Ryker Mafia 3 Day 4 Deadline 8/21 11:59

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm re-reading the whole game looking at both. Will vote on conclusion.

One thing I will note is I remember Gheb (I think) citing Dietzscum for prodding Soup into an explosion, but Orbo was also doing the exact same thing in his 123.

Looks like I got'd

 

[Raziek]

Have stuff to say regarding setup post flip if kantrips claim is true

/backtosleep

Self-note: Did this get followed up on?

Yes, it did.

Okay so this is what tipped me off yesterday in addition to the nk flip
Ryker imo built redundant roles into the game in order to balance out mass claiming etc. I started the game as neighbors with gorf. Kantrip claimed neighbor in this, and nabe flipped neighborizer. Note that kantrip and gorf did not flip as neighbors, just as town voteblocker etc.
Would like to know if raz started the game as neighbors.
This also means that upon a scary flip we should not use it to incriminate or clear mac based upon the millar claim.
Actual post related stuff now.

Did you gain anything meaningful from this revelation, or just the 'mass claim' point?

I like Dietz's 750.

Well considering you quickhammered and claimed a Miller variant of a PR, a town roleblocker would be crazy not to block you imo.

Oh.

OH.

No further questions for Scary...

More Dietz/Scary disconnect.

This. His results are what's bugging me moreso than his posts

This seems strange. Does his Day 1 & lack of contribution not bother you?

He hasn't done that before though to my knowledge. Like, I can see it moreso from lategame townscary because we've lynched scumscary lategame before and he didnt think along those lines.

This and Scary 789 is a degree of disconnect, but Orbo is giving Scar

Dur da derp
Scary probs scum, rake I wanna say is right about gheb.
Rake is jexy tkwn?? I know you liked his response to your question late d1 but has that held up?

But then the read flips again here. I don't get it.

 

[Raziek]

Okay, done reading.

I still think Scary is scum. He's riding his claim and now that he's no longer the hot topic, has faded into the background again and probably isn't likely to offer reads unless prodded. I also don't recall him really putting forth any reads that he wasn't directly asked for.

If we cannot have Scary today, though, I want Orbo over Dietz.

I don't see Scary/Dietz being SvS due to the disconnects I pointed out.

Scary/Orbo I think is more plausible. Orbo has apparently never really had too much of a problem with Scary's content, and when he was on Scary's wagon earlier, he said it was due to his results, not his content. Once he got a chance, he switched off to Dietz without much reasoning provided. Don't like it.

Going to count up votes before I throw down, but I would much rather have Orbo today if not Scary.

Also, part of my previous post got clipped. This line:

"This and Scary 789 is a degree of disconnect, but Orbo is giving Scar" is supposed to finish with "is giving Scary a pass despite his content, which I think is scummy."

 

[Raziek]

Alright, there are 3 votes on Orbo atm. (Dietz, Rake, Jexs)

I'm cool to vote on that, but that would put him at L-1, so I will hold off for the moment.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Looks like I got'd

I hate you

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Finally someone says what ive been saying on scary. Good **** raz

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm re-reading the whole game looking at both. Will vote on conclusion.

One thing I will note is I remember Gheb (I think) citing Dietzscum for prodding Soup into an explosion, but Orbo was also doing the exact same thing in his 123.

That surely wasn't me.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Don't agree with Raz' excluding the possibility of Dietz / Scary being Scum / Scum at all tbh.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Why raz?

Why not scary mac?

Get the **** out of here with this bull****. This is EXACTLY the kind of **** that gets town absolutely nowhere and it makes you look scummy as hell. I'm not retracting my inactivity point on you because you keep providing blatant non-content.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Hmmm, I think I should reread as well.

The Disconnection Raz pointed out is something I should look at.

 

[Raziek]

Don't agree with Raz' excluding the possibility of Dietz / Scary being Scum / Scum at all tbh.

Why not? Do you think the disconnects I pointed out would be faked as S/S?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Don't agree with Raz' excluding the possibility of Dietz / Scary being Scum / Scum at all tbh.

You were just arguing scarys cleared ness tge kast page -_-. Unless a dietz scum implies scary or vice versa?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Ohhhhh deep. Misread that. Continue on

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Most people would say the most likely scum pool is: Raziek, Orbo and JD
Gheb, Jexs are also in people's lists, but most ppl lean town on them.
We have people split on whether Scary is scum, but he is confirmed tracker.

Now let's take a look at who wants to lynch who:

In the "we wanna lynch JD" category we have: Macman and Red Ryu, both of whom are borderline clear. (Ryu moreso than Mac, but still). And then you have gheb who wants to lynch Raz, but I think JD is his second choice.
In the "we wnna lynch orbo category" we have: Raz and JD, both of whom most people would think is in the most likely scum category. Rake (universal town read) and Jexs, a question mark.

The people who want to lynch JD (ryu and I), are mostly considered town reads. The people who want to lynch orbo are the quesitonable, leanscum player slots (Raz and JD). Even Orbo hasn't said he wants to lynch JD. So what I'm seeing is that of all the likely scum slots, none of them want JD to be lynched today. And I'm thinking we should lynch JD for the sake of not giving scum what they want.

JD also gives us more info than orbo, Raz himself has good disconnection logic between JD and scary. Whereas orbo has had a lot of haters within the likely scum pool (Raz and JD)

No Hetero also wanted a JD lynch. so if you lynch JD, it's like doing something confirmed town wanted. Also, I'm sure it's no coincidence that they died yesterday after saying we should lynch JD going into day. (Also Ryu and I want a JD lynch as well. so that's like 3 confirmed town vs most likely scum + some town leans)

also Rake, while i feel your analysis, you've been wrong about a **** ton of things this game. (still smh at how that Kantrip lynch happened) Since we wnt with your choice yesterday, today do me a solid and lynch JD with me?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

just in case i'm not voting

vote: jdietz

@ ~ Gheb ~ , @JeXs please join me. And gheb, if JD flips scum that give credence to the idea of Raz scum so this is a pathway to getting raz fukked outta here.

 

[Orboknown]

This was the closest to being right, minus the 'scum' and the 'made' part.

I can explain Scary's warped result. It's as a result of my passive ability.

I'm Ryker, Town Mirror.

All non-lethal actions that target me get reflected back at the user. Which would be why Scary ended up tracking himself. That's a janky-*** interaction. Closest I've seen to this role is Nexus, which is random redirection.

Given the roles already flipped/claimed (Neighborizer, RB, Tracker, Miller x2), I'm getting the distinct impression that Ryker designed this set-up SPECIFICALLY to **** with people who try to solve the game using Night actions like he does. He and Alex (Laundry) have always been fond of misinformation roles and red herrings.

This...explains a lot.
As to your question about my na post, it was really for stuff like this and to explain why I was waffly about scary over it. It's not that I ignored his content so much as I didn't get as strong a tell from it as I did his na claim from last night.
I do like your post about him, as I feel it cements a lot of unsaid things towards him.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Most people would say the most likely scum pool is: Raziek, Orbo and JD
Gheb, Jexs are also in people's lists, but most ppl lean town on them.
We have people split on whether Scary is scum, but he is confirmed tracker.

Now let's take a look at who wants to lynch who:

In the "we wanna lynch JD" category we have: Macman and Red Ryu, both of whom are borderline clear. (Ryu moreso than Mac, but still). And then you have gheb who wants to lynch Raz, but I think JD is his second choice.
In the "we wnna lynch orbo category" we have: Raz and JD, both of whom most people would think is in the most likely scum category. Rake (universal town read) and Jexs, a question mark.

The people who want to lynch JD (ryu and I), are mostly considered town reads. The people who want to lynch orbo are the quesitonable, leanscum player slots (Raz and JD). Even Orbo hasn't said he wants to lynch JD. So what I'm seeing is that of all the likely scum slots, none of them want JD to be lynched today. And I'm thinking we should lynch JD for the sake of not giving scum what they want.

JD also gives us more info than orbo, Raz himself has good disconnection logic between JD and scary. Whereas orbo has had a lot of haters within the likely scum pool (Raz and JD)

No Hetero also wanted a JD lynch. so if you lynch JD, it's like doing something confirmed town wanted. Also, I'm sure it's no coincidence that they died yesterday after saying we should lynch JD going into day. (Also Ryu and I want a JD lynch as well. so that's like 3 confirmed town vs most likely scum + some town leans)

also Rake, while i feel your analysis, you've been wrong about a **** ton of things this game. (still smh at how that Kantrip lynch happened) Since we wnt with your choice yesterday, today do me a solid and lynch JD with me?

Except Gheb , you, Jexs and even scary have stated they would go for Orbo and I still find JD townier in his recent stuff than Orbo, I think NH was flat out wrong, I think JD got dragged into the suspicious pool only because of "inactive " and idont even know why beyond that people have said the slot is scumy, he's been more proactive when here than orbo has all game, not only are Orbo's connections worth questioning, but so is his play and his activity this game, the slot is scummier than JD and I know I've been wrong, but kantrip was playing scummy, i tunneled him dumbly but i've looked at orbo 100 ways from sunday from every possible read angle and i know a scum read is where he belongs, we lynch him, then tomorrow POE between the non clears will win town the game. I know i id you a solid but trust me, you said yourself im universally town and I dont want JD lynched over Orbo, I'm not trying to a **** but I really feel strongly this JD push is being done by misguided intentions

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

No Hetero also wanted a JD lynch. so if you lynch JD, it's like doing something confirmed town wanted. Also, I'm sure it's no coincidence that they died yesterday after saying we should lynch JD going into day. (Also Ryu and I want a JD lynch as well. so that's like 3 confirmed town vs most likely scum + some town leans)

Dont even use wifom like this if your buying into scary's crappy result wifom. NH died because marshy. The idea that JD tells his scum team to kill the very dude pushing him is silly

 

[#HBC | Mac]

My logic is more that potential scum don't want a JD lynch, (potential scum being Raz, JD, Orbo and Gheb, but gheb is the only one who'd lean JD) and that we should lynch JD in order to do what scum doesn't want. Townies wanting the lynch is just a bonus.

plus JD gives us more info than orbo.

I agree tho orbo looks terrible but please rake gimme the JD lynch

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Dont even use wifom like this if your buying into scary's crappy result wifom. NH died because marshy. The idea that JD tells his scum team to kill the very dude pushing him is silly

uh it's not at all silly,

yes ofc it's wifom but that doesn't mean you just completely disregard that data. The functional effect of marshy dying was JD getting pushed less which JD would want. as long as the value of marshy dynig > the possibility of town looking at jd negatively cuz of a marshy death, then it would make sense for JD to do it.

anyways, that's just one point for lynching JD amongst a plethora of other reasons

scary's crappy result wifom? what do you mean by that

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

uh it's not at all silly,

yes ofc it's wifom but that doesn't mean you just completely disregard that data. The functional effect of marshy dying was JD getting pushed less which JD would want. as long as the value of marshy dynig > the possibility of town looking at jd negatively cuz of a marshy death, then it would make sense for JD to do it.

anyways, that's just one point for lynching JD amongst a plethora of other reasons

scary's crappy result wifom? what do you mean by that

Raz's claim explaining scary's results, it's been bugging me from scary's end because a scum member telling him to claim that would know how dumb townie it'd look

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Double plus on that is the fact i still dont like scary one bit, I've been forced to be satisfied with orbo who admitadley shoulda been more on my radar as i kinda passed him off all game but i stil hate Scary's slot with a passion

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Ugh i need to take a break. Be back sometime

 

[Orboknown]

What happens when I flip town rake?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

there's nothing to buy into wrt scary's results. He's a tracker and he tracked Raz and he got that weird action because of Raz.

the only way that could be a lie is if Raz and Scary are scum together (which is possible). But i'm not sure why you mentioned scary result "wifom" i don't think it's relevant to what we're talking about? but yea i buy into it because Raz confirms the power.

If we lynch JD and he's scum that points to Scary being town. If he's town, it's almost a fact that Scary is scum.
However if we lynch scary and he's scum, it doesn't really say anything about the other players since how easy the scary lynch was for all of today and yesterday.
If we lynch orbo and he's scum, we don't get much info on whether scary or JD or raz is scum or whether they're just bussing to get them out of the lime light.

JD is just the best lynch from a info perspective

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

if you somehow FLIPPED TOWN i would just play follow the mac and dv jd , then whoever he said next cause scum has to kill scary/ryu leaving me and cleared mac with POE scum and the win for town

 

[#HBC | Mac]

going JD than Orbo is better than Orbo than JD. because JD gives us more info

rake you got your kantrip lynch.... pleeeasseeeee just follow me gawd

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I still disagree, I'll read again and see if there's anything to sway me but I still think Orbo is the better choice today

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Only because scary quickhammered, we coulda lynched Orbo yesterday had scary bothered to do any sort of check on votes before quick-hammering kantrip, and we wouldn't be in this situation

 

[Orboknown]

I can claim whenever.
Theres more than just neighbor

 

[#HBC | Mac]

do you think your claim will save you

 

[Orboknown]

It's more for you guys to analyze. Get all the stuff on the table.
Doesn't make any impact moving forward but *shrug*

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

So what your saying is your caliming to try to maybe save yourself

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i think with the roleblocker and potential tracker on the table. it's unlikely that even if your power is valuable that you'll get NKilled. and even if you do that's probably good for us.

so i'm down with you claiming

 

[Orboknown]

So what your saying is your caliming to try to maybe save yourself

I'm saying you should want every piece of stuff I have to work with, especially since you've stated that you have seesawed on me alot.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Then less talk more claim

 

[Orboknown]

I'm a neighbor doc combo. K could only doc while gorf ( my neighbor) was alive. I docced ra e n1 as he was the most obvtown of the slots there imo.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

wait orbo, did you say you started the game as neighbors?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

ok you did,

@ Raziek , can you answer orbo's question about whether you started the game as neighbors

 

[Orboknown]

Yeah. Pri sure I mentioned in the initial post that I claimed neighbor in.