Marthmaster92
Smash Champion
yeah, they'll never see the light.....
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I'm assuming all this is compared to Marth. Note that this is only my OPINION.I was just pointing out one thing. In an attempt to end this topic roy has:
Worse recovery: he falls like a rock after > b
Range is destroyed by sweetspotting at center of blade
faster falling speed - this give roy worse recovery, and he can't fit mant aerials in off the ground
cant SHDF - marth is very good with this, the fair is a beastly move
All moves must be sweetspotted - this is what really turned me off here. All his moves when I play end up having no knockback, and almost no damage.
Worse d tilt = d tilt is marth's great CCC. It fast, good for opponents that run at you, and his best edgeguarder. Roy's sends them straight up, which could set up for an f smash, but that wouldn't work well.
Worse jumping - self explanatory
worse running speed - self explanatory
worse wavedash - self explanatory
can't perform a nair or two fairs off the ledge like marth
slower attacking speed - self explanatory
worse dair spike - marth's dair is one of the best spikes in the game, roy's is almost impossible to spike with.
worse taunt - doesn't matter much
laggier moves - self explanatory
I think that about sums it up.
you fall like a rock, A very big rock.Recovery: But that's why you do more than one > B .
Yes very bad, especially if you're roy, he's light and slow.Range: Is it that bad to get close to your opponent?
So you like to be combo'd to hell? >_>Falling speed - He falls as fast as I would want a character to do. Marth falls alot slower, true, but I dislike him partially because of that.
Short hop double fair.Can't SHDF - Not sure what it is, no comment
You have to get close to them in order to sweet spot it thats the problem.All moves must be sweetspotted - It isn't hard to sweetspot, unless you try to play Roy like Marth.
Because it sucks.Wavedash - Never uses it, no comment.
Marth bas more knock back.Slower attacking speed - But more knockback, tokan gokan.
>_> his lag is very noticable.Laggier moves - I never notice lag with anyone, no comment.
Maybe because everyone noticed that Marth had a Tiara on his head.What i dont understand is why Roy has such die hard fans while marth has none, when clearly Marth > Roy. What is it about Roy that makes ppl like him so much? >_>
What i dont understand is why Roy has such die hard fans while marth has none, when clearly Marth > Roy. What is it about Roy that makes ppl like him so much? >_>
The fourth law of competitive gaming: When a noob sees a cool-looking character that does well in the metagame, that character is labeled "strong." When he sees a weak-looking character that does well in the metagame, that character is labeled as "cheap." When he sees a cool-looking character that isn't very well regarded and doesn't do well in the metagame, that character is labeled as "underappreciated" or "under-recognized."
yes, that is your opinion. and your opinion is wrong. not common for a noob with only 4 posts. and before you say "dont assume i am a noob because i have 4 posts. play me and my friends and we'll own you", the "wavedash-never uses it, no comment" part of your post proves your noobiness. do you even know what a wavedash is?We have seen the light, that's why we are defending him .
I'm assuming all this is compared to Marth. Note that this is only my OPINION.
Recovery: But that's why you do more than one > B .
Range: Is it that bad to get close to your opponent?
Falling speed - He falls as fast as I would want a character to do. Marth falls alot slower, true, but I dislike him partially because of that.
Can't SHDF - Not sure what it is, no comment.
All moves must be sweetspotted - It isn't hard to sweetspot, unless you try to play Roy like Marth.
Worse d tilt - It works well with F smash after d tilt by my own experience.
Jumping - I like Roys' jumping better, mainly because of his falling speed.
Running speed - Hmm.. I might agree with you on this one .
Wavedash - Never uses it, no comment.
Can't perform a nair or two fairs off the ledge - For edgeguarding? Flare blade is better for that.
Slower attacking speed - But more knockback, tokan gokan.
Worse dair spike - Works fine without sweetspot (but it doesn't spike then of course.)
Worse taunt - Doesn't matter, as you said.
Laggier moves - I never notice lag with anyone, no comment.
Now what makes this so wonderful is, he left his name. like true man. but he is wrong at the same timethis site is not just for tourneys-snipertango
Why are people still discussing? The thread already ended with this postHowever, you won't see a Roy winning a pro tournament.
People need to learn how the tier list works. In a race, a cyclist may be able beat a car driven by a 2-year-old. A 5-year-old on a tricycle will probably beat another 5-year-old in a car. However, you won't see any bicycles or tricycles winning international car races. Just because a Roy beat a Marth somewhere or a Roy came out on top at a local tourney doesn't mean that the tier list is wrong or that it doesn't exist. Until you can go to a tournament comparable to MLG/FC/0C2/etc. and win with Roy or at least beat a few pros who are using top/high/mid tier characters, Roy will remain at low tier.
I think this also factors in as well:
The fourth law of competitive gaming: When a noob sees a cool-looking character that does well in the metagame, that character is labeled "strong." When he sees a weak-looking character that does well in the metagame, that character is labeled as "cheap." When he sees a cool-looking character that isn't very well regarded and doesn't do well in the metagame, that character is labeled as "underappreciated" or "under-recognized."
Clearly not, if you'd seen the light you'd know Marth was better.We have seen the light, that's why we are defending him .
But... but... why?Falling speed - He falls as fast as I would want a character to do. Marth falls alot slower, true, but I dislike him partially because of that.
Because alot of people are going to let you just d-tilt => Fmash them... sure......Worse d tilt - It works well with F smash after d tilt by my own experience.
Why wouldn't you use it??Wavedash - Never uses it, no comment.
No it isn't, two fairs with Marth allows you to put your opponent further from the stage, and Flare Blade well... it just isn't that great of a move.Can't perform a nair or two fairs off the ledge - For edgeguarding? Flare blade is better for that.
Do you have your eyes closed while playing?Laggier moves - I never notice lag with anyone, no comment.
But what about t3h litezor Counter?However, Roy does outshine Marth in one aspect--his faster falling speed allows for quicker SHFFLs, although you still can't combo as well as Marth and Roy's aerials aren't as good.
Counter isn't big enough of a factor in competitive play. You might as well say Roy's fully charged B is stronger than Marth's fully charged B. You might see it once in a while, but it virtually never happens.But what about t3h litezor Counter?
@ McScruff:
Wow. So having less posts means you're a noob? Wow... just wow.
This is crazy.We have seen the light, that's why we are defending him .
I'm assuming all this is compared to Marth. Note that this is only my OPINION.
Recovery: But that's why you do more than one > B .
Range: Is it that bad to get close to your opponent?
Falling speed - He falls as fast as I would want a character to do. Marth falls alot slower, true, but I dislike him partially because of that.
Can't SHDF - Not sure what it is, no comment.
All moves must be sweetspotted - It isn't hard to sweetspot, unless you try to play Roy like Marth.
Worse d tilt - It works well with F smash after d tilt by my own experience.
Jumping - I like Roys' jumping better, mainly because of his falling speed.
Running speed - Hmm.. I might agree with you on this one .
Wavedash - Never uses it, no comment.
Can't perform a nair or two fairs off the ledge - For edgeguarding? Flare blade is better for that.
Slower attacking speed - But more knockback, tokan gokan.
Worse dair spike - Works fine without sweetspot (but it doesn't spike then of course.)
Worse taunt - Doesn't matter, as you said.
Laggier moves - I never notice lag with anyone, no comment.
It was a joke...Counter isn't big enough of a factor in competitive play. You might as well say Roy's fully charged B is stronger than Marth's fully charged B. You might see it once in a while, but it virtually never happens.
An opinion can't be wrong, since that is only what it is, an opinion.yes, that is your opinion. and your opinion is wrong. not common for a noob with only 4 posts. and before you say "dont assume i am a noob because i have 4 posts. play me and my friends and we'll own you", the "wavedash-never uses it, no comment" part of your post proves your noobiness. do you even know what a wavedash is?
*jumps* Weeeee! Can I get down now?? No?! **** gravity and my ridicusly slow falling speed! - Marth scenario.Wikipedia]An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. It is an assessment said:But... but... why?[/COLOR]
No, but that's why you get good, so you can do it anyway .Because alot of people are going to let you just d-tilt => Fmash them... sure......
Simply because I don't like it that much.Why wouldn't you use it??
Not longer than a fully charged FB . It's possible if it's a 1-on-1 since no one else will be disturbing the charge(and the opponent off the stage).No it isn't, two fairs with Marth allows you to put your opponent further from the stage, and Flare Blade well... it just isn't that great of a move.
No, but I'm not thinking "OMG I falled down, now I jave xx frames of lagg!11!1 I'm DOOOOmed." Not saying that you do.. I just play and let it flow, if I would be thinking about all the lag I wouldn't have time to actually play.Do you have your eyes closed while playing?
Very crazy, but fun.This is crazy.
Recovery: what I mean is after > b, he falls a lot, where as marth does not, giving him a much worse recovery.
Range: You don't get it. His range is cut in half due to the sweetspot, making it about as long as y. link's.
Falling speed: his relatively fast falling speed handy caps him, because he can't fit many aerials into a jump, and he has much worse recovery.
SHDF (short hop double fair) is a great ability. Roy can't do it.
Sweetspotting: with marth you never have to worry about sweetspotting, with roy you do.
d tilt: It's much worse. Marth's is one of the best d tilt's/edgeguarder in the game. Also, a great CCC.
Jumping: How?
Running speed: Even you agreed.
WD: never uses it?
Can't perform nair or 2 fairs off ledge - edgeguarding? What? Im talking about ledge hopped aerials coming on the ledge.
slower attacking speed: doesn't really have more knockback
worse dair spike: NEO and Azen have both stated it's useless.
Worse Taunt: no comment
Laggier moves: they are laggy.
Why did you even challenge me? I was right, the thread ended right there.
you are a noob, you said it yourself. also, since you dont care about lag....lemme guess, you don't l-cancel?An opinion can't be wrong, since that is only what it is, an opinion.
So I must be a n00b just because I have 4 posts? lol... I'm a newb in that case, if you got to call me something.
I know what WD is, and how to do it, and I can do it, but I don't like it that much. Not everyone uses it y'know.
I only have 4 posts because I only post to defend Roy. This is the only Forum-part I visit.
*jumps* Weeeee! Can I get down now?? No?! **** gravity and my ridicusly slow falling speed! - Marth scenario.
*jumps*Hah! Eat this! *lands, kills(hopefully )*- Roy scenario
No, but that's why you get good, so you can do it anyway .
Simply because I don't like it that much.
Not longer than a fully charged FB . It's possible if it's a 1-on-1 since no one else will be disturbing the charge(and the opponent off the stage).
No, but I'm not thinking "OMG I falled down, now I jave xx frames of lagg!11!1 I'm DOOOOmed." Not saying that you do.. I just play and let it flow, if I would be thinking about all the lag I wouldn't have time to actually play.
Very crazy, but fun.
Recovery: If you do it repeatedly you won't fall alot. I don't know how you define "alot" in this case, but it isn't alot to me.
Range: Yeah it's shorter, but I'm not having any problems with it.
Falling speed: Roy isn't very good in the air, but that's why you keep him to the ground.
SHDF (short hop double fair): Same here, Roy is a more ground based character.
Sweetspotting: Not if you always try to get close. Banzai!
d tilt: It's much worse. Marth's is one of the best d tilt's/edgeguarder in the game. Also, a great CCC.
Jumping: Se example above.
WD: Yep.
Can't perform nair or 2 fairs off ledge - Marth=Good in the air Roy= Not so good in the air, keep him to the ground more.
Slower attacking speed: It really do seems like it when I play. It feels like it anyway, and it's enough for me.
Worse dair spike: NEO and/Azen have both stated it's useless.
Laggier moves: But I concentrate on playing, not thinking of lag.
Why did I even challenge you: Because Roy has a right to an lawyer .
Most good players do though, its pros outweigh any cons.I know what WD is, and how to do it, and I can do it, but I don't like it that much. Not everyone uses it y'know.
Not much worth defending, as fun as he is. He is helpless when compared to Marth.I only have 4 posts because I only post to defend Roy. This is the only Forum-part I visit.
I can't believe I just read that... it burns the eyes. If you really don't like Marth's slow falling speed then fast-fall. But trust me, it outdoes Roy.*jumps* Weeeee! Can I get down now?? No?! **** gravity and my ridicusly slow falling speed! - Marth scenario.
*jumps*Hah! Eat this! *lands, kills(hopefully )*- Roy scenario
I don't know how many opponents (no matter how good you are) will stand there and cop a D-tilt > Fsmash and NOT work a way out of it.No, but that's why you get good, so you can do it anyway .
"Oh look the Roy is charing a Flare Blade, I shall jump into it instead of attmpting to sweetspot the edge because I'm not very clever."Not longer than a fully charged FB . It's possible if it's a 1-on-1 since no one else will be disturbing the charge(and the opponent off the stage).
I don't think like that either, but I know the lag is there and its what adds to Roy's con list. Sure L-cancels are fine but the lag is visible and must be taken into consideration. You should be able to play the game and know how much lag to expect from moves and Roy's lagginess is very clear.No, but I'm not thinking "OMG I falled down, now I jave xx frames of lagg!11!1 I'm DOOOOmed." Not saying that you do.. I just play and let it flow, if I would be thinking about all the lag I wouldn't have time to actually play.
Short Hop Fast Fall L-cancel: As the name says.Duker: You have obviously never heard of shffl, DI, sweetspotting the ledge, l canceling, and admitting you are a noob.
No, NEWB. It's a difference. I've talked with good players, and they all say that you don't have to use wavedash to be good, but they also say that good players CAN wavedash fluently if they want.you are a noob, you said it yourself. also, since you dont care about lag....lemme guess, you don't l-cancel?
btw, you said "not everyone uses it, y'know". actually, yes, everyone whos good does use it. provided they dont play bowser or zelda.
I never said anything about NEO or Azen, someone else did. And I also never claimed to be good in any way, I just have a unusual strong sence of defence against others, I've even defended total *******s just because they was picked on by everyone.*Laughing out loud*
Duker, just stop. It's funny how you used NEO and Azen as examples since those to players say that Roy sucks and Marth is way better (especially NEO, who is the best Roy player).
Anyways, I think that you should have some competitive experience before posting as if you knew what you were talking about. I mean, you beat lvl 9 computers and your baby sister with Roy, yahoo. Now try whipping out your Roy against competitive players in a tournament.
AgreedMost good players do though, its pros outweigh any cons.
I like him, that's reason enough for me.Not much worth defending, as fun as he is. He is helpless when compared to Marth.
It still feels not good when I use Marth.I can't believe I just read that... it burns the eyes. If you really don't like Marth's slow falling speed then fast-fall. But trust me, it outdoes Roy.
Of course they will not just stand there, but there's ways to do it anyway, right?I don't know how many opponents (no matter how good you are) will stand there and cop a D-tilt > Fsmash and NOT work a way out of it.
Hmm.. I don't know what "sweetspoting the edge" is unfortunetly, guess you won on this point..."Oh look the Roy is charing a Flare Blade, I shall jump into it instead of attmpting to sweetspot the edge because I'm not very clever."
Seriously, it won't work very often at all, Marth's double fair is better.
Big circles . I've never played against anyone good, so I've never had any use of knowing the lag sadly.I don't think like that either, but I know the lag is there and its what adds to Roy's con list. Sure L-cancels are fine but the lag is visible and must be taken into consideration. You should be able to play the game and know how much lag to expect from moves and Roy's lagginess is very clear.
This thread is honestly going around in circles.
Directional Input. Gotta try that lol.Short Hop Fast Fall L-cancel: As the name says.
Directional Input: Just use the stick to try to move out of a attacks range in the air.
Kinda Obvious!Sweetspoting the ledge: I have to admit I don't know this one...
Dodge into the ground? That's wavelanding into the ground.L-canceling: Pressing L (R works too) in the air to dodge into the ground and halfing the landing lag.
Yes, but now you are being a noob. you are refusing to let the thread end, I already ended it, yet you keep posting.There's a difference between newb and noob.
See? Right now you are proving you are a n00b, not a newb.Anything else? I'm not gonna stop, I'm too stubborn for that.
You keep posting too, that's a very poor way of "ending" a thread. If you stop posting in this thread, I will too, assuming that everyone else does.Yes, but now you are being a noob. you are refusing to let the thread end, I already ended it, yet you keep posting.
I was trying to end it, you just had to keep the thread going, that's what happened.You keep posting too, that's a very poor way of "ending" a thread. If you stop posting in this thread, I will too, assuming that everyone else does.
marthsword, im not a marth fanboy. i dont even play marth. i just dont like roy.