Shiek not confirmed in latest CoroCoro

[Chi's Finest]

Ok, I'm trying to concentrate. I can't ge this ****ing pic to show up on BC right. I appologize. The japanses guy cxonfimed that everthing else I translated MYSELF was correct, so please don't doubt us for one wrong piece of info after all we've done for you faithful brawl ppl./

 

[freeman123]

Maybe she turns into Sheik, and then Sheik's down B turns into Tetra.

 

[Black/Light]

Ok, I'm trying to concentrate. I can't ge this ****ing pic to show up on BC right. I appologize. The japanses guy cxonfimed that everthing else I translated MYSELF was correct, so please don't doubt us for one wrong piece of info after all we've done for you faithful brawl ppl./

Sorry but you have lost my "faith" in your site.

Not only did one of your sources make some bs up but you also used crap pics tooken from a low grade cell phone. It took a Japanese member here to actually get a good picture of it and list all the other info on the cards.

But what does it matter. . . I never heard of the site before the Ivy B> so I don't think anyone should care about my "faith" in your site

(Sent this thread's link over to gonintendo)

 

[PwnyRide]

I can only say that I will try to keep up my hopes that Sheik will not return to be playable.
If Zelda needs to "transform" so badly, give her the rapier or the cloaks if you're that desperate, but if she's going to be overshadowed by a god**** costume again only to remain the worst designed character in the game ( besides Ike, I guess ), I will scream.

Unfortunately, the fact that the Light Arrows seem to be her Final Smash doesn't leave much of an alternative.

Hey, you gotta hand it to Ike, he has a killer pair of boots, which is the only reason i'll play him off and on. Yes i'm terribly vain, but i want to look good when im beating someone up.

Which, conveniently brings me to a different point of view. Zelda was clearly one of the best looking characters in the game. Nobody can deny that. Shiek was...more power-ranger, and power rangers went WAY out of fashion at least 13 years ago.

So lets say her transformation is Cloaked Zelda. Not only is that more visually appealing than Shiek..okay it's more visually appealing than Shiek, that's what i'm getting at. Because the first thing you do when you select a character is see how they look (at least this was the case in Melee), whch in turn gets people playing the character. Hell this is the reason why character models even got updated since Melee.

And knowing Sakurai, he would fully well know that 'Black Coats' are still popular among gaming characters to give them a 'cooler' look. From an extremely shallow and more fashion conciece point of view, this is another factor in determining the inclusion of a 'cloaked' Zelda model.

Because the better looking the character, the higher chance people are going to be attracted to it right? and Sakurai WANTS us to be attracted to Brawl.

Of course you can take this view as a grain of salt, but it's certainly something to think about.

 

[kashikomarimashita]

Sorry but you have lost my "faith" in your site.

Not only did one of your sources make some bs up but you also used crap pics tooken from a low grade cell phone. It took a Japanese member here to actually get a good picture of it and list all the other info on the cards.

But what does it matter. . . I never heard of the site before the Ivy B> so I don't think anyone should care about my "faith" in your site

(Sent this thread's link over to gonintendo)

So Chi made a mistake. It happens. Not everyone can verify if a source is reliable or not, especially when never having met the person. Besides he did make an effort to get a hold of me first. But I was busy so I couldnt verify anything, at least not until today.

The guy puts a lot of work in to his site. It wont always be perfect. As with everything you just gotta try your best even if you cant please everyone.

 

[Chi's Finest]

Sorry but you have lost my "faith" in your site.

Not only did one of your sources make some bs up but you also used crap pics tooken from a low grade cell phone. It took a Japanese member here to actually get a good picture of it and list all the other info on the cards.

But what does it matter. . . I never heard of the site before the Ivy B> so I don't think anyone should care about my "faith" in your site

(Sent this thread's link over to gonintendo)

My site gets hundreds of thousands of hits per day. People obviously care about it, alog with the dozens of emails I receieve. We posted all available pictures of this CoroCoro thing, and we were the first place ANYWHERE to reveal last month's CoroCoro. me and Aeris went through a bunch of work translating moves from those crappy images, which were were actually 100% correct on. We translated the japanese text perfectly and converted it to what the American verison of that move would be. Brawl Central gets cited regularly for it's legit info, evn japanese sites were using my site as a source of CoroCoro info yesterday.

Plus, that Japanese member is the same guy that was the source of last month's corocoro info, which he gave to Brawl Central last month, which was one of ther main causes of its popularity man.

It wasn't one of my sources that made some BS. we had nearly every japanese source confirming ONE bit of info that was untrue. Everything else was spot on. kashikomarima****a even gave me some extra exlusive info that he didn't say in this thread to me. he;s a good source and my website is currently the most popular brawl website anywhere on the web, so there's no need to doubt it on 1 piece of mistranslation we had form unaminous sources, when we've already been there to deliver all the previous news which was true anyway. i made sure i didn't spellcheck a lot, so please read this.

 

[Nalafein]

Anyways, i think that Zelda still has a Transformation. It might not be Sheik.. There is a reason why Dojo has not revealed the info about Zeldas Down special.

 

[Black/Light]

So Chi made a mistake. It happens. Not everyone can verify if a source is reliable or not, especially when never having met the person. Besides he did make an effort to get a hold of me first. But I was busy so I couldnt verify anything, at least not until today.

The guy puts a lot of work in to his site. It wont always be perfect. As with everything you just gotta try your best even if you cant please everyone.

I know it was a misstake, I just find the events that lead down to this to be very funny.

It's a site I never checked so maybe the humor in it is only seen by me because of that. IDK, it's just that the "confirmation" of the fake attack seemed to be them jumping the gun abit. The whole Zelda v Sheik debate went on a rampage because of this attack and now all we know is that she has light arrows.

 

[Chi's Finest]

I know it was a misstake, I just find the events that lead down to this to be very funny.

It's a site I never checked so maybe the humor in it is only seen by me because of that. IDK, it's just that the "confirmation" of the fake attack seemed to be them jumping the gun abit. The whole Zelda v Sheik debate went on a rampage because of this attack and now all we know is that she has light arrows.

I only posted that because I had multipe Japanese websites confirming that as a translation. I stated a few updates ago that I wouldn't post any prophets or anything else, unless I had hard enough evidence. It was one litle mishap.

 

[KosukeKGA]

Cloaked Zelda? Puppet Zelda?

The ****?

Are you people serious?

 

[PwnyRide]

Cloaked Zelda? Puppet Zelda?

The ****?

Are you people serious?

Cloaked Zelda, yes, Puppet Zelda no.

Although it is funny imagining -'Watch me possess myself!'

 

[KosukeKGA]

Cloaked Zelda, yes, Puppet Zelda no.

Although it is funny imagining -'Watch me possess myself!'

Sorry, I cannot imagine Cloaked Zelda; the idea just sounds so stupid.

"Oh, watch me as I put this black cloak around me thus enabling me to use different moves!"

It's Sheik.

Like I SAID BEFORE, the Zelda in this game is not TP ZELDA. It's OoT ZELDA but with TP ZELDA'S DESIGN.

 

[PwnyRide]

Sorry, I cannot imagine Cloaked Zelda; the idea just sounds so stupid.

"Oh, watch me as I put this black cloak around me thus enabling me to use different moves!"

It's Sheik.

Like I SAID BEFORE, the Zelda in this game is not TP ZELDA. It's OoT ZELDA but with TP ZELDA'S DESIGN.

'Oh watch me put on a skin tight jumpsuit suit and gender-bend thus allowing me to use different moves!' Which sounds more ridiculous?

and you are oh so wrong about the Zelda being OoT Zelda statement. Provide a decent argument, then ill take you seriously. Since you seem so arrogant and sure of yourself.

 

[Brav3r]

At least we finally got some information about zelda(her final smash)

It sucks that sheik takes zelda down special and leaves her nothing. maybe its set up to where you have to unlock sheik in order to transform. but it still leaves Zelda a little crippled when you first play the game. its probably another reason why zelda never tranformed in those SSE videos.

 

[Soluble Toast]

Sorry, I cannot imagine Cloaked Zelda; the idea just sounds so stupid.

"Oh, watch me as I put this black cloak around me thus enabling me to use different moves!"

It's Sheik.

Like I SAID BEFORE, the Zelda in this game is not TP ZELDA. It's OoT ZELDA but with TP ZELDA'S DESIGN.

I must have missed the moment in OOT when Zelda pulled out a bow and fired a massive light arrow,

 

[KosukeKGA]

Sheik

'Oh watch me put on a skin tight jumpsuit suit and gender-bend thus allowing me to use different moves!' Which sounds more ridiculous?

and you are oh so wrong about the Zelda being OoT Zelda statement. Provide a decent argument, then ill take you seriously. Since you seem so arrogant and sure of yourself.

That involves Zelda's magic, because, you know, she's magical? That's why Sheik's transformation doesn't seem as stupid. I mean, look at ****ing Melee. Come on. Are you saying then, that the plot device of Zelda transforming into Sheik in OoT was ridiculous? I don't see any transforming going on in TP from normal Zelda to "Cloaked Zelda," who is obviously the SAME PERSON WITH JUST A BLACK GARB TACKED ON TO HER.

And it is ****ing OoT Zelda. Look at the **** DOJO.

LINK - The hero of The Legend of Zelda series.
The design of this particular Link comes from The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

Link wields the Master Sword and a diverse arsenal of equipment.
Use all of his weapons to adapt to the ebb and flow of battle.


ZELDA - Just like Link, Zelda’s design has also changed.
She has a slightly more subdued color scheme.

Her movement capabilities are not that good, but her magic adds power to her physical attacks. There’s a reason why her hands and feet glow, after all.

There's your **** argument. Try debunking it now, please.

I must have missed the moment in OOT when Zelda pulled out a bow and fired a massive light arrow,

Thank you for helping me prove my point.

 

[Brav3r]

I must have missed the moment in OOT when Zelda pulled out a bow and fired a massive light arrow,

you're right it never happend, i remember her using some sort of magic beam on ganon. she didn't start using weapons until windwaker i believe.

 

[PriestOfApollo]

you're right it never happend, i remember her using some sort of magic beam on ganon. she didn't start using weapons until windwaker i believe.

Yeah, she used a beam to "hold him in place" or something.

But she did give Link the light arrows....

 

[PwnyRide]

That involves Zelda's magic, because, you know, she's magical? That's why Sheik's transformation doesn't seem as stupid. I mean, look at ****ing Melee. Come on. Are you saying then, that the plot device of Zelda transforming into Sheik in OoT was ridiculous? I don't see any transforming going on in TP from normal Zelda to "Cloaked Zelda," who is obviously the SAME PERSON WITH JUST A BLACK GARB TACKED ON TO HER.

Yeah because we all know that her transformation was the only attack that showed her magical prowess. And no im not saying it was ridiculous in OoT for her to transform, she has a reason to, to hide from Gannondorf and his minions, and she didnt have a moveset around it in OoT. Also the term transforming hasnt been used officially, down b, for all we know may be known as something else. Also caps lock doesnt help you prove a point.

And it is ****ing OoT Zelda. Look at the **** DOJO.

WRONG. This is Super Smash Brawl Zelda, a universal Zelda taking aspects from the most recent in the series as well as a moveset that dervied from Melee (a skillset which did NOT come from OoT, only the names did. For example If you rename Kirby's hammer to mallet, it doesnt change the game it's from), as none of these spells (as in the effects they caused) where used in Ocarina of Time.

LINK - The hero of The Legend of Zelda series.
The design of this particular Link comes from The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

And? His look has been updated. He also uses the Gale Boomerang. Was that in OoT? No, because he is Brawl link, taking aspects from the most recent edition to the Zelda Fanchise.

Link wields the Master Sword and a diverse arsenal of equipment.
Use all of his weapons to adapt to the ebb and flow of battle.


The master sword is also in Twilight Princess, as well as every other Zelda game to date (although it may go under a different name in very early editions). Also does the master sword glow with attacks in OoT? No? You know why? Because he is Brawl link, taking aspects from the most recent edition to the Zelda Fanchise.

ZELDA - Just like Link, Zelda’s design has also changed.
She has a slightly more subdued color scheme.

The same goes for the points i stated about Link.

Her movement capabilities are not that good, but her magic adds power to her physical attacks. There’s a reason why her hands and feet glow, after all.

Do her hands and feet glove in OoT? No? You know why? Because this is Brawl Zelda, not OoT Zeldan and not TP Zelda.

There's your **** argument. Try debunking it now, please.

Consider it debunked.

Thank you for helping me prove my point fail.

My replies are in bold

 

[Soluble Toast]

That involves Zelda's magic, because, you know, she's magical? That's why Sheik's transformation doesn't seem as stupid. I mean, look at ****ing Melee. Come on. Are you saying then, that the plot device of Zelda transforming into Sheik in OoT was ridiculous? I don't see any transforming going on in TP from normal Zelda to "Cloaked Zelda," who is obviously the SAME PERSON WITH JUST A BLACK GARB TACKED ON TO HER.

And it is ****ing OoT Zelda. Look at the **** DOJO.

LINK - The hero of The Legend of Zelda series.
The design of this particular Link comes from The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

Link wields the Master Sword and a diverse arsenal of equipment.
Use all of his weapons to adapt to the ebb and flow of battle.


ZELDA - Just like Link, Zelda’s design has also changed.
She has a slightly more subdued color scheme.

Her movement capabilities are not that good, but her magic adds power to her physical attacks. There’s a reason why her hands and feet glow, after all.

There's your **** argument. Try debunking it now, please.



Thank you for helping me prove my point.

LMAO. What?

You said Zelda is OOT Zelda.
OOT Never used light arrows.
Her final smash is light arrows, from TP.

She's not OOT Zelda.

Logic failure.

 

[KosukeKGA]

Design can mean many different things.

Take it what you will, Sheik is the Down-B.

 

[TheLastHero]

Yep. In my humble opinion, they should have re-worked Zelda completely. Or at least gave her a TP feel. So, instead of Din's Fire, it could be that great big golden orb. Instead of the b neutral I can never remember the name for, it could have been a Triforce appear below her and pillar upwards, still knocking people back and deflecting projectiles by surrounding her, it would basically just have a different "skin".

I expct that it IS Sheik, Sakurai as never been one to stay canonical. I don't rememebr Pikmin ever forming a chain, or JUMPING for that matter. Or a normal Mario being able to throw fireballs. Or Snake without an SMG. Or the Trainer with three starters. Or Fox/Falcon/Ice Climbers with ANY of their attacks. Anybody saying "OMG Shiek wasn't in TP so can't be a transformation" or "She was only in one game and isn't important" etc are obviously wrong.

 

[PwnyRide]

Design can mean many different things.

Take it what you will, Sheik is the Down-B.

Aww, what the matter? Did you get 'debunked'? Backing off now? Did your capital letters and censorship get squished?

 

[ZenJestr]

light arrows were also in WW and she gave Link the arrows in OoT...Melee Zelda used 3 of Link's items...why cant she do the same with her FS?

 

[Soluble Toast]

light arrows were also in WW and she gave Link the arrows in OoT...Melee Zelda used 3 of Link's items...why cant she do the same with her FS?

They're modeled after the light arrows in TP, like Link's attacks.

They're obviously TP inspired

Ughhh. Zelda's Melee attacks WERE NOT THE GODESSES SPELLS. They were simply INSPIRED by the goddesses spells. Notice how Din's fire doesn't cause a dome of fire in Melee? The Goddesses spells were chosen because Zelda had no real attacks to choose from for melee , so Sakurai probably saw the Goddesses spells in OOT. He probably saw that they were magical, Zelda's magical, Zelda being part of the Royal Family has a strong relationship with the Goddesses, viola Zelda has her very own spells inspired by Link's.

 

[Urser]

KosukeKGA, you're just in denial. I'm a BIG Sheik fan, but the fact that this Zelda is based off TP almost confirms the fact that Sheik will be going away.

The Sheik model that was sent into the Brawl team was probably for a normal trophy.

But saying that, I don't think Zelda will posess herself or transform into cloaked Zelda, but I think that there will be a more likely option that the Smash Bros. team decided upon.

 

[Brav3r]

Yep. In my humble opinion, they should have re-worked Zelda completely. Or at least gave her a TP feel. So, instead of Din's Fire, it could be that great big golden orb. Instead of the b neutral I can never remember the name for, it could have been a Triforce appear below her and pillar upwards, still knocking people back and deflecting projectiles by surrounding her, it would basically just have a different "skin".

I expct that it IS Sheik, Sakurai as never been one to stay canonical. I don't rememebr Pikmin ever forming a chain, or JUMPING for that matter. Or a normal Mario being able to throw fireballs. Or Snake without an SMG. Or the Trainer with three starters. Or Fox/Falcon/Ice Climbers with ANY of their attacks. Anybody saying "OMG Shiek wasn't in TP so can't be a transformation" or "She was only in one game and isn't important" etc are obviously wrong.

dont forget about kirby swallowing meta knight and dedede.

 

[Empy]

Zelda kept her old moveset. Sheik was a part of her old moveset.

/thread

 

[KosukeKGA]

Aww, what the matter? Did you get 'debunked'? Backing off now? Did your capital letters and censorship get squished?

Because pwning people on the internet is cool.

Yep. In my humble opinion, they should have re-worked Zelda completely. Or at least gave her a TP feel. So, instead of Din's Fire, it could be that great big golden orb. Instead of the b neutral I can never remember the name for, it could have been a Triforce appear below her and pillar upwards, still knocking people back and deflecting projectiles by surrounding her, it would basically just have a different "skin".

I expct that it IS Sheik, Sakurai as never been one to stay canonical. I don't rememebr Pikmin ever forming a chain, or JUMPING for that matter. Or a normal Mario being able to throw fireballs. Or Snake without an SMG. Or the Trainer with three starters. Or Fox/Falcon/Ice Climbers with ANY of their attacks. Anybody saying "OMG Shiek wasn't in TP so can't be a transformation" or "She was only in one game and isn't important" etc are obviously wrong.

My point exactly. As the above poster said, the same moveset is still kept intact.

But I'm not basing only that off why Sheik is the transformation.

Sheik is in.

 

[Kowz]

Sheiks in! I knows it in meh blood!

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Technically Zelda DID use light arrows in OOT, as she gives them to link, meaning at one point she probably used them herself.

Light arrows arn't unique to TP, Zelda and Light arrows always go together since light arrows were invented pretty much.

If Zelda's down b was confirmed as transformation, we would know sheik was in. If it was another move, we would know sheik was out. What else would CoroCoro be left with doing other than not even mentioning it...

 

[PwnyRide]

I expct that it IS Sheik, Sakurai as never been one to stay canonical. I don't rememebr Pikmin ever forming a chain, or JUMPING for that matter. Or a normal Mario being able to throw fireballs. Or Snake without an SMG. Or the Trainer with three starters. Or Fox/Falcon/Ice Climbers with ANY of their attacks. Anybody saying "OMG Shiek wasn't in TP so can't be a transformation" or "She was only in one game and isn't important" etc are obviously wrong.

Well thats just odd then. I dont remember Shiek using a chain (a badly pixellated one might i add :D) or needles in Ocarina of Time. Hell, he/she/it/potato only threw Deku Nuts, and even THAT wasnt used in Melee (which was a letdown cause Deku Nuts are awesome! Soo happy theyre an item in Brawl!)

 

[balladofwindfishes]

yes it was, it was her up special...

 

[Brav3r]

yeah, the flash she makes when she teleported was from deku nuts

 

[PwnyRide]

yes it was, it was her up special...

I dont see her producing a Deku Nut and throwing it at the floor, and the accompanied blinding flash. Last time i checked (and i was playing OoT today ), Deku nuts didnt cause an incendiary explosion when thrown.

I have the Melee game manual in my hands right now. Shiek's B^ is called 'Vanish', not 'Deku Nut.

 

[Empy]

In fact, they were used in Melee exactly as they were used in OoT and it was the only thing about Sheik not made up for Melee.

Anyway, I don't see why you are all looking at the Zelda series to see if Sheik is in or not. This is Super Smash. In Zelda, Sheik doesn't fight, she just tells Link stuff and plays music with him. In Super Smash, Sheik is a completely new character, with 2 references to the Zelda serie, 1 being the Deku nuts, 2 being the harp she plays in the intro movie. Besides that, Sheik was created for Super Smash. And this is a new Super Smash, not a new Zelda.

 

[Revven]

Technically Zelda DID use light arrows in OOT, as she gives them to link, meaning at one point she probably used them herself.

Light arrows arn't unique to TP, Zelda and Light arrows always go together since light arrows were invented pretty much.

This man speaks the truth about the Light Arrows.

They were in OOT and she had them again in WW and then again in TP. Why would she suddenly know how to use them in WW and TP? Sounds pretty odd unless she'd known how to use them before. That's where OOT comes to mind. You have to remember, OOT is the starting point in the Zelda franchise (at least, considered as such). You'd think for the first Zelda that because she had the light arrows then that she was able to use them and thus, carries on into the other Zelda games.

Seriously, Zelda was able to use Light Arrows in OOT. People just don't want Sheik at all so they try to make the most ridiculous claims to keep her out of Brawl. She's in Brawl, live with it people, just like Ganondorf is in Brawl without any confirmation but from the creator of the Zelda games of recent years, Eiji Aonuma. And you're going to doubt him? Just because he said he sent in 'designs'? They're going to be used, Sakurai asked for them, otherwise what's the purpose in having the designs if you weren't going to use them?

Sheik is in Brawl, end of thread.

 

[krynny]

i agree with falco. brawl is about giving smash fans what they want, and sheik was a huge character. So it can't be proven, but a lot of us still believe sheik is in.

Though, using the same logic, marth would make it too, and we havent seen him yet. so blah. I just believe sheik is still there.

 

[Evil E.]

This man speaks the truth about the Light Arrows.



Seriously, Zelda was able to use Light Arrows in OOT. People just don't want Sheik at all so they try to make the most ridiculous claims to keep her out of Brawl. She's in Brawl, live with it people, just like Ganondorf is in Brawl without any confirmation but from the creator of the Zelda games of recent years, Eiji Aonuma. And you're going to doubt him? Just because he said he sent in 'designs'? They're going to be used, Sakurai asked for them, otherwise what's the purpose in having the designs if you weren't going to use them?

Sheik is in Brawl, end of thread.

lmao.
Quoted for Truth.
LIVE WITH IT!

 

[Natariel]

Thanks a lot..