Ryker Mafia 3 Day 4 Deadline 8/21 11:59

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

mac, the answer is because he's probably scum

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Raz...
Needs to do things. I would be fine with lynchung him. Especially woth his imma donit later and lack of follow up

i know your busy but you did this too essentially


:arcanine:

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Back and catching up. Two tourneys this past weekend and then loads of birthday events and ******** happenings with family. Will get on this.

 

[Orboknown]

you say you think its absurd that kantrip was tryna paint me as scum, but now you're considering the idea of me and scary being svs, why the change of heart?

I didnt like how kantrip tried to do it, as I feel like joey wouldnt connect himself to a scum rb down the line. I don't see what that has to do with you and scary?

 

[Orboknown]

i know your busy but you did this too essentially


:arcanine:

I got to it though. In a somewhat timely fashion. Dont feel raz has done this

 

[#HBC | Mac]

rake, I like that you're voting orbo.

@ JeXs , @Gheb_01, @ #HBC | Red Ryu Please vote either JD or Orbo. One of them should die today, and I'm leaning JD.

@ Raziek , hurry up and tell us who is scum

 

[Orboknown]

Why not scary mac? Quote if youve addressed this

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i don't think he's scum

plus i don't think keeping him alive hurts us much and his presence annoys scum at night and we might actually get some info from him. I think a scary ML right now wouldn't give us much information at all. At least we'd learn something from a ML on you or JD. but I think you guys will flip scum

 

[Orboknown]

You're wrong on at least one of those accounts.
The fact he wasnt shot last night over any other player as a claimed tracker, even with scum apparently having some kind of **** you tracker ability if you believe his claim regardless of alignment, should tell you sonething.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

no it shouldn't

if scum has a **** you tracker ability, why would they bother shooting him?

ok well vote jd with me orbo

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I want Raz caught up first of not he dies.

 

[Orboknown]

Unvote vote dietz
I can live with this

 

[JeXs]

If I had to choose I'd go with orbo just because he's really null but I'd like to keep my vote on raz.

 

[Orboknown]

Null as in you havent gotten any tells from me or null ad in you can see townie and scummy things from me?

 

[JeXs]

No tells from you.

 

[Raziek]

You're gonna have to give me another 15 hours or so.

Robin Williams' death has me in a real ****ty mood, and not one I want to play mafia in. I've read and caught up, will be posting tomorrow around lunchtime probably.

Sorry guys.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

EBWOP: If we determine Scary is noobTown I think I'd like to see him instead today

I'm curious to this. Say you determine that I'm town, noobTown at that. Well that means that I would still be town. What kind of help would lynching me do for the town bro?

@ Raziek
Fair enough, that's hitting me kinda hard too. I really will miss him.

 

[JeXs]

@MOD pls fix it's day 3 not day 4

 

[Orboknown]

I'm curious to this. Say you determine that I'm town, noobTown at that. Well that means that I would still be town. What kind of help would lynching me do for the town bro?

@ Raziek
Fair enough, that's hitting me kinda hard too. I really will miss him.

He means lynching me if he thinks you are tkwn

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

rake, I like that you're voting orbo.

@ JeXs , @Gheb_01, @ #HBC | Red Ryu Please vote either JD or Orbo. One of them should die today, and I'm learning JD.

@ Raziek , hurry up and tell us who's scum

Thatz

rake, I like that you're voting orbo.

@ JeXs , @Gheb_01, @ #HBC | Red Ryu Please vote either JD or Orbo. One of them should die today, and I'm leaning JD.

@ Raziek , hurry up and tell us who is scum

Orbo calling the kettle of inactivity black and jds points resonating strongly. Would have not seen the gheb Toss about And he's been here yet not worked then jd cones in with some good footwork. Really leaning orbo. Plus orbo scum doesn't disconnect from jd and there might be a good connection there.

Orbotoday imo. Im stepping off scary cause i think orbo scum flipped makes scary motherland than what gheb was pushing and by virtue of not seeing orbo trying so hard from a scum pov. Would be easier to lynch someone you know is scum cause you have a scum pov

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Dont get me wrong i still dont like scary and hopefully raz slaps either sense into me for dumb tunneling or helps you guys realize scarys a bad dude.

Def have no issue lynching orbo though cause he's been in My can die pool too many times this game on top of scummy play

 

[Raziek]

@ Raziek what did you and Kantrip talk about? What is your stance on Scary/Orbo/Gheb?

We started the game in a QT as neighbors (non-confirmed alignments, but confirmed identities). I was pretty busy at the start of the game, so there was a period of dead time. I initially got a bit annoyed because Kantrip asked me some mostly pointless questions like, "How confidently can you read me?" and "Who in the playerlist can you read best?", to which I responded a bit abrasively, probing a reaction.

Dude seemed legit like his feelings were hurt a little bit, which I didn't think scum had a point to faking. After I finished catching up on the reading by July 30th, I posted all my reads in thread. He and I briefly discussed the Scary and Orbo pushes. For some reason Kantrip thought Mac may have had a guilty on Orbo, to which I reminded him that Mac replaced Joey, who was the one who made the Informed Miller claim.

Nothing else was said before the lynch wagon swung around at the end of yesterday.

I'll hit those stances in a follow-up post.

 

[Raziek]

Scum could have made scary track himself so that he will have a useless result.

This was the closest to being right, minus the 'scum' and the 'made' part.

I can explain Scary's warped result. It's as a result of my passive ability.

I'm Ryker, Town Mirror.

All non-lethal actions that target me get reflected back at the user. Which would be why Scary ended up tracking himself. That's a janky-ass interaction. Closest I've seen to this role is Nexus, which is random redirection.

Given the roles already flipped/claimed (Neighborizer, RB, Tracker, Miller x2), I'm getting the distinct impression that Ryker designed this set-up SPECIFICALLY to **** with people who try to solve the game using Night actions like he does. He and Alex (Laundry) have always been fond of misinformation roles and red herrings.

 

[JeXs]

I'm also Ryker.

 

[Raziek]

Everyone is Ryker. That's in the OP.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

lol raz... you took that long to reveal that

we could have lynched scary like 5 days ago without knowing that his power is confirmed

feels like the explanation fits too perfectly, and even if true doesn't confirm your alignment whatsoever

anyways, who is scum

 

[Raziek]

Alright, so based on what I read, people are largely on my wagon for inactivity & lack of contribution. I sincerely apologize, as that comes largely as a result of lack of foresight on my part. I've been busy since TWO THURSDAYS ago (the 31st), unfortunately. I worked from the 31st to the 7th, wrote an exam on the 7th, and was gone from the 8th until yesterday for a major tournament in my region. It also didn't help that most of what time I DID have was taken playing the other game I'm in as Murderbush (w/ Ryker). That game took up way more time than I expected it would.

THAT ALL ASIDE, I'll at least get my reads on the table.

Macman - Town. His info has been proven at least partially correct already, and his play has long since redeemed the votes that I was initially scumreading the Joey slot for. Deffo would not lynch.

Red Ryu - Town by play AND claim. I was reading him Town early in the game in my 498. Claim just further cements it.

JeXs - Town lean. Fitting the meta I've seen of his Town play, and none of his thought processes have been abnormal or stuck out to me at all.

Rake - Town. Has been major force in the direction of just about every day. This read hasn't really been given a reason to change since earlier.

Cutting out those Town reads brings my pool down to these 4.

2. JDietz43
11. Scary
12. Orboknown
13. Gheb_01

Of those, I would be most inclined to lynch Scary, still. Given that my role is Town, and we have a 2x Miller claim, I feel like Scary's Role is more likely to be a scum Tracker. Especially with a Town RB in the game. Albeit, this game is janky, but that configuration still doesn't make a lot of sense to me for Scary to be Town. People need to be careful not to be giving the slot a pass just because it wouldn't make sense for Scary to claim a result like that.

If he is scum, Scary has to be playing essentially at the direction of the Town at large ANYWAY, so his co-operation earns no points here.

I'm leaning Town on Gheb at least partially based on his direction. ScumGheb doesn't really have a reason to give Scary credit for how he handled the claim. He could easily stay on the lynch rather than bounce off to pressure inactives like me. Don't see the scum motivation for that.

Going to re-read Orbo/Dietz in more detail, as PoE is leading me towards at least one of the two being scum, most likely w/ Scary.

 

[Raziek]

lol raz... you took that long to reveal that

we could have lynched scary like 5 days ago without knowing that his power is confirmed

feels like the explanation fits too perfectly, and even if true doesn't confirm your alignment whatsoever

anyways, who is scum

I didn't feel the need to throw the claim on the table early in the day phase because:

1) I didn't expect him to be QL'd over it.
2) I still think he's probably scum.

I only brought it out now because of people moving away from that lynch as a result of 'Scum Scary has no reason to claim something like that', when he actually DOES, because that's what really happened. He's not lying, but he's still scum.

I've played with Scary as scum before in F&L2 and got a good feeling for how he plays. His D1 is pretty much the same as it was in that game. Same sort of "Haha, cheesesteaks" non-contribution and just trying to stay under the radar. After he got called out on it D2 though, he's just been trying to ride the waves and cruise by on his claim. He did essentially the same thing in F&L2 after I died, where he just let Marshy run a train on the wrong person and went, "Yes, I agree."

 

[Raziek]

Anyway, commencing that Orbo/Dietz look now.

 

[Raziek]

Gova is my co-mod. Be nice to him because he is far less lazy than I.

Also note that you get one warning with hydras, this is it. Past that I will be using Overswarm's draconian hydra rules (post off hydra and you get modvoted).

This is for everyone to be certain they see it. There are 6 day long day phases. Nights will last only 48 hours. You will be prodded after 48 hours with no contribution.

Also note that everyone's flavor is Ryker.

There is no confirmation phase. Game is live.

Source on the 'Everyone is Ryker', thing, just for Jexs' reference.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm down to lynch Dietz now.

 

[JeXs]

I didn't feel the need to throw the claim on the table early in the day phase because:

1) I didn't expect him to be QL'd over it.
2) I still think he's probably scum.

I only brought it out now because of people moving away from that lynch as a result of 'Scum Scary has no reason to claim something like that', when he actually DOES, because that's what really happened. He's not lying, but he's still scum.

I've played with Scary as scum before in F&L2 and got a good feeling for how he plays. His D1 is pretty much the same as it was in that game. Same sort of "Haha, cheesesteaks" non-contribution and just trying to stay under the radar. After he got called out on it D2 though, he's just been trying to ride the waves and cruise by on his claim. He did essentially the same thing in F&L2 after I died, where he just let Marshy run a train on the wrong person and went, "Yes, I agree."

He almost got lynched lol

 

[#HBC | Mac]

all aboard the jd train

raz, so from your post, you think it's very likely that both jd and orbo are scum, can you put a vote on one? fwiw, I feel you on your scary scum and scummeta stuff, but i still don't think we should lynch him today.

 

[Raziek]

all aboard the jd train

raz, so from your post, you think it's very likely that both jd and orbo are scum, can you put a vote on one? fwiw, I feel you on your scary scum and scummeta stuff, but i still don't think we should lynch him today.

I'm re-reading the whole game looking at both. Will vote on conclusion.

One thing I will note is I remember Gheb (I think) citing Dietzscum for prodding Soup into an explosion, but Orbo was also doing the exact same thing in his 123.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

all aboard the jd train

raz, so from your post, you think it's very likely that both jd and orbo are scum, can you put a vote on one? fwiw, I feel you on your scary scum and scummeta stuff, but i still don't think we should lynch him today.

before I do this I want Raz's stances on Dietz/Orbo

 

[JeXs]

vote: orbo
I prefer orbo over dietz.

 

[Raziek]

so i reread right when Night started and came to the conclusion that orbo is scum and gheb likely his partner

tho it's been over a wk so i don't remember why i thought that

vote: orbo

So, just as I'm reading, you'll probably get to this later...

but what has prompted you to lean towards Dietz over Orbo between the two? Your earlier posts all seemed to be leaning Orbo.

 

[Raziek]

Orbo's page 11 defense of the early votes on his slot is pretty much solely meta.

Still no Dietz at this point, though.

 

[Raziek]

@ Anyone: Is #HBC | Scary = Kary?

No reason for Dietz to ask this if he's scum with Scary.

 

[Raziek]

I made Ryker do a thing!

I'm willing to test that theory.

Vote: Scary

I don't see Dietz/Scary as SvS in this scenario. Dietz had opportunities to move elsewhere.