Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Arcanir]

Why not? Gen 6 seems to be trying to get the genwunners back any way

Quiet you, no need to incite argument!

Though it's true...

 

[TumblrFamous]

I do agree with Hotfeet's decision to add Mewtwo and drop Lucario, but I don't think Lucario should be the only cut. That's just bias, but it'd just be a kick to the crotch to see that to him. I do believe that the 4 caps is not a good idea. Sure, it's possible they don't feel like it's important to expand, and I understand that you just wanted to keep it at 4 each, but I feel like that some of the major franchises could move up to three (most likely Pokemon, a good chance for Mario, iffy on Zelda).

I like your roster regardless, and if there was anything to say, just add Lucario back and drop Pacman. I mean, I just don't believe we will get 4 third parties, IMO. 9.7/10.

Or just add a character I really like... then full 10/10.

 

[Louie G.]

I knew I was digging myself in a hole with saying Snake has a lot going against him, but I'm just going to say this:
Snake is iconic to Konami, so that's not a problem. If we get a Konami rep this time, it will be Snake again.
He has a cool playstyle, but his rights will be even harder to receive this time around with Snake not getting an original Nintendo release for quite some time now, and Konami decided to skip out on the Wii U for MGS5.
I'm just saying don't be disappointed when if Snake doesn't make it.

 

[MargnetMan23]

I agree with Noah. 2 cuts makes more sense that 1, unless that 1 was ROB (because nobody would care too much if ROB was cut).

What does he have going against him other than being 3rd party=???

You can't argue "he's not popular enough" because he's arguably a bigger gaming icon than Mega Man (sales and the fact his series is actually getting new entries is proof of that).

He's also one of the most popular newcomers in Brawl, and Sakurai himself said he was a fantastic addition.

On top of that, he's one of the 2 or 3 best and most unique newcomers in Brawl in terms of how he plays. His zoning style changes how you play Smash Bros, which obviously is totally unique, and IMO is freaking awesome. If Brawl wasn't so camper friendly, I would love to play against him more (like I do in Project M).

Considering bout half of them have gigantic failures, I'd say cutting the failures would make more sense, especially since Sakurai has complained about the Pokémon Company, Game Freak, and Intelligent Games way more than Konami in terms of getting the rights to characters and franchises.

Even if you think that's the best way to go realistically speaking
1. I seriously doubt Sakurai thinks lowly about how he pulled off characters like R.O.B or Pit. And if you have proof of it be my guest.
2. Cutting characters because they didn't turn out well as playables in smash makes no damn sense regardless. **** BOWSER TURNED OUT TERRIBLY! WE BETTER CUT HIM INSTEAD OF TRYING TO MAKE THE EFFORT TO IMPROVE A DESERVING CHARACTER!

Just sayin' =P

 

[Johnknight1]

I'm going to laugh if a random 6th generation Pokémon gets confirmed!!!

 

[Hotfeet444]

I do agree with Hotfeet's decision to add Mewtwo and drop Lucario, but I don't think Lucario should be the only cut. That's just bias, but it'd just be a kick to the crotch to see that to him. I do believe that the 4 caps is not a good idea. Sure, it's possible they don't feel like it's important to expand, and I understand that you just wanted to keep it at 4 each, but I feel like that some of the major franchises could move up to three (most likely Pokemon, a good chance for Mario, iffy on Zelda).

I like your roster regardless, and if there was anything to say, just add Lucario back and drop Pacman. I mean, I just don't believe we will get 4 third parties, IMO. 9.7/10.

Or just add a character I really like... then full 10/10.

It was just a what-if. If it had a five cap, Lucario would be in. Not to mention I'm starting to like the idea of Pac-Man more...I mean...Mario, Sonic, MegaMan and Pac-Man all in the same game at the same time on the same stage...that's a battle of the century waiting to happen between gaming's most iconic figures.

 

[Chandeelure]

I think the only possible cut is Snake,Lucario is pretty safe in my opinion.

 

[MargnetMan23]

I'm going to laugh if a random 6th generation Pokémon gets confirmed!!!

BARBACLE FOR SMASH! HE'S HUMANOID AND THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO BE WORTHY! JUST LOOK AT GENESECT AND ZOROARK!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

The one cut was done because I wanted to cap it off at four, and the "We're thinking about it" doesn't sound hesitant, it honestly sounds like what he'd say about any character, considering he can't just say "Oh yeah, definitely going to be in" or "Nah, we're not even going to try with that one".

Also, it's not as close as you think it is. Sure, Lucario is popular, but he's got a pretty far way to go to compete with Mewtwo, who not only had more years to build up popularity, but has never had his popularity die down, being very close, to not on par, with Charizard for the world's most popular pokemon, some even assume he'll surpass Charizard at some point, and it's possible. In short, the return of Mewtwo is a much more important than the return of Lucario. We're talking about a character who's topped Smash Bros polls time and time again, on both sides of the world, Sakurai knows what the fans want, and the fans want Mewtwo more than they do Lucario. I mean come on...it's Mewtwo, a mighty legendary pokemon.

Unfortunately it doesn't justify reversing a cut situation and making the exact same mistake as Brawl which would only repeat the Mewtwo problem regardless that it would be insignificantly smaller.

I'm sure Pokemon & Sakurai want at least 1 Pokemon that's not Gen 1. It's as much of a pattern as always having Jigglypuff as appose having an all Gen 1 roster which is not the pattern. What you're suggesting is a horrible marketing decision. Just save yourself the trouble and replace Pac-Man with Lucario. I can say for a fact that picking the most iconic Pokemon is NOT the complete standard according to Lucario getting in over Mewtwo, And Jigglypuff getting over a number of Pokemon. I don't see why Mewtwo being more iconic matters more now that Lucario has already gotten in and Mewtwo still has more movies than Lucario. Yes., Mewtwo is the hottest Pokemon right now, but not to the point where you can just throw Lucario in the garbage without a seconds thought.

Keeping Lucario based on Sakurai's standard of ADDING Pokemon makes just as much sense as Mewtwo, he never said anything about what Pokemon gets in over another and for what reasons.

This is one of those "contrary to popular belief" roster making decisions. There's really no sense in Lucario getting cut and I realize a lot of people don't notice that because they undermine these points which do in fact matter. I can't say the same for you, but anybody I see who has cut Lucario doesn't think once about it.

 

[Louie G.]

Just save yourself the trouble and replace Pac-Man with Lucario.

I feel that there is some bias here.

 

[FinalStarmen]

Quick miscellaneous question:

If there was a single character(s)'s reveal which would build the most anticipatory excitement within you, which character(s) would that be?

By this, I mean personal character favorites that you prefer considerably, not hype-building or promotional characters you expect but are not emotionally invested in. You can decide whichever character you want as your most anticipated, whether a veteran such as Captain Falcon or Ness, or a potential newcomer such as Ridley or Takamaru.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Quick miscellaneous question:

If there was a single character(s)'s reveal which would build the most anticipatory excitement within you, which character(s) would that be?

By this, I mean personal character favorites that you prefer considerably, not hype-building or promotional characters you expect but are not emotionally invested in. You can decide whichever character you want as your most anticipated, whether a veteran such as Captain Falcon or Ness, or a potential newcomer such as Ridley or Takamaru.

Ridley and or Mewtwo honestly. Unless you're counting unrealistic choices.

 

[Johnknight1]

If anyone should be cut it should be the ROB the Camper.

He has a cool playstyle, but his rights will be even harder to receive this time around with Snake not getting an original Nintendo release for quite some time now, and Konami decided to skip out on the Wii U for MGS5.
I'm just saying don't be disappointed when if Snake doesn't make it.

Nintendo isn't even developing Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS, so why the freak would Namco Bandai or Sakurai (who is only kinda sorta a Nintendo employee) give a flying rat's booty if MGS V wasn't on the Wii U=???

Maybe if that console sold more than freaking used tampons it would be a bigger deal, but it isn't. The Catch 22 of gaming has always been that 3rd parties wait for consoles to sell before they produce games for those consoles, but those games would help sell those consoles the most.

Sadly, Nintendo is relying on a niche game (Nintendoland), a tired concept (NEW SMB U), a game without much of an audience (Pikmin 3), a remake (Wind Waker HD), a niche zombie game (ZombiU), a game that doesn't quite capture the imagination of the audience at large (Mario 3D World), a fitness game (Wii Fit U), and a 2D platform game (DKC Tropical Freeze) to sell its' console thus far.

 

[SuperBrawler]

I'm going to laugh if a random 6th generation Pokémon gets confirmed!!!

Dedenne for Smash!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I feel that there is some bias here.

Pac-Man over Lucario? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah, no.

I'd like to point out that the points you made against Snake were already existent in Brawl and thus invalid.

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[MargnetMan23]

Dedenne for Smash!

**** that **** he would be a pikachu clone!
BARBACLE MASTER RACE!

 

[Louie G.]

a game that doesn't quite capture the imagination of the audience at large (Mario 3D World)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLOKVABfrzw

 

[Pacack]

Quick miscellaneous question:

If there was a single character(s)'s reveal which would build the most anticipatory excitement within you, which character(s) would that be?

By this, I mean personal character favorites that you prefer considerably, not hype-building or promotional characters you expect but are not emotionally invested in. You can decide whichever character you want as your most anticipated, whether a veteran such as Captain Falcon or Ness, or a potential newcomer such as Ridley or Takamaru.

Pac-Man. Any day.

 

[SuperBrawler]

I don't really want any cuts.

 

[Opossum]

This is in response to most of the blatant anti-Chrom comments, but I'll just answer it by quoting John.

What would you base it on=??? Are you gonna steal moves from another better Fire Emblem character instead of Marth=???

In my opinion, Chrom can actually become one of the more unique characters to ever be in Smash. Now, before you call me crazy, let me explain.

Chrom actually has everything he needs to be the series' first true stance-switching character. I'm not talking the everyday transformations that have graced Smash so far, but instead a true stance-switch accessing new moves via a button input. In Fire Emblem Awakening, Chrom promotes to Great Lord, in which he has access to the Falchion sword, as well as lances.

Now, Fire Emblem is a strategy series, and as such, often involves choosing the right weapons to get the job done. This really isn't shown in Smash yet, and this is where Chrom comes in. Basically, his sword stance focuses on durability. In his Sword stance, his weight is increased a bit due to it being a heavier weapon. The sword style itself is basically the lunging attacks shown with some of his sword moves in Awakening. Additionally, Chrom's Falchion in Awakening has an added healing bonus. When using Sol (my current version of his Up Special), Chrom heals a bit if it connects. However, with the Falchion, he heals a bit more than he normally would. However, this stance lacks reach.

That's where the stance change comes in. With the press of Down B, Chrom sheaths Falchion and pulls out a lance (in this case, the Spear from Awakening). With this, Chrom switches his focus to reach. The Spear can reach a lot farther, and Chrom is lighter on his feet. However, he can't heal as much. Additionally, his Side B (Luna, in my case) becomes a projectile attack by him lobbing his spear.

For added kicks and tricks, the switch between weapons would be effortless and mostly lagless. This could allow for some interesting set-ups, and you'll always keep your opponent guessing.


Just my take on how Chrom can be done well.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Quick miscellaneous question:

If there was a single character(s)'s reveal which would build the most anticipatory excitement within you, which character(s) would that be?

By this, I mean personal character favorites that you prefer considerably, not hype-building or promotional characters you expect but are not emotionally invested in. You can decide whichever character you want as your most anticipated, whether a veteran such as Captain Falcon or Ness, or a potential newcomer such as Ridley or Takamaru.

Um, I think either Prince Sable or Geno would make me too hyped for Smash.
The more impossible of a character's chances, the happier I am that they got in.

 

[Johnknight1]

Even if you think that's the best way to go realistically speaking
1. I seriously doubt Sakurai thinks lowly about how he pulled off characters like R.O.B or Pit. And if you have proof of it be my guest.
2. Cutting characters because they didn't turn out well as playables in smash makes no damn sense regardless. **** BOWSER TURNED OUT TERRIBLY! WE BETTER CUT HIM INSTEAD OF TRYING TO MAKE THE EFFORT TO IMPROVE A DESERVING CHARACTER!

Just sayin' =P

1. Mewtwo. I win. He was cut because he was a low priority and his moveset, playstyle, and skillset in Brawl sucked. As for Pit, he got most of his moveset cut, and so did Bowser. Pit seems to have more new moves than returning moves, which to me shows that the Smash Development team thinks Pit's Brawl moveset ended up being a disaster.

2. Going off this, if you fix it or change it entirely, that fixes a lot. HOWEVER, that is a lot more time consuming, expensive, and requires a lot more work and balancing than re-adding characters that already functionally work (like Snake).

3. Stop filling in the blanks and take my words for what they are.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Side note: I hate it when my post gets ignored due to being the last post on the previous page XD

 

[Louie G.]

Pac-Man over Lucario? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah, no.

I'd like to point out that the points you made against Snake were already existent in Brawl and thus invalid.

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I guess.
I just have this gut feeling Snake isn't coming back. I really do. That's my evidence, take it or leave it.

 

[SuperBrawler]

This is in response to most of the blatant anti-Chrom comments, but I'll just answer it by quoting John.




In my opinion, Chrom can actually become one of the more unique characters to ever be in Smash. Now, before you call me crazy, let me explain.

Chrom actually has everything he needs to be the series' first true stance-switching character. I'm not talking the everyday transformations that have graced Smash so far, but instead a true stance-switch accessing new moves via a button input. In Fire Emblem Awakening, Chrom promotes to Great Lord, in which he has access to the Falchion sword, as well as lances.

Now, Fire Emblem is a strategy series, and as such, often involves choosing the right weapons to get the job done. This really isn't shown in Smash yet, and this is where Chrom comes in. Basically, his sword stance focuses on durability. In his Sword stance, his weight is increased a bit due to it being a heavier weapon. The sword style itself is basically the lunging attacks shown with some of his sword moves in Awakening. Additionally, Chrom's Falchion in Awakening has an added healing bonus. When using Sol (my current version of his Up Special), Chrom heals a bit if it connects. However, with the Falchion, he heals a bit more than he normally would. However, this stance lacks reach.

That's where the stance change comes in. With the press of Down B, Chrom sheaths Falchion and pulls out a lance (in this case, the Spear from Awakening). With this, Chrom switches his focus to reach. The Spear can reach a lot farther, and Chrom is lighter on his feet. However, he can't heal as much. Additionally, his Side B (Luna, in my case) becomes a projectile attack by him lobbing his spear.

For added kicks and tricks, the switch between weapons would be effortless and mostly lagless. This could allow for some interesting set-ups, and you'll always keep your opponent guessing.


Just my take on how Chrom can be done well.

The question is: would Sakurai actually do that?

 

[Reznor]

Quick miscellaneous question:

If there was a single character(s)'s reveal which would build the most anticipatory excitement within you, which character(s) would that be?

By this, I mean personal character favorites that you prefer considerably, not hype-building or promotional characters you expect but are not emotionally invested in. You can decide whichever character you want as your most anticipated, whether a veteran such as Captain Falcon or Ness, or a potential newcomer such as Ridley or Takamaru.

Magolor or Waddle Dee and to a lesser extent Dixie or Mewtwo

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Opossum
So you give Chrom 5 movesets instead of adding 5 characters=??? Seems legit.

But realistically, you gotta give me something simple and yet profound for each stance before you even begin to make me consider the other side. I assume what you are saying is essentially how Mega Man's power absorbing works: as different moves instead of the "FIVE CHARACTERS IN ONE!" concept that would drain a roster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLOKVABfrzw

I'm just stating what I feel the general audience feels. I've actually had my opinion swayed on the game, but to most people, it's just Mario 3D Land all over again.

 

[Opossum]

The question is: would Sakurai actually do that?

I don't see why not.

 

[Louie G.]

I'm just stating what I feel the general audience feels. I've actually had my opinion swayed on the game, but to most people, it's just Mario 3D Land all over again.

That's what I thought at first. That's what a lot of people thought.
Then they saw this beautiful trailer. Many opinions were changed.

 

[Chandeelure]

Quick miscellaneous question:

If there was a single character(s)'s reveal which would build the most anticipatory excitement within you, which character(s) would that be?

By this, I mean personal character favorites that you prefer considerably, not hype-building or promotional characters you expect but are not emotionally invested in. You can decide whichever character you want as your most anticipated, whether a veteran such as Captain Falcon or Ness, or a potential newcomer such as Ridley or Takamaru.

Bandana Dee and Bomberman.

 

[TumblrFamous]

It was just a what-if. If it had a five cap, Lucario would be in. Not to mention I'm starting to like the idea of Pac-Man more...I mean...Mario, Sonic, MegaMan and Pac-Man all in the same game at the same time on the same stage...that's a battle of the century waiting to happen between gaming's most iconic figures.

Oh, I certainly agree. And if it was a four slot limit confirmed, I'd give it a 10/10.

I would love to have Pac-Man in the game for one reason and one reason only: nostalgia. Mario, Sonic, Megaman, and Pacman, four of video gaming's biggest icons in a game altogether makes me so excited. But I just don't find 4 3rd parties likely, sadly.

I mean, it is certainly feasible, but I don't know. It could happen, but it could also be very unlikely. I suggest to just wait and see, myself. But I fully agree with your reason for adding Pacman, that's really why he's on my rosters sometimes, for nostalgia.

 

[Mabataki]

You should Chesnaught, Greninja, and Delphox together as another 6th Generation trainer.
Other than that, it's a fine roster.

Well i did that because im personally not a fan of having more than 2 characters per slot. the Pokemon trainers idea was cool but it didnt make sense having all of the Pokemon share the damage percentages

For Rayman i dont even know if we will get 3 3rd party.. but if we do id be alright with Snake coming back too.. or hopefully Knuckles Shadow, or Tails

 

[Morbi]

I'm going to laugh if a random 6th generation Pokémon gets confirmed!!!

It will probably be Goomy.

 

[kingmario92]

I'm convinced no one will get cut, not even Snake (He better NOT get cut)

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I guess.
I just have this gut feeling Snake isn't coming back. I really do. That's my evidence, take it or leave it.

I really like this guy!

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'm going to laugh if a random 6th generation Pokémon gets confirmed!!!

Hawlucha for Smash. We need more luchadors on the roster.

 

[Pacack]

Well i did that because im personally not a fan of having more than 2 characters per slot. the Pokemon trainers idea was cool but it didnt make sense having all of the Pokemon share the damage percentages

For Rayman i dont even know if we will get 3 3rd party.. but if we do id be alright with Snake coming back too.. or hopefully Knuckles Shadow, or Tails

Nice knowing you.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I'm going to laugh if a random 6th generation Pokémon gets confirmed!!!

If a sixth gen pokemon is confirmed, it'd probably be the Kalos Trainer. Or Mega Blaziken.

Imagine Mega Gardevoir in the game. She's one of the few reasons I'm getting the game, she is my favorite Pokemon. Her and Mewtwo.

 

[MargnetMan23]

1. Mewtwo. I win. He was cut because he was a low priority and his moveset, playstyle, and skillset in Brawl sucked. As for Pit, he got most of his moveset cut, and so did Bowser. Pit seems to have more new moves than returning moves, which to me shows that the Smash Development team thinks Pit's Brawl moveset ended up being a disaster.

2. Going off this, if you fix it or change it entirely, that fixes a lot. HOWEVER, that is a lot more time consuming, expensive, and requires a lot more work and balancing than re-adding characters that already functionally work (like Snake).

3. Stop filling in the blanks and take my words for what they are.

1. And is there ANY proof that it was because Sakurai didn't like how his moveset turned out? Geez, I thought it was just because he had somewhat low relevance at the time and got out-prioritized by newcomers and dat 3 time vet! Also Pit got his moveset changed because he wanted to represent stuff from KI:U most likely and I see no reason to suggest otherwise
2. Dude the fact that Sakurai was willing to put the time and effort into changing Bowser up to me communicates that they are PERFECTLY willing to fix movesets like those
3. No comment.

 

[Hotfeet444]

There, no cuts, Lucario's back, and it's now 48 characters so everyone can live happily ever after.