Say "Fuzzy Pickles." Ness Video/Critique Thread

[Zero May Cry]

Good luck thesage! I will be at work so I won't be able to watch but definitely show those guys the power of Ness!

 

[Bryonato]

My weekly is tonight @ 6pst on www.twitch.tv/bryonato

pm doubles and singles tonight. i'll be sure to go ness in both

 

[thesage]

Well I got 7th out of like 17 people. I probably would've done better if I had a bit more matchup experience against the p:m characters. Charizard and Squirtle threw me for a loop (though Squirle looses to Peach hard XD, Charizard vs. Peach though...). I got somebody to practice with now so I will probably do better next tournament. I just need to get all these new matchups down.

Edit: here are the 2 matches with my Ness.

http://www.twitch.tv/beastmodeny/b/539704594

3:50:47 is for vs. Squirtle
4:07:25 is for vs. Charizard

 

[Akhenderson]

up to date as of today
@ Akhenderson @ SpaceJello
you're twitch archives are dead, were they uploaded anywhere?

Yeah, they weren't uploaded anywhere so that kinda sucks ;_;
I would like to be able to upload them, but they're not my footage and I don't exactly know how to upload them on youtube without doing some weird shenanigans.
Here's yesterday/today's weekly I joined and got 2nd (watch before they become dead'd~): http://www.twitch.tv/jackkenney/b/540961929
Against a Captain Falcon at 5:29:44
Against Pit at 6:40:33 (Don't mind me when I switched to Snake, I was totally free and completely terrible which, afterwards I switched back to Ness.)
Against an amalgamation of characters on Grand Finals (Marth, Fox [mostly Fox], Captain Falcon, Bowser and Mewtwo) at 7:04:34

 

[JTMerrell]

This is the first tournament where I have won against Moist. Pretty proud of myself takin' first place since... I think the second CSTT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32QMpQ-oTms vs Shapular (Mario)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4uHuRCaHCE Vs Moist (Captain Falcon) Winner's Finals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_E4sOxDdp4 vs Shapular (Mr. Game & Watch, Mario) Loser's Finals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhA5Nwdx67E vs Moist (Captain Falcon, Link) Grand Finals Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNj6daeSAnY vs Moist (Falco) Grand Finals Part 2

There was another match I had, but I went Ivy for fun.
Wouldn't mind a little critiquing.

 

[SoggyEagle]

This is our local Ness player, Magic. We had him chair our first 'Hot Seat' where he was basically in an endless boss rush kind of series of sets against our other available players: http://www.twitch.tv/eaglesmash/b/543011334

The entire recording will likely cease to be available until we get things posted onto youtube, but for now, if there are any tips or praises that could be provided to Magic (and he has been watching Calabrel), I'm sure he'd appreciate it.

 

[SpaceJello]

if you like cool technical stuff with ness check out my vids http://www.twitch.tv/vsgc/b/543950095
first match is 2:56:17
seconed match is 3:09:33
third match is 3:52:30
give me some feedback

edit: they've deleted the vod again -___-. i swear they're doing this on purpose

 

[JTMerrell]

Videos from this Tuesday's Tournament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBgTle1oXvE vs Tadeo (Sonic, Falco)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlqaADGWYZc vs Morph (Sheik)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvBN2zoGOt8 vs Moist (Roy, Fox) Winner's Finals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwFXJbMCCF4 vs Quaza (Ike, Ivysaur) Loser's Finals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOBNvP_T4pw vs Moist (Captain Falcon, Falco, Fox) Grand Finals

 

[Bryonato]

aight new vids! Awesome vids of Cazcom and I running double ness!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmCkkYovwg&list=PLQj-8fvwN4uIHAC7F1eYHDG5IaR9pxczE&index=18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l94RACLefyE&list=PLQj-8fvwN4uIHAC7F1eYHDG5IaR9pxczE&index=16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY_kYsJ0IPc&list=PLQj-8fvwN4uIHAC7F1eYHDG5IaR9pxczE&index=14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y82gH4STH-Y&list=PLQj-8fvwN4uIHAC7F1eYHDG5IaR9pxczE&index=13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQzoJbpRFq0&list=PLQj-8fvwN4uIHAC7F1eYHDG5IaR9pxczE&index=12

and now more singles footage
vs. Falco/Peach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDyVCcmm-YU&list=PLQj-8fvwN4uIHAC7F1eYHDG5IaR9pxczE&index=8

vs. Yoshi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBYyc3CK4I&list=PLQj-8fvwN4uJtvSNXy5TJrAsmdod_G234&index=12

 

[Nido]

I've got some new footage and would like to know of some habits that need to be ironed out or play that should be incorporated.

Vs Kirby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdiCHIabqAA&list=UUuzA0Y8Sc0SRHZ0E0R8CsgQ

Vs Roy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMdtRe_fERY&list=UUuzA0Y8Sc0SRHZ0E0R8CsgQ

 

[twinx]

I've got some new footage and would like to know of some habits that need to be ironed out or play that should be incorporated.

Vs Kirby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdiCHIabqAA&list=UUuzA0Y8Sc0SRHZ0E0R8CsgQ

Vs Roy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMdtRe_fERY&list=UUuzA0Y8Sc0SRHZ0E0R8CsgQ

you always opted for the same tech chase option,Dair. either bait a getup attack,and then dair. or,you can wait for the roll and bair/fair. you seem to have real solid play though.

 

[TerraScythe]

Hiya. I've finally got a few videos for any constructive criticism. They're only CPU matches because the competition in Kumamoto is pretty scarce... anyway, if y'all could take a look, it would be much appreciated.

Mario:
http://youtu.be/dKzHUY7uKIQ
Falco:
http://youtu.be/R_sqdsT_cYw

 

[twinx]

^ look into netplay

 

[Bazkip]

Here's one of our best local Ness players wrecking a bunch of people for 50 minutes, figured you guys would like to see it.

Though some of the people he plays against aren't exactly...the best. At least I didn't get completely destroyed >_>

 

[Psi Sig]

Calabrel uploaded some new videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooeCEqJ0JSo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdkV9tjvd34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmk7TaReCJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmw5gz-Lfmo

 

[SpaceJello]

calabrel vids

 

[Bryonato]

i don't like cala's ness :/ (no offense to you cala if you read this lol)

 

[Psi Sig]

Everyone's entitled to there own opinions. Though he definitely one my favorites.

 

[Zero May Cry]

Calabrel's Ness be like:

Magnet Magnet Magnet Magnet Magnet Magnet

He's fun to watch but he kinda overuses magnet in places where other extenders would be better, and more practical.

 

[Psi Sig]

Calabrel's Ness be like:

Magnet Magnet Magnet Magnet Magnet Magnet

He's fun to watch but he kinda overuses magnet in places where other extenders would be better, and more practical.

Yea im a fan of flashy play styles, though it looks like he's toned it way down

 

[SpaceJello]

vids from last tourney. got some pretty good stuff on here but of course the stream stopped working my best set.
http://www.twitch.tv/vsgc/b/548266137
first set vs a mario. its really choppy so id just skip to last game at 10:00. the rest is unwatchable
the second set is on here http://www.twitch.tv/vsgc/b/548275396
and starts at 2:39:16 against falco. def need some help/feedback if any of you can. what do you guys do against spacies besides chain grabs?

 

[choknater]

here's a nice simple combo for yall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biqL66UT8FY&t=27m

got first in two tournaments this week, proud of how i'm doing

though i'm dual maining ness/link atm

 

[SpaceJello]

choknater, in the falco mu you should try to use youre magnet more for the lasers. if you can wavedash out of it reliably its very good for not allowing him to pin you down. that combo was sick af though. im gonna have to try that later

 

[QraQ]

I'll be uploading vids of my Ness soon. Been trying to perfect him for months to finally have an end in sight!
Of course I'll need extensive feedback. I like my playstyle for Ness (light frame SJC all day) but I'm always open to see holes in my play.

@ Bryonato You're the last Idaho Ness I have to play to become Top Idaho Ness =D (for what that's worth! lol)

 

[choknater]

choknater, in the falco mu you should try to use youre magnet more for the lasers. if you can wavedash out of it reliably its very good for not allowing him to pin you down. that combo was sick af though. im gonna have to try that later

i'll try it. normally i just try to jump and avoid them to retain my mobility. will the magnet hitbox hit him out of his approach if he tries to laser -> dair or something?

keep in mind this was tournament, which makes it scare to experiment. maybe if i played a good falco in more friendlies i'll try it out.

quite a few vids of me on that channel btw

 

[SpaceJello]

i would not recommend approaching him with the magnet. its very easy to get hit out of it and trades with alot of ****. when i played him the magnet traded with a d-smash and i was above him . that falco i was playing against in my vidis one of the best pm falco atm so i have alot of practice against good falcos but i still feel like this mu is some bs. the only advice i can give you is knock him off stage and pray to the psi gods that you can get the edge guard

 

[choknater]

no i didn't mean approaching with magnet

i meant if he is approaching with something like laser-dair, will absorbing the laser give us a hitbox good enough to stop his approach?

 

[SpaceJello]

dair comes to quick, so no. but if he lasers and jumps into you going for a grab, then yes.

 

[QraQ]

Here are those vids: [URL]http://youtu.be/jhy5sMsBsQc[/URL]

 

[Bryonato]

YOOO! Qraq your Ness is sick dude!
-I can see that you're experimenting with different movement options and I love that. Your movement is certainly good.
-I see you missing a lot of L-Cancels. Not sure if it was just an off day or whatever but not sure if that's something you think you should work on.
-You opt for DJC uair a LOT vs Fox and while it's a great punish I don't think it's best to default to that move every time. Automatically defaulting to it out of 1 uthrow imo sacrifices a lot of extra % you could get my simply going for another throw. Generally vs. spacies I do uthrow -> uthrow -> djc uair -> uthrow -> djc uair -> djc uair -> uthrow -> bair. Usually good for about 90% and a kill on stages with smaller sides. On stages like Yoshi's something you'll see me/Gmaster/Octorok do is uthrow -> WL -> tech chase regrab.
-That said, I really like your punish game even if your combo options could be a tad better. Seriously, this is really good stuff.

 

[QraQ]

YOOO! Qraq your Ness is sick dude!
-I can see that you're experimenting with different movement options and I love that. Your movement is certainly good.
-I see you missing a lot of L-Cancels. Not sure if it was just an off day or whatever but not sure if that's something you think you should work on.
-You opt for DJC uair a LOT vs Fox and while it's a great punish I don't think it's best to default to that move every time. Automatically defaulting to it out of 1 uthrow imo sacrifices a lot of extra % you could get my simply going for another throw. Generally vs. spacies I do uthrow -> uthrow -> djc uair -> uthrow -> djc uair -> djc uair -> uthrow -> bair. Usually good for about 90% and a kill on stages with smaller sides. On stages like Yoshi's something you'll see me/Gmaster/Octorok do is uthrow -> WL -> tech chase regrab.
-That said, I really like your punish game even if your combo options could be a tad better. Seriously, this is really good stuff.

Yeah my L-cancels are shaky when it comes to DJC. Especially when getting hits or shield pressure timing.
Yeah I was opting into djc uair a lot. I use it as a failsafe to not always understanding the best option. Never thought of grabbing out of the hitstun on uair though. I always just choose to keep the hits going rather than reset that combo.
I still trying to find options for uthrow when they DI onto platforms. So far the only consistent follow-up I've gotten is djc dair onto the platform to a tech chase grab or reverse dsmash, for spacies that is.
I've also recently worked psi-magnet into my platform chase game. I usually rise and ride my head right below the platform, then wait to perform a djc aerial on tech. Thoughts?
I appreciate your input and praise, it helps a lot.

 

[Bryonato]

yeah magnet has a lot of interesting uses on platforms. I'll be updating my adv. technique guide tonight around 7ish. i talk a lot about platform options. check it out!

 

[QraQ]

yeah magnet has a lot of interesting uses on platforms. I'll be updating my adv. technique guide tonight around 7ish. i talk a lot about platform options. check it out!

Where can I find it?

 

[Bryonato]

its on this board lol

 

[Kokomaniac]

In addition, you go for djc aerials a lot once you land a pk fire, which racks damage really nicely and is a great option, but some of those times you could go for an easy grab into back throw kill or at least a set up for an edge guard. This is just a little nitpicky thing haha your tech and djc knowledge is really solid, I would just use fair more

 

[QraQ]

In addition, you go for djc aerials a lot once you land a pk fire, which racks damage really nicely and is a great option, but some of those times you could go for an easy grab into back throw kill or at least a set up for an edge guard. This is just a little nitpicky thing haha your tech and djc knowledge is really solid, I would just use fair more

I know this sounds like a moral high-ground or something but I really don't go for grab kills ever. But I should be setting up grabs more after racking djc hits off early pkf. I just get carried away with the dmg output of djc! Takes a stronger man to resist lol.
Regardless, thanks for the input!

 

[Kokomaniac]

I like how you always go for the more ambitious and difficult to execute option though, lol. I should do that just to further my own skills, I take the safe route too much

 

[Bryonato]

Not a whole lot wrong with the safe route. Look where it has got Awestin

 

[QraQ]

I like how you always go for the more ambitious and difficult to execute option though, lol. I should do that just to further my own skills, I take the safe route too much

Yeah, I constantly try to push the extent of combo games outside of the already registered options, thanks for noticing.
The safe route is the optimal choice when the match is important. Trying these kinds of options more and more during training makes them safer in competition.

 

[SpaceJello]

having some trouble with falco so i uploaded a vid of me playing earlier in the day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcwKUogJTm4&feature=youtu.be can anyone give me some tips on what im doing wrong?