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TheLastJinjo

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Let's not have Mario or Pikachu in Smash because they're not balanced.

I mean, we could have this PERFECT ALL-STAR ROSTER, because all that matters is gameplay, right? :smirk:

RIGHT?! Look at such potential! So many unique characters! Such variety! :rolleyes:
My response if Ninten actually did get into Smash:
 

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EDIT: but Gameplay does take priority first though. For obvious reasons.
Gameplay for the characters is ultimately based on what they do in combat. If they don't do a lot, they can be a clean slate (like Fox and Captain Falcon). If it's all in their DNA, you got it (see Mario and Liugi, although they are kinda sorta Ryu and Ken [dat up B!]; also, Marth and Mewtwo are other good examples). Some characters just have a moveset written out exactly (see: Snake, Lucas, Sawnic, Pikachu, literally everything for the Wii Fit Trainer, lol!).
 

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If patches were like BlazBlue where you can choose which patch or fix you want to play as, that wouldn't be a problem.

Also, if the team knew how to actually balance (aka don't make another Meta Knight, lol!).
I'm not too worried since Namco is on board this time around.
 

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Let's not have Mario or Pikachu in Smash because they're not balanced.

I mean, we could have this PERFECT ALL-STAR ROSTER, because all that matters is gameplay, right? :smirk:

RIGHT?! Look at such potential! So many unique characters! Such variety! :rolleyes:
Doc Louis? Sign me up.

(I do hope he's part of Little Mac's victory poses should he get in at the VERY least)
 

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Gameplay for the characters is ultimately based on what they do in combat. If they don't do a lot, they can be a clean slate (like Fox and Captain Falcon). If it's all in their DNA, you got it (see Mario and Liugi, although they are kinda sorta Ryu and Ken [dat up B!]; also, Marth and Mewtwo are other good examples). Some characters just have a moveset written out exactly (see: Snake, Lucas, Sawnic, Pikachu, literally everything for the Wii Fit Trainer, lol!).
That's not true. You can fix any character on the roster. Meta Knight is too fast in Brawl, but if you slow him down he can still be fast enough to fit his characters. Never will a character be removed because of such painfully minor issues, especially not essential characters like Meta Knight, ROB, and Zelda.

I just hope Ganondorf doesn't get a move set redesing. It fits his character perfectly and the move set is fine how it is. (since I mentioned that, I always wondered why him having C. Falcon's moves was considered "weird". I mean these weren't used by C. Falcon in the actual game and these moves also didn't belong to Ganondorf (entirely.). They originated from Smash and not the canon franchises of Ganondorf or C. Falcon so if anything I think it's weirder that C. Falcon has them than Ganondorf because Ganondorf actually used physical strength in Ocarina.)

Doc Louis? Sign me up.

(I do hope he's part of Little Mac's victory poses should he get in at the VERY least)
Little Mac's entrance will almost definitely be him chasing Doc Louis on the bike.
 

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That's not true. You can fix any character on the roster. Meta Knight is too fast in Brawl, but if you slow him down he can still be fast enough to fit his characters. Never will a character be removed because of such painfully minor issues, especially not essential characters like Meta Knight, ROB, and Zelda.

I just hope Ganondorf doesn't get a move set redesing. It fits his character perfectly and the move set is fine how it is. (since I mentioned that, I always wondered why him having C. Falcon's moves was considered "weird". I mean these weren't used by C. Falcon in the actual game and these moves also didn't belong to Ganondorf (entirely.). They originated from Smash and not the canon franchises of Ganondorf or C. Falcon so if anything I think it's weirder that C. Falcon has them than Ganondorf because Ganondorf actually used physical strength in Ocarina.)



Little Mac's entrance will almost definitely be him chasing Doc Louis on the bike.
This is the first time I have ever heard anybody say that they don't want Ganondorf to get a new move-set. Do you main him?
 

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This is the first time I have ever heard anybody say that they don't want Ganondorf to get a new move-set. Do you main him?
In Melee, yes. Not so much Brawl. I think Ganondorf with a sword or projectiles would be stupid and make him look less strong than he actually is.
 

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I just hope Ganondorf doesn't get a move set redesing. It fits his character perfectly and the move set is fine how it is. (since I mentioned that, I always wondered why him having C. Falcon's moves was considered "weird". I mean these weren't used by C. Falcon in the actual game and these moves also didn't belong to Ganondorf (entirely.). They originated from Smash and not the canon franchises of Ganondorf or C. Falcon so if anything I think it's weirder that C. Falcon has them than Ganondorf because Ganondorf actually used physical strength in Ocarina.)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Falcon Punch originate from the F Zero anime first?

I'd also guess it's because Falcon has become something of a memetic mutation, so it's hard to imagine Falcon NOT doing this. Yes it's odd, but somehow it fits.

Ganondorf meanwhile has been seen doing various things such as throwing balls of dark energy and using dual blades, so people want to see more of that I suppose.

I can't say I disagree with the popular opinion, but I'd be okay with Ganondorf having a mixture of what the majority want and some of his Falcondorf moves.
 

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In Melee, yes. Not so much Brawl. I think Ganondorf with a sword or projectiles would be stupid and make him look less strong than he actually is.
I actually kind of agree. The only reason I wanted him to have a sword back in Melee was because the "challenger approaching" picture had him with his sword. I also mained him in Melee. Not so much in Brawl. I like being a low-tier warrior, but I can't even touch Ganondorf. I wouldn't mind if they discerned some of his specials or normals a little bit. I don't really care too much to be honest.

Edit- Unless we got Toon Ganon. I would want an overhaul. Haha.
 

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What are you guys saying?

Characters = Gameplay.
There's more to characters than gameplay, though.

And being unbalanced is not an excuse to remove a character, but to redesign him/her. Or would you rather have this roster in a game?

I'm pretty sure that if this was the final roster, there would be massive outcry no matter how good the gameplay would be.

Gameplay is important but it's not the sole factor of the roster. You have to strike a balance between popularity and gameplay balance.
 

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In Melee, yes. Not so much Brawl. I think Ganondorf with a sword or projectiles would be stupid and make him look less strong than he actually is.
I think it's more of a matter of keeping him true to his character. I'm not in support of giving him a sword either, we have enough of those characters, make him some kind of combat wizard, someone who can make some dark magic but also punch you hard in the face. Replace Warlock Punch with his Dead Man's Volley projectile, just get rid of Wizard's Foot for anything else, replace his F-Smash with a mini-Warlock Punch, just such changes. I don't want him to get a completely new moveset, he's gotta be somewhat recognizable from his past Smash games, but he also needs to be recognizable from his source games too.
 

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I'm not too worried since Namco is on board this time around.
I just hope they do the patching instead of a random team.
What are you guys saying?

Characters = Gameplay.
No, that characters can create gameplay.
That's not true. You can fix any character on the roster.
I never said otherwise, lol. I just said if push came to shove, this is what I'll do and why.
Little Mac's entrance will almost definitely be him chasing Doc Louis on the bike.
So. Much. Win.
 

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There's more to characters than gameplay, though.

And being unbalanced is not an excuse to remove a character, but to redesign him/her. Or would you rather have this roster in a game?

I'm pretty sure that if this was the final roster, there would be massive outcry no matter how good the gameplay would be.

Gameplay is important but it's not the sole factor of the roster. You have to strike a balance between popularity and gameplay balance.
No, that characters can create gameplay.
You misunderstand what I'm saying.

Gameplay IS character.
 

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There's more to characters than gameplay, though.

And being unbalanced is not an excuse to remove a character, but to redesign him/her. Or would you rather have this roster in a game?

I'm pretty sure that if this was the final roster, there would be massive outcry no matter how good the gameplay would be.

Gameplay is important but it's not the sole factor of the roster. You have to strike a balance between popularity and gameplay balance.
Honestly. I would be content with that roster. It has Tingle and Candy Kong. Two of my favorites EVA.
 

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This is the first time I have ever heard anybody say that they don't want Ganondorf to get a new move-set. Do you main him?
I think if he stayed the way he was in Melee he would be alright.

The only moveset changes i'd be alright with would be his Melee stats, or if they turned him into Toon Ganon and he was a beast with his two swords.
 

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I think if he stayed the way he was in Melee he would be alright.

The only moveset changes i'd be alright with would be his Melee stats, or if they turned him into Toon Ganon and he was a beast with his two swords.
I feel the exact same! Those were the good old days. Toon Ganon would be so epic to me.
 

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There's more to characters than gameplay, though.

And being unbalanced is not an excuse to remove a character, but to redesign him/her. Or would you rather have this roster in a game?
Yes I'd so main keeby right off the bat :awesome: , i'd play ninten, krystal, samus z.s, hmm candy kong wonder what moveset she'll have... that goes for the rest of the cast. paper mario okay... black knight woah lol. omg giygas! yusssss.... the rest i'd use as possible punching bags :p (sorry doggie) all kidding aside i see what ya mean, but to say that characters>gameplay? lol nope. (not directed at you or anyone else really....its directed at the guests! :skull:)
 

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If I thought I knew he made a mistake, I would say "I know." Not "I think." I'm just saying I think Toon Zelda was discontinued for being a dumb character and not because of time constraints. Again, emphasis on the word "think".
Fair enough, but still, where do you get your proof for your suspicions, there has been literally no mention ever of Toon Zelda from Sakurai. With the logic you're using, one could just claim, "I think he was working on Mewtwo, he even got further than most cut characters, but he thought Mewtwo was dumb and just dropped work on him". Seriously, whether a definitive statement or just a thought... some evidence to back up your claims is still kinda... needed, or else you're just presuming based on nothing.
 

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ROB is the biggest camping piece of crap in the universe, as well as probably the worst character in smash history (sans late addition clones in Melee). He's generic, uninspired, and honestly just a campaholic. Honestly if a character was cut, I'd cut ROB. If you've ever been in a 10+ minute long 3 stock match and got timed out against ROB, you know the feels man. You know the feels.

Of course all that can be fixed, but from my viewpoint, I'd rather have back characters who are proven to be fun, balanced, and stand out as unique characters than those who thus far IMO haven't been fun (ROB), balanced (Meta Knight, Zelda on opposite ends), or stand out as unique characters (ROB).
I actually
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So guys if you need to choose between all these retro reps, who will you choose? You can pick three choices.




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Muddy, Lip, F-Type.
Mach Rider was close for third, but who wouldn't love to play as a racecar with eyes!?!??!!
 

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Fair enough, but still, where do you get your proof for your suspicions, there has been literally no mention ever of Toon Zelda from Sakurai. With the logic you're using, one could just claim, "I think he was working on Mewtwo, he even got further than most cut characters, but he thought Mewtwo was dumb and just dropped work on him". Seriously, whether a definitive statement or just a thought... some evidence to back up your claims is still kinda... needed, or else you're just presuming based on nothing.
I am presuming based on nothing. No need to get excited.
 

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Oh whatever. We stretched no info at all into a year of speculation then learning about Namco into another year. Now we're getting characters like every second week and you guys have no interesting things to discuss? FOR SHAME. :troll:
 

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Alright, here's a topic-

How would you react if Jigglypuff is revealed to return on X and Y's release and we get no news of Mewtwo in Smash 4 at all?
 

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What are your views on balance patches via Wii U/3DS updates if they do end up doing them?

Concerns about nerfs?

Worried too many tweaks will be made to the characters that they may end up playing and feeling very different?

Hoping they'll implement these and spend more time on the roster, updating and balancing the roster as time goes on?

Any opinions?

Alright, here's a topic-

How would you react if Jigglypuff is revealed to return on X and Y's release and we get no news of Mewtwo in Smash 4 at all?
Hugely unsurprised. Save Mewtwo for a late 'surprise'. A surprise we've all guessed.

At this point I'll be more surprised if he DOESN'T come back.
 
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Oh whatever. We stretched no info at all into a year of speculation then learning about Namco into another year. Now we're getting characters like every second week and you guys have no interesting things to discuss? FOR SHAME. :troll:
Don't enourage them you.
 

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Alright, here's a topic-

How would you react if Jigglypuff is revealed to return on X and Y's release and we get no news of Mewtwo in Smash 4 at all?
I'd be upset they chose Jiggs of all characters, but it wouldn't make me think any less of the other veterans' chances.

I'm actually not expecting Mewtwo to be the one revealed. If he is (and it's definitely possible) then great! But it could just as easily by the Trainer or Lucario imo.
 

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Alright, here's a topic-

How would you react if Jigglypuff is revealed to return on X and Y's release and we get no news of Mewtwo in Smash 4 at all?
i would be happy
we all know Mewtwo is going to be in but we don't really know if Jiggs is in
yes this is me assuming things but what ever :cool:
 
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Alright, here's a topic-

How would you react if Jigglypuff is revealed to return on X and Y's release and we get no news of Mewtwo in Smash 4 at all?
I woul be indifferent enjoying the ****storm that will surely ensue as fanboys start to whine about how Mewtwo is deconfirmed, eating popcorn while I watch N3ON, Falkoopa, and Venus struggle to keep everyone from losing their ****.

 
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