Lego said:
The reason I don't like you J is because of your pushes. Pushing us? Eh, you really need to define that case better but okay. Pushing Gorf and Soup though, what? Both of those people are reading town (or townish in Soup's case) to me and I can't see why you have a different conclusion than me.
This is the thing that gets me back into this game.
My pushes are bad? What are you talking about? It's completely hypocritical to say that my pushes are bad on Soup of all people when your slot actually wagon hopped onto them and you even said that half the hydra that you co-exist with has Soup as a scum-read so you may have a "townish" read but the fact is you are trying to use that I pushed Soup as a reason to call me scum which is completely terrible. Especially when I am not the main pusher of the Soup wagon, you don't call out anyone else who has ever pushed Soup and decide to try and paint the blame on me. You say you "can't see why my conclusion is different than you" yet you apparantly can see the conclusion of other players like AM? I find that hard to believe. I do not get why you are trying to say that I have to have similar reads to you to be town in your eyes which does not make sense at all.
This also becomes more of a "......." when the fact is your slot bandwagon'd the Soup wagon. I also feel you are only beginning to hand out your town reads to whomever calls you town as well since Gorf/Soup are the only ones to truly do as such in a blatant manner. The only other person I recall calling you towny was AM sooooo yeah. However, you have yet to explain your Gorf/Soup town reads but are trying to condemn me for having a scum-read on both the slots?
I'm actually going to bring up our Soup reads, and I'm gonna show you something really carefully:
Lego said:
Soup, the reasoning that Xonar has you as scum, and that I'm reluctant to have you as town now (I gave Xonar the go ahead for pressure on you) is because of how you're holding onto this Orboknown read. Like, the thing is is that our reads usually actually line up, and the fact that you're seriously having a hard time grasping the concept that Orboknown can be newbie town bothers me. Trust me, I've seen Orbknown play before and I've thought he was scum for the EXACT same reasons you did (FFT mafia). However, he ended up just being a really bad townie who didn't really know where to look.
J said:
@Marshmellow: He isn't looking like he is scum-hunting more like he is trying to scum-hunt on Orbo and make his case seem bigger than it actually is w.r.t. him. It also feels like he is just clinging to it, just to cling to it. Reaction to Ryker's case also came off as if he was trying to put on a front as to try and dissuade the pressure by just seeming a bit too "confident". It's weird to explain and I can try and explain it better if you don't get me.
Our reasoning for disliking Soup is pretty much the same as well besides the +1 to my side of the explanation for me not liking his reaction to Ryker's push on him. So Swords, how can you not understand where my PoV is, especially considering, that we are thinking exactly the same thing w.r.t. Soup and why I have a scum-read on him. Also, I would like to ask, how can you not see a scum-read on a slot, when half of you also has that similar scum-read?
I mean you aren't even looking at things through another perspective.
Gorf and Soup have completely gone off the radar as soon as the wagons on them have dissapated and they do not sseem to care who gets lynched toDay as long as it is not them. Soup's vote on me is just opportunisitic to the dislike that is arising from your slot and KevinM who hasn't pointed out anything scummy with my slot but a bunch of nulls as he says himself.
Gorf is someone I am going to explain here much moreso, Gorf has done absolutely 0 scum-hunting this game and is just content to float on his reads. He is not making a single push by himself and is 100% okay with being a crowd-surfer. His explanations for his reads are incredibly lacking and does not make sense at all. Why does he have certain reads as town and why does he have certain things as scummy. He makes general blanket statements to back up his reads, like a good example would be his read on you where he says "How can this possibly be scumLego?" instead of actually explaining what about your slot is towny. He has just hopped on the other bandwagons and "been there in spirit" but continues to not do anything whatsoever. Gorf has not done anything this game unless it is in response to someone else and hasn't decided to do anything on his own. He is just content to ride on the coattails of others in this game and it's scummy as all get out. So explain to me Lego, how is Gorf=Town in your eyes? You have yet to explain how nor have you done anything but say a lot of things.
That's a thing about you this game, you say a lot of words, but you don't have anything really to back it up that isn't hypocritical or a bunch of air. Your "suspicion" on me is weak and you are trying to push it just to push it on the basis that our reads do not co-incide. Then let me ask you, Lego, what makes you of all the other people who have different reads then you or view other slots as scummy that you view as town? You haven't called out Marshmellow, Gheb, KevinM, LAK, AM, or anyone else. So am I safe to assume that these are all scum-reads of yours? Especially double for those who have pushed Gorf/Soup as well.
In fact, you haven't even explained fully why you have me as scum, you back out of giving a real reason or backing up exactly what you mean to say by having me as scum by saying this tiny little line:
Lego said:
Also I'm currently am looking at J, and realizing that there's nothing from him that I really care for that much.
Which is just hollow as all get-out. You don't really care for anything I have posted so far?This is just a generalization of what I have actually done in order to cover your *** if called out on it where you can take anything you want of my posts and try and construe it as scummy. yet you don't even try and back up anything what you are saying w.r.t. your read on me and I find it as complete bull.
Then in a question to AM you say this:
Lego said:
@AM: Why do you like J? Looking at him toDay, I can't really tell what there is for you to like about him besides form the Soup read. Initial jump on me and Gorf was bad, and in general his reads are very "meh." Soup could just be backed into a corner with a bad read, so go with me on this? Reconsider J toDay?
You just go back to saying that my initial jump on you+Gorf was bad, when the fact is AM agreed to what I was saying at Gorf because Gorf has been scummy this game but you are deciding to turn a blind eye just to that fact for an undetermined reason.
*Side-note*
You have called the Gorf push bad and have left it at that. Nowhere, do you fully explain why the Gorf push is bad when people have explained why he is scummy. If you disagree with that wagon, then why is he so obv-town that we should not push that slot? You haven't pointed this out at all, Swords. What makes me believe that you guys have him as town is purely based on the fact that he has a town-read on your slot and that is giving you the reason to like him.
/side-note
In the question towards AM, you are just trying to appeal to him by asking him the same question twice as to asking him to go with you on me which is grimy, especially when you don't back up your said reasoning and the thing is, AM agreed with me on the Gorf push so by calling it a bad push/not liking it, you are essentially calling AM's push/dislike of Gorf bad/scummy. I mean look at this:
AM said:
Also your beauty certainly is not lacking! You've done your work on your Gorf proof. The steps check out and we agree with your points. His blatant attempts at submitting homework without showing any of his work does strike me as a shade scummy.
So Lego, what do you make of this then?
Actually, let's talk about AM some more here. You say you dislike the Soup push, why have you not done anything about his push on Soup if you feel that strongly about it and especially if you feel that strongly enough to push a scum-read on me for having a similar read on Soup? Do you remember that you actually said you like AM's equation?
Lego said:
AM needs to get off Soup even when I like his equation.
You tell AM to get off Soup, without explaining SoupTown I might add, while also appealing to him by saying "yeah I like his equation" by saying that
you actually can see the fact that Soup could be scum.
You don't really care about my Soup push because you have him as town. You care about the Soup push because you are trying to make it look like my actions are scummier than they actually are which is garbage. You are holding a double standard to other players in the game and the fact is, you are not explaining your actions to a full degree. You haven't did not do as such with your Rockin read which as all but disappeared as of late, you didn't really explain your scum-read on me besides to the point of saying you don't like my reads, and to top it all off, you have not explained your town-reads on the two biggest opposing wagons.
Also let me attack this point of "my reads" being my biggest scum-tell to you.
I have different reads than you. So?
How in the world is having different reads scummy at all? It isn't. You haven't pointed out anything w.r.t. my pushes, you've just said they were "bad" or "not good reads" which is terrible because how is this scummy? I cannot fathom how you are trying to find that I have different reads scummy and you are reaching for a point to call me scum.
Lemme ask you, should I find you scummy for not having similar reads to mine? According to your logic, I should. However, that's not the reason I find you scummy. Instead:
So either do a couple of this options please:
A.) Realize that I'm not scum and go somewhere else.
B.) Stay on me and actually show how I'm scummy in your eyes.
C.) Get lynched. <3
I'm done now there is absolutely nothing else I could possibly explain any more clearer.