Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Sean Wheeler]

Yes but that wasn't what I was asking. I was asking how often they actually respond to/answer inquires to Shantae's inclusion in other games. Like I said if we were to ask if she was going to be DLC in Soul Calibur or SFV or something should we actually expect a response? I mean I get that they actively pushed for her in Smash but would they actually respond to those inquiries? Did they ever talk about her as DLC in Smash 4 outside of asking people to rally for her?

Who would even ask for her to be in Soul Calibur or Street Fighter? Sure, Soul Calibur had Link, Heihachi, Spawn and a couple of Star Wars characters as guests, but I doubt people would be asking for her to be in fighting games that are not traditionally crossovers. And Wayforward was really pushing us to vote for her. And why make Smash references in Shantae Half-Genie Hero hinting at her inclusion when she's not playable in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate? Sure, pop-cultural references happen between unrelated works and what seems like a Smash reference could be coincidental. But when Wayforward actually designs eight costume palettes for Shantae for Smash, they'd have to be pushing Nintendo for her inclusion. I doubt a Spirit in the story mode would be enough.

Here's a crazy idea, what if Shantae was the ballot winner all along and Sakurai lied about Bayonetta's victory and decided to save the winner for Ultimate's DLC? I never saw Bayonetta in any fan polls and no one has ever spoke of Bayonetta in the ballot outside of stating "She's too sexy for Smash." And data for Bayonetta was already found in datamining in the patch from a couple weeks after the ballot opened. But I don't know, if that turned out to be true, that could make Sakurai look like a fraud. And that could ruin Smash for everyone.

 

[Hyfiner]

And just like that, Matt has re-lit the flame!
SO LONG AS WE HAVE HOPE, LET US CONTINUE GIVING OUR SUPPORT!!!


Sorry I got a bit excited there!




Here's the thing: from my understanding: no one has truly been planned for DLC yet as they are prioritizing the base game. So that's not truly a point against us. So let's have some faith! :D

I've heard a lot of conflicting points from insiders about the current state of "planned" DLC fighters which is why I'm skeptical. Hopefully you're right and noone has been planned yet so she can have the best chance possible.

 

[GhostStorm]

Let me object you in a calm way

1.there was something that might resemble a KH symbol in sakurai’s room
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2.verge and some other dude said Steve? Was in and @papagenos had a trusted source that said banjo is in so both of them are coming to represent Microsoft as playable fighters. plus phill and sakurai both wanted banjo so yeah

3.there was a lack of xenoblade X content in it so they’re Saving it for Elma and sakurai knows there’s too many fire emblem characters. Also there was no bandana dee spirit except for a regular waddle dee

4. Is my new main I am part of the plant gang now. And you will not escape me from my leafy wrath! Muahahahahaha!!!!!!!

Dice? Nobody symbol? LUXORD CONFIRMED?

 

[zferolie]

I've heard a lot of conflicting points from insiders about the current state of "planned" DLC fighters which is why I'm skeptical. Hopefully you're right and noone has been planned yet so she can have the best chance possible.

I mean supposidly they are still settling the plan for Katalina from granblue or that only very recently settled, so there is a chance they are still making picks

 

[TJKBird]

wait im confused whats going on? is matt messing with us?

Not messing with us just showing support for Shantae in Smash as DLC. Whether he actually believes she can make it or not I think he is just doing it to kind of cheer everyone up after how everyone felt down after yesterday. Also I'm sure he would still love to see support for her despite everything as it only helps future prospects.

Who would even ask for her to be in Soul Calibur or Street Fighter? Sure, Soul Calibur had Link, Heihachi, Spawn and a couple of Star Wars characters as guests, but I doubt people would be asking for her to be in fighting games that are not traditionally crossovers. And Wayforward was really pushing us to vote for her. And why make Smash references in Shantae Half-Genie Hero hinting at her inclusion when she's not playable in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate? Sure, pop-cultural references happen between unrelated works and what seems like a Smash reference could be coincidental. But when Wayforward actually designs eight costume palettes for Shantae for Smash, they'd have to be pushing Nintendo for her inclusion. I doubt a Spirit in the story mode would be enough.

Here's a crazy idea, what if Shantae was the ballot winner all along and Sakurai lied about Bayonetta's victory and decided to save the winner for Ultimate's DLC? I never saw Bayonetta in any fan polls and no one has ever spoke of Bayonetta in the ballot outside of stating "She's too sexy for Smash." And data for Bayonetta was already found in datamining in the patch from a couple weeks after the ballot opened. But I don't know, if that turned out to be true, that could make Sakurai look like a fraud. And that could ruin Smash for everyone.

My point was more that just because they are responding to inquiries about her being DLC doesn't really mean much. I was using these other games as examples for this point although yes Smash is a bit of a different situation considering they have actively pushed for her there. Either way my point is kind of moot after Matt's most recent tweet lol.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I mean supposidly they are still settling the plan for Katalina from granblue or that only very recently settled, so there is a chance they are still making picks

I'd absolutely love a character from Granblue to make in, but I don't know how good her reception would be over all...

 

[MajestyIndigo]

What if it is not a good thing to spread Matt's message and Nintendo would get mad at it ? :o

 

[Hyfiner]

I mean supposidly they are still settling the plan for Katalina from granblue or that only very recently settled, so there is a chance they are still making picks

Despite Granblue's popularity, I'm finding it hard to support them getting a rep. Something about a gacha game of all things being in smash just doesn't sit well with me. Maybe I'm biased but I feel there are better options out there.

 

[zferolie]

I'd absolutely love a character from Granblue to make in, but I don't know how good her reception would be over all...

Despite Granblue's popularity, I'm finding it hard to support them getting a rep. Something about a gacha game of all things being in smash just doesn't sit well with me. Maybe I'm biased but I feel there are better options out there.

Well when I posted the tweet on the ultimate disscussion thread(FWY most people say this means she has noce chance and not happening), people are saying Granblue would be bad due to all the porn it makes on searching the game...

 

[Shadow Novus]

What if it is not a good thing to spread Matt's message and Nintendo would get mad at it ? :o

Matt's been in the gaming industry for a long time. He's not a reckless guy.
If he suspected even for a minute that tweet would somehow harm his and Wayforward's relationship with Nintendo, he wouldn't have posted it.

 

[Shadowknight1]

Despite Granblue's popularity, I'm finding it hard to support them getting a rep. Something about a gacha game of all things being in smash just doesn't sit well with me. Maybe I'm biased but I feel there are better options out there.

Honestly, I never heard of the series until I started seeing the RPG that Platinum is doing on PS4, so that's what I know it from. The more RPG stuff, the better says me.

 

[Sean Wheeler]

Dang, so Matt Bozen is okay with her being just a Spirit? And he's now rallying her for Smash Ultimate DLC? Considering how Rex was relegated to a Mii costume because he couldn't even make it to DLC, which is a hint that the five DLC fighters were already picked out, that doesn't seem like a good sign. Maybe Wayforward wasn't under NDA. Maybe they were quiet because they didn't want to annoy Nintendo.

 

[MajestyIndigo]

Matt's been in the gaming industry for a long time. He's not a reckless guy.
If he suspected even for a minute that tweet would somehow harm his and Wayforward's relationship with Nintendo, he wouldn't have posted it.

You're right ! I shared it on the Shantae reddit page as well as the global smash one ( the latter is under moderation ).

EDIT : well I guess I wasn't the quickest one, nevermind xD

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Well when I posted the tweet on the ultimate disscussion thread(FWY most people say this means she has noce chance and not happening), people are saying Granblue would be bad due to all the porn it makes on searching the game...

Um, well, as much as I'd like a Granblue character to be playable, I'd say that being a spirit would be the best way to go.

 

[zferolie]

Um, well, as much as I'd like a Granblue character to be playable, I'd say that being a spirit would be the best way to go.

Porn searches for a game mean nothing. if it did, pokemon wouldn't be in smash becaused there is a **** ton of porn of it. Same for Sonic, and Samus

 

[Hyfiner]

Honestly, I never heard of the series until I started seeing the RPG that Platinum is doing on PS4, so that's what I know it from. The more RPG stuff, the better says me.

I mean when you put it like that it's not that bad. I'm a huge RPG fan myself so maybe its for the better, even if it is a gacha.

<--- That's why I got my main girl Estelle here in the hopes for more RPG representation for DLC and such.

also Legend of Heroes is a good JRPG you should check it out.

 

[RetroMetalSonic]

Not sure if brought up, but I had a thought. What do you guys think we'll get for beating Classic and All-Star modes? Those modes usually reward you trophies, so are we getting spirits for the main cast?

If so, that blows the whole "spirits can't be fighters" argument right out of the water.

Well, if I'm correct, there is a Spirit type called "Fighter Spirit". I think someone spotted a Meta Ridley Spirit with that label. So unlockable Spirits from Classic and All-Star is a possibility.

So, there's a new Shantae campaign going, huh? Alright, I'm ret-2-go! If we stay determined and spread the word we might just be able to get her in as a DLC fighter!

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Porn searches for a game mean nothing. if it did, pokemon wouldn't be in smash becaused there is a **** ton of porn of it. Same for Sonic, and Samus

No, it's nothing to do with the porn. Maybe I shouldn't have quoted your post. :/

Sorry.

 

[EarlTamm]

Dang, so Matt Bozen is okay with her being just a Spirit? And he's now rallying her for Smash Ultimate DLC? Considering how Rex was relegated to a Mii costume because he couldn't even make it to DLC, which is a hint that the five DLC fighters were already picked out, that doesn't seem like a good sign. Maybe Wayforward wasn't under NDA. Maybe they were quiet because they didn't want to annoy Nintendo.

I think there was still an NDA and there is always the possibility of season 2~

 

[meleebrawler]

Well, if I'm correct, there is a Spirit type called "Fighter Spirit". I think someone spotted a Meta Ridley Spirit with that label. So unlockable Spirits from Classic and All-Star is a possibility.

So, there's a new Shantae campaign going, huh? Alright, I'm ret-2-go! If we stay determined and spread the word we might just be able to get her in as a DLC fighter!

Didn't they say All-Star is just a survival mode akin to Endless Multi-Man Smash now?

 

[RockOfMind]

Well that response was certainly interesting. Pretty crazy to see the silence being broken after this long. People are talking about the DLC being planned already, but honestly it still feels kinda wonky to me. I'm still holding on to my hope for Shantae regardless for the future. Hopefully more and more people are gonna jump on this train with us, and it's gonna be a wild ride for sure.

Remember that a dream really only dies when you let it die.

 

[Mario9919]

I think there was still an NDA and there is always the possibility of season 2~

Maybe he's hyping us for the future DLC?

Would he have to ask Nintendo if he could do that?

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Maybe he's hyping us for the future DLC?

Would he have to ask Nintendo if he could do that?

I'd say so. If he didn't, then he's buggered.

 

[meleebrawler]

I think Matt's hashtag was just a weird way of encouraging the fans to be in for the long haul and not be discouraged if Shantae isn't in the first wave, or even the second and such.

And with her spirit in the game, she'll be much harder to ignore and may win over new fans.

 

[EarlTamm]

Maybe he's hyping us for the future DLC?

Would he have to ask Nintendo if he could do that?

I am not sure...

Anyway, I feel like this change has left us in a good spot. Sure, it likely means there is no plans for Shantae currently, but look at it this way. We are not in assist trophy purgatory, the spirit is more of a positive as it shows that Sakurai knows about the series and has already worked with Wayforward, and unlike many other characters who are now trying to do a DLC campaign, we have the characters creator actually contributing to the campain! We have been played so many good cards for this new direction!

 

[Mario9919]

I am not sure...

Anyway, I feel like this change has left us in a good spot. Sure, it likely means there is no plans for Shantae currently, but look at it this way. We are not in assist trophy purgatory, the spirit is more of a positive as it shows that Sakurai knows about the series and has already worked with Wayforward, and unlike many other characters who are now trying to do a DLC campaign, we have the characters creator actually contributing to the campain! We have been played so many good cards for this new direction!

That's good.

Also it could possible mean they haven't chosen the DLC characters yet. We need to make our voices heard.

 

[zferolie]

Man its great to see the hype jump to extreme levels after just 1 tweet. I feel matt is doing this to help show sakurai the support and live she has

 

[EarlTamm]

So, what do you guys think our game plan should be?

 

[Hyfiner]

So, what do you guys think our game plan should be?

Simply put: Spread the word

The more Shantae is spread/talked about, the more appealing it is to Sakurai to include her as a fighter. Fan Art, tweets, discussions you name it. Basically what we've already been doing but taking it up a notch.

 

[meleebrawler]

Simply put: Spread the word

The more Shantae is spread/talked about, the more appealing it is to Sakurai to include her as a fighter. Fan Art, tweets, discussions you name it. Basically what we've already been doing but taking it up a notch.

Also lay down all the juicy details of Shantae's spirit and the fight attached to it, so that everyone introduced to it can learn about Shantae.

My guess is that it'll be an attack type.

 

[Pakky]

https://twitter.com/MrBozon/status/1058538966096330752?s=19

Wait what's happening?

 

[Deleted member]

Well we have word from on high.
Matt has spoken

Wait what's happening?

We have been drafted to fight for her again

 

[EarlTamm]

Simply put: Spread the word

The more Shantae is spread/talked about, the more appealing it is to Sakurai to include her as a fighter. Fan Art, tweets, discussions you name it. Basically what we've already been doing but taking it up a notch.

I agree, but let's make sure not to do it in a possibly annoying way. Talking about her is good, but only when the situation calls for it. If people just randomly start advertising Shantae in other threads, that will get annoying. Honestly, I think the lot of us should just make sure to have a newcomer supporter life outside of Shantae, and thus spread the good word in a more "Hey, I know and like this user, maybe there is more to his favorite character than I thought" sort of way.

 

[Shinuto]

This is intriguing. https://twitter.com/MrBozon/status/1058538966096330752?s=19

 

[Shinuto]

Welp bad news: she doesn't seemed to be planned DLC? At least that's what I'm assuming.

But good news(and more importantly):now we have a new plan. Matt has raised the flag and now it's up to the soldiers to fight the war.

We must fight for her inclusion with all our might as the spokespeople for Shantae.

Even if we have to wait for the last DLC announcement we will not waver. We will not surrender until the Mashed Potato Samurai says otherwise.
#ShantaeForFourOutOfTheFiveSmashDLCs LETSGETRET2GOOOOOOOOOOOO

for all we know NO DLC characters have yet been picked or discussed by sakurai and his team. just that they have set 5 as the limit so far.

 

[Hyfiner]

I agree, but let's make sure not to do it in a possibly annoying way. Talking about her is good, but only when the situation calls for it. If people just randomly start advertising Shantae in other threads, that will get annoying. Honestly, I think the lot of us should just make sure to have a newcomer supporter life outside of Shantae, and thus spread the good word in a more "Hey, I know and like this user, maybe there is more to his favorite character than I thought" sort of way.

I'm not saying we should follow Waluigi's footsteps but just to be vocal. If we don't let people know that Shantae is wanted then it then she'll have less of a chance in the running.

Then again Ridley and Krool's fan bases were pretty loud and they got in so who knows.

 

[EarlTamm]

I'm not saying we should follow Waluigi's footsteps but just to be vocal. If we don't let people know that Shantae is wanted then it then she'll have less of a chance in the running.

Then again Ridley and Krool's fan bases were pretty loud and they got in so who knows.

I know, just putting it out there. I feel like unlike those other scenarios, the Shantae community actually has an anchor in Matt, so that's good. This thread took it very well after all.

 

[Inoj]

https://twitter.com/MrBozon/status/1058538966096330752?s=19

Hope is kindled.

GONDOR CALLS FOR AID!

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

This tweet makes me think Matt may know there will be a second DLC season... Is that farfetched?

 

[SneakyLink]

This tweet makes me think Matt may know there will be a second DLC season... Is that farfetched?

No, this is Farfetch’d