Should Sora be an assist trophy instead of a playable character?

[kaithehedgefox]

Sora, the main protagonist of Kingdom Hearts has been one of the highly requested characters be be playable. But however, Kingdom Hearts is a Disney Game. And being from a non-videogame franchise automatically deconfirms that character. While on the bright side Sora debuted in a videogame and thus he is a videogame character.

Well, Disney isn't a videogame franchise, so does that mean that Sora is deconfirmed?

Even if Sora is deconfirmed, I would still love to have him as an assist trophy, and I think he deserves to be an assist trophy.

My question to you is, do you think Sora deserves to be an assist trophy and not playable? And why?

 

[osby]

No, Kingdom Hearts is a video game franchise.

 

[kaithehedgefox]

No, Kingdom Hearts is a video game franchise.

So Sora isn't deconfirmed.

 

[osby]

So Sora isn't deconfirmed.

No.

This whole thread is pointless. You should stop making "does this character is deconfirmed, should they be Assist Trophies?" threads. They are just copies of each other and don't produce any constructive discussions.

 

[Deleted member]

Wow, you sure do hate fun.

 

[Orlando BCN]

The mental gymnastics you undertake to make these kinds of threads has gone to the point where it’s impressive. But to the topic at hand, Nintendo can include Sora since he is a game character; they just have to consult with Disney about using their characters. It might turn out to be a big licensing nightmare, however.

I don’t care if he shows up as an assist trophy or as a playable character; the chance that he’ll show up at all is fairly slim.

 

[fogbadge]

i imagine kingdom hearts may cost quite the licencing fee so i dont theyd reduce him to just an assist trophy they want their moneys worth an make him playble

 

[GoodGrief741]

Kingdom Hearts is a videogame IP. So Sora isn't disconfirmed.

And I don't see why he shouldn't be playable.

 

[OnyanRings]

If they can manage to get the rights for sora, why would he only be an assist ?
seems like a lot of trouble for not much in return :T

 

[TheAnvil]

Mickey should the KH rep

 

[RealPokeFan11]

Kingdom Hearts is a video game franchise, despite having connections with 4th party characters. Sora himself is technically a video game character, so he's still able to get in. I would be all for his inclusion, maybe without Mickey and friends joining him.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

"She should just be a spirit"


Typos aside,
No, Sora should be playable or not there at all. I highly doubt they would go through the legal hoops with Disney and Square just for an Assist Trophy.

 

[Sari]

No, it makes no sense for Nintendo/Sakurai to go through all of the trouble of getting the rights to Sora just to add him as a support ally. Also the "Disney isn't a video game franchise so Sora is deconfirmed" argument falls apart when you remember that Sakurai considered James Bond for Melee, but chose not to because of his realistic weaponry/legal issues. Also being published by Disney and having Disney characters doesn't change the fact that Kingdom Hearts IS a video game franchise.

This is like the 10th thread you've made about this. Please just give it a rest.

 

[kaithehedgefox]

No, it makes no sense for Nintendo/Sakurai to go through all of the trouble of getting the rights to Sora just to add him as a support ally. Also the "Disney isn't a video game franchise so Sora is deconfirmed" argument falls apart when you remember that Sakurai considered James Bond for Melee, but chose not to because of his realistic weaponry/legal issues. Also being published by Disney and having Disney characters doesn't change the fact that Kingdom Hearts IS a video game franchise.

This is like the 10th thread you've made about this. Please just give it a rest.

Okay! I'm going to move on to something else.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Sora can get in because he's a video game character

But for the last time, please, I already explained this to you. Non-video game characters will never ever ever be in Smash as either an assist trophy or playable character. The most I could see is something extremely small like a Popeye reference, but even that would be pushing it in some people's eyes.

If you don't originate from a video game, you won't make an appearance in Smash. Meaning no Goku, no Spongebob, no Hatsune Miku, no Shrek, etc.

 

[Deleted member]

Kingdom Hearts is a video game franchise, despite having connections with 4th party characters. Sora himself is technically a video game character, so he's still able to get in. I would be all for his inclusion, maybe without Mickey and friends joining him.

In that case, Android 21 for Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

Yes, and we should make the KH rep that man at Traveller Town who turns into a heartless. His Final Smash would be turning everyone into a heartless which just ends the fight when that happens.

Biggest /s

 

[MyDude213]

Sora, the main protagonist of Kingdom Hearts has been one of the highly requested characters be be playable. But however, Kingdom Hearts is a Disney Game. And being from a non-videogame franchise automatically deconfirms that character. While on the bright side Sora debuted in a videogame and thus he is a videogame character.

Well, Disney isn't a videogame franchise, so does that mean that Sora is deconfirmed?

Even if Sora is deconfirmed, I would still love to have him as an assist trophy, and I think he deserves to be an assist trophy.

My question to you is, do you think Sora deserves to be an assist trophy and not playable? And why?

See you said it yourself DISNEY isn't a video game franchise they're a multi billion dollar COMPANY so ya no ****. But Kingdom Hearts is and always has been a video game franchise first and foremost. It started out a video game first not second. Disney owns the IP that doesn't mean that THEY are the IP itself, KH is a video game crossover of Disney related IP and Square IP/gameplay mechanics. So no Sora is NOT deconfirmed that is a misconception, Sora isn't like Goku where he started off as a cartoon character first and had games made of his franchise second. Kingdom Hearts has been a video game IP from the very beginning. As for if Sora should be an assist over playable character no, no he shouldn't and probably wouldn't be simply because he has entirely too many kit possibilities he could have to be relegated to just an assist trophie role. That would be like saying Banjo should be an assist trophie because microsoft owns him. Also asking people if they think a character should be an assist after the game is already out when all people care about and are actually paying attention to is DLC PLAYABLE fighters is redundant and completely pointless. They're not gonna add more assist trophies in the game and not a single person would pay for them if they were added anyway cause no one cares about assist trophies like that. This would have been an appropriate question back before the game was actually released at least then it could have possibly meant something asking it now means literally nothing.

 

[Perkilator]

See Donald in this picture? That's how I feel about you at this point. These threads were always pointless, and something tells me you can't just stop.

 

[kaithehedgefox]

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See Donald in this picture? That's how I feel about you at this point. These threads were always pointless, and something tells me you can't just stop.

I swear to move one from these types of threads and make better threads from now on!

 

[Deleted member]

I swear to move one from these types of threads and make better threads from now on!

Then ****ing do it *****

 

[CureParfait]

I think Sora would be either playable or he won't. It doesn't make sense if he just popped up as an Assist Trophy unless Smash had another KH character in mind to be playable.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

I swear to move one from these types of threads and make better threads from now on!

Or just join the conversation of another thread if you aren't able to think of anything.

 

[OnyanRings]

In that case, Android 21 for Smash.

This but unironically.

 

[ProfPeanut]

Why would anyone go through the trouble of getting the rights to Kingdom Hearts, of all franchises, simply to use the protagonist as an Assist Trophy cameo? So much work for so little reward.

 

[Sean Wheeler]

I don't want Sora to make any appearance in Smash until Sakurai is open to letting characters like Goku in. Disney is a movie company. While yes the Kingdom Hearts series have been just video games, they still include a lot of movie characters and Sora has been traveling between the worlds of Disney's movies. To me, Sora from Kingdom Hearts seems to be a similar case to Vader's Apprentice from Star Wars: The Force Awakens. He technically debuted in and mainly appeared in video games but he's not allowed a support thread because he's from the Star Wars universe. In Sora's first game, he travelled to worlds based on Alice in Wonderland, Hercules, Tarzan, Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, The Nightmare Before Christmas and Peter Pan. He got swallowed by the whale from Pinocchio. After giving summon gems to the Cinderella's Fairy Godmother, he was able to summon The Lion King, Bambi, Dumbo and the dragon from Mulan. His main traveling buddies are Mickey Mouse characters. He rescued the 101 Dalmatians, and the main villain for most of the game was the witch from Sleeping Beauty. He teams up with Beauty and the Beast to fight her. Actually just the Beast because Belle was held captive with other princesses including Snow White, some girls from movies already listed, and Sora's love interest. The first game was already tied to eighteen movies! And of all the characters in that game, there were only four original characters not counting the Heartless species. The Organization and the keyblade wielders of the past came later in the series. But every installment has Disney movie characters. A post above showed a screenshot from Kingdom Hearts III in a world based on Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End with Jack Sparrow and the post was noting Donald Duck's face. If Sakurai doesn't want characters originating in other media to be in Smash and even debuting in a game that has ties to an other media franchise wouldn't let Starkiller or Android 21 in, then the way Kingdom Hearts uses Disney characters should deconfirm Sora. And besides, Disney has closed down it's gaming division and has said no to buying Activision because it's more interested in licensing their characters for games than developing their own. So Sakurai wouldn't be asking Disney for video game characters because Disney is not a video game company. And if he did decide to use characters from non-gaming companies for the next Smash, I don't think he would make them Assist Trophies. All that money spent on a license only to throw them away as an Assist Trophy?

 

[Dee Dude]

....no? He’s clearly meant as a Fighter.

I don't want Sora to make any appearance in Smash until Sakurai is open to letting characters like Goku in.

I’m sorry....****ing WHAT?

Sora being owned Disney doesn’t put him on Shrek/Goku/Spongebob tier, he’s clearly an established video game character of an iconic and popular game franchise that just so happens to include Disney characters.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

If Sakurai doesn't want characters originating in other media to be in Smash and even debuting in a game that has ties to an other media franchise wouldn't let Starkiller or Android 21 in, then the way Kingdom Hearts uses Disney characters should deconfirm Sora.

Starkiller and Android 21 debuted in video games that are directly part of Dragon Ball and Star Wars, both non video game media franchises. Neither the Force Unleashed nor Dragon Ball Fighter Z created brand new IPs. Kingdom Hearts features Disney characters, but it is still its own franchise, being primarily a video game series.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I don't want Sora to make any appearance in Smash until Sakurai is open to letting characters like Goku in. Disney is a movie company. While yes the Kingdom Hearts series have been just video games, they still include a lot of movie characters and Sora has been traveling between the worlds of Disney's movies. To me, Sora from Kingdom Hearts seems to be a similar case to Vader's Apprentice from Star Wars: The Force Awakens. He technically debuted in and mainly appeared in video games but he's not allowed a support thread because he's from the Star Wars universe. In Sora's first game, he travelled to worlds based on Alice in Wonderland, Hercules, Tarzan, Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, The Nightmare Before Christmas and Peter Pan. He got swallowed by the whale from Pinocchio. After giving summon gems to the Cinderella's Fairy Godmother, he was able to summon The Lion King, Bambi, Dumbo and the dragon from Mulan. His main traveling buddies are Mickey Mouse characters. He rescued the 101 Dalmatians, and the main villain for most of the game was the witch from Sleeping Beauty. He teams up with Beauty and the Beast to fight her. Actually just the Beast because Belle was held captive with other princesses including Snow White, some girls from movies already listed, and Sora's love interest. The first game was already tied to eighteen movies! And of all the characters in that game, there were only four original characters not counting the Heartless species. The Organization and the keyblade wielders of the past came later in the series. But every installment has Disney movie characters. A post above showed a screenshot from Kingdom Hearts III in a world based on Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End with Jack Sparrow and the post was noting Donald Duck's face. If Sakurai doesn't want characters originating in other media to be in Smash and even debuting in a game that has ties to an other media franchise wouldn't let Starkiller or Android 21 in, then the way Kingdom Hearts uses Disney characters should deconfirm Sora. And besides, Disney has closed down it's gaming division and has said no to buying Activision because it's more interested in licensing their characters for games than developing their own. So Sakurai wouldn't be asking Disney for video game characters because Disney is not a video game company. And if he did decide to use characters from non-gaming companies for the next Smash, I don't think he would make them Assist Trophies. All that money spent on a license only to throw them away as an Assist Trophy?

What franchise is Sora from?

 

[ryuu seika]

No character with a large following, history or impact on gaming and unique moveset potential should be anything but playable.

 

[fogbadge]

I don't want Sora to make any appearance in Smash until Sakurai is open to letting characters like Goku in. Disney is a movie company.

well thats not quite right disney is a massive entertainment company, which includes film studious, but they also make toys games tv series books and all sorts not just from the multiple companies theyve bought

have to say its been a while since weve heard from you, though ill leave the picking apart of sora logic to others

 

[Sebas22]

Just like Rayman, make him a Spirit. You fight Hero and Duck Hunt on Mario Galaxy. There you go.

I have nothing against Sora, but I think Hero is pretty much a less agile Sora. Swordsman, flashy magic, lots of spells, RPG element. Slap a few Mickey pins on him and lots of zippers, BAM! Sora in Smash.

 

[fogbadge]

Just like Rayman, make him a Spirit. You fight Hero and Duck Hunt on Mario Galaxy. There you go.

I have nothing against Sora, but I think Hero is pretty much a less agile Sora. Swordsman, flashy magic, lots of spells, RPG element. Slap a few Mickey pins on him and lots of zippers, BAM! Sora in Smash.

youd also need a big key much spiker hair a much clearer personality and to have a nearly entirely different set up of spells as there a lot that either dont have counter parts in KH or work very differently

 

[TriggerX]

Just like Rayman, make him a Spirit. You fight Hero and Duck Hunt on Mario Galaxy. There you go.

I have nothing against Sora, but I think Hero is pretty much a less agile Sora. Swordsman, flashy magic, lots of spells, RPG element. Slap a few Mickey pins on him and lots of zippers, BAM! Sora in Smash.

I doubt Nintendo would go to the trouble to make him a spirit. Rayman isn’t on the same playing field as Kingdom Hearts when it comes to the money behind the series. At this point Rayman ‘s worth is probably a level above Bubsy and Earthworm Jim, but near Crash and Spyro. It probably didn’t take a lot of money to acquire the right for use.


I’d have to agree with the whole DQ thing though. Unfortunately there’s not much more Sora could add that other characters don’t already.

Although Sora could be a unique character in a sense if his combos strings were dependent upon the previous hit. Making chaining attacks a must for his gameplay might be interesting. Summons and form changes might also help assist in diverging his and hero’s gameplay.

However even the DQ hero really is just link and robin mixed together with more spells.
That being said, characters aren’t always 100% completely unique. Even Joker shares some similarities with others.

 

[Sebas22]

youd also need a big key much spiker hair a much clearer personality and to have a nearly entirely different set up of spells as there a lot that either dont have counter parts in KH or work very differently

About that...
- Keyblade, spiky hair: Yes, Hero and Sora are different in design, but overall they fit the RPG protagonist look so they are not really that far away in that aspect.
- Clearer personality: While Sora is usually cheery in his games, that doesn't really mean it will be the same in Smash. I mean, look at Mario. He always has this angry expression on his face. Mario Strikers aside, can you remember another game that has him constanly pissed all the time? I don't.
- Lots of spells: Hero B, Up+B and Forward+B are almost exact versions of Fire, Fira, Firaga, Aero, Aerora, Aeroga, Thunder, Thundara and Thundaga. He also has Cure, Reflect, Slow and Sleep, if you count some of the Command spells and effects. Of course, there a few spells that Sora could use like Blizzard, Gravity, Magnet that Hero don't possess (I think), but c'mon.

Again, I'm not against Sora as a character, but with the addition of Hero, what's the point? Now, Goofy on the other hand, that's the smart pick. An honest shield user, I unironically support!

 

[GoodGrief741]

About that...
- Keyblade, spiky hair: Yes, Hero and Sora are different in design, but overall they fit the RPG protagonist look so they are not really that far away in that aspect.
- Clearer personality: While Sora is usually cheery in his games, that doesn't really mean it will be the same in Smash. I mean, look at Mario. He always has this angry expression on his face. Mario Strikers aside, can you remember another game that has him constanly pissed all the time? I don't.
- Lots of spells: Hero B, Up+B and Forward+B are almost exact versions of Fire, Fira, Firaga, Aero, Aerora, Aeroga, Thunder, Thundara and Thundaga. He also has Cure, Reflect, Slow and Sleep, if you count some of the Command spells and effects. Of course, there a few spells that Sora could use like Blizzard, Gravity, Magnet that Hero don't possess (I think), but c'mon.

Again, I'm not against Sora as a character, but with the addition of Hero, what's the point? Now, Goofy on the other hand, that's the smart pick. An honest shield user, I unironically support!

I don't know if this is a joke comment or if I should actually counterargument this.

 

[Sebas22]

I don't know if this is a joke comment or if I should actually counterargument this.

Take it as you wish, but here's a shorter version: I think both Robin and Hero are enough magic swordsman for now. As in Ultimate.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Take it as you wish, but here's a shorter version: I think both Robin and Hero are enough magic swordsman for now. As in Ultimate.

2 characters fulfilling an archetype isn't nearly enough, especially when there's so much you can do with it.

 

[fogbadge]

About that...
- Keyblade, spiky hair: Yes, Hero and Sora are different in design, but overall they fit the RPG protagonist look so they are not really that far away in that aspect.
- Clearer personality: While Sora is usually cheery in his games, that doesn't really mean it will be the same in Smash. I mean, look at Mario. He always has this angry expression on his face. Mario Strikers aside, can you remember another game that has him constanly pissed all the time? I don't.
- Lots of spells: Hero B, Up+B and Forward+B are almost exact versions of Fire, Fira, Firaga, Aero, Aerora, Aeroga, Thunder, Thundara and Thundaga. He also has Cure, Reflect, Slow and Sleep, if you count some of the Command spells and effects. Of course, there a few spells that Sora could use like Blizzard, Gravity, Magnet that Hero don't possess (I think), but c'mon.

Again, I'm not against Sora as a character, but with the addition of Hero, what's the point? Now, Goofy on the other hand, that's the smart pick. An honest shield user, I unironically support!

mario's personality problems aside theres plenty of ways for sora show his personality, taunts victories, random battle cries
aero does not function in anyway similar and fir appears in many forms not just as a fireball to rule out sora by your logic you might as well ban all rpg characters
also its worth noting that sora has more than just "sword" play and magic you know like the keyblade transformations

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Sora being a video game character or not is off-topic here. As well as anywhere, actually. That's not a question up for debate. If you want to question whether a character from a non-video game franchise should be playable, take to Forum Support instead where it belongs. It is not related to this topic whatsoever.