Rusty Guillotine Mafia | Ovah

[ranmaru]

Some (or most, I skimmed it a bit, I'm leaving right now, brb later) of the points may be dumb, but could you answer the question related to July?

Also, which point or points do you think that GLG twisted were the most scummy? (Meaning that which ones did you think he purposely twisted to get you lynched)

 

[ranmaru]

EBWOP: That post was in reference to J.

 

[#HBC | J]

J’s first post in the thread. His primary objective in this post is too share with us that he is sad that Gheb died. Take this as you will but it is of my personal belief that it is scummy to react to night kills in the "boo hoo" manner

Your opinion. So what if someone were to take that as a town tell? Would you call them scum?

Any reason you only decided to only ask these four players random questions?

I stated why with each person why I questioned them. Each of them I had not played with them/seen them in a while. (KevinM/Ryker to the not played, Gord/Smarg to the not seen) Any specific reason for pointing out these questions?

These two posts stick out really weirdly to me, J’s reacting really strong to the rvs wagon on him(unless this is a joke) because saying you will claim on a wagon made on you within the first fews hour of the game is overly defensive. This second post strikes me as off because J is reminding us of one of the unique mechanics of the game and is making sure we keep this in mind on whether or not we decide to lynch him.

I was reacting strongly? How were my actions not RVS like the wagon on me? Could you not tell the joking attitude and how not serious I was towards it? Was it over-defensive or is this just your personal tunnel-minded opinion? Why is reminding of game mechanics weird or what seems to be that you are implying, scummy?

J majorly tries to appease to Cello’s desire(who is one of the people most people see as town) and is trying to do anything he wants for Cello to be off of J’s back. Also if you don't feel threatened by cello why are you doing anything to get him off your back?

No I was not trying to appease Cello_Marl but I was merely joking with him because he tends to have asked me in previous games for me to vote myself and thus kill myself. In one game he actually got his wish but I didn't think you would be privy to the joke nor did I expect you to get it. I could care less about a Cello on my back especially a Cello in this game. Doing anything to get him off my back? Nope but nice attempt at misconstruing a situation to make me try and seem worse.

I don't like this post because J's trying to discredit Swords because swords isn't helping J out at this moment at time. There would be no reason for a townie to help a person out they think is scum, so I don't see why J is calling out swords for not helping scum.

Oh so because Swords was not liking me I go on him, is that correct? No again and you are wrong yet again. Swords did not specifically say I was scum but put his vote on me in saying "calm down." Whereas telling someone to calm down and vote them at the same time is counter-productive to what he was wanting. Last sentence is weird. But again nice contorting. Or....trying to?

J discredits swords by saying his vote is a contradiction.

Not to discredit but to ask for his logic since it has fallicies behind it. You have harsh diction to try and make me seem worse.

Okay, really? Someone has to be invited into a conversation now?

You skimmed and just picked out this quote to just make myself worse. Why did you not bring up the entire conversation and not just my one post in an entire group of posts? Why not Cello's as well, why not Gord's? Because you have no other set of mind besides J = scum.

I’ve interpreted this post in two ways, one is that you can’t wait til the deadline because then you won’t get lynched, and two is that you think you won’t be lynched after this day phase. And I don’t like that you’re really looking forward to not being lynched.

Two negative interpretations eh? Joking tone but *shrug* Your last line is wrong.

Why did you find it necessary to post that beatstick isn’t in this game?

Please go read again to find your answer. Or ask Gordito because he knows as well.

I really don’t like that you keep saying that you aren’t being aggressive.

Why?

The first part is in reference to me saying that J had a argument with Gord, turned into j saying no it was with cello and then when I said that it turned into one with gord, this is his response.
J doesn’t provide reasoning behind the second point only that “I need help.”

First part is wrong for the second time, seriously go read with a clear head.
You do need help if you are seriously having that train of thought and you are trying again to slander me by saying I just tell people to get help instead of respond to them.

Again, J tries to make sure that towns view is with him and that he isn’t doing anything against town view, as July just stated that I was scum in her opinion.

No, if you were to see the deeper value of things instead of just the surface value you would have seen that it was a trap but I didn't expect you to get it because you take things for surface value and have a tunnel-vision on me that is worse then some I have ever seen.

J if you really want to lynch me why are you showing so much precaution?

*sigh* Really?

Okay, time. Info, not liking July, and I think I had more reasons. Also I believed at the time you were at L-1.

If the question is moot then why asking it? Why ask the question if it wasn’t needed. Also, if you’re going to say to get july’s opinion then that’s not the real reason and you know it because July did just post that she thought I was scum.

What? Also, you need new tricks.

First of all, no. There are several types of good questions, but the type of questions your asking are not good because they're trying to get town to like you and are really just rewording the post above.
Also, “J is scum” is not my only thought, even at the time of my last post I’ve provided other suspects.

Your other suspects were related to me in some way.
So you know the 100% intention of my posts/questions/cases? What about those questions were trying to get the town to like me? Rewording? How? What are some good types of questions? You have not demonstrated any yourself.

What changed from the last time since you mentioned july in your posts that caused you to not like July? IIRC, you provide reasoning that July’s case on me is “opportunistic” but that case was made a long time ago.

July's posts just do not seem like legitamite scum-hunting but seems to be hopping on whom seems to be the best candidate and also seems to be trying to seem like she is the first one on them the hardest with voting them and trying to present a case on them such as a case on you and now the one she has on Smarg who barely wasn't catching any heat. It was opportunistic and what does it being a long time ago have anything to do with it? You brought up quotes from RVS to try and convince people that I am scum and any and all posts are to be held accountable to the person who made them.

Do you really think your vote is best off of no one right now? More importantly, why do these votes suck?

No it belongs on you till you perish. The votes suck because they are so obscured on so many different people and some people are on the wrong wagons and some of the wagons like disgusting with scummy people.

 

[#HBC | J]

I did that with quite some time to spare. *yawn*

Ran, does that answer your response?

 

[ranmaru]

Oh yes, thanks. I didn't know you were responding to all that.

 

[giraffelasergun]

I'm working on a reply to the entirety of J's post but I felt like these two points needed to be responded to quickly.

KevinM, I know self-voting is a scummy act to some ancient players (FF has ripped me a new one for self-hammering and I am never self-hammering again unless it's part of my wincon) however if it's the best action then that is the way to do if Cello will get on track.

Okay, here you tell KevinM why you were self voting. Not only that, but you say self voting is the best thing for you to do right now.

J I voted you because I think you're already scummy. I'm not trying to help you
J, what do you make of Cello right now?

Swords says you were scummy a few posts before the original post I quoted from you, in fact the quote I posted is your reply to him. Swords said you were scummy and then you tell him he should help you. Why should he help you if he thinks you are scum?

Maybe you should read more before you call other people wrong J.

 

[ranmaru]

Hmm, I agree with self voting. J, I don't want to see you self vote yourself at Cello's expense. Tell him to hammer you if he wants it so much.

 

[#HBC | J]

GlG please read that I was talking about Swords initial vote.

Cello/Kevin thing is a joke.

Ran, derp. Quit bringing that up. It's like you're trying to advice dog me.

 

[#HBC | J]

Why do I feel an even more hilarious post coming?

 

[giraffelasergun]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12161054&postcount=61

How is this a reply to his vote?

 

[#HBC | J]

*sigh* The first instance.

 

[ranmaru]

Ran, derp. Quit bringing that up. It's like you're trying to advice dog me.

I brought it up again because I didn't see you respond to it or acknowledge it. Do you think what I say is a dumb idea? Why should I quit bringing it up?

 

[#HBC | J]

It's just repetitive and obvious and seems just bleck all in all.

I don't like it.

 

[giraffelasergun]

J, I get that sword's original vote on you was not because you were scum. However, when you said "you should be trying to help me" he already stated you were scum to him.

I see no reason to unvote you.

 

[ranmaru]

It's just repetitive and obvious and seems just bleck all in all.

I don't like it.

Ok, look at the underline. This refers to the not self voting thing.

So, why did you agree to Self vote at the request of Cello if you say that it is obv that you shouldn't?

I don't like that you are willing to vote yourself and therefore letting scum not have to vote THAT much more... Meaning, instead of 6 people voting you, it's just 5 including you. We need to see intent here bro.

If you know it WHY AGREE TO CELLO'S REQUEST? It angers me that Cello requests such a stupid thing. It doesn't help town at all. If you self vote I'll try to lynch Cello.

 

[#HBC | J]

Ran, you are saying that as if you have a 100% town read on me.

 

[#HBC | J]

Dammit stupid itouch;

Anyways, I wouldn't have self-voted for him. Simple as that, I say it is obcious to say "Don't self-vote, hurr durr."

GLG what is the relevance of pointin that out?

GLG needs to die. Feeling's mutual GLG.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

J posting in white text. Obvious scum is obvious.

 

[#HBC | J]

Ryker can you move to GLG?

Sailor scout buddy ftw?

 

[giraffelasergun]

Dammit stupid itouch;

Anyways, I wouldn't have self-voted for him. Simple as that, I say it is obcious to say "Don't self-vote, hurr durr."

GLG what is the relevance of pointin that out?

GLG needs to die. Feeling's mutual GLG.

If by that you mean that I'm not going to unvote you was to solidify my opinion.
IF you mean the "swords thinks your scum" thing its becasue you said I was wrong for saying swords didn't like you.
If you mean the "cello thing was a joke" is becuase it wasn't a joke and now you're just trying to cover it up.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm not trying to cover up anything...?

Also the relevance in pointing out the entire Swords thing, what relevance does it have to Jscum?

You haven't unvoted me since the brginning of the cop.

 

[July]

I have to admit, J, I'm still really interested in your thoughts on me. You say this

*grabs popcorn*

Oh Ran, because July lynch isn't gonna catch steam toDay.

And infer that you still want to lynch me, you just won't get support; if you think I'm so scummy though, if you think I'm worthy of a lynch, why not at least pursue it? You gave up on my lynch as quickly as you jumped on iy. You've been making jabs at me all Day like this:

Okay, time. Info, not liking July, and I think I had more reasons. Also I believed at the time you were at L-1.

But you just can't get around to building a case on me. This is the closest you've gotten:

July's posts just do not seem like legitamite scum-hunting but seems to be hopping on whom seems to be the best candidate and also seems to be trying to seem like she is the first one on them the hardest with voting them and trying to present a case on them such as a case on you and now the one she has on Smarg who barely wasn't catching any heat. It was opportunistic and what does it being a long time ago have anything to do with it? You brought up quotes from RVS to try and convince people that I am scum and any and all posts are to be held accountable to the person who made them.

And it's pretty damn far from accurate and you also seem quite rushed with it. The fact of the matter is that I found GLG suspicious, I still find GLG suspicious; I found Smargaret suspicious AND flying under the radar, so I voted her, and I still think she's suspicious. You seem a lot more concerned with when my scum-hunting takes place than what I actually say. I stand by those votes and those cases, but you've determined it's nothing more than "hopping" which gives me the feeling you've discredited my cases against them already.

It seems like back when you asked me if I liked your vote on GLG you've already decided I was "scummy", or I could be made to look scummy, and you are just taking your time figuring out why. And I think it's funny that you say my votes have been opportunistic because you putting your vote on me right after Cello was quite an opportunistic move on your part. So why so many little jabs but so little pressure, J? Why have you so heavily avoided making a case against me? Because I'm starting to think that you're worried that if you start the lynch on me, it's going to come back right on you when I flip town, so you've been waiting on someone else to start it.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker can you move to GLG?

Sailor scout buddy ftw?

Can we look harder at Gordito tomorrow?

 

[#HBC | J]

July, I do find you scummy but I need to go and actually make a case on you if I want to get you lynched and I do not have the time to before toNight.

Don't worry, the little jabs will become some heavy-winded blows soon enougj. Not toDay and definetely when I'm not on my itouch.

 

[#HBC | J]

Deal.

As long as we also look at July I'm good.

I get the feeling at least on of July/Gord is scum.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Deal.

As long as we also look at July I'm good.

I get the feeling at least on of July/Gord is scum.

Done.

unvote Vote: GLG

/sisfist

 

[#HBC | J]

BTW Ryker, comment on the J/GLG banter that just happened.

 

[ranmaru]

Ran, you are saying that as if you have a 100% town read on me.

WHAT?! There are 2 scum in this game. NO ONE NO ONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE should self vote themselves.

If you are scum and self vote yourself then thanks for handing us the win.

But this is an interesting angle to look at this situation.

Do you guys think scum would self vote to try and at least only get 4 connections to him? ... That doesn't make sense to me, but I'd still like to hear your thoughts.

I just think if you did self-vote it would be stupid. If you would try to ever mention self voting or self vote at a point in time I would give you negative town points.

 

[July]

July, I do find you scummy but I need to go and actually make a case on you if I want to get you lynched and I do not have the time to before toNight.

Don't worry, the little jabs will become some heavy-winded blows soon enougj. Not toDay and definetely when I'm not on my itouch.

Alright, I'm fine with waiting until toMorrow. And I'm also fine with a GLG lynch.

Unvote
Vote GLG

 

[#HBC | J]

This convo is going no where productive.

Ran, talk about GLG/J dispute. Will you join your fellow sailor scouts to punish GLG in the name of the moon?

 

[July]

@Ran: Self-voting isn't important right now. What are your current thoughts on GLG and J/GLG conversation that just happened?

 

[July]

Ninja'd by J

 

[ranmaru]

Wow I would say July was parroting J if the times of their posts were different. Lol exact same thoughts, eh? Same time too. Interesting.

 

[giraffelasergun]

If I get one more vote I'm going to claim, don't lynch me before then.

 

[#HBC | J]

Answer the questions.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

BTW Ryker, comment on the J/GLG banter that just happened.

In which GLG tries to save himself from the inevitable but fails due because the case was a malformed piece of ****?

 

[ranmaru]

Vote: GLG

Claim now.

 

[#HBC | J]

Ran, answer the questions, now.

 

[#HBC | J]

And Ryker yes, respond to that and input on both sides.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

He had about two points that have been reiterated before and don't hold a candle to the cases on GLG, July, or even Joey (mainly the self-vote thing that IDGaF about either way). Other than that he padded it to look pretty with unnecessary information. He, however has been inactive and tunneling when he's not.