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way to random easy to counter yes but still something what should actually be thought about imo I don't know how his up smash works is it random or a sweet spot?
For what it’s worth, in smash 4 down and up tilt true combo into ko punch at reasonable percents. Same for Downthrow to side b with game and watch. However hit little Mac once and it disappears and game and watch just has to get lucky so I feel it’s balanced
and they have specific setups, so if little mac has a ko punch ill know to watch out for dtilts. The argument that these setups should be banned is valid (kinda), but not the character entirely
and can't rely on their OHKO moves unless they somehow hacked the TO's console, and if we're going out of our way to ban randomness, why stop at these two? We would also have to ban , , probably , most likely , and more I can't think of right now. In the case of , he has to charge it up to actually get its benefits, and by that time, his opponent is already in kill percents. It really isn't powerful in the slightest and shouldn't even be considered ban worthy, but if you're going to ban the poor guy because of an OHKO move, why stop at him? Why should , , , , , or anyone with a counter or reflector have the right to stay? Yeah, counters and reflectors can OHKO certain fighters.
Don't you mean Flare Blade? The full charge is not a guaranteed 1-hit KO, unless the target is near the edge of a stage. Despite having higher BKB, the full charge's KBG is lower than that of the weaker charge levels, so you'd actually make the KO much sooner if Flare Blade is nearing its full charge state.
Yes, I meant Flare Blade.
From reading Smash Wiki, the fully-charged move does have OHKO power; though a near-fully-charged Flare Blade does indeed have higher knockback growth than a fully-charged Flare Blade, at least in Smash 4, the knockback growth increase of near-fully-charged doesn't fully compensate for the higher base knockback of fully-charged until the target is at around 120% damage.
- The move is stupid, but the character is a joke so he needs something to try and save him from never being used. - If you get hit by his Up+B you got outplayed/read, if used at the wrong time you get a free punish. - Random. - Rest also relies on a good read and if missed you get anything you want in a punish.
Actually both 1 and 2 do hardly have knockback and often give chance to get a free hit on G&W if he hits unless he gets 2 and the 20% chance of tripping comes true, in addition 1 does 12% to G&W whether he hits or misses. Judge is easy to punish if you are lucky.
Still doesn't seem like quite a balanced payoff IMO. Especially with how common the number 9 seemed to be in Smash 4. I swear it was incredibly common there, at least whenever I played as, or against him. It's just not fun.
And all I'm saying is that you are wrong about it...lol
Judge is pretty bad and therefore the effect that it's randomness has on the game is too small too warrant a ban. But that does not change the fact that a random reward/punishment for outplaying the opponent is bad for the competitiveness of the game.
The randomness has a 1/9 chance of outputting a massive reward, and an 8/9 chance of outputing a less than desirable reward. Game and Watch players know the risk involved, and the circumstances around the move do not warrant a ban in any way.
start dominating all tournaments, I say no. Until then keep them unbanned.
Banning balanced / underpowered characters is big yikes. No thanks. Disagree. 1HKOs are hype and do not contribute to any game breaking strats.
I don't Remember off the top of my head of any other characters having a 1 hit K.O move
Judge is anti-competitive. G&W knowing the risks of Judge does not make it's randomness any less anti-competitive. Randomness is always anti-competitive when it can change the outcome of a match.
Only cheap people main characters who spawn items and frankly those people should all be banned from every tournament from now on.
Better ban all the Links, Megaman, Pac-Man, Bowser Jr. and R.O.B.
shhhHHHHHhhhh
Finishing Touch is pretty far from a one-hit kill (usually takes around 50%), and has it's own downsides of doing basically nothing if it doesn't kill and being very punishable on shield.
That's true, but Cloud has no problem stringing moves into a limit break. The only way his limit brea moves become punishable is if he just runs up to the player and hopes they don't use shield.
