Samus Discussion

[sman865]

Mixa you are without a doubt the best poster on this entire site.

 

[Cobrevolution]

https://mediacru.sh/RpCdMXYI2zvu - dangerous of me to do this but i think it has potential for fakeouts/covering a second option (ie bair -> ledgecancel -> dair, or bair again as in the video)

@ mixa what do you think of this as a technique?

 

[mixa]

hm, i don't know. i've always liked the concept, but it seems unnecessary most of the time, and it takes some time to set it up
for instance, as fox if you cancel the running animation at the edge, roll back, and slanted short hop towards the edge, you'll always ledge cancel. as much as i like it, idk, it doesn't seem efficient

but bair → ledgecancel → dair seems good if you can combo the hits

 

[_CaKeS_]

Personally I like Samus and think she should be one or two places up the tier list, but that just may be because I can't play Luigi for ****. Someone earlier said Samus' bombs are underrated and I agree 100%, if used correctly they can block off multiple movement paths for your enemy, thus limiting their ground options (sometimes air too), as well as stun them so you can run in for the kill. Aside from being very slow in the air, Samus really isn't as bad as everyone says, in my opinion.

 

[THE_MAAFIA]

Personally I like Samus and think she should be one or two places up the tier list, but that just may be because I can't play Luigi for ****. Someone earlier said Samus' bombs are underrated and I agree 100%, if used correctly they can block off multiple movement paths for your enemy, thus limiting their ground options (sometimes air too), as well as stun them so you can run in for the kill. Aside from being very slow in the air, Samus really isn't as bad as everyone says, in my opinion.

Yea that was me ^-^ it's so useful in my opinion, because if an opponent is over aggressive, they can run into the bomb and get punished, sometimes you can add an F-Smash with it too!

 

[_CaKeS_]

Yea that was me ^-^ it's so useful in my opinion, because if an opponent is over aggressive, they can run into the bomb and get punished, sometimes you can add an F-Smash with it too!

Exactly, it helps with stage presence and can help a lot while on the defensive (though it can help on the offensive too). Like you said, they can be very helpful with catching your opponent off guard by running into them as long as you keep them spread out and only drop one when it won't make you too vulnerable.

Also I've found them pretty useful in movement alone, completely ignoring their offensive abilities. It's well-known that they can be used for extra horizontal recovery, but I mean like simple movements on the field. For example, they can be used for very short hops to minimize time spent in the air, like on Peach's Castle if you're on the moving bricks and jump to the middle (lower/solid) platform, you can use a bomb immediately after jumping to cut off the height and stay tucked up against the ground so you don't stick your head above the upper platform if your opponent was up there trying to hit you with a D-Smash or something.

 

[mixa]

they can run into the bomb and get punished, sometimes you can add an F-Smash with it too!

reminds me of this moment between bata and hitoshio

 

[_CaKeS_]

Haha yeah that's a perfect example of how bombs can help with combos/catch your opponents off guard!

 

[Jouske]

@ sman865

I think important basic knowledge and pattern is...

Fsmash -> Ftilt (need little delay and high angle) -> Jab

These can aim many behavior apart from retain Shield.

If this pattern leads to a bad result or too low return, Samus should search more better behavior.



I think aiming opponent move apart from retain Shield is lowest risk and can expect return constantly.
When I want to get higher return, I guess next opponent move.

 

[Jouske]

I started to SSB64 broadcast on the twitch.
Broadcasting is irregular and short time.
I think it is difficult to watch live because Japan and USA have a time difference.
However, Broadcasting keep a week.
Please watch if you like!

 

[MasterSplinter]

Awesome Can't wait to watch

 

[sman865]

@ Jouske

When you grab, do you ever use R? From your videos it looks like you just use Z+A. Why?

I'm loving the streams!

 

[Jouske]

@ sman865
Thank you for watching!
I think I will try to speak English and speak to Samus next broadcasting in spite of I'm not good at speaking English, for the purpose of English study.
I think I can hardly speak English, please watch again if you like.



I think Z+A is more convenient than R because Z+A can measure the timing with shield.
So I often use Z+A out of habits.

However, I use grab by R, too.
When I want to grab as soon as I can.
For example, edge guard, tech-chasing, aiming to land motion.

However, in spite of these scenes, I use Z+A when I think nothing.
It is not so meaningful. hehe

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

Do you know how to make a thread? You can post every time you start streaming. Then people can get notifications of when you start.

Or you can make an announcement on twitter and someone else can make a thread.

 

[SheerMadness]

Jouske I think it's cool that you post here.

Hope you stick around.

 

[Jouske]

Um... I think announcing my broadcast starting doesn't so make sense.
Even if I announce my broadcast start, no one can watch live because sadly I have a time difference.
Even if someone is able to watch live, SSB battle may doesn't start for a long time or battle may end soon.
I search SSBplayer after starting the broadcast.
I often play with only one player in the 1 broadcast.
Incidentally, Twitch has an alarm function.
What do you think about these?


If necessary thread, I will manage to make this.
Actually, I deleted my twitter account.
Because I can't help but watch this.

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

J-SNAKE makes me want to delete my twitter.

He posts so much.

And I cannot understand him.

 

[Jouske]

haha.
Sorry to I posted unrelated Samus.

 

[Mr Bushido]

couple .gifs

tech chase
http://www.gfycat.com/RightWeirdCoelacanth

à l'improviste reverse dair nair Fsmash
http://www.gfycat.com/AppropriateSparseCamel

the art of followups
http://www.gfycat.com/ClearSnoopyHairstreakbutterfly

a worthy finale
http://www.gfycat.com/InnocentFabulousBoutu

all taken from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xauv40ErFc


また, 良かった @ Jouske はまだここにいる.
君の好きなジョジョ編は? 鉱山は黄金の風だ. ごめん, 僕の日本は悪いです.

 

[Jouske]

@ Mr Bushido
My English is bad, too.

My favorite is section 4 (Diamond is unbreakable).
Because I like Kira Yoshikage.



I watched this movie.
Handling Uair is interesting.
It is effective to decrease the risk.

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

I started to SSB64 broadcast on the twitch.
Broadcasting is irregular and short time.
I think it is difficult to watch live because Japan and USA have a time difference.
However, Broadcasting keep a week.
Please watch if you like!

Very good English practice!

 

[Jouske]

Very good English practice!

I repeated my broadcasting and my English speaking.
It was terrible. haha.
Last broadcast, I wanted to speak spacing against Jigglypuff.
However, it's impossible. Because English is difficuuuuuuult!
I will keep going more,little by little.

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

I will keep going more,little by little.

I could see that the C.Falcon you played today uses a keyboard.

Next time I am in Japan I can give him an adapter for keyboard

Then he can play on N64 console. "Real" SSB!

 

[Cobrevolution]

i noticed that too with his DI...haha

 

[Skrlx]

If I played on a keyboard, would you give me an adapter too?

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

i noticed that too with his DI...haha

I figured it out because he had to crouch before every slow fall down air.

If I played on a keyboard, would you give me an adapter too?

I'm giving them to the non-english speaking regions because they cant understand english directions and there may be export restrictions on the bbb so they might not even be able to buy them

 

[mixa]

non-english speaking regions

check

cant understand directions

check lol

there may be export restrictions

check

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

check
check lol
check

sadly califorina is not a different country yet

 

[Skrlx]

Sweet. I will wait until California drifts off into the sea like they say

 

[mixa]

and if california slides into the oceaaaan
like the mystics and statistics say it will
well i predict this hotel will be standing
until i pay my bills

 

[Jouske]

@ Herbert Von Karajan
I don't know we can contact him...
but, keyboard adapter is needed by some Japanese players.
I think publishing how to make adapter is the most happy for ours.
Is it difficult how much?

 

[mixa]

@ Jouske
I heard you talking about using other characters besides Samus for your broadcast. Is that something you are planning to do?
I think that I and lots of other people would be very interested in seeing that.

 

[Jouske]

@ mixa
I often use Samus only.
However, I use DK in last broadcasting.
Because it was twice in a row for my broadcast to play with same Fox player.
Someone say me "Why do you play with same player anytime?"
(I don't remember correctly sentence. I guessed such meaning.)
So I think viewers are bored with Samus, I used DK.

Generally, I have no plan to use other characters besides Samus.
If someone say "I want you to use some character", I'll use it.
Except for when opponent is really good player and I think I want to use Samus only.

 

[Cobrevolution]

I think the stream meant, "Do you often play the same opponent?"...Last time, you also fought Bakon (I can't spell his name ), yes?

 

[Jouske]

I think the stream meant, "Do you often play the same opponent?"...Last time, you also fought Bakon (I can't spell his name ), yes?

hmm. I see.
I don't often play same opponent.
However, there are times when I play with same opponent by chance.
I often don't make plan.

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

@ Herbert Von Karajan
I don't know we can contact him...
but, keyboard adapter is needed by some Japanese players.
I think publishing how to make adapter is the most happy for ours.
Is it difficult how much?

I am making a new version. It will be very simple and easy to use. I hope to have it finished before I visit Japan again in October / November

 

[Sensei]

It's great that we share some insight with some skilled players from across the world! I'm excited to check out the stream @ Jouske !

 

[Jouske]

I am making a new version. It will be very simple and easy to use. I hope to have it finished before I visit Japan again in October / November

That's excellent.
I'm looking forward to it.

It's great that we share some insight with some skilled players from across the world! I'm excited to check out the stream @ Jouske !

Thank you for watching!

 

[mixa]

while looking for sleep songs

 

[Sedda]

andy mckee is so great