemist bull****.

You really telling me you don't see this and it doesn't mean anything?

 

[#HBC | J]

Gheb, you do realize that now I know it's pressure you pretty much mollified getting any real "pressure" on me.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah because as last minute Gorf would direct his own protown on his partner saying 'i tried giving orbo a potion that would vig his slot look at me be town'

Why not? In fact, that's exactly the kind of way I'd expect a scumbag to handle the whole potion thing considering he can legit claim Vig upon Orb scumflip.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Orbo even confirmed to get the potion, and he even flipped some chemist bull****.

You really telling me you don't see this and it doesn't mean anything?

It doesn't mean ****.

Gheb, you do realize that now I know it's pressure you pretty much mollified getting any real "pressure" on me.

Not when you're about to actually get lynched. Just because you're being pressured doesn't mean you're not lynched.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

And you see Orbo as Gorf's scum partner still despite everything else? I see what you're coming from, but it just doesn't seem likely anymore.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Orb as Gorf's scumbuddy would make sense, 100%. And it's not like Orb hasn't been scummy enough to deserve a lynch...

 

[#HBC | J]

He really hasn't though. The most he has done is bandwagon and be V/LA-non-existant.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Orbo even confirmed to get the potion, and he even flipped some chemist bull****.

You really telling me you don't see this and it doesn't mean anything?

Haven't read from somewhere I quoted KevMo until the current page, but this is wrong.

Soup, what does Orbo-Gorf scum team lose by claiming to have accepted this potion? What's to say that Orbo isn't scum when Gorf targeted him with a potion. If he has, for example, a doc potion or even a target that changes investigation results. Where's the conclusion that it's pro-town? The reason I'm so confident on an Orbo scum read is BECAUSE he was almost certainly targeted by scumGorf. Given the controversy surrounding Orbo and the possible roles that scum can draw to target him with, it makes more sense for Orbo to be scum. What was Gorf trying to do to a slot like Orbo if Orbo is town?


Sorry if this is rambling, it was done over the course of registering about seven car titles with the state of Alabama.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

He really hasn't though. The most he has done is bandwagon and be V/LA-non-existant.

Can you please cite where you've taken Orbo's side prior to this day phase? I'm not saying you haven't, but I certainly don't remember it.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I feel J's recent input has been so scummy that he definitely deserves the pressure right now. And I mean actual *pressure*. Not "Let's wagon him to L-2 and see how he reacts" but to go hardbody on him. Actual lynch threat and all included. At the end of the Day I'm still willing to lynch Orb but I don't expect him to come back and do anything so a wagon wouldn't help us much right now.

Gheb, you do realize that now I know it's pressure you pretty much mollified getting any real "pressure" on me.

I'm fairly sure he JUST said that he's not talking about pressure, but instead pushing for your lynch. I agree with him about offing you. However, I think Rockin needs to go first if Alex informed me correctly about him contradicting himself and scrumbling all last night.

I only saw the lack of a claim when he thought he was lynched, which is absolutely disgusting.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I am getting to Gheb when I get to a computer which probably won't be till tomorrow so I'll save my comments on that for later.

@Soup: why not Gheb toDay>AM because he has more votes on him+more support for getting lynched?

You're the one I'm interested in. Why don't you explain in detail why you want to go AM toMorrow as opposed to Rockin, Orbo, or KevMo. Please, enlighten me.















I've liked Gheb a lot more in this phase. For now KevMo can take his place as my safety net. The reason I had KevMo as town was carried over from Day 1 and has eroded since. Don't get confused on my lynchpool though.

Now then, for people like KevMo who seemed unable to get that I've HAD updated stances since yesterDay.

Readlist in order from scum to town:

Orbo - The Gorf connection is strong. His play is, admittedly characteristically, weak. I pointed out where my read shifted from null to scum based on Day 2 and a Gorf flip seals it. If I had a gun, this is where I would point it and I wouldn't waste much time in doing so.

J - J's my second biggest pick. I hate his play today and I will dig into it when I'm not at work with the threat of having to close out of a post hanging over my thread the entire time. J, however, doesn't need to go today when there's DEFINITELY enough support for a Rockin lynch and probably enough for an Orbo lynch. Especially with the possibility of mafia mentor (which would explain the no kills) or some bull****. J is the recruited scum, not scum from throughout the game (except if indy maybe????).

Rockin - Rockin was on my scum list before for generic scum tells. He's been on every bandwagon this game and I've shown where he's doubled back before. He's contradicted himself backward and forward. His play toDay has been ****. I hate where he doesn't want to claim despite being VERY obviously on the chopping block. Needs to go. Needs to go fast.

KevMo - I hate KevMo. I just hate others more. I'm not going to pretend this read is more solid than it is. I need to go in and read him more closely because I've had him pretty much written off on my list since Day 1.

LAK - Null. Don't remember anything. I'd have to go looking.

Gheb - I like him more of late, but he ends the group of three reads I'm not confident on. I could just like him because he's agreeing with what I'm saying and I know the logic is sound. I need to analyze what potential scum gain Gheb has to see the read pan out, but I honestly don't think he's gonna turn scum without me being completely offbase on multiple reads given how much else I have that takes priority. That won't happen.

Legolas - Same reasons as yesterday with the disclaimer that he could possibly be recruited if I'm wrong about J. I don't think I'm wrong about J. As it stands, I haven't seen enough from him this phase to say with certainty that he isn't scum, but I don't find it likely.

Soup - Town. Wrong, but town. Read carries over from yesterday. Similar disclaimer as Lego's.

JTB - Obv town. Even today I like JTB as town. I cannot fathom how he has J as town, but that's my only major issue with him.

MarshMellowMan - Town. Not recruited. I've liked him this day phase more than anyone else on the cast during this phase. I REALLY liked where he snapped at Kevin. Made me feel good.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Except, that you've been pretty off this game proven by how you give J too much credit and are likely off about Rockin as well. I'm not trying to **** on you for being potentially recruited but I'd like to take a huge **** on you for calling out the wrong people [Lego, Rockin, myself] when people like J and Orbo are still around.

And don't tell me it's not shady when people accuse each other of being recruited but then sheep your Rockin wagon. That alone should've told you that Rockin may actually be town. But you're not considering options right now I feel so I still think you deserve the **** you're getting.
[and as far as I can see nobody actually called you out on being scummy anyway.]

And this is where you're wrong ... I just can't tell if it's on purpose or not. But it's a bit irritating how you always make it a matter of this. Considering that nobody has openly suspected you what reason do you have to say 'people call me scum?'. And last I checked you not wanting a quicklynch has been dropped maybe once, but no more than that and even if somebody actually made that argument he probably dropped it by now. There are other points you could respond to.

Such as how my call-out on J was so 'disgusting' when I pointed out everything in detail and you didn't even bother to respond to it. I'd also like to know where you stand on Rockin now.

So if J's play makes a complete 180° turn and he's shady as **** not and he suspects more than half of the game's roster of being related to scum and talks about LAK / Kevin being recruited for no reason at all that's '********.' And it's also nothing worth mentioning how he let the wagon go out of hand on somebody he's not sure to be even scum?
And when somebody is worried that you or J might've been recruited and posts - although admittedly vague - reasoning to support that claim it's scummy and deserves OMGUS.

Yeah.

[...]

No.

I like you and I hate you, but then I realize why and I like you again.

I agree with J scum as I've already posted, but I don't like the way you're handling Marshy, but the reason I don't like the way you're handling Marshy is because you weren't in Gorf's Mario Party 2 mafia where townMarshy held scumJ's **** all game because he went around buddying him. That's what J's done in this game, but not why I suspect him. J's play had a legitimate thought process to it from what I've seen/remember from Days 1 & 2. He makes a complete u-turn and looks ugly as sin on Day 3. I think he's holding onto his Day 1/2 read for no goddamn reason, but the rest of his play this phase has actually been solid.

I don't like Marshy holding onto that read. It's disgusting, but the way you approach it that makes me wary is the way you frame it in such an accusatory manner that you're trying to imply that he's a candidate to have been recruited. The reason I'm not recanting your move up my townlist that I JUST stated is that you're still pushing J who I agree with you on and will likely flip scum, which deals with the entire ****ing issue.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

im coming around to j as protown

Sweet Jesus, BUT WHY!?!?!?!?

If you're "coming around" you're implying that you're not talking about it because of previous play. This is my issue. You remember MP2 where you called me out for a baseless KevMo town read? You were right. My turn, why the **** do you have J as town after toDay?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

same

hm. we may be becoming friends again

So that's Gheb, J, and Marshy that don't want to lynch Rockin.

J, why's that and why were you voting him earlier?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Vote Orbo .