Sheik has good priority

[saviorslegacy]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=249238
The second thread is this:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=248237


So I was bored, and had about an hour of time to blow.
Instead of working on chain canceling I decided to figure out exactly how good is Sheiks moves.

grab: lol

jab: clinks with Fox's FSmash

f-tilt: clinks with Links Spin Attack
The tip of her foot actually has pretty good range.

d-tilt: clinks with Fox's FSmash
This lower your hurt box some.
DSmash is a better option.

u-tilt: clinks with Fox's FSmash
This has pretty decent range above you.
Good anti air move.

Dash Attack: its hit box it to smalll.
It is wicked fast though.

FSmash: clinks with Links Spin Attack
This attack has REALLY good range. I just figured that out.
If someone goes to attack you, back up a bit (depending on their position) and FSmash. You can attack right through people.

DSmash: clinks with Ike FSmash and Ganons Warlock Punch
Basically DSmash lowers how tall you are and has 5 hit box's.
So it is pretty safe to spam except for the fact that it can be shield grabbed.

USmash: clinks with Links Spin Attack
Short range on either side of you.
Not real safe. Best as a combo ender.
On a side note:
The tipper part of her USmash is a hurt box.

Nair: I was testing by myself so this didn't get done

Dair: I was testing by myself so this didn't get done

Fair: I was testing by myself so this didn't get done

Bair: clinks with Sonic's Fair (from tests months ago)

Uair: I was testing by myself so this didn't get done

Needle's: goes through almost everything (a list will be made later)

Chain: it doesn't clink

Vanish: it doesn't clink




Hmmm.. that only took about 30 minutes.
BTW, this means good things for the Chain Jacket.

 

[Tristan_win]

What I like the most about sheik priority is her uair and utilt

Utilt can beat pretty much all down aerials but disjointed one's and sometimes peaches (although it could be just hitting between her kicks, the same can be done to lucario)

and uair which can beat peaches dair head on among many others.

 

[<π]

dsmash =/= safe way too much lag.

sheik doesn't really have higher priority than the rest of the cast. the big thing is her disjointed attacks. dsmash utilt and some of bair uair dtilt have disjointed hit boxes. So essentially you throw out a hit box that can't be contested in most cases.

utilt clinking with foxes smashes or whatever is kind of neat but will come up very rarely in match and you have way better options over all. like sheild grabbing and other OOS punishment options.

 

[professor mgw]

This isn't one of sheik's strong points.

 

[slickmasterizzy]

i think compared to other characters sheik is more on the low end of the priority list

 

[saviorslegacy]

It's not that she lacks priority it's that she lacks all around range.

 

[-dMT-]

It's not that she lacks priority it's that she lacks all around range.

QFT.

Priority in Brawl is as simple as a measure of disjointedness. Sheik's disjointed hitboxes aren't as reliable since they are small (usually shin - foot only) and thus require tight spacing so as to keep her hurtbox out of range of the opponent's attack. She can't just wave her short disjointed hitboxes around like Marth and MK, she does not have nonsensical andl invisible disjointed hitboxes like Snake.

The argument is that her piority is well above the popular opinion. Surely it isn't something to brag about with Sheik, but it always makes for a good face on the Ike player when u clank their fsmash with Sheik's dsmash. xD

 

[choknater]

i dont care about sheiks priority LOL

she still has the best frame data ever and her attacks will come out faster than anything

just abuse THAT

u guys should try punishing G&W's moves with c-stick down dash attack

sooooooo fast

needle camp -> g&w mis-spaces aerial -> DASH ATTACK!!!

needle camp -> g&w scared of dash attack and blocks -> GRAB!!!

 

[<π]

yeah. most characters just can't do anything when you are throwing something out. dash attack is crazy underused it soo good for punishing. dash grab is crazy good and a strong mix up.

chok is too smart listen to him~

 

[Tristan_win]

I personally don't like using dash attack because how easy it is to get punished when it hits a shield and if used in the low % you can get punished even if it lands.

I don’t know the exact % of when that stops but I think even in the 20’s meta knight can still punish you with a dair before you can do anything.

 

[DanGR]

I thought the clashing properties of grounded "A" attacks were directly related to the amount of damage they did. Is that false? And if it's true, what's the point of this thread?

 

[<π]

it's speed and range are too good to ignore I feel. you cover as much ground as uncharged dacus. I OOS punish tilts and spaced aerials a lot with it. and even more whiffed ones. And it gets then in the air above you where, most of the time, you want them.

No time for what ifs~

you see an opening and you know its yours get it.

 

[choknater]

<3 is right

i only use it if its guaranteed

but u know how like

sometimes mk's think they can play gay and start spamming fairs and nairs thinking they're setting up a brick wall?

there are no brick walls for sheik, dash attack is ilke 6 frames dude

rob lucario mk snake, whoever thinks they have good ground games think again

sheiks dash attack can get through

thats how i think of it

mk's gay play can be penetrated by that move

cuz if they are too far away spamming that stuff they will be hit by needles

if mk starts aerial dair camping, sheiks autocancel or full hop uairs can hit mk in between if he isnt spacing them right

if he IS spacing them right (which means not hitting u, but also not in range of uair)

just charge needles LOL

sheik is soooo **** fast u guyssss

 

[saviorslegacy]

sheik is soooo **** fast u guyssss

Yes I know that. I have said before that our nest defense is our speed.

 

[-dMT-]

Chok. You, sir, are a very wise man. Thank you for that bit of insight xD

 

[Spelt]

I already drop sheild and punish with dash attack against snakes tilts.
i guess i should throw in a grab or usmash here and there.