Skies of Arcadia Mafia - Game Over! Indy (AM) Wins!

[Marshmellowman]

@ lak

pool of like 2/3 people to be vigged? ill probably roll with it

also theres probably no vig guys so just expect to be in a ****ty situation come d2 regardless. i command yall to not let this demoralize you in the slightest however

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EBWOP: I get that he's not good at the game, but if that's really your only reasoning as to why you're not suspecting Orboknown then you're going to get burned. Give me more besides that crappy exucse.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

My stance is clear as day.

You can pressure him, but you want him dead for posting meh at best. So it's less about you forming a read because you've already made up your mind at this point. Or even then your read on the rest of the players in this game. Orbo is bad for his posts, yet you let others like JTB and Nabe walk away with the same crap.

Your not considering his skill into the equation, this is very important with newer players because you and Gheb want him dead regardless of this. You can't treat everyone in mafia equally because not everyone is going to be the same in standards, playstyle, and role. I could argue a Felipe lynch in every game he plays due to his lurking, Sheeping, and almost refusal to read games or attempt to give content. But I don't because he's bad and in turn I need to expect this while attempting a read on him.

Orbo isn't active, content isn't the best, and he tends to fall into being a sheep, but this is normal for him. If he is trying to push a scummy objective, I haven't seen anything to suggest he is trying this. Best you get is lurking which a lot of people are guilty for. His content though I see intent to try and get something forward, an attempt to see something in the game. His last post content wise isn't very good, but he is trying something.

He could have pulled the same kind of OMGUS he did with people defending and attacking but him he put you as town regardless, his is somewhat following others but still doesn't vote in certain directions, J, myself, etc. I think in there he is trying something, it's not the best but he is trying. That is why I do not want him lynched, coming from someone who is opportunistic as scum myself, lynching these kinds of players is something scum will look for. I watch for this because I know players like Orbo are prey for them when they are town.

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@Marsh: JTB, Rockin, Soup, maybe Orbo but would prefer first three dead before him.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Skimmed pg 12 but it looking like a buncha vote nabes and I'm down as fuhhhhhhh but I'mma do that shiz at home after I read this shiz. Vig shoot dat orbo rockin combo obvz.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

gorf vote nabe. do it in your next post

lookin at my homies kevin/j/gheb to drop the hammah immediately afterwards

 

[Marshmellowman]

gorf vote nabe. do it in your next post

lookin at my homies kevin/j/gheb to drop the hammah immediately afterwards

quote like a goat on a boat wearin a coat

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You can pressure him, but you want him dead for posting meh at best. So it's less about you forming a read because you've already made up your mind at this point. Or even then your read on the rest of the players in this game. Orbo is bad for his posts, yet you let others like JTB and Nabe walk away with the same crap.

I want him dead because I had earlier reasoning for wanting him dead and he has yet to refute it, I have no reason to change my mind. Why should I succumb to pressure when the slot has given me nothing in return?

Your not considering his skill into the equation, this is very important with newer players because you and Gheb want him dead regardless of this. You can't treat everyone in mafia equally because not everyone is going to be the same in standards, playstyle, and role. I could argue a Felipe lynch in every game he plays due to his lurking, Sheeping, and almost refusal to read games or attempt to give content. But I don't because he's bad and in turn I need to expect this while attempting a read on him.

Yeah and I told you to stop using the crappy-*** excuse that you've used tne times over, are you saying would it be anyone else that you would consider their slot scummy? Stop giving people benefit of the doubt, if someone is actually town they will appeal to your reasoning sufficiently, don't expect people to just be willing.

Orbo isn't active, content isn't the best, and he tends to fall into being a sheep, but this is normal for him. If he is trying to push a scummy objective, I haven't seen anything to suggest he is trying this. Best you get is lurking which a lot of people are guilty for. His content though I see intent to try and get something forward, an attempt to see something in the game. His last post content wise isn't very good, but he is trying something.

So what you're saying here is still the same crappy excuse you've made ten times over now. This **** is getting old.

He could have pulled the same kind of OMGUS he did with people defending and attacking but him he put you as town regardless, his is somewhat following others but still doesn't vote in certain directions, J, myself, etc. I think in there he is trying something, it's not the best but he is trying. That is why I do not want him lynched, coming from someone who is opportunistic as scum myself, lynching these kinds of players is something scum will look for. I watch for this because I know players like Orbo are prey for them when they are town.

Could is not the same damn thing as did. He didn't, you can't predict what Orboknown has done if he hasn't done it yet, you are completely going on this facade that you would expect him to play newbie town like this, not looking at the true objective manner of his posts. This pisses me off and it reminds me when I let JDietz slip from my grasp in SFII. This can all change however, and I'm literally just waiting for a sufficient response like I've said many, many, many, times.


Yeah

 

[#HBC | J]

The reason I don't like you J is because of your pushes. Pushing us? Eh, you really need to define that case better but okay. Pushing Gorf and Soup though, what? Both of those people are reading town (or townish in Soup's case) to me and I can't see why you have a different conclusion than me.

This is the thing that gets me back into this game.

My pushes are bad? What are you talking about? It's completely hypocritical to say that my pushes are bad on Soup of all people when your slot actually wagon hopped onto them and you even said that half the hydra that you co-exist with has Soup as a scum-read so you may have a "townish" read but the fact is you are trying to use that I pushed Soup as a reason to call me scum which is completely terrible. Especially when I am not the main pusher of the Soup wagon, you don't call out anyone else who has ever pushed Soup and decide to try and paint the blame on me. You say you "can't see why my conclusion is different than you" yet you apparantly can see the conclusion of other players like AM? I find that hard to believe. I do not get why you are trying to say that I have to have similar reads to you to be town in your eyes which does not make sense at all.

This also becomes more of a "......." when the fact is your slot bandwagon'd the Soup wagon. I also feel you are only beginning to hand out your town reads to whomever calls you town as well since Gorf/Soup are the only ones to truly do as such in a blatant manner. The only other person I recall calling you towny was AM sooooo yeah. However, you have yet to explain your Gorf/Soup town reads but are trying to condemn me for having a scum-read on both the slots?

I'm actually going to bring up our Soup reads, and I'm gonna show you something really carefully:

Soup, the reasoning that Xonar has you as scum, and that I'm reluctant to have you as town now (I gave Xonar the go ahead for pressure on you) is because of how you're holding onto this Orboknown read. Like, the thing is is that our reads usually actually line up, and the fact that you're seriously having a hard time grasping the concept that Orboknown can be newbie town bothers me. Trust me, I've seen Orbknown play before and I've thought he was scum for the EXACT same reasons you did (FFT mafia). However, he ended up just being a really bad townie who didn't really know where to look.

@Marshmellow: He isn't looking like he is scum-hunting more like he is trying to scum-hunt on Orbo and make his case seem bigger than it actually is w.r.t. him. It also feels like he is just clinging to it, just to cling to it. Reaction to Ryker's case also came off as if he was trying to put on a front as to try and dissuade the pressure by just seeming a bit too "confident". It's weird to explain and I can try and explain it better if you don't get me.

Our reasoning for disliking Soup is pretty much the same as well besides the +1 to my side of the explanation for me not liking his reaction to Ryker's push on him. So Swords, how can you not understand where my PoV is, especially considering, that we are thinking exactly the same thing w.r.t. Soup and why I have a scum-read on him. Also, I would like to ask, how can you not see a scum-read on a slot, when half of you also has that similar scum-read?

I mean you aren't even looking at things through another perspective.

Gorf and Soup have completely gone off the radar as soon as the wagons on them have dissapated and they do not sseem to care who gets lynched toDay as long as it is not them. Soup's vote on me is just opportunisitic to the dislike that is arising from your slot and KevinM who hasn't pointed out anything scummy with my slot but a bunch of nulls as he says himself.

Gorf is someone I am going to explain here much moreso, Gorf has done absolutely 0 scum-hunting this game and is just content to float on his reads. He is not making a single push by himself and is 100% okay with being a crowd-surfer. His explanations for his reads are incredibly lacking and does not make sense at all. Why does he have certain reads as town and why does he have certain things as scummy. He makes general blanket statements to back up his reads, like a good example would be his read on you where he says "How can this possibly be scumLego?" instead of actually explaining what about your slot is towny. He has just hopped on the other bandwagons and "been there in spirit" but continues to not do anything whatsoever. Gorf has not done anything this game unless it is in response to someone else and hasn't decided to do anything on his own. He is just content to ride on the coattails of others in this game and it's scummy as all get out. So explain to me Lego, how is Gorf=Town in your eyes? You have yet to explain how nor have you done anything but say a lot of things.

That's a thing about you this game, you say a lot of words, but you don't have anything really to back it up that isn't hypocritical or a bunch of air. Your "suspicion" on me is weak and you are trying to push it just to push it on the basis that our reads do not co-incide. Then let me ask you, Lego, what makes you of all the other people who have different reads then you or view other slots as scummy that you view as town? You haven't called out Marshmellow, Gheb, KevinM, LAK, AM, or anyone else. So am I safe to assume that these are all scum-reads of yours? Especially double for those who have pushed Gorf/Soup as well.

In fact, you haven't even explained fully why you have me as scum, you back out of giving a real reason or backing up exactly what you mean to say by having me as scum by saying this tiny little line:

Also I'm currently am looking at J, and realizing that there's nothing from him that I really care for that much.

Which is just hollow as all get-out. You don't really care for anything I have posted so far?This is just a generalization of what I have actually done in order to cover your *** if called out on it where you can take anything you want of my posts and try and construe it as scummy. yet you don't even try and back up anything what you are saying w.r.t. your read on me and I find it as complete bull.

Then in a question to AM you say this:

@AM: Why do you like J? Looking at him toDay, I can't really tell what there is for you to like about him besides form the Soup read. Initial jump on me and Gorf was bad, and in general his reads are very "meh." Soup could just be backed into a corner with a bad read, so go with me on this? Reconsider J toDay?

You just go back to saying that my initial jump on you+Gorf was bad, when the fact is AM agreed to what I was saying at Gorf because Gorf has been scummy this game but you are deciding to turn a blind eye just to that fact for an undetermined reason.

*Side-note*

You have called the Gorf push bad and have left it at that. Nowhere, do you fully explain why the Gorf push is bad when people have explained why he is scummy. If you disagree with that wagon, then why is he so obv-town that we should not push that slot? You haven't pointed this out at all, Swords. What makes me believe that you guys have him as town is purely based on the fact that he has a town-read on your slot and that is giving you the reason to like him.

/side-note

In the question towards AM, you are just trying to appeal to him by asking him the same question twice as to asking him to go with you on me which is grimy, especially when you don't back up your said reasoning and the thing is, AM agreed with me on the Gorf push so by calling it a bad push/not liking it, you are essentially calling AM's push/dislike of Gorf bad/scummy. I mean look at this:

Also your beauty certainly is not lacking! You've done your work on your Gorf proof. The steps check out and we agree with your points. His blatant attempts at submitting homework without showing any of his work does strike me as a shade scummy.

So Lego, what do you make of this then?

Actually, let's talk about AM some more here. You say you dislike the Soup push, why have you not done anything about his push on Soup if you feel that strongly about it and especially if you feel that strongly enough to push a scum-read on me for having a similar read on Soup? Do you remember that you actually said you like AM's equation?

AM needs to get off Soup even when I like his equation.

You tell AM to get off Soup, without explaining SoupTown I might add, while also appealing to him by saying "yeah I like his equation" by saying that you actually can see the fact that Soup could be scum.

You don't really care about my Soup push because you have him as town. You care about the Soup push because you are trying to make it look like my actions are scummier than they actually are which is garbage. You are holding a double standard to other players in the game and the fact is, you are not explaining your actions to a full degree. You haven't did not do as such with your Rockin read which as all but disappeared as of late, you didn't really explain your scum-read on me besides to the point of saying you don't like my reads, and to top it all off, you have not explained your town-reads on the two biggest opposing wagons.

Also let me attack this point of "my reads" being my biggest scum-tell to you.

I have different reads than you. So?

How in the world is having different reads scummy at all? It isn't. You haven't pointed out anything w.r.t. my pushes, you've just said they were "bad" or "not good reads" which is terrible because how is this scummy? I cannot fathom how you are trying to find that I have different reads scummy and you are reaching for a point to call me scum.

Lemme ask you, should I find you scummy for not having similar reads to mine? According to your logic, I should. However, that's not the reason I find you scummy. Instead:

So either do a couple of this options please:

A.) Realize that I'm not scum and go somewhere else.
B.) Stay on me and actually show how I'm scummy in your eyes.
C.) Get lynched. <3

I'm done now there is absolutely nothing else I could possibly explain any more clearer.

 

[#HBC | J]

Sorry for the wall. ^^" Got bored waiting for my driving instructor and also got a little fired up.

Anyways, Nabe lynch? Why we lynching inactives>scummy people? Could totally swing that way but uuugh wanna lynch scummy people like Lego/etc.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

LAK / Soup, you two seriously need to stfu. This is exactly the kind of discussion that scum benefits from regardless of either of your alignment. We're looking for a good play toDay and you two bust each others heads? If you're both town that's a perfect excuse for scum to just coast along, like I suspect they're doing right now anyway. Get your clumsy ***** out of the spotlight, we're trying to find scum and your *******ery doesn't help us in the slightest.

Vote Nabe

If no scumbag is among Nabe, Orb and JTB then we've like auto-lost already ... unless we lynch / vig them asap. Rockin's constant excuses about not doing stuff are just as annoying as AM's really uncharacteristic inactivity. All in all that's really a lot to get rid of before we can even start looking for active players. We're chopping off our own legs if we did that right now.

**** this game, let's just lynch somebody already.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

J, Lego is soooooo~ not a play toDay gtfo with that. We're not lynching one of the few guys who bothers to make stuff happen, even if you don't agree with him or suspect him.

 

[#HBC | J]

I know he's not a play toDay. Still think he deserves death.

Hence why my vote is still tentatively on Gorf while I think about Nabe/Rake.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Sorry for the wall. ^^" Got bored waiting for my driving instructor and also got a little fired up.

Anyways, Nabe lynch? Why we lynching inactives>scummy people? Could totally swing that way but uuugh wanna lynch scummy people like Lego/etc.

Who is "etc."? When do we reach the point where 'inactive' and 'scummy' becomes equivalent? Do you really think we can afford lynching an active 'scummy' player, who then might just flip town and then lose another active player in the Night phase? That's like the worst possible scenario for town and as much as I hate to be the guy to make panic we're pretty damn close to reach that scenario unless we remove inactivity now.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'd rather have a lurky towny than an active scummy. Slot would still be scum regardless of what they are giving. I don't get why you are getting so jittery with the inactives. o_O

Etc. is Gorf/Soup

And yes, I do think we can afford lynching scummy>inactive. Plus Nabe's slot just has 0% to go off of, I mean what do you gain from that Gheb besides just weeding the activity problem? A whole lotta nothing really. =/

 

[Marshmellowman]

yeah im not happy with how things e turned out either tho im def fine with nabe dying. this game was turning out to be awesome but then the acumteam just sarted coastin hardbody. someone drop dat hammah!

also j is so good at mafia guys. his 488 is probably the best post in the game and explains why gorf/lego are so grimy

also me and mac had rockin as crap town. did anyone else think this?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'd rather have a lurky towny than an active scummy. Slot would still be scum regardless of what they are giving. I don't get why you are getting so jittery with the inactives. o_O

Wow @you playing Nabe's, Rockin's, Orb's, AM's and JTB's uselessness down as 'lurky'. If that were the case there'd be a lot less trouble. You don't think there's anything wrong with *at least* 5 townies all being 'lurky' at the same time?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

A lot of people in this game deserve death. Half of the roster is inactive and like 50% of the active half has gotten major flak at some point in this game. Really want at least the inactivity to get over with.

 

[#HBC | J]

yeah im not happy with how things e turned out either tho im def fine with nabe dying. this game was turning out to be awesome but then the acumteam just sarted coastin hardbody. someone drop dat hammah!

also j is so good at mafia guys. his 488 is probably the best post in the game and explains why gorf/lego are so grimy

also me and mac had rockin as crap town. did anyone else think this?

I agree to Rockin as being town. However, getting the same vibes I did in Celeb so I think the fact is I can't read Rockin well ever haha.

Marshy, we have 3 days. I want Lego/Gorf and so do you. We can make it happen.

Wow @you playing Nabe's, Rockin's, Orb's, AM's and JTB's uselessness down as 'lurky'. If that were the case there'd be a lot less trouble. You don't think there's anything wrong with *at least* 5 townies all being 'lurky' at the same time?

Well Rockin has been V/LA due to moving shenanigans. JTB has also been V/LA as well for the most part.

Nabe/Orbo/AM are M.I.A. and the only one that really makes me question it is AM. Orbo is lurky and coming back at certain times. Nabe/Rake slot just has never been here to begin with and still hasn't caught up.

Well Gheb, they can't all be scum. I mean it is very possible/likely that at least one of those inactives are scum. *shrug* Idk.

Depending on what Marshy says, may hammer drop, may let someone else do it.

 

[Marshmellowman]

posting again solely to express how ****ing baller js 488 was. so good my god. where the **** were you when me/mac declared lego/gorf the best plays

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm here now. ;P

Vote: Lego
Vote: Gorf
Vote: Lego
Vote: Gorf

Come ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon.

 

[#HBC | J]

Gheb, I'll trade ya.

Gorf is both scummy and lurky. Lynch him toDay and we get the best of both worlds.

LAK will join me cuz they <3 me.

With Marshmellow that's 4 votes.

Orbo will vote cuz we will tell him too.

AM will vote Gorf.

One of Rockin/Nabe/JTB will come out of the woodworks and lynch Gorf or one of his scum-buddies will "bus" him.

 

[#HBC | J]

@Marshy/Rockin: KevinM is giving me weird vibes. Good or Bad?

 

[Marshmellowman]

but nabes scum too

lol this reminds me of celebrity rehab where we argued over the best play but both were scum

whats frustrating about this game is that its not hard to get a lynch in the slightest. rockin/orbo/nabe/gorf all got bodied in no time. the problem are the lulls in activity that is hindering town at the moment. we REALLY have a laundry/ryker hydra disappearing? i cannot believe this

lemme talk to macman. i am glad some life has been injected into this game

 

[#HBC | J]

Laundry/Ryker hydra probably needs to be investigated. Argument of Soup vs. AM is very TvS and if one of them flips town, I am gunning for the other most likely.

Mellow-man, if I hammer Nabe in my very next post. I want Lego/Gorf dead the following two days regardless of whatever. Deal?

 

[Marshmellowman]

as in we literally spend all of d2 and d3 ensuring that lego and gorf get ****ed outta hear hardbody hands down mercilessly no questions asked j?

 

[Marshmellowman]

if the answer to the above is yes which do you want first?

 

[#HBC | J]

Uuuuugh, I want Gorf first, but Lego is...well Lego. I feel more confident on Gorf flipping scum but Lego needs to get out of here almost as much.

If Nabe doesn't flip scum, then we have to decipher which one of Soup/Gheb/KevinM/AM are scum.

Not even factoring in Orbo/JTB atm cuz that'd just complicate things.

LAK/Marshmellow should ride the game till LyLo.

 

[#HBC | J]

Here I'll take Soup/AM, you deal with figuring out Gheb/KevinM. Divide and conquer.

 

[Marshmellowman]

not trying to be curt but that doesnt exactly answer my question. if you want me to put all my effort into offing gorf/lego asap then say so

 

[#HBC | J]

Gorf.

I'll take him first then.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Vote: Nabe

Ba boom?

 

[Marshmellowman]

dude that doesnt answer my question. yes or no? and if you dont know just say so as well. i am talking to macman within the day which will provide us with more solid protown opinion

speaking of solid protown opinion ruy/john please weigh in. you/me/j = obvtownbros to da max but we seem to be pulling in different directions

 

[#HBC | J]

............gorf stole my hammer.......

;_;

Yes was gonna be my answer.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Yep. Ba boom

 

[#HBC | J]

We are seriously lynching you tomorrow if not for anything but stealing my hammer.

>='[

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Don't do that

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Obtw...

So I'mma be going HAM on this shiz overNight.

 

[Marshmellowman]

you have my word j

quote that big post i made in giant caps and change the names of the 2/3 people who need to be vigged please j

protective role is wifoming me/j/lak tonight no questions asked. if someone claims protective role and says they DIDNT do that then lynch them IMMEDIATELY

same for vig if he doesnt shoot js targets

gorf post a funny hammer picture please

 

[Marshmellowman]

quicklynches without claim = good for town

now to wait half a week for raz to update even tho i just pmd him tht we killed nabe

 

[Marshmellowman]

also i cant believe kevin voted both lak and j today. really bro?