Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[AEMehr]

She's more than a suit. She is woman hear her roar. Remember that there was a time when most players thought she was a man. Granted it was a long, long time ago.

That doesn't add to her character, it just reveals she's a woman. But if you didn't already know that you never read the content regarding Samus in the instructions manual or trophy information.

You might not be too far out of the ballpark with that accusation, my friend.

Ehue. Shantae boobies.

I suppose that solves that mystery.

 

[Johnknight1]

What I'd like to know is why did Sakurai wait until 2007 to add in Sonic? I understand that Sonic's addition did came at a price (cutting development time for Mewtwo, Roy, etc.), plus it wasn't Sonic alone; a bunch of Sonic content needed to be added (a stage, music, etc.), as it's a new franchise. However, if Sakurai opened the gate to third party additions early on (I'm assuming that Snake was added a lot earlier...right?), why didn't he consider Sonic, one of the most famous and iconic video game characters? Shouldn't these things be more thought-out early on?

Probably Sakurai relying on Nintendo for legal help on the matter, as well as a lack of communications or a committed answer.

Kojima actually begged Sakurai to add Snake shortly after development began after E3 2005 actually, and from what I assume is that Kojima's crew at Konami and his studio of Konami dealt with a lot of the legal stuff, as well as helped design the Shadow Moses Island stage.

It'll make Pokemon Bank releasing everywhere else except the US (27th) seem not as bad anymore.

Now if only Ridley came with a 30-day free trial..

Ridley comes with a lifetime free trial with a copy of Super Smash Bros. for the Wii U and 3DS.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yeah, any roster than has Sable, Harry, and Kawashima is pretty bad. One of those is enough of a stretch, all three is just never going to happen. But logic doesn't work against such claims as "Virtual Boy rep" and "two Japan-only retros make sense". Oh wait. He cut Takamaru. And he decreased Mother and... Fire Emblem (WHY?) to one character.

He also has 12 new series, which is more than the first game added. So yeah. It's pretty bad. But he's not going to make it any better.

Relax, I'm only testing the one FE rep idea to see how you guys would react. I guess everyone doesn't like the idea.

 

[N3ON]

Relax, I'm only testing the one FE rep idea to see how you would react.

Yeah, I'm sure that's the same mentality Sakurai has when making his rosters.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Lucario is not going to be in the game if Mewtwo is in it. People shouldn't have both of them on their lists. Also Waluigi would be the best 5th Mario rep imo. With his long arms and legs I'm sure he'd have some cool moves.

I would have agreed with you before, but X/Y has shown me otherwise. In Generation 5, all Lucario had was advertising and promotion material, meaning not much to do with the games. However, in Generation 6, not only does he have a Mega Evolution, but a segment of the story in Pokemon X/Y tells you about how Lucario was the first Pokemon to ever get a Mega Evolution. You're even forced to battle a Lucario with your own Lucario at one point, acting as a tutorial for Mega Evolution. If I recall correctly, you get to keep that Lucario as well.

So Lucario very well has relevancy both in and out of the games right now. The fact that he shares no moves with Mewtwo makes it plenty more evident.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yeah Sakurai knows every Nintendo character there is, I think he's open to all Nintendo characters.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

So last night I asked who is more important the damsel or villain
Almost everyone said villain. Some people said you could argue that in zelda it's the Zelda because the villain changes
But if we are talking about zelda and Ganon. I would say Ganon.
Which means....... Toon ganondorf out prioritizes Toon Zelda
I bet ya didn't see that one coming

 

[Croph]

So like, on Wart...um... well, I actually do like the character. So this is what I got...

I could imagine him being a summoner fighter, having a lot of moves for zoing purposes. Though he also has a bulky body, right? However, I honestly can't imagine him using it for a lot of attacks lol. I think the bubble shot should be included, as it's pretty iconic. Using vegetables would ironic considering he hates them (but whatever works, I guess).

Anyway, he could perhaps summon minions in means of attacks. So like Shy Guys, Snifits, Phantos (perhaps they could be like homing attacks), those bird enemies (could also be a recovery or maybe the magic carpet?), etc. Heck, maybe even use those Subcon fairies he imprisoned. Maybe he forces the fairies to carry him as a recovery move? Lol, or maybe use magic attacks? The whole notion of "Subcon" though, is a dream world. So, although it's a bit of a stretch, Wart could have some trippy, fantasy-like moves that could also revolve around mindgames, representing what Subcon really is, if you get what I'm saying.

But yeah, not like I'm expecting him or whatever, but I always loved SMB2. And as a kid, those Phantos scared the crap outta me. O.o

 

[shinhed-echi]

I hope Lucario, Mewtwo, Jigglypuff and Pokemon Trainer (especially) all make it in.
I'd love to see a Lucario vs Mewtwo fight. (And I really hope I don't eat these words when Lucario and Mewtwo become top tiers).

 

[Baskerville]

Yeah, I'm sure that's the same mentality Sakurai has when making his rosters.

Well, considering people like to justify Sakurai's actions by saying hes "trolling", I'm not surprised.

Yeah Sakurai knows every Nintendo character there is, I think he's open to all Nintendo characters.

Like how he was open to the idea of Urban Champion, eh?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I uncovered something during Math Class on my iPhone. Diskun appears as the main character of the last ever Famicom Disk System game. It's a game that combines puzzle-solving elements with the elements associated with a role-playing game. In this game Diskun has the ability to walk in all 4 directions as the bottom of this sprite sheet shows:

Perhaps we can even use sutff from this game to implement into his move set. I can say for a fact that Diskun moving and fighting is NOT a problem and contrary to Arcadenik's belief, he is a mascot/character and not a logo.

So yeah, I'm keeping Diskun on my roster.


Here is the link to the wiki article of this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janken_Disk_Jō

 

[Johnknight1]

In comparison, what does Luigi ever do that's unique?

Vacuum (which could be an entire moveset unlike "puffs of purple smoke", "really powerful legs", which accounts to maybe a move at best), long and high jumping abilities, and other such moves from non spin-off Mario titles that Waluigi has no access to.

On top of that, Luigi is actually a relevant character. I mean, he stared in Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon and NEW Super Luigi U just this year, and co-stars in Mario & Luigi: Dream, as well as plays a prominent role in Super Mario 3D World.

Relax, I'm only testing the one FE rep idea to see how you guys would react. I guess everyone doesn't like the idea.

It's not the "one FE rep" that pisses people off, but the lack of Ike, because Ike was a great addition to Smash Bros. The same is true of Marth. They are nearly universally loved in the realm of Smash Brothers, which is honestly the only reason why people want more Fire Emblem characters.

If both characters were terrible and boring, smash bros fans who don't play Fire Emblem games (basically most smash brother fans) wouldn't care if they got cut.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I just get back from school and had an ear infection all day. My reward is a debate about whether LUIGI IS UNIQUE AND RELEVANT!?

You're telling me Samus wearing a skintight suit is one of the more interesting and notable parts of her character?

I think you pay attention to Samus for the wrong reasons.

It was probably the most notable part of the game in the ending of Metroid on NES.

I agree with no Toon Zelda, but I would be okay with Phantom Zelda.

Roster Maker has an Icon of Tetra/Phantom Zelda. WTF?

 

[Johnknight1]

Wart, eh?

Now there's a character suggestion I rarely hear. What would you do with him to make him unique? Although I beat his game, all I ever remember him doing was spitting bubbles and choking on vegetables.

But, no, I am genuinely interested in hearing how you'd make Wart work and what his abilities would be outside bubble spitting.

It's not so much what would make him unique that stands out, but that I think he would be a great "blank slate" character to make up crap for, much like what was done for the Ice Climbers (they were never a team; Nana is literally just player 2), Captain Falcon, Fox, ROB, the Villager (kinda sorta), etc.

Who knows what he could do! Crazy "trick" magic tricks, summon minions, attack with his staff, use "Frog moves,: throw things after summoning them, etc. That kind of crazy stuff is very possible in a "blank slate character."

 

[SchAlternate]

I never quite got what people hate so much about Waluigi ._.

 

[Onyx Oblivian]

I never quite got what people hate so much about Waluigi ._.

The main argument is that he is an "unimportant" spin-off only character, when ironically this is a character choice for a spin-off fighting game.

Also, people just don't like him. and are the vocal minority I wouldn't mind his inclusion!

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I never quite got what people hate so much about Waluigi ._.

Most likely the sheer awkwardness of him, plus only appearing in the spin-off party games like Mario Kart, the sport games, mario party and etc. I'm indifferent for him, I wouldn't care if he was in and vice versa.

 

[YoshiandToad]

It's not so much what would make him unique that stands out, but that I think he would be a great "blank slate" character to make up crap for, much like what was done for the Ice Climbers (they were never a team; Nana is literally just player 2), Captain Falcon, Fox, ROB, the Villager (kinda sorta), etc.

Who knows what he could do! Crazy "trick" magic tricks, summon minions, attack with his staff, use "Frog moves,: throw things after summoning them, etc. That kind of crazy stuff is very possible in a "blank slate character."

Ah, I see. But then...what makes Wart a better "blank slate" character than Waluigi in this situation? Surely the point of a blank slate character is the sky is the limit with their abilities as long as you get creative with the little they do have?

The main argument is that he is an "unimportant" spin-off only character, when ironically this is a character choice for a spin-off fighting game.

Also, people just don't like him. and are the vocal minority I wouldn't mind his inclusion!

It's especially weird considering how much money the Mario spin offs bring in for Nintendo every single year. They're kind of a huge deal and a huge part of Nintendo. Still rather have Toad, but I could deal with Waluigi.

I just get back from school and had an ear infection all day. My reward is a debate about whether LUIGI IS UNIQUE AND RELEVANT!?

Relevant? Luigi is always relevant. I don't think anyone can really debate if one half of the Mario Brothers is relevant or not; he just is.

Is he unique compared to his brother? Not hugely unique within the Mario games where they're both playable. The main difference being he has a personality. Also he's better at jumping than 'Jumpman' which is also kind of ironic.

 

[Johnknight1]

It should be Tetra instead of Toon Zelda period.

Why make an unnecessary clone that copies a gimmick when the true meat of what people want can work by itself?

Iunno, maybe Toon Zelda could actually function, or perhaps take a totally different spin on Zelda's skillset.

I mean, it's not like the current (barely functioning) Zelda is the only way Zelda could work and be unique.

I never quite got what people hate so much about Waluigi ._.

I don't hate Waluigi, I just hate the thought of him getting over several dozen Nintendo characters IMO that would be far better smash bros newcomers.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I doubt Diskun will get in because of his lack of people who know about him.
I dot know a single casual gamer who knows of him. In fact, I didn't know about him until just the other day.
I honestly think the n64 logo would be the best retro WTF I'm working on a moveset for it.

 

[Onyx Oblivian]

It's especially ironic considering how much money the Mario spin offs bring in for Nintendo every single year. They're kind of a huge deal and a huge part of Nintendo. Still rather have Toad, but I could deal with Waluigi.

Actually, I also would much rather have Toad! He is my first choice haha and yes, the Mario Spin-offs are HUGE. Kids playing these games see Waluigi as a "character". There is no "technicalities" that should put aside Waluigi as a possible candidate, he is a well known character.

I don't hate Waluigi, I just hate the thought of him getting over several dozen Nintendo characters IMO that would be far better smash bros newcomers.

Several Dozens? Like who?

For me It's
1. Toad
2. Waluigi
3. Bowser Jr.
4. everyone else.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I doubt Diskun will get in because of his lack of people who know about him.
I dot know a single casual gamer who knows of him. In fact, I didn't know about him until just the other day.

Since when has this ever been how retro's got in? Ice Climbers, Pit, Takamaru? Did casual gamers know these guys? Not to mention casual gamers in Japan should recognize the mascot of the Famicom. Unless this is a joke post.

 

[Baskerville]

There is scraping the bottom of the barrel and then there is just random ass choices that make ZERO sense whatsoever.
At least with the Wii Fit Trainer she had stuff to work with, Diskun on the other hand doesn't.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Since when has this ever been how retro's got in? Ice Climbers, Pit, Takamaru? Did casual gamers know these guys? Not to mention casual gamers in Japan should recognize the mascot of the Famicom. Unless this is a joke post.

I thought Pit was at least semi known by the older casuals? I wasn't a Nintendo fan until the N64 era and I knew of him thanks to the Captain N cartoon. Ice Climbers and Takamaru though; not so much.

 

[Rasumii]

Could someone tell me a list of Possible 3rd Party characters? Only a few are good, I got Snake, Pac-man and Layton already.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

There is scraping the bottom of the barrel and then there is just random *** choices that make ZERO sense whatsoever.
At least with the Wii Fit Trainer she had stuff to work with, Diskun on the other hand doesn't.

Right, the mascot of a successful add-on for the revolutionary Famicom is random and makes zero sense. You also do realize Diskun appears as the main character in his own game and because Disks copy data from Famicom games he can use stuff from Famicom games. So yeah, he does have stuff to work with and can move just as well as Kirby according to his game.

I should know what I'm talking about considering I actually researched this stuff.

 

[Johnknight1]

Ah, I see. But then...what makes Wart a better "blank slate" character than Waluigi in this situation? Surely the point of a blank slate character is the sky is the limit with their abilities as long as you get creative with the little they do have?

Everything I just said is just me scratching the surface, and in and of itself is the proof. Few, if any Nintendo characters that remotely matter could do that, whereas Waluigi almost exclusively only does things that other Mario spin-off character can do.

 

[Onyx Oblivian]

Eh, the point of WTF characters are exactly that. You can't predict them, they are the surprise element. They're unexpected/WTF yes, but they make sense and are appropriate eventually when you think about it. I don't call them "WTF" characters, I call them "Hardware Characters", because so far that's what the trend has been.

It is perfectly fine to guess that Diskun will be this character. There shouldn't be any criticism, if Saturn gets it right, he has the right to brag. Point is, people shouldn't dismiss a "WTF/hardware character" that makes sense. Some people think Wii Fit Trainer was this already, and until I see the true "hardware character" I think it could be her because she represents the Wii Fit Balance Board.

 

[SchAlternate]

Right, the mascot of a successful add-on for the revolutionary Famicom is random and makes zero sense. You also do realize Diskun appears as the main character in his own game and because Disks copy data from Famicom games he can use stuff from Famicom games. So yeah, he does have stuff to work with.

While he does in that regard, I still think he's got a fairly small chance of actually getting in. I'm not sure why, but there's just... something about him that doesn't really appeal to me.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

While he does in that regard, I still think he's got a fairly small chance of actually getting in. I'm not sure why, but there's just... something about him that doesn't really appeal to me.

Well, everyone got their own opinion about characters.

 

[Johnknight1]

Eh, the point of WTF characters are exactly that. You can't predict them, they are the surprise element. They're unexpected/WTF yes, but they make sense and are appropriate eventually when you think about it.

The Wii Fit Trainer was predictable; the problem was that people were predictably stupid, and never brought the main character of a franchise that has sold nearly 50 million copies in just two games. If I had played Wii Fit or this had happened, I would have suggested it.

Seriously, I didn't even know there was a Trainer in Wii Fit. I just thought it was all Miis!!!

People were too busy talking about whether we'd have 2, 3, or 4 Kid Icarus playable characters, 3, 4, 5, or 6 Fire Emblem playable characters, or 10 or 24 Pokémon playable characters to bother to talk about things like the Villager (which I brought up several times, only to be shot down) or to even think of the Wii Fit Trainer.

People get so focused on franchises with playable characters already that they forget other MAJOR franchises exist often!

Several Dozens? Like who?

I made a list and I had about 3 dozen and I was going in order per smash franchise, and I was only at Star Fox.

Yeah, that should tell you how low of a priority I feel about Waluigi, especially since I'd probably list like 5 dozen Pokémon, a dozen F-Zero MOTHER, and Fire Emblem characters, and a ton of miscellaneous Nintendo franchise main characters.

 

[Chandeelure]

Could someone tell me a list of Possible 3rd Party characters? Only a few are good, I got Snake, Pac-man and Layton already.

Bomberman,Rayman...Tails? XD

 

[TheLastJinjo]

If people actually brought up the concept of Wii Fit Trainer there'd still be doubt. Shows how much we know.

 

[Onyx Oblivian]

I made a list and I had about 3 dozen and I was going in order per smash franchise, and I was only at Star Fox.

Yeah, that should tell you how low of a priority I feel about Waluigi, especially since I'd probably list like 5 dozen Pokémon, a dozen F-Zero MOTHER, and Fire Emblem characters, and a ton of miscellaneous Nintendo franchise main characters.

OH. I was under the impression you meant you preferred several dozen MARIO characters I doubted there were several dozen more reoccurring characters than him. Yeah, if you don't like Waluigi it only makes sense you have a list of other characters you'd want see first.

 

[Johnknight1]

If people actually brought up the concept of Wii Fit Trainer there'd still be doubt. Shows how much we know.

Doubt is common, but still, consideration would have been nice.

Nobody is gonna get the entire roster right unless they have inside sources, after all.

OH. I was under the impression you meant you preferred several dozen MARIO characters I doubted there were several dozen more reoccurring characters than him. Yeah, if you don't like Waluigi it only makes sense you have a list of other characters you'd want see first.

I was gonna say your list really sucked! Now that makes sense; because you only listed Mario characters!

 

[Baskerville]

Right, the mascot of a successful add-on for the revolutionary Famicom is random and makes zero sense. You also do realize Diskun appears as the main character in his own game and because Disks copy data from Famicom games he can use stuff from Famicom games. So yeah, he does have stuff to work with and can move just as well as Kirby according to his game.

I should know what I'm talking about considering I actually researched this stuff.

You obviously don't considering you'd think he would work as playable character to begin with. Only having brief appearances in old Famicom games is not what I call main character status.

 

[SchAlternate]

I made a list and I had about 3 dozen and I was going in order per smash franchise, and I was only at Star Fox.

Yeah, that should tell you how low of a priority I feel about Waluigi, especially since I'd probably list like 5 dozen Pokémon, a dozen F-Zero MOTHER, and Fire Emblem characters, and a ton of miscellaneous Nintendo franchise main characters.

Three dozens on by Star Fox? That's nice. Just how many of those actually have a chance of getting in?

When considering a character in Smash, you also have to consider how likely it actually is as well. I mean, one thing is liking the character, another is seeing it as a viable newcomer.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I want to find the guy who first mentioned Diskun on this thread, (probably as a joke at first) and use tackle on him 10 times.

 

[Onyx Oblivian]

I was gonna say your list really sucked! Now that makes sense; because you only listed Mario characters!

Yeah that list would be embarrassingly bad if those were the only characters on my wanted newcomer list

 

[Johnknight1]

Three dozens on Star Fox? That's nice. Just how many of those actually have a chance of getting in?

NO! Three dozen BY Star Fox. That includes the Mario, DK, Zelda, Metroid, Yoshi, Kirby, AND Star Fox franchise.

I'd say about 2 dozen of those characters have some shot, and about 4 of 5 of them are fairly likely.

When considering a character in Smash, you also have to consider how likely it actually is as well. I mean, one thing is liking the character, another is seeing it as a viable newcomer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that wasn't the point of my post as I said.

I was going off my personal opinion as them as a playable character. Who I want to play with because of how they would play, not who they are.