Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Espio264]

Ugh...dat pun...

I honestly don't pay enough attention to know whether or not that's been used frequently. Sorry if I unintentionally beat the dead horse.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Ridley on Christmas? I'd prefer King DeDeDe.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

You're telling me Samus wearing a skintight suit is one of the more interesting and notable parts of her character?

I think you pay attention to Samus for the wrong reasons.

That goes without saying. She's one of my biggest requests. And yes, she would be a way bigger sex appeal than Wii Fit Trainer & Zero Suit Samus combined.
even if they had naked boobies

You might not be too far out of the ballpark with that accusation, my friend.

Ehue. Shantae boobies.

 

[Arcadenik]

Wait.... Zero Suit Samus is not important? But she is Samus.

Saying Zero Suit Samus is not important is the same thing as saying Sheik is not important.

People always told Diddy Kong that Sheik is important because she is Zelda.

And yet people say Zero Suit Samus is not important. That Ridley is more important than Zero Suit Samus.

That's the same thing as saying Ganondorf is more important than Sheik even though Sheik is Zelda... So in a way, people are saying that Ganondorf is more important than Zelda.

So, people saying Ridley is more important than Zero Suit Samus are implying that Ridley is more important than Samus herself.

At least Zero Suit Samus is recurring.

 

[Sharkarat]

Wait.... Zero Suit Samus is not important? But she is Samus.

Saying Zero Suit Samus is not important is the same thing as saying Sheik is not important.

People always told Diddy Kong that Sheik is important because she is Zelda.

And yet people say Zero Suit Samus is not important. That Ridley is more important than Zero Suit Samus.

That's the same thing as saying Ganondorf is more important than Sheik even though Sheik is Zelda... So in a way, people are saying that Ganondorf is more important than Zelda.

So, people saying Ridley is more important than Zero Suit Samus are implying that Ridley is more important than Samus herself.

At least Zero Suit Samus is recurring.

Because most people most likely think like this when it comes to how important someone is.
Protagonist > other main characters > Alternate version of main characters > Secondary Characters
Applied to Zelda:
Link > Zelda & Ganondorf > Sheik > Impa
Applied to Metroid:
Samus > Ridley > Zero Suit Samus > Dark Samus

Edit: thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Arcadenik]

Zelda isn't a protagonist. Toon Link is more important than Sheik.

My god, this just highlighted how unimportant Toon Sheik really is. She is an alternate version of an alternate version of a main character.

 

[Espio264]

She is an alternate version of an alternate version of a main character.

TOONCEPTION. Dun dun duh duh. Dun dun duh duh. BAAAAAHHH!

Also, you have a good point.

 

[BluePikmin11]

That's why it should be Tetra instead of Toon Sheik. Toon Sheik feels like laziness.

 

[Deleted member]

It should be Tetra instead of Toon Zelda period.

Why make an unnecessary clone that copies a gimmick when the true meat of what people want can work by itself?

 

[YeppersPeppers]

I would take Tetra over Toon Zelda/Shiek ANY day. We already have a Toon Link. We really, REALLY do not need a Toon Zelda or a Toon Shiek. ~

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yeah I see the pointlessness of Toon Zelda also thanks to Golden's statement.

 

[Sharkarat]

I agree with no Toon Zelda, but I would be okay with Phantom Zelda.

 

[Xaltis]

Lucario is not going to be in the game if Mewtwo is in it. People shouldn't have both of them on their lists. Also Waluigi would be the best 5th Mario rep imo. With his long arms and legs I'm sure he'd have some cool moves.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Lucario is not going to be in the game if Mewtwo is in it. People shouldn't have both of them on their lists. Also Waluigi would be the best 5th Mario rep imo. With his long arms and legs I'm sure he'd have some cool moves.

So you saying there should be only 4 Pokemon reps, but 5 Mario reps.
Sorta disagree even though I'm against Lucario.

Also new roster:

I decreased FE reps to one to save space for Golden Sun and Starfy.
And I switched the retro rep for Prince Sable instead of Takamaru.

 

[Zhadgon]

Not unpredictable enough in my eyes to be classed as an unpredictable roster. You've only got two unusual choices after all, and only Aversa has never been suggested on other people's rosters before.

Yeah, I know this is "Roster Prediction" not "Roster Suggestion", but how many people have picked Takamaru by this point? Usually I'd of thought the 'retro' rep would have more diverse suggestions but it seems like nearly everyone's just siding with samurai boy.

Besides that little moan, I see you cut Lucario, Lucas and Wolf. Any particular reason for those cuts or just personal preference? Not going to bash this decision, just curious.

It's a fine roster however, I just don't see this as THAT out there seeing as it's very similar to most other people's rosters(aside from Aversa and Harry).

I know I should have changed Takamaru for Donbe and Hikari.

I say personal and need more space, with some of decisions is more about playstyle and moveset potential.

Thanks how will you rate it from 1 to 10?
.n_n.

 

[Sharkarat]

Lucario is not going to be in the game if Mewtwo is in it. People shouldn't have both of them on their lists.

Can I ask for your reasoning behind this?

 

[Xaltis]

Can I ask for your reasoning behind this?

Because they are too similar y'know? I know Mario/Luigi Link/Toon Link are that too but, I'm pretty sure they only wanna do 1 unique Pokemon that isn't Pikachu or Jigglypuff. Not counting Red cause he had 3 Pokemon with him. I mean that's just what I think about it, I could be wrong. And Pokemon could have 5 reps, I just don't think Lucario is coming back.

 

[N3ON]

Lucario is not going to be in the game if Mewtwo is in it. People shouldn't have both of them on their lists.

If it hadn't been for Sonic, we likely would've had both Lucario and Mewtwo in Brawl, so having both of them this time is not only totally fine, but likely.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Lucario is not going to be in the game if Mewtwo is in it. People shouldn't have both of them on their lists.

Why can't they coexist?

I mean, Lucario has no reason to go. It's still popular and is still being promoted quite a bit.

Because they are too similar y'know? I know Mario/Luigi Link/Toon Link are that too but, I'm pretty sure they only wanna do 1 unique Pokemon that isn't Pikachu or Jigglypuff. Not counting Red cause he had 3 Pokemon with him. I mean that's just what I think about it, I could be wrong. And Pokemon could have 5 reps, I just don't think Lucario is coming back.

How are they similar? They share two moves...

That's as much as Samus and Captain Falcon share.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Because they are too similar y'know? I know Mario/Luigi Link/Toon Link are that too but, I'm pretty sure they only wanna do 1 unique Pokemon that isn't Pikachu or Jigglypuff. Not counting Red cause he had 3 Pokemon with him. I mean that's just what I think about it, I could be wrong. And Pokemon could have 5 reps, I just don't think Lucario is coming back.

They are only similar with the Neutral-B. They are not really clones.

 

[Johnknight1]

Yes, that would be a better date. That makes sense. That would also probably be pretty close to the game if it is coming out Q2 next year (trying to remain optimistic).

Spoiler alert: Neither game is coming out until at the earliest Q4 2014. I mean if it was 1 game being made it wouldn't be that crazy, but it is 2 games on 1 fairly new-ish console and 1 very new-ish console. The developers still probably have to figure out each console.

 

[Xaltis]

If it hadn't been for Sonic, we likely would've had both Lucario and Mewtwo in Brawl, so having both of them this time is not only totally fine, but likely.

I'm sorry, but I'm not understanding this. Why does Sonic being in have anything to do with the Pokemon? o.o

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'm sorry, but I'm not understanding this. Why does Sonic being in have anything to do with the Pokemon? o.o

If Sonic wasn't in Brawl, Sakurai could've had space for one of the Forbidden 7 characters.

 

[Johnknight1]

Lucario is not going to be in the game if Mewtwo is in it. People shouldn't have both of them on their lists. Also Waluigi would be the best 5th Mario rep imo. With his long arms and legs I'm sure he'd have some cool moves.

...could your opinions be any worse=???

You want us to only keep one of two unique characters with out of this world potential and add possibly the worst highly wanted potential newcomer instead in the name of your "rep" religion=???

Thank Miyamoto you aren't choosing the roster.

Because they are too similar y'know?

AND WALUIGI ISN'T!?!?!? Seriously, he's the definition of freaking clones. There is almost nothing unique about him, whereas Mewtwo and Lucario only have two similar-ish moves, both of which have completely different animations and effects. Mario, Luigi, Dr. Mario, Samus, Kirby, Fox, Captain Falcon, and Ganondorf are more alike than those two because they actually legitimately share moves than Mewtwo and Lucario.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I could see Waluigi different, but I have a weird feeling he would be a semi clone of Wario.

 

[Johnknight1]

I'm sorry, but I'm not understanding this. Why does Sonic being in have anything to do with the Pokemon? o.o

Sonic was added in Brawl late in the development cycle. All of the rest of the roster was decided and put in back in 2005, whereas Sonic was added in 2007. Mewtwo's data wasn't too far from completion, and Roy's wasn't too far behind. Heck, they even had their own victory theme files, unlike Wolf.

Heck, we could have gotten more of the "Forbidden 7" too, like possibly Dr. Mario, Plusle and Minun (if that is what it truly was), and Dixie Kong (please don't team with Diddy).

I could see Waluigi different, but I have a weird feeling he would be a semi clone of Wario.

What does he ever do that is unique=??? Swim in the air, steal, and be in a dancing fad game that is a decade outdated. That's about it.

 

[Xaltis]

...could your opinions be any worse=???

You want us to only keep one of two unique characters with out of this world potential and add possibly the worst highly wanted potential newcomer instead in the name of your "rep" religion=???

Thank Miyamoto you aren't choosing the roster.

AND WALUIGI ISN'T!?!?!? Seriously, he's the definition of freaking clones. There is almost nothing unique about him, whereas Mewtwo and Lucario only have two similar-ish moves, both of which have completely different animations and effects. Mario, Luigi, Dr. Mario, Samus, Kirby, Fox, Captain Falcon, and Ganondorf are more alike than those two because they actually legitimately share moves than Mewtwo and Lucario.

Wow I think I might block you. You are getting way too offensive for no reason at all. You need to calm down, just because it's not what you want doesn't mean I'm not allowed to have an opinion. Waluigi is his own person, how is he a clone? o.o

If Sonic wasn't in Brawl, Sakurai could've had space for one of the Forbidden 7 characters.

What Forbidden 7 are you talking about?

*EDIT*

OOOOH THOSE forbidden 7, still not sure what Sonic being in has anything to do with them though.

 

[N3ON]

I'm sorry, but I'm not understanding this. Why does Sonic being in have anything to do with the Pokemon? o.o

When Sonic was added late he shifted priorities around and definitely caused some things to be left on the cutting room floor. If Sakurai's statements about new original movesets in Melee are anything to go by, characters like Sonic would take the development time of several veterans/clones, so as the furthest along of the cut characters, logically it would make sense that Mewtwo (and probably other cut characters) were omitted in favour of Sonic.

But even if they weren't, Sakurai did have the intention to include both Mewtwo and Lucario in Brawl, with at least five Pokemon slots, so you really can't fault those who are doing what Sakurai himself has done previously: including both on the same roster.

 

[Frostwraith]

What Forbidden 7 are you talking about?

Seven unused character files in Brawl's data. They are Mewtwo, Roy, Dr. Mario, Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda, Toon Sheik and an unknown character labelled internally as "Pra_mai", which some speculate it to be Plusle and Minun due to their Japanese names.

 

[Xaltis]

When Sonic was added late he shifted priorities around and definitely caused some things to be left on the cutting room floor. If Sakurai's statements about new original movesets in Melee are anything to go by, characters like Sonic would take the development time of several veterans/clones, so as the furthest along of the cut characters, logically it would make sense that Mewtwo (and probably other cut characters) were omitted in favour of Sonic.

But even if they weren't, Sakurai did have the intention to include both Mewtwo and Lucario in Brawl, with at least five Pokemon slots, so you really can't fault those who are doing what Sakurai himself has done previously: including both on the same roster.

Oh I see, well I mean yea other than their B move and their that "unique" pokemon they aren't as similar as Mario/Luigi Link/Toon Link, if Sakurai was gonna put them both in Brawl I suppose I can see them both being in Smash 4.

 

[Chandeelure]

Lucario is not going to be in the game if Mewtwo is in it. People shouldn't have both of them on their lists. Also Waluigi would be the best 5th Mario rep imo. With his long arms and legs I'm sure he'd have some cool moves.

So you saying there should be only 4 Pokemon reps, but 5 Mario reps.
Sorta disagree even though I'm against Lucario.

Also new roster:

I decreased FE reps to one to save space for Golden Sun and Starfy.
And I switched the retro rep for Prince Sable instead of Takamaru.

Xaltis:No,Lucario and Mewtwo can co-exist ,and do you think Waluigi is the best 5th Mario rep?... :/
BluePikmin11:Sorry,but your roster is still pretty bad in my opinion.

 

[BluePikmin11]

BluePikmin11:Sorry,but your roster is still pretty bad in my opinion.

You guys will never warm up to Dr. Kawashima.
I'm open to all character inclusions, and I find Dr. Kawashima the most bizarre out of all them.

 

[N3ON]

Yeah, any roster than has Sable, Harry, and Kawashima is pretty bad. One of those is enough of a stretch, all three is just never going to happen. But logic doesn't work against such claims as "Virtual Boy rep" and "two Japan-only retros make sense". Oh wait. He cut Takamaru. And he decreased Mother and... Fire Emblem (WHY?) to one character.

He also has 12 new series, which is more than the first game added. So yeah. It's pretty bad. But he's not going to make it any better.

 

[Deleted member]

What does he ever do that is unique=??? Swim in the air, steal, and be in a dancing fad game that is a decade outdated. That's about it.

Forgot spawn purple thorns, really powerful legs (only Mario character so far that can claim this), use a four appendage backpack, teleport in puffs of purple smoke, etc.

In comparison, what does Luigi ever do that's unique? Other than the frigging vacuum, everything about Luigi is just a deviation from Mario's abilities.
Quite literally, Luigi has to dream to be special.

It's rather pathetic that Luigi is worse than what you gripe about Waluigi.

 

[YoshiandToad]

I know I should have changed Takamaru for Donbe and Hikari.

I say personal and need more space, with some of decisions is more about playstyle and moveset potential.

Thanks how will you rate it from 1 to 10?
.n_n.

Put Donbe and Hikari in and I'll give it a solid 9/10(always room for improvement after all!) I'll admit I'm a little intrigued by Harry and although I don't see any of the obscure choices happening, rosters like this at least a bit more visually interesting and give us a character to discuss. We very rarely seem to talk about characters like Donbe and Hikari or Harry outside of "Harry won't make it" which is limited discussion at best(and then usually somehow always ends as all out war between Chrom/Roy fans. Still not worked this one out.)

As for your cuts, the only one I'd be a bit disappointed with personally would be Wolf, but he's not a deal breaker, and I can see why people see him as expendable. Good job overall!

 

[Johnknight1]

Would ruin a lot of butt hurt naysayers Christmas'.

And would make a lot of Christmas' for Ridley supporters!

To be fair, whenever Ridley is confirmed it will be like Christmas for us Ridley supporters (aka the smarter people).

Also, fun fact: On Brawl's (2nd) Dojo we got Sonic's Final Smash (update) on Christmas.

 

[Croph]

What I'd like to know is why did Sakurai wait until 2007 to add in Sonic? I understand that Sonic's addition did came at a price (cutting development time for Mewtwo, Roy, etc.), plus it wasn't Sonic alone; a bunch of Sonic content needed to be added (a stage, music, etc.), as it's a new franchise. However, if Sakurai opened the gate to third party additions early on (I'm assuming that Snake was added a lot earlier...right?), why didn't he consider Sonic, one of the most famous and iconic video game characters? Shouldn't these things be more thought-out early on?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Forgot spawn purple thorns, really powerful legs (only Mario character so far that can claim this), use a four appendage backpack, teleport in puffs of purple smoke, etc.

In comparison, what does Luigi ever do that's unique? Other than the frigging vacuum, everything about Luigi is just a deviation from Mario's abilities.
Quite literally, Luigi has to dream to be special.

It's rather pathetic that Luigi is worse than what you gripe about Waluigi.

But it's Luigi. Of course he would get a free pass!

 

[Johnknight1]

Wow I think I might block you. You are getting way too offensive for no reason at all. You need to calm down, just because it's not what you want doesn't mean I'm not allowed to have an opinion.

I'm just calling a spade a spade. I'm not being rude or angry about anything at all (I haven't been angry about words on a internet forum in like forever!!!), I'm being straight-forward. I just don't like to beat around the bush. If I feel something, I say it, but I never make it out to be an insult, but rather a matter-of-fact statement.

If you don't like me or my posting, then you can block me. If you don't like my style of posting, then fine. At the end of your day, that's your call.

Waluigi is his own person, how is he a clone? o.o

Because he does nothing unique at all. He literally was made to be Wario's doubles partner in Mario Tennis by Camelot, and Mario spin-off games aside, Nintendo refuses to have him in any Mario titles.

On top of that, he would be the worst kind of blank slate character, especially when we got so many better blank slates available, like Bowser Jr., Wart, a totally new Dr. Mario, Cranky Kong, Krystal, Zoroark (or really a plethora of Pokémon), a totally new Pichu, Samurai Goroh, Black Shadow, the Masked Man/Claus, a totally new Roy, Chrom, Palutena, etc. etc. etc.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Wart, eh?

Now there's a character suggestion I rarely hear. What would you do with him to make him unique? Although I beat his game, all I ever remember him doing was spitting bubbles and choking on vegetables.

But, no, I am genuinely interested in hearing how you'd make Wart work and what his abilities would be outside bubble spitting.