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Samus Is Good
- Thread starter FuLLBLeeD
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Mars-
Smash Champion
Samus is bad.
Can't kill
Thats really all I need to put down.
Can't kill
Thats really all I need to put down.
Julz
Smash Apprentice
People who play against Samus would see her as annoying but are then soon comforted by the fact that they're now at 200% and still alive. In order for most of your moves to KO, the opponent needs to be at around 220% while they only need to KO you at around 100%. Something definitely needs to be done about that lack of KO power before we can claim that she's good.
0RLY
A great conversation filler at bars and parties
Samus is bad. Lurk moar. I would explain why, but I already did like 20 times and I don't feel like explaining it again.
0RLY
A great conversation filler at bars and parties
No, Samus played at her maximum potential barely reaches half the potential of a top tier character.
Coldfront. You do realize that if you say that, that would make you one of those noobs that don't believe in tiers.
Coldfront. You do realize that if you say that, that would make you one of those noobs that don't believe in tiers.
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Smash Hero
Samus is good. It's just that everybody else is just a lot better.
A lot.
A lot.
0RLY
A great conversation filler at bars and parties
Flying Dutchman, for some reason, your sig reminds me of Boxob.
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Smash Hero
It's probably just as awesome as mine.
ADHD
Smash Hero
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Falconv1.0
Smash Master
Are you an idiot or just ignorant.
EDIT:http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=181286
Read that **** and have some knowledge you foolish scrubs. If I see the "She's gud she's just hard 2 lern" bull**** again I'm going to crack someone's head open with a bat.
First of all, I was under the assumption that we could be respectful to each other on these boards. I understand that you don't agree with what I said, but chill out with the disrespect.
That said, I don't see what the big deal is with what I said.
"Samus is bad in the simple sense that it takes more thought and skill with her to get the same results as other characters. That's the bottom line.
I'd just say that she has a higher learning curve, though"
Which is true. Samus vs. MK for example. Samus can KO him at as early as 80% without gimping, if you play it right. Same deal with Snake except he has to be at 100% without gimping. The three issues are getting them to that percent, setting up the positioning, and timing the attack so that it connects, which usually requires good mind games. But, Samus CAN do it. So, if it's possible for her to KO as early as that without gimping, it must be that it's harder for her to pull it off than other characters, which to me suggests she has a higher learning curve than say MK.
I do of course believe in tiers. It's easier to be effective with some characters than others. But you can be effective with Samus, you just have to put in more work and make less mistakes. And that's how I look at it. Looking at the big picture, can she KO as early as 100% on average without gimping? Yes she can. If she absolutely had to wait until 200% to KO without gimping, then I'd agree that she's just bad.
Also, again, please stop with the insults. You don't have to imply I'm a noob or an idiot to make a point, so please keep it respectful.
hmm cant tell. you, on the other hand, are clearly just a jack ***.
You know what the say about people that have to resort to insults in an argument.. -.-
I agree with the learning curve though. I play on wifi frequently using pretty much only Samus. One day I decide to try Snake/Ike (whome I've never used), the amount of matches I won went up to nearly 90%. Why? Any mistake the players would happen to make pretty much equates to a KO from an fsmash.
Had the same mistake occurred when I was using Samus, I would have to then quickly set up something extravagant just to get the KO.
I highly doubt someone who has never used Samus would know how to set up something to get the KO in a similar situation. Now if they used Samus enough this would be more apparent to them but, that right there just proves a form of a "learning curve".
I agree with the learning curve though. I play on wifi frequently using pretty much only Samus. One day I decide to try Snake/Ike (whome I've never used), the amount of matches I won went up to nearly 90%. Why? Any mistake the players would happen to make pretty much equates to a KO from an fsmash.
Had the same mistake occurred when I was using Samus, I would have to then quickly set up something extravagant just to get the KO.
I highly doubt someone who has never used Samus would know how to set up something to get the KO in a similar situation. Now if they used Samus enough this would be more apparent to them but, that right there just proves a form of a "learning curve".
Falconv1.0
Smash Master
God you guys are missing the mother****ing point.
Fox and Falco had arguably one of the steepest learning curves in Melee. It took ****loads more tech skill and practice to do well with Fox and Falco as opposed to other characters.
You Brawl noobs need to understand that we don't say a character is bad because of their learning curve, we say they are bad because THEY ARE BAD.
I posted that link for a reason. They have more knowledge on Samus then most of you guys ever will, and they all have come to the consensus that she has some cool things going for her, that she's fun to play as, BUT SHE ISN'T GOOD.
Fox and Falco had arguably one of the steepest learning curves in Melee. It took ****loads more tech skill and practice to do well with Fox and Falco as opposed to other characters.
You Brawl noobs need to understand that we don't say a character is bad because of their learning curve, we say they are bad because THEY ARE BAD.
I posted that link for a reason. They have more knowledge on Samus then most of you guys ever will, and they all have come to the consensus that she has some cool things going for her, that she's fun to play as, BUT SHE ISN'T GOOD.
Crystanium
Smash Hero
Quick! Someone bring the mop! This guy is leaving a trail of water droplets on the floor!
Falconv1.0
Smash Master
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5098893&postcount=6
^This guy hit the nail on the head. If you actually want to argue this point, learn to play Samus close to Tudor's level, so you can durrrr know wtf you're talking about.
^This guy hit the nail on the head. If you actually want to argue this point, learn to play Samus close to Tudor's level, so you can durrrr know wtf you're talking about.
Crystanium
Smash Hero
Epic fail. Seriously, dude, you've been brought to a new low. You think I don't know that Samus is a bad character? Am I arguing in favor of Samus? I already know that Samus is low-tier, and I haven't been complaining about that since. But I'm not like other people who will moan and groan about how bad their main character is.
By the way, I prefer to play above Tudor's level.
Falconv1.0
Smash Master
Do you think my arguments were aimed at you?
who ARE your arguments aimed at? Coldfront? the guy who is saying it takes more skill and less mistakes to get the same results with samus as it would with metaknight? doesnt that equate to samus < metaknight? no one in this entire thread seems to think samus is an upper tier character. if anything, theyre trying to say she can at least be competitive if worked at hard enough. and they're right. it's not IMPOSSIBLE to win with samus, just harder.
Lord Viper
SS Rank
Hmm. A lot of struggling argument's in the Samus boards are they?
Wow, this community ****ing sucks.
I make a thread to talk about why Samus is a good character, and there is nothing but thread****ting.
Listen kids, Tudor is better than most of you people, and he thinks Samus is good. This community does nothing but flame and whine and makes me happy I never waste any time going to tournaments.
Not that I don't deal with this bull**** in Call of Duty 4, but its not nearly as severe. Jesus people, get a life.
If you don't have to say anything positive to say about Samus get out. This thread isn't for that.
I make a thread to talk about why Samus is a good character, and there is nothing but thread****ting.
Listen kids, Tudor is better than most of you people, and he thinks Samus is good. This community does nothing but flame and whine and makes me happy I never waste any time going to tournaments.
Not that I don't deal with this bull**** in Call of Duty 4, but its not nearly as severe. Jesus people, get a life.
If you don't have to say anything positive to say about Samus get out. This thread isn't for that.
Crystanium
Smash Hero
Everyone is free to think what they want to think. Tudor may think Samus is good (and I agree), but it doesn't mean that any of us are correct.
Mars-
Smash Champion
The community is ****ed up now that all these brawl kids who have 1k posts in a week are actually playing the game.
The melee community mostly don't take this game seriously or went back to melee, because of how the new community is.
Tudor is good, but he isn't winning major tournys now is he? Dire was really good with GaW in melee, but that didn't make GaW a good character. If you fail to see this then you are just denying the truth.
Don't tell people to get a life because they have a different opinion then you, thats childish.
DTP
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Wow. I didn't expect any of this in this type of thread.
I personally think Samus is good, for me anyways, I really like her play style. It suits me very well. I also think she has potential. Not potential to be the best and win every single tournament out there, but to do fairly well in tournaments. This is just what I think though, for all I know I could be completely wrong.
I personally think Samus is good, for me anyways, I really like her play style. It suits me very well. I also think she has potential. Not potential to be the best and win every single tournament out there, but to do fairly well in tournaments. This is just what I think though, for all I know I could be completely wrong.
Lovage 805
Smash Champion
She's a bit underrated, after playing Tudor at Nexus I can see her potential, but she's still a bad character. She can't kill
The guy that insists on being insulting made the point that Melee Falco and Fox are examples of characters having high learning curves because of all the skill required to play them at a high level. That applied to just about every character in melee though, which says that Melee was a game that required more skill in general than Brawl.
And for the record, I don't see how you can call anyone a Brawl noob when the game has only been out since March. Also, I've known about this site since I got my *** handed to me by a Marth in Spring semseter 05, so I also understand quite well how Melee worked. Just because my join date says 08 doesn't mean I just found out about this site recently. I registered because I knew Brawl was gonna be online and wanted to get some friend codes.
Back to the issue though.
Some people don't seem to be able to differentiate between believing that Samus is a candidate for best character in the game, and believing that she isn't bad. I'm well aware of the public opinion of Samus. I hold no delusions that she is the best. But I don't believe she's bad, and some of the reason's I've seen to prove that she's bad aren't actually true, such as always having to wait until 150% on average to KO without gimping.
And for the record, I don't see how you can call anyone a Brawl noob when the game has only been out since March. Also, I've known about this site since I got my *** handed to me by a Marth in Spring semseter 05, so I also understand quite well how Melee worked. Just because my join date says 08 doesn't mean I just found out about this site recently. I registered because I knew Brawl was gonna be online and wanted to get some friend codes.
Back to the issue though.
Some people don't seem to be able to differentiate between believing that Samus is a candidate for best character in the game, and believing that she isn't bad. I'm well aware of the public opinion of Samus. I hold no delusions that she is the best. But I don't believe she's bad, and some of the reason's I've seen to prove that she's bad aren't actually true, such as always having to wait until 150% on average to KO without gimping.
Gum
Smash Journeyman
lol wrong. but wutever, this needs to stop guys. its getting old.
0RLY
A great conversation filler at bars and parties
I was exaggerating in my post. Samus doesn't compare well to higher tier characters. She is by no means trash, just not that good. That does not mean that we are still one big happy family hoping to squeeze as much potential out of her as we can! I realize that we aren't the best community around, but we're all we got. Cmon guys...
They know how to DI Hylian. All I'm doing is using her kill moves near the edge like Marth and Falco do with their Fsmash. Add 30% to that and she KO's from the middle of the stage. As long as Samus isn't having the stage work against her for her KO's she can kill earlier than 150%.
Honestly guys, is there anything wrong with liking your main character and considering them good? We know Samus isn't broke like Snake and Metaknight, and thus isn't high tier, but shes by no means a bad character.
Hell, I main Yoshi. People have been saying he sucks since the beginning of melee.
Hell, I main Yoshi. People have been saying he sucks since the beginning of melee.
0RLY
A great conversation filler at bars and parties
I like my main, but I consider her bad. Play against friends who only use high tiers and you'll get my point.
Rohins
Smash Lord
Samus is bad, she doesn't have a sexy white alternate costume.
Quez256
Smash Journeyman
This is true.Samus is bad, she doesn't have a sexy white alternate costume.
Hive
Smash Lord
So is samus good or bad?
THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME
lol
THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME
lol
Julz
Smash Apprentice
what's FuYu mean?Samus is bad, she doesn't have a sexy white alternate costume.