Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[BluePikmin11]

New "5 cut" "45-character" roster:

I put Shulk there as a redeemer..
What if this was the final roster?

 

[Johnknight1]

If that was the final roster, it would suck. That is one of the worst rosters I've seen in a while.

Like 2/10 suck.

First off, why cut Lucario and Lucas=??? I know Lucas and Lucario had Lucas weren't the hottest characters in Brawl, but their potential is off the charts.

Cutting Falco (who has been amazing 2 games in a row) and Snake (who IMO changed smash forever in Brawl with his incredibly unique style) to boot just looks awful, especially for characters that wouldn't work like that stupid Dr., Harry (who the hell is that, and remind me why no one cares=???), and not adding a true random-ish retro character (umm, Sukapon? Mach Rider? Starman? Mike Jones?).

Second off, not another Diddy/Dixie team. That's just a terrible idea.

Third off, Chrom probably isn't happening, and Anna has literally no chance at being playable.

On top of that, you had them replace Ike, who is a much better playable character to the point where it isn't even debatable. The amount of people who want Chrom and especially Anna compared to Ike in Smash Wii U and 3DS is so minor, that it is like comparing Mewtwo support to Pidgey support (especially with Anna).

That is literally one of the dumbest moves a person can make when making a roster.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Diddy/Dixie works like Samus/ZSS.
So really the moveset for Diddy hasn't changed, it's just that you have to use the Final Smash to switch into Dixie.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

If that was the final roster, it would suck. That is one of the worst rosters I've seen in a while.

First off, why cut Lucario=???

Second off, not another Diddy/Dixie team. That's just a terrible idea.

Third off, Chrom probably isn't happening, and Anna has literally no chance at being playable.

Chrom's the main character of the recent FE game and the game whose success saved the entire series from being discontinued. You're really underestimating his chances.

And on the subject of what Chrom's chant should be, what about "Chrom's our Mom!"

 

[YoshiandToad]

New "5 cut" "45-character" roster:

I put Shulk there as a redeemer..
What if this was the final roster?

Not too bad in my opinion:

Anna is growing on me, even though I'd still rather see about three other more likely candidates before her(Roy, Ike and Robin/Tactician/MyUnit) but from a character who will most likely be included in all future titles, I understand why this may be a smarter move.

See you dropped Falco before Wolf. Plus points for me, but that's personal preference.

Still not convinced on Dr. Kawashima. I prefer him to your other wackier choices though(Nintendog, Mr. Hanafuda) although honestly I'd prefer if you went with Prince Sable from your personal picks.

Harry, whilst from a period Nintendo would rather forget, seems like a good oddball choice. I know a lot disagree, but he's at least a nice out there character.

I also don't think Kid Icarus needs a second character, but I'm aware I'm in the minority seeing as Palutena is the 5th most popular candidate on this site(after Mewtwo, Ridley, K. Rool and Little Mac).

Probably my favourite of your rosters so far!

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Chrom is cool, but leaving Ike out is a terrible decision.

 

[Johnknight1]

If you want to cut characters, cut bad ones like ROB or Meta Knight. Heck, if she wasn't the title character in her franchise, I'd say Zelda too. But hey, seeing as how Sawnic, Pit, and Bowser were already confirmed, I doubt that's going to be too much of an issue!

Also, that's not 45 characters. I don't care what anyone says, but transformations like ZSS and Sheik count, as do each Pokémon of the Pokémon Trainers (as individual characters). Even Sakurai himself believes that.

Diddy/Dixie works like Samus/ZSS.
So really the moveset for Diddy hasn't changed, it's just that you have to use the Final Smash to switch into Dixie.

Why not just separate them=??? Keep Diddy's final smash and give Dixie a guitar or something.

Chrom's the main character of the recent FE game and the game whose success saved the entire series from being discontinued. You're really underestimating his chances.

He's not getting in over Ike, sorry. I don't care what anyone says on that, because Ike was one of the 5 or so most popular newcomers, and unlike Meta Knight, it wasn't because he was ban-worthy broken (he was actually pretty well balanced IMO).

Also, my chances talk were in reference to Anna, who will never, ever, ever be playable in Smash Bros. Like ever.

 

[Deleted member]

Cut R.O.B., Meta Knight, or Zelda but no one dare cut Ike or Snake?

Have you been taking my vodka soda, Johnny Boy?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Johnknight, I wasn't referring to his chances of replacing Ike, but his chances of getting into this game in general.

Also, no to the idea of ROB getting cut.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I'm a Chrom supporter, but even i'd be upset if Chrom completely replaced Ike, and Ike was left out.

Plus i'm really starting not to care about what happens seeing as though Sonic and Toon Link are back. The only other veterans that are boner worthy for me at this point are Snake and Ike. Otherwise I don't really care.

 

[Reznor]

If you want to cut characters, cut bad ones like ROB or Meta Knight.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Johnknight1: "Transformations count as characters"
Everyone Else: "No they don't"

I prefer to count it as 45.

 

[N3ON]

Johnknight1: "Transformations count as characters"
Everyone Else: "No they don't"

I prefer to count it as 45.

Transformations count as characters. So says the word of God Sakurai.

It doesn't really matter though, I say my roster has 48 characters when really it has... 53. Hmm, that seems kinda high. :/
Might go change something.

 

[Seraphim.]

R.O.B is a pretty important character.

 

[NickerBocker]

New "5 cut" "45-character" roster:

I put Shulk there as a redeemer..
What if this was the final roster?

I dont agree with the Lucario cut. He does have a chance of leaving, but if they are going to eliminate a pokemon character, I have the feeling it will be Pokemon Trainer.

Its not that Pkmn trnr is "uncool" or "irrelevant" its the opposite, but Sakurai has said himself that creating a character like this with 3 changable movesets is difficult. You have to make 3 characters,plus balance them with eachother and other roster members, so the dev time on him is alot.

If time is limiting the roster size, not including this character makes more sense. Eliminating one character instead of 3 or 4 makes alot of sense and will provide much more room for growth then cutting Lucario

But thats just my opinion.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Most of the people in Smashboards don't really go with the transformation count logic.
But anyways my roster has 45 characters with 4 transformations included, I think it's quite realistic enough.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I really don't think any character on the Brawl roster needs to be cut.

The only one who I think may is Snake. Falco, Ike, Jigglypuff and Lucas can basically stay too. I think Snake will be back though considering he was the first 3rd party yadda yadda...

 

[BluePikmin11]

R.O.B is a pretty important character.

Yeah that's why I think he's staying.

 

[Frostwraith]

Cutting R.O.B., Meta Knight and Zelda because of their movesets... What the **** happened to game balance anyway?

These three should return and can be re-balanced like any other character. One doesn't need to be a genius to understand this.

 

[Morbi]

I dont agree with the Lucario cut. He does have a chance of leaving, but if they are going to eliminate a pokemon character, I have the feeling it will be Pokemon Trainer.

Its not that Pkmn trnr is "uncool" or "irrelevant" its the opposite, but Sakurai has said himself that creating a character like this with 3 changable movesets is difficult. You have to make 3 characters,plus balance them with eachother and other roster members, so the dev time on him is alot.

If time is limiting the roster size, not including this character makes more sense. Eliminating one character instead of 3 or 4 makes alot of sense and will provide much more room for growth then cutting Lucario

But thats just my opinion.

Let me spell it out for people. How you balance Mario (anyone on the roster minus Zelda/Sheik and maybe ZSS and Samus).
Mario against the roster.

How you balance Pokemon Trainer
Squirtle-Ivysaur
Squirtle-Charizard
Ivysaur-Charizard
Squirtle-Ivysaur-Charizard

Squirtle-Roster (39)
Ivysaur-Roster (39)
Charizard-Roster (39)
Pokemon Trainer-Roster (39)

That is 3x the balancing initially. Not to mention you have to match all 3 against the roster and collectively match Pokemon Trainer against the roster. This isn't even getting into difficult models like Charizard or mechanics such as the fatigue/stamina mechanic or the battle switch/death switch mechanic. Pokemon Trainer also floats around in the background. Could it be a problem on the 3ds? Probably not, but it will complicate things.

 

[jaytalks]

I think Sakurai's distinction has more to do with recognizing the work of his team. Remember the context by which he brought it up. It was during an interview where he corrected the interviewer on how many characters were in Brawl.

So we can count slots, just remember how the development team sees that more broadly.

 

[Morbi]

I think Sakurai's distinction has more to do with recognizing the work of his team. Remember the context by which he brought it up. It was during an interview where he corrected the interviewer on how many characters were in Brawl.

So we can count slots, just remember how the development team sees that more broadly.

Developing a character is developing a character. Regardless of how anyone views it. Time and effort go into each character. I already know you are pretty passive about this. However, I have to disagree. We can't just count slots, that would be fallacious. What if every single character on the roster became a transformation character? Would we complain about only 15 playable slots? That wouldn't make any sense.

 

[Chandeelure]

Opinions?

I know Bomberman is a weird choice.

 

[Gune]

New "5 cut" "45-character" roster:

I put Shulk there as a redeemer..
What if this was the final roster?

Needs more Lucario.

 

[Morbi]

Opinions?

I know Bomberman is a weird choice.

There is nothing really wrong with the roster. You already noted the Bomberman choice. Obviously I think it will be Snake over Bomberman. Snake IS Bomberman, just less flamboyant. Things I would personally change are just preference.

Bowser Jr. swap for Toad
Chrom swap for Roy
Takamaru swap for any other retro

I might even tack on an F-Zero rep. I don't think we will get one. However, Goroh or Black Shadow would be so cool. Long overdue.

 

[Johnknight1]

Cut R.O.B., Meta Knight, or Zelda but no one dare cut Ike or Snake?

Have you been taking my vodka soda, Johnny Boy?

No, I care about gameplay more than stupid fanboyistic bullcrap that is routinely spouted here. You all can talk about "muh poularity." I'll talk about gameplay, because I PLAY the GAME, unlike probably most of the people here who have spent more time expressing their hopes of their random favorite character being playable in a future smash game.

As for the characters... Zelda so far has been a worthless addition because she is practically unplayable to where she can be competitive in both Melee and Brawl (sans modding). As it stands, her current moveset is terrible, and her playstyle and skillset is super limited and hurts the brain with how limited it is. Of course all of that can be fixed fortunately, but still, I'd rather have Ike than Zelda because I can't see Ike's moveset not working.

ROB is the biggest camping piece of crap in the universe, as well as probably the worst character in smash history (sans late addition clones in Melee). He's generic, uninspired, and honestly just a campaholic. Honestly if a character was cut, I'd cut ROB. If you've ever been in a 10+ minute long 3 stock match and got timed out against ROB, you know the feels man. You know the feels.

Meta Knight seems destined to always be broken, given that he's strong, fast, and kills. I mean, could you imagine him with spikes=??? That'd be ridiculous.

Of course all that can be fixed, but from my viewpoint, I'd rather have back characters who are proven to be fun, balanced, and stand out as unique characters than those who thus far IMO haven't been fun (ROB), balanced (Meta Knight, Zelda on opposite ends), or stand out as unique characters (ROB).

 

[BluePikmin11]

But Sakurai doesn't view this the Smash Bros. series as competitive, right? I really doubt he'll cut anyone just because of a crappy moveset.

 

[FalKoopa]

Oh, shut up John.

You'd probably get rid of Mario if he were low-tier.

 

[Zhadgon]

So guys if you need to choose between all these retro reps, who will you choose? You can pick three choices.

.n_n.

 

[FalKoopa]

The list needs more Donbe and Hikari.

 

[Morbi]

So guys if you need to choose between all these retro reps, who will you choose? You can pick three choices.

.n_n.

1. Sheriff
2. Mach Rider
3. Balloon Fighter

They are the only retro characters I really know or love. Not to mention Sheriffs .44's. That would be sick.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

Eternal Darkness?
Kuru Kuru Kururin?

How are they Retro?

 

[8-peacock-8]

No, I care about gameplay more than stupid fanboyistic bullcrap that is routinely spouted here. You all can talk about "muh poularity." I'll talk about gameplay, because I PLAY the GAME, unlike probably most of the people here who have spent more time expressing their hopes of their random favorite character being playable in a future smash game.

Despite the fact that popularity/importance to a series in an ALL STAR crossover fighting game and gameplay are both equal when it comes to this game. Competitive or not not. Just sayin.

EDIT: but Gameplay does take priority first though. For obvious reasons.

 

[Zhadgon]

Eternal Darkness?
Kuru Kuru Kururin?

How are they Retro?

More than 10 years without a game XD, I´m feeling old.
.n_n.

 

[YoshiandToad]

So guys if you need to choose between all these retro reps, who will you choose? You can pick three choices.

.n_n.

Dog + Duck, Lip and....either Donbe+Hikari, DK Jr or Balloon Fighter I guess. I'm surprisingly indifferent to retros outside of Duck Hunt Dog and Lip.

Doshin being on the list surprised me, but he is two gens old now I guess.

 

[Morbi]

Despite the fact that popularity/importance to a series in an ALL STAR crossover fighting game and gameplay are both equal when it comes to this game. Competitive or not not. Just sayin.

I have to agree with Jon. The gampelay is the most important. However, I don't agree with cutting R.O.B or Zelda. I HATE R.O.B more than ANYONE on the roster, however, his zoning style isn't really prevalent in Smash. He offers something that only Samus can really match. Samus is also bottom. Zelda, being one of the only transformation characters, is a necessity. Her move-set is unique. There are no problems with her. I actually really enjoy playing as her.

 

[Zhadgon]

The list needs more Donbe and Hikari.

If you look closely you can see that there is Donbe and Hikari.
.n_n.

 

[Reznor]

No, I care about gameplay more than stupid fanboyistic bullcrap that is routinely spouted here. You all can talk about "muh poularity." I'll talk about gameplay, because I PLAY the GAME, unlike probably most of the people here who have spent more time expressing their hopes of their random favorite character being playable in a future smash game.

its a nintendo allstar game characters are pretty dang important also we have almost no info on gameplay what else are we gonna talk about

As for the characters... Zelda so far has been a worthless addition because she is practically unplayable to where she can be competitive in both Melee and Brawl (sans modding). As it stands, her current moveset is terrible, and her playstyle and skillset is super limited and hurts the brain with how limited it is. Of course all of that can be fixed fortunately, but still, I'd rather have Ike than Zelda because I can't see Ike's moveset not working.

not every one is a competitive player also its an opinion if shes fun or not

ROB is the biggest camping piece of crap in the universe, as well as probably the worst character in smash history (sans late addition clones in Melee). He's generic, uninspired, and honestly just a campaholic. Honestly if a character was cut, I'd cut ROB. If you've ever been in a 10+ minute long 3 stock match and got timed out against ROB, you know the feels man. You know the feels.

camping is something in every fighting game its just another way to play (an annoying one) and like i said opinions

Meta Knight seems destined to always be broken, given that he's strong, fast, and kills. I mean, could you imagine him with spikes=??? That'd be ridiculous.

I doubt they were thinking of the competitive player when they balanced brawl but they can fix MK

Of course all that can be fixed, but from my viewpoint, I'd rather have back characters who are proven to be fun, balanced, and stand out as unique characters than those who thus far IMO haven't been fun (ROB), balanced (Meta Knight, Zelda on opposite ends), or stand out as unique characters (ROB).

its cool if ya don't like MK and R.O.B but you gotta stop acting like opinions are facts (well you don't have to )

 

[Cheezey Bites]

More than 10 years without a game XD, I´m feeling old.
.n_n.

When did it turn October 2014?
Eternal Darkness I can accept if that's your criteria (though I feel you're being too harsh), but Kururin Squash was released less than 9 years ago.

 

[Morbi]

If you look closely you can see that there is Donbe and Hikari.
.n_n.

I missed Duck Hunt Dog because the picture was so unfamiliar. Haha. The only reason I even know about Donbe and Hikari is because of the trophy in Melee.