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Yes, ADHD can do that to you.LOL MK didn't even get 2nd place at the tourny i won. ADHD was to preoccupied in ****** them XD
... *sighs* *repeatedly slams head against wall trying to ignore this* *succeeds with the loss of several brain cells* *continues*Am I the only one that's tired of seeing the finals of EVERY single tournament having MK. How 'bout a little variety...
This is win rofl.... *sighs* *repeatedly slams head against wall trying to ignore this* *succeeds with the loss of several brain cells* *continues*
1. Your not funny.... *sighs* *repeatedly slams head against wall trying to ignore this* *succeeds with the loss of several brain cells* *continues*
Oh God, here it comes.I would like to add my opinion on the Meta Knight situation...
lol. So you think the tierlist is magic that the SBR members cast on your Wii as soon as you read it, making Falcon magically the worst character in the game, and MK the best? I seriously laughed at that part because Falcon and co. are bad even without the tier list.Personally, I HATE the idea of the tier list. As said a hundred times by a hundred different people, all it does it convinces players to overplay certain characters ( meta, snake, marth, falco, d3, GaW) and overly neglect others(Ganon and Jiggs and the captain). That being said, it is obvious that captain falcon is nothing compared to what he was and Meta Knight has the edge and is the best character in the game.
Yes, that's what matchups and the tier list say. It's an information on theorycraft on how certain people think a match would end, respectively how good character X is.This is being said without taking the skill of the ploayers in question into account, but if equally skilled players played eachother, and one was meta knight, he would have the edge in several ways.
What do you mean? lol. Ask Dedede players. If anyone says he thinks MK is a harder matchup than Falco, then you may give me a punch in the face.Characters like Snake and falco are still difficult but nearly as much as Meta.
lol BSIts sad that when you look at tournys, Meta is the only thing you see in the top ten aside from maybe 1 or 2 slots. You dont see a mixed amount of "top tier" characters, just meta.
Diversity is not an argument.Removing him from tourny play would allow for more diversity even though people will still see pretty much only "top tier" characters ranking. It would look similar to this....
Yea, let's throw always the same arguments out over and over again so this discussion becomes an endless loop of cycling discussions ololololI know its already been said but I though I would throw my opinion out there.
Are you Cassandra?but it would become a more interesting metagame without everyone having to worry about facing 12 meta knights in a 16 person tourny.
You're actually probably one of the few people who didn't at the least find it silly.1. Your not funny.
2. It was an imo.
3. Please leave.
Stupidity. It's make what the world go around. Just take a look at these past few pages and look at the pro-ban-side's argument.
Logical observations!
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Do you people finally understand?
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I have another question. And one of my friends calls me stupid for this, but still, I feel the need to ask.
People are willing to support camping.
People are willing to support spaming.
People are willing to support planking.
People are willing to support infinite chain grabs that can turn specific matchups as bad as 10-90.
Question Id like to ask about this...Oh God, here it comes.
lol. So you think the tierlist is magic that the SBR members cast on your Wii as soon as you read it, making Falcon magically the worst character in the game, and MK the best? I seriously laughed at that part because Falcon and co. are bad even without the tier list.
But if you didnt realise, he actually admitted to that...
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It can actually range dependin on your area, but Id say that a realistic number would be 7-9 people that play Mk (not MK mains, just people that play him in tourney because its easy to do so.) which is more or less 50%Yea, let's throw always the same arguments out over and over again so this discussion becomes an endless loop of cycling discussions olololol
Are you Cassandra?
And 12 is 75% of that tournament you name. That's BS, again. A more realistic digit would be 6 MKs in a 16 people tournament.
Hey now...Stupidity. It's make what the world go around. Just take a look at these past few pages and look at the pro-ban-side's argument.
Yes. Instead of 7 Top Tier characters, we'll see 6 Top Tier characters placing, with the one or another High Tier character thrown in.But, does that mean that you accept, understand, and agree with the fact that the game would be more varied without MK?
just asking.
"Infinites are banned for the most part"? Am I to assume you are claiming that infinites are banned at most tournaments? Please name said tournaments.Technially, even though people still do it, Planking is banned in most big tourneys.
infinites are banned for the most part as well.
I'm sorry, did you read the post I quoted (not my quote, the post I quoted)? He had a very specific inquiry.Hey now...
Hey now...
Dont try and throw that crap out here like there arent people who make dumb arguments against the ban too. I throughly admit that there are dumb people that agree with me, but there are an equally proportionate amount of people the argue against the ban as well
Diversity is not the argument, it's the proof for the argument. The argument is that MK invalidates every other character, or at least the majority of them. The truth is, the majority of the characters are already invalidated by the other top tier characters. MK is bad enough to the point that to ban MK and leave the other top tier characters unbanned is hypocrisy.You are completely wrong. Diversity is in fact the entire argument.
It only follows that if stupidity makes the world go round it'll be going round on both sides.Hey now...
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Dont try and throw that crap out here like there arent people who make dumb arguments against the ban too. I throughly admit that there are dumb people that agree with me, but there are an equally proportionate amount of dumb people the argue against the ban as well
Well, improved diversity is the end goal of a character ban. What causes the loss of it are all the attributes people argue over (Is he "broken" enough, can he be "beaten", etc.) but the only thing that shows if it's needed or not is whether enough other characters are used in competitive play.Diversity is not the argument, it's the proof for the argument. The argument is that MK invalidates every other character, or at least the majority of them. The truth is, the majority of the characters are already invalidated by the other top tier characters. MK is bad enough to the point that to ban MK and leave the other top tier characters unbanned is hypocrisy.
Note: I use the term "invalidate" loosely, not to its absolute meaning.
What tourney results? WHOBO? God. Please... How can people still be so dumb?Look at the tourny results, its in no way BS.
lol idiotic assumptions. I utterly suck with Meta Knight. If I were to play him, I would get *****. A lot.I undrstand you would be upset as Im guessing you play MK. so this is an argument that wont end.
There is no High Tier character outside of Marth whose worst matchup is Meta Knight.well, my opinion is more like "boohoo, I dun wanna fight God Tier characters"
There is no High Tier character who is safer to choose when you can be counterpicked than Meta Knight.There is no High Tier character outside of Marth whose worst matchup is Meta Knight.
It's the main point, why else (In this atmosphere) would you ever ban a character except to improve the diversity of the competition?If diversity is main argument for the pro-ban side, then you guys are ****ed.
Thats not my opinion, I dont mind fighting Snake, just MK.well, my opinion is more like "boohoo, I dun wanna fight God Tier characters"
Yes. Meta Knight is safe. But he is - in no case outside of Marth when it comes to viable characters - the best choice. You will have a harder match against, for instance, Dedede if you play Meta Knight than you would have if you played Falco.There is no High Tier character who is safer to choose when you can be counterpicked than Meta Knight.
Its not just WHOBO, and I bet at Genisis, unless people purposfully dont play MK to prove a point, meta will be in the top 10 at least 4 times there as well.What tourney results? WHOBO? God. Please... How can people still be so dumb?
lol idiotic assumptions. I utterly suck with Meta Knight. If I were to play him, I would get *****. A lot.
There is no High Tier character outside of Marth whose worst matchup is Meta Knight.
If you're picking first and your opponent isn't a one hit wonder, you can't choose Falco and know you'll be facing DDD.Yes. Meta Knight is safe. But he is - in no case outside of Marth when it comes to viable characters - the best choice. You will have a harder match against, for instance, Dedede if you play Meta Knight than you would have if you played Falco.
You're trying to create diversity by limiting people's options. Meta Knight's existence does not force people to abandon diversity. People simply choose to because they want the easiest route to victory. This will always happen.It's the main point, why else (In this atmosphere) would you ever ban a character except to improve the diversity of the competition?
Nobody said MK is "easily beaten". "Not being easily beaten" =/= needs a ban.You certainly wouldn't ban one that can get beaten easily just because it's annoying to fight, so there's little other reasons than overcentralization (ie, loss of diversity.)
It's more likeIf diversity is main argument for the pro-ban side, then you guys are ****ed.
lmao! OF COURSE there will be Meta Knights placing. GOD. Do you think that players like Mew2King and Dojo will switch their mains just to please you? Seriously, you must be joking. lolIts not just WHOBO, and I bet at Genisis, unless people purposfully dont play MK to prove a point, meta will be in the top 10 at least 4 times there as well.
Look: what I'm saying is that playing Meta Knight is never the best option a player has when facing an opponent. That is all I want to say. Meta Knight's matchups are never so bad that they're absolutely unwinnable and he ***** them over and over again, so they can't stand a chance at all.If you're picking first and your opponent isn't a one hit wonder, you can't choose Falco and know you'll be facing DDD.
God, I have to quote this. This posting is so awesome... I would main it if it was a character in Brawl and sig it if it wasn't so long. <3You're trying to create diversity by limiting people's options. Meta Knight's existence does not force people to abandon diversity. People simply choose to because they want the easiest route to victory. This will always happen.
We should not ban things because we want to make the game more diverse. We should only ban things if they're actually limiting diversity (severely) by their very nature. Meta Knight's very nature does not limit diversity. Human nature limits diversity.
Why are people whining about diversity instead of trying to do something about it? Why not go out there and try to win as a non-MK character yourself? There are plenty of characters with a relative good chance of winning tournaments which do quite well against Meta Knight.
So it's not really a complaint about having to play as MK to win, it's a complaint about having to face MK in tournaments. People simply do not like it and therefore wish to ban him. I'll tell you this: I hate MK with a passion. I face plenty of them at every tournament I enter, even anime convention tournaments full of casual gamers.
I still do not support the ban.
Other communities just recognize the fact that human nature will always make people flock to characters which have easier routes to victory. If you want diversity, create it yourself.
Nobody said MK is "easily beaten". "Not being easily beaten" =/= needs a ban.
And we're still arguing over-centralization due to popularity. How about you actually prove how unbeateable or at least super-hard-to-beat MK is for once. And not by pulling up tournament results. Use actual arguments based on the metagame, match-up data and video evidence.
"MK took Top 3 at X tournament" doesn't really mean much if WHOBO was attended by the top 3 Meta Knights in the world with the best the competition could muster was "Top 2" of X-character (a few) and "The Best Samus" (pft!).
Did I ask them to change there mains? No, quit putting words in my mouth, it makes you looks way dumber than I ever could. To be honest this argument will never ever end. I highly doubt MK will be banned and frankly its not going to ruin my smashing experience. Im just bored at work and discussing something I enjoy.lmao! OF COURSE there will be Meta Knights placing. GOD. Do you think that players like Mew2King and Dojo will switch their mains just to please you? Seriously, you must be joking. lol
At least 4 times placing in the Top 10. I can't believe it.
God, I have to quote this. This posting is so awesome... I would main it if it was a character in Brawl and sig it if it wasn't so long. <3
But how do you know that by limiting people's options in one aspect, more options won't become available elsewhere?You're trying to create diversity by limiting people's options. Meta Knight's existence does not force people to abandon diversity. People simply choose to because they want the easiest route to victory. This will always happen.
So, then why don't we prevent whatever action human nature does to limit diversity? Like choosing Metaknight?We should not ban things because we want to make the game more diverse. We should only ban things if they're actually limiting diversity (severely) by their very nature. Meta Knight's very nature does not limit diversity. Human nature limits diversity.
Cuz, whining still has a chance of doing something, and more importantly, we don't have to do anything. Its super efficient: although you're getting almost nothing done, you're using up even less effort relative to actually going to tourneys.Why are people whining about diversity instead of trying to do something about it? Why not go out there and try to win as a non-MK character yourself? There are plenty of characters with a relative good chance of winning tournaments which do quite well against Meta Knight.
Yeah, thats pretty true. But why are we being so masochistic about it? I mean, if we do ban him, what do we lose? Our "honor" for being "scrubs" by banning anything that simply doesn't please the majority of the community? I never quite understood what would go wrong if we DID ban him.So it's not really a complaint about having to play as MK to win, it's a complaint about having to face MK in tournaments. People simply do not like it and therefore wish to ban him. I'll tell you this: I hate MK with a passion. I face plenty of them at every tournament I enter, even anime convention tournaments full of casual gamers.
I still do not support the ban.
Other communities just recognize the fact that human nature will always make people flock to characters which have easier routes to victory. If you want diversity, create it yourself.
Yes, because telling people to "intentionally give yourself a worse chance of winning" is so much better.You're trying to create diversity by limiting people's options. Meta Knight's existence does not force people to abandon diversity. People simply choose to because they want the easiest route to victory. This will always happen.
We should not ban things because we want to make the game more diverse. We should only ban things if they're actually limiting diversity (severely) by their very nature. Meta Knight's very nature does not limit diversity. Human nature limits diversity.
Why are people whining about diversity instead of trying to do something about it? Why not go out there and try to win as a non-MK character yourself? There are plenty of characters with a relative good chance of winning tournaments which do quite well against Meta Knight.
Saying that MK places X times in the Top 10 warrants a ban is still very very dumb.
I'd understand it if it was like:
"If MK places at least 8 times in the Top 10 with many of the other characters' top players there". Then, yes, I could imagine taking tournament results into account.
But WHOBO is not a valid argument warranting a ban - if it is for the mere fact that it had 4 out of the 5 best Meta Knight players, and almost none of the top players of other Top/High tier characters.