Data Shulk patch thread

[Berserker.]

This thread will serve as the official patch thread for Shulk changes. Do not post at other old patch threads that were made for previous patches. All changes will be archived in this thread. The rules are the same for finding changes, evidence and data must be presented to back up your claim. If you want something tested in case if you're feeling something, ask away. No placebo please. Thanks

Green- Buffed
Red- Nerfed

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1.1.4

Visual: Monado beam effects changed

......

:< wat


1.1.3

N-air (Landing lag) 12 >> 10
F-air (Landing lag) 18 >> 16
U-air (Landing lag) 17 >> 15
B-air (Landing lag) 21 >> 19
D-air (Landing lag) 25 >> 23

Dash attack 11% >> 11.5%
F-tilt (Sweetspot) 13% >> 13.5%
F-tilt (Sourspot) 11.5% >> 12%
U-tilt 8%/7% >> 8.5%/7.5%
D-tilt 9/7% >> 9.5%/7.5%
N-air 8%/7% >> 8.5%/7.5%
F-air 7.5%/6% >> 8.0%/6.5%
B-air 12%/8.0% >> 12.5%/8.5%
U-air (Hit 1) 5% >> 5.5%
U-air (Hit 2) 10%/7.5% >> 10.5%/8%
D-air (Hit 1) 7.0%/5.0% >> 7.5%/6%
D-air (Hit 2) 11%/10% >> 11.5%/10.5%

1.1.1

Dash vision angle: 35 >> 32
Dash vision (KBG): 84/94 >> 89/99

1.1.0

Back Slash start up decreased (Frame 31 >> Frame 22)
U-air's 1st hit angle: 100 > 100/96
U-air's 1st hit WKB 60 > 80/60
U-air's 1st hit range 5.5u > 6.2u/6.0u (First hit)
U-air's 2nd hit range 3.5u/5.5u > 3.8u/6.5u (Second hit)

1.0.8

No changes

1.0.6

No changes

1.0.4

F-air (Landing lag) 21 >> 18
Dash attack end lag decreased
Speed art damage dealt x0.72 >> x0.8
Buster art damage received x1.20 >> x1.13

Jab 1 3% >> 3.5%
Jab 2 3% >> 3.5%
Jab 3 (Sweetspot) 4.3% >> 5.3%
Jab 3 (Sourspot) 3.2% >> 4.2%
Dash attack 10% >> 11%
F-tilt (Sweetspot) 12% >> 13%
F-tilt (Sourspot) 10.5% >> 11.5%
U-tilt 7%/6% >> 8%/7%
D-tilt (Sweetspot) 8% >> 9%
D-tilt (Sourspot) 6% >> 7%
F-smash (Hit 1) 5% >> 5.5%
F-smash (Hit 2) 12.5%/11% >> 13%/11.5%
U-smash (Hit 1) 4% >> 4.5%
U-smash (Hit 2) 13% >> 13.5%
D-smash (All hitboxes' damage increased by 1%)
(Hit 1) 13%/11% → 14%/12%
(Hit 2) 11%/9% → 12%/10%
(Hit 3) 9%/7% → 10%/8%
(Hit 4) 7%/5% → 8%/6%
(Hit 5) 5%/3% → 6%/4%
N-air (Tip) 7% >> 8%
N-air (Base) 6% >> 7%
F-air (Base) 6.5% >> 7.5%
F-air (Tip) 5% >> 6%
B-air (Base) 11% >> 12%
B-air (Tip) 7% >> 8%
U-air (Hit 1) 4% >> 5%
U-air (Hit 2) 9%/6.5% >> 10%/7.5%
D-air (Hit 1) 6%/4% >> 7%/5%
D-air (Hit 2) 10%/9% >> 11%/10%
Air Slash (Hit 1) 5%/4% >> 6%/5%
B-throw 11% >> 12%
F-throw 10% >> 11%
U-throw 6% >> 7%
D-throw 6% >> 7%

Dash attack 126 >> 132
F-tilt (Blade) 136 >> 134
D-tilt (Blade) 105 >> 112
U-tilt (Blade) 115 >> 122
F-smash (Sweetspot/No tilting/Full charge) 215 >> 223
D-smash (Up close, front hit/Full charge) ??? >> 205
U-smash (Up close/Full charge) ??? >> 208
N-air (Base hit) 95 >> 103
F-air (Base hit) 102 >> 110
B-air (Sweetspot) 131 >> 139
D-air (Sweetspot) 117 >> 124
U-air (Sweetspot) 131 >> 139
Back slash (Base, Back hit) 160 >> 170
Air slash 137 >> 138
D-throw 111 >> 112
F-throw 98 >> 99
B-throw 104 >> 104
U-throw 83 >> 83

 

[notyourparadigm]

Just remembered that this new update will likely mean, once again, all saved replays are going to be unplayable.

My roommates and I just recently invested in a capture card, so anyone who doesn't have a one and has some WiiU replays they really want immortalized, PM me, add me as a friend, and send them to me! I'll be sure I record them all before I install the update, but the upload to Youtube might be a little longer.

Also prayer circle for frame buffs :>

 

[Berserker.]

Prayer circle, everyone gather up

 

[MeatOfJustice]

It's 1.0.8 and the eShop is under maintenance. We'll have to wait

 

[Masonomace]

As soon as the servers aren't overloaded with traffic, I'll do the update & search the hell out of any changes I can notice. I think this is 1.0.8 too btw

EDIT: I'm downloading the update right now.

EDIT: Installing!!

 

[Berserker.]

Not sure if there's a balance patch but we'll see. I guess. My internet is garbage right now so I might be late for the researching

 

[KuroganeHammer]

if any of you placebo me into checking something of shulk's and its the same as prepatch, i will kill you.

 

[MeatOfJustice]

Downloading right now! (3DS) I'll check if there's balance ASAP.

 

[MarioFireRed]

For things that are still in:

Monado Art Landing Lag Cancel (MALLC) is confirmed to still be in.

 

[TWILTHERO]

Testing right now. MALLC is still in confirmed.
Full jab combo still doesn't work on Jigglypuff ;_;
Buster's damage properties still the same.

Don't think Shulk got changed at all.

 

[Masonomace]

I currently see no changes with Monado Arts Decisive Arts & Hyper Arts. Each of their Art's duration, cooldowns, & damages seem untouched. Other customs feel the same too. Power Vision is still silly.

So far I don't see much changes if any at all for Shulk.

 

[Berserker.]

I don't think were any balance patches to begin with :sc

 

[Neo Zero]

I don't think were any balance patches to begin with :sc

Some others got documented changes.

Guess Shulk just isn't loved. R.I.P. better frame data.

 

[Berserker.]

Oh yeah. There are changes. Check the knockback values and damage. Check shield's defense. Check jump's defense. Check buster's defense.

THANKS.

 

[Nammy12]

I'll test frame data later if needed.

 

[Berserker.]

I'll test frame data later if needed.

That would be amazing. Thanks :D

Can you check on the landing lag also?

 

[Nammy12]

That would be amazing. Thanks :D

Can you check on the landing lag also?

Sure.
I'm not home right now so give me a couple hours.

 

[Berserker.]

To know if Smash art's KB boost was buffed, just test it on a 150% level 1 Mario. Activate smash art and use any attack then quit, check the base knockback at the results screen (keep scrolling) then compare it to the previous version.

Previous version: http://smashboards.com/threads/1-06-patch-discussion-findings.397418/page-3#post-18993153

Things to test with Shulk's arts:
- Buster's defense nerf
- Speed's damage nerf
- Smash's knockback buff
- Jump's defense nerf
- Shield's mobility nerf
- Shield's damage nerf
- Shield's defense buff

I'm downloading the patch atm. Gonna go ham

 

[Masonomace]

To know if Smash art's KB boost was buffed, just test it on a 150% level 1 Mario. Activate smash art and use any attack then quit, check the base knockback at the results screen (keep scrolling) then compare it to the previous version.

Previous version: http://smashboards.com/threads/1-06-patch-discussion-findings.397418/page-3#post-18993153

Okay, so just to make sure this is right, Max Launcher Speed is the KB value I'm looking for? Because Vanilla Dash Attack on Mario at 150% is 80. . .& when we have 150% Rage the KB increases to 93

Smash Art Dash Attack is 93, while 150% Rage Smash Art Dash Attack is 106. I really hope I'm wrong

 

[Berserker.]

Smash art's KB boost is still the same

DA's KB wasn't changed

Shield defense unchanged
Buster defense unchanged
Speed is the same
Shield is pretty much the same

KB TESTS WILL COME NEXT

I see you Masterlinkx~ (Help please :<)

 

[Nammy12]

Okay, I tested his moves.

Frame data is still the same for everything (tilts, smashes, aerials) for both startup and endlag.

Didn't make gfys since they can take a while and I'm kind of busy atm but I can get some if requested.

 

[Berserker.]

changes
Yellow- Same
Green- Buffed
Red- Nerfed

Frame data is still the same (Ty Nammy12)

Monado art mechanics are still the same

Damage outputs for Shulk
Jab 1 3.5%
Jab 2 3.5%
Jab 3 (Sweetspot) 5.3%
Jab 3 (Sourspot) 4.2%
Dash attack 11%
F-tilt (Sweetspot) 13%
F-tilt (Sourspot) 11.5%
D-tilt (Sweetspot) 9%
D-tilt (Sourspot) 7%
F-smash 18.5%
U-smash 18%
D-smash (Sweetspot, up close) 14%
N-air (Tip) 8%
N-air (Base) 7%
F-air (Base) 7.5%
F-air (Tip) 6%
B-air (Base) 12%
B-air (Tip) 8%
U-air 15%
D-air 18%
Back Slash 16%
Air Slash 11.5%
B-throw 12%
F-throw 11%
U-throw 7%
D-throw 7%

Patch KB values for Shulk
Dash attack 132 >> 132
F-tilt (Blade) 134 >> 134
D-tilt (Blade) 112 >> 112
U-tilt (Blade) 122 >> 122

F-smash (Sweetspot/No tilting/Full charge) 223 >> 223
D-smash (Up close, front hit/Full charge) 205 >> 205
U-smash (Up close/Full charge) 208 >> 208

N-air (Base hit) 103 >> 103
F-air (Base hit) 110 >> 110
B-air (Sweetspot) 139 >> 139
D-air (Sweetspot) 124 >> 124
U-air (Sweetspot) 139 >> 139

Back slash (Base, Back hit) 170 >> 170
Air slash 138 >> 138

D-throw 112 >> 112
F-throw 99 >> 99
B-throw 104 >> 104
U-throw 83 >> 83

Techs
MALLC and MADC are still in

 

[isaiah :)]

what about auto-cancels ?

 

[Berserker.]

His auto cancel windows are still hilarious

Hilariously awful

 

[Masonomace]

I've went with trying out his autocancels already.

Shulk can still only Full Hop F-air, that's his only autocancel. Unless you want to count canceling FH D-air or U-air's landing lag with a Special move like Air Slash, he's got nothing.

 

[isaiah :)]

aww sad, oh well i guess you just have to be very technical as well as a proper spacer to play him ayy

 

[Berserker.]

Oh and I tested the Monado arts' up-time and cooldown time btw

Still the same. Just saying

 

[kenniky]

http://smashboards.com/posts/19454998/

no changes

 

[Berserker.]

Ace in the hole

Announcement: This will be our official patch thread for the Monado boy from now on. That's all. Have fun

 

[Masonomace]

So with the recent maintenance going on, apparently Ver. 1.0.9 is already out but I assume it was just server maintenance,. . .or even a Power Vision nerf.

 

[kenniky]

So with the recent maintenance going on, apparently Ver. 1.0.9 is already out but I assume it was just server maintenance,. . .or even a Power Vision nerf.

No replay changes, so no gameplay changes. They said it was for a better experience; other than the godawful UI the only thing I can think of is the finicky Smash online connecting. Hopefully that was what got fixed.

 

[Berserker.]

Okay. This probably needs to be revived for the 31st

 

[Rawbinator]

The patch is live people...still installing though. Will hop on Shulk right away

Edit: everything feels the same to me. MALLC still in. Deactivation buffer stuff recently posted still works

Edit2: backslash was so bad I literally forgot it existed. Yay it looks like we did get a buff!

 

[Nammy12]

I... I think they buffed backslash.

 

[Plain Yogurt]

Backslash hitbox comes out sooner for sure. It looks...kinda funny.

 

[ExcaliburGuy]

Wait... It's out now?!

 

[Meccs]

So I was testing Ness' Bthrow and good news for you guys.
Prepatch: Shield Shulk dies with optimal DI on the close-side of FD at 122%.
That's now 138%
Far-side went from 221% to 225%.
So something to look into, I guess.
Edit: standard Shulk dies at the same percents, so if I had to guess I'd say shield (or maybe all the arts?) was buffed.

 

[Berserker.]

Updating atm. Hyyype

 

[Masonomace]

Back Slash's Startup is definitely hotness!

 

[Berserker.]

Any other differences that were noticed?