Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[FlareHabanero]

Huh, a lot of Genesect distaste. How weird.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Guys, question time:

Blaziken. Thoughts?

Would somewhat be a semi-clone of Falcon for some reason. Plus, he should've been in Brawl over Jiggly, so doubtful at this point. Would be nice though

I know I'm a little late but...

Blaziken > Genesect
Mewtwo > Genesect
Jigglypuff > Genesect
Lucario > Genesect

Fix'd

Speaking of characters and voice actors, do you think that Marth will have an English voice this time, since one of his games has been released outside of Japan?

I know that there was a FE OVA that was cancelled after 2 episodes that had an English dub. In fact, Marth's Smash voice is done by the same VA that did the anime voice (in Japanese). I did some research and found out that who voiced Marth in that OVA in English was Spike Spencer, who worked on Fire Emblem: Awakening as the voice of Excellus (that creepy mage villain that looks like a woman who serves Walhart).

I'm fine with either. However, at least keep his Melee taunt in Japanese

 

[Louie G.]

I don't know, at this point, Genesect is just a bit more likely than Zoroark.
Not that either will happen, but Genesect is in the movie.

 

[Zhadgon]

Yes please.

Ridley? Check.
K. Rool? Check.
Mewtwo? Check.
Sonic and Snake? Check.
Ike? Check.
Jigglypuff > Lucario? Check.

The setup is kind of odd, seems like some series like Donkey Kong are flipped backwards, and I'm not sure why Luigi is seperated from the rest of the Mario cast. Consistency is the key when organizing your roster, if you make one series go from right to left in importance, like you did with Zelda, all series have to abide by that rule, else it'll come off as a big chaos.

I'm also not too happy with Pac-Man and Mii, but hey, it's the rumor, and I have them on my own roster too, so yeah.

I personally don't mind the cuts very much. I wouldn't cut Lucario before Ike personally, I just find Lucario more likely even if Ike is one of my mains. Still, I don't like playing either Wolf or Lucario, and Lucas is okay but Ness is da bess.

Btw, extra points for Shulk and Roy.

Great roster, would be extremely satisfied with this. Maybe a bit too much on the dreamy side, but hey, that's what we're doing around here.

My roster is organized from inside to the outside if you look closely you can see that in the middle part are the important series for Nintendo like Mario, DK, Kirby, Fox, etc., and the second characters as like the villains and the romantic interest are more in the outside of figure. Thats why they are divided in two parts one from left to right and one from right to left all from the middle like a butterfly XD.

Yeah I think at least the rumor could be 60% true I mean the inclusion of WFT, Villager and Mega Man into the roster is complete out of the mind in that for everyone, so yeah I believe it.

With Ike I think he should stay, he has unique moveset, he is only one of the two currently characters representing the Fire Emblem series and if you compare it to Lucario you have the problem that Lucario is competing with four other characters to get a spot, putting him in a tight situation, so that why I cut Lucario (in fact i cut him for Mewtwo no for Roy).

And yeah I think with the current rumors, fan demand for some characters and tight spot for new characters that seem Sakurai will not add that many to the main roster because of what he say in the interviews, the roster I´m showing would be really complete, or at least I think so.

.n_n.

 

[Seraphim.]

Speaking of characters and voice actors, do you think that Marth will have an English voice this time, since one of his games has been released outside of Japan?

I know that there was a FE OVA that was cancelled after 2 episodes that had an English dub. In fact, Marth's Smash voice is done by the same VA that did the anime voice (in Japanese). I did some research and found out that who voiced Marth in that OVA in English was Spike Spencer, who worked on Fire Emblem: Awakening as the voice of Excellus (that creepy mage villain that looks like a woman who serves Walhart).

I would prefer it if Marth stays speaking Japanese, it would just feel weird if he had an English voice this time around.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Uh, okay? If you already know all of that, why do you still say he's such an important part of Nintendo's history?
First Nintendo Character, First Miyamoto Character.

Well no, I said that there is nothing to benefit from adding him because the character is incredibly insignificant and doesn't seem to add much to the roster.
Incredibly insignificant?

Surprise characters are not limited to being retro, I mean did you seriously expect Wii Fit Trainer? Of course not, nobody did.
Did I say they were? No, I said he'd be a good surprise retro character that wasn't NES.

I SUPPOSE you have a point there with the names, but Sheriff still isn't the first Nintendo character. Please stop saying he is.
Why? Then who is the first Nintendo character? Please stop saying he isn't.

If that is the case, what makes the Arcade out prioritize the Gameboy? Or the Super Nintendo? Or even the Virtual Boy? At least those are actual Nintendo consoles and would fit more into Nintendo's history, being directly related to the company.
Because we yet to have a character that solely represents the arcade. The other ones you keep mentioning simply had a few arcade games, but represent other parts of history such as the DK Country series or Super Mario series. I guess we didn't need an NES retro like Sakurai wanted because Mario is an NES retro.

If you keep pushing your ideas into other peoples' heads you start to push people into disliking you. You got to that point when you first joined the forum, so you've only got yourself to blame for that.
Yes, I'm the only one who does that. I should be the only one criticized for it regardless of not intending it. You're all perfect and never do this. Here is how it works: When one person shoves his opinion into you're face, it's okay as long as people agree with the opinion. But, if people defend their opinion and don't give into yours it's considered being the bad guy.

Of course that is implying King Kong had anything to do with Donkey Kong outside of the lawsuit.
Like DK being an ape and being called Donkey Kong.

Oh yes, certainly.
The previously debunked First Nintendo character is suddenly not obscure because of three minor cameos.
Debunked? Because Nintendo and Sakurai came out and issued a statement about how they don't give a **** about Sheriff and Sakurai never had any interest in this part of Nintendo history and doesn't want to revive him like he does with Smash Characters.

I'm not sure if you understand the meaning of obscure. Because if you literally think I could just a random person with any general video game knowledge who the Sheriff is and expect them to respond with "That Nintendo character from that arcade game" you are seriously mistaken.
Not Obscure =/= Not as obscure as you described

That doesn't mean I support Popeye or a Hanafuda styled character, but they sure as hell make a lot more sense than the Sheriff.
Yes, Ariand! A Cartoon Character and a peice of paper make more sense to be in Smash than the first Nintendo Character. Even if Sheriff was the most worthless Nintendo Character ever on Virtual Boy it would make more sense than a cartoon character and a card game.

If you're going to resort to the description of a collectable item from Melee (A game released in 2001) as a reason to explain why Sheriff is important in 2012, I think we're done here.
Did I say it made him important today? No, stop assuming. I posted this because it proves he's not incredibly unimportant overall as you keep claiming.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I don't know, at this point, Genesect is just a bit more likely than Zoroark.
Not that either will happen, but Genesect is in the movie.

It's not that Genesect isn't more likely than Zoroark, it's just that I, along with some others, prefer Zoroark over Genesect. From what I've heard, read and seen of the new Pokemon Movie, Genesect is possibly one of the weakest villain pokemon I've seen in the movies with possibly the quickest revelation. It wasn't subtle like Mewtwo was with his whole island, cloning pokemon and the like, he and his friends just decided to mess up a city for ****s and giggles. It's not a character where I can say "Yeah, I can relate to that, this character has an understanding personality." It's not like Zoroark, who was determined and cared so much for her child that she practically DIED trying to get him back. It's not like the other pokemon who give their lives in Pokemon movies to "Save the world" or "Save the City", it was that she gave her own life out of the love for her own child, and to be honest, it was probably the most noble sacrifice in the Pokemon Movie series.

But then again, that's just me, and I'll easily say that with all the torture she went through, I'd easily pick Zoroark over Genesect. And even without the movie, Zoroark is my favorite Gen 5 pokemon and one of my all-time favorite pokemon in general as I love Dark types, but again, that's just me.

Edit: I'm being sincere by the way as I say that Zoroark's death scene is one of the very few times I've ever cried during a movie, and I don't just mean pokemon movies.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

To quote on Saturn's statement on Hanafuda characters, they were the first products to ever be made by Nintendo.

So Hanafuda does have a good impact on Nintendo to warrant a character of some sort.

Hanafuda is not a video game and Sheriff was the first actual character for Nintendo.

I forgot to post something

there are arcade games on the virtual console
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Virtual_Console_games_for_Wii_(North_America)
you might say "but no arcade nintendo games are on the virtual console" well the good arcade games became NES games which are on the virtual console

Sheriff didn't become NES, and you're asking why he wasn't on it when there are no Nintendo Arcade games.

 

[Reznor]

Hanafuda is not a video game and Sheriff was the first actual character for Nintendo.



Sheriff didn't become NES, and you're asking why he wasn't on it when there are no Nintendo Arcade games.

im saying there are no nintendo arcade games on the list is because all the arcade games that nintendo made became NES (well the successful ones)

Sheriff wasn't popular enough to become a NES game why would he be popular enough to be in Smash

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

The first Nintendo character is some horse jockey, I believe. Sheriff was the first character to be given a name, though. (Jack the sheriff)

I guess it depends on what really makes a character, though. Would the horse jockey be considered a proper character?

Speaking of characters and voice actors, do you think that Marth will have an English voice this time, since one of his games has been released outside of Japan?

I know that there was a FE OVA that was cancelled after 2 episodes that had an English dub. In fact, Marth's Smash voice is done by the same VA that did the anime voice (in Japanese). I did some research and found out that who voiced Marth in that OVA in English was Spike Spencer, who worked on Fire Emblem: Awakening as the voice of Excellus (that creepy mage villain that looks like a woman who serves Walhart).

I made a thread about alternate character voices a few months ago, but I can't find it when I click on "Find all threads by Rebellious Treecko". Huh.

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[kingmario92]

YAAAAAAY SHERIFF

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Sheriff wasn't popular enough to become a NES game why would he be popular enough to be in Smash

Because you have to be popular to get in Smash, ammirite?

 

[kingmario92]

Because you have to be popular to get in Smash, ammirite?

Yes

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Yes

Were the Ice Climbers popular or well-known before Melee?

Also, I thought you were Hotfeet for a second because of your Shantae avatar.

 

[Deleted member]

Guys...

I think I might have discovered a clue to how many newcomers we will have.

Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX2KNyaoNV4&list=PLA1lIms2gwaDnOFGXUXtLj8KW5A4qNiKI

It's Megaman's trailer on youtube. This particular video is on the SmashBrosChannel.

Now we can only see four videos. Being the three character trailers and the Nintendo Direct.

It says that the channel has 15 videos though. Any attempt to investigate the channel further results in a link to Nintendo's main page.

What do you guys think?

3 videos
5 different region versions

3 X 5 = 15.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Because we all know Sakurai has no interest in obscure parts of Nintendo history. If he hasn't done something before, he never will

 

[Swamp Sensei]

3 videos
5 different region versions

3 X 5 = 15.

 

[Arcanir]

It's not that Genesect isn't more likely than Zoroark, it's just that I, along with some others, prefer Zoroark over Genesect. From what I've heard, read and seen of the new Pokemon Movie, Genesect is possibly one of the weakest villain pokemon I've seen in the movies with possibly the quickest revelation. It wasn't subtle like Mewtwo was with his whole island, cloning pokemon and the like, he and his friends just decided to mess up a city for ****s and giggles. It's not a character where I can say "Yeah, I can relate to that, this character has an understanding personality." It's not like Zoroark, who was determined and cared so much for her child that she practically DIED trying to get him back. It's not like the other pokemon who give their lives in Pokemon movies to "Save the world" or "Save the City", it was that she gave her own life out of the love for her own child, and to be honest, it was probably the most noble sacrifice in the Pokemon Movie series.

But then again, that's just me, and I'll easily say that with all the torture she went through, I'd easily pick Zoroark over Genesect. And even without the movie, Zoroark is my favorite Gen 5 pokemon and one of my all-time favorite pokemon in general as I love Dark types, but again, that's just me.

There was a better reason to attacking New Tork City. They were temporal fishes out of water, they had no home and don't know where they belonged and tried to rebuild it in the place that closest resembled it.

Having said that, I agree that Genesect wasn't that great a villain, at least from what I've heard. He reaches his revelation too early, the other Genesect aside from the Douse Drive one aren't really that developed and it falls flat in trying to re-convey the clone storyline of Mewtwo fame along with the "temporal fish out of water" character arc. I still like Genesect, but it seems the movie won't be another reason for it.

 

[Frostwraith]

Huh, if only popularity was Sheriff's problem...

Do you want Sheriff? More like: Do you want a bland, generic and uninspired character?

At least, Ice Climbers had enough quirks to be made into a unique duo character, which stands out from the other characters. Tell me, how does a generic cowboy with a generic name and design stands out from the cast? Only if it stands out due to his sheer blandess, because I don't see anything in him that would make him appealing.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Hanafuda is not a video game and Sheriff was the first actual character for Nintendo.



Sheriff didn't become NES, and you're asking why he wasn't on it when there are no Nintendo Arcade games.

Hanafuda also appeared in Nintendo games also:
http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/Hanafuda

The following are a list of video games with Hanafuda in them in one form or another.

• 1500DS Spirits Vol. 5: Hanafuda - Nintendo DS (Japan only)
• 64 Hanafuda: Tenshi no Yakusoku - Nintendo 64 (Japan only)
• Clubhouse Games - Nintendo DS
• Hanafuda - Super Famicom (Japan only)
• Hanfuda Ou - Super Famicom (Japan only)
• Hanafuda Trump Mahjong: Depachika Wayounaka - Game Boy Advance(Japan only)
• Honkaku Hanafuda GB - Game Boy Color (Japan only)
• Karan Koron Gakuen: Hanafuda - Mahjong - Game Boy Color (Japan only)
• Pocket Hanafuda - Game Boy Color (Japan only)
• Super Hanafuda - Super Famicom (Japan only)
• Super Hanafuda 2 - Super Famicom (Japan only)

There was even Mario Hanafuda cards on Club Nintendo to state its importance of Nintendo's beginning.

 

[Louie G.]

Hey, I'm back.
We're talking about Sheriff?
Good idea, but I prefer Diskun.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Huh, if only popularity was Sheriff's problem...

Do you want Sheriff? More like: Do you want a bland, generic and uninspired character?

At least, Ice Climbers had enough quirks to be made into a unique duo character, which stands out from the other characters. Tell me, how does a generic cowboy with a generic name and design stands out from the cast? Only if it stands out due to his sheer blandess, because I don't see anything in him that would make him appealing.

All I can say is with all this talk of Sheriff...I want a Ninja and a Pirate now....

 

[BluePikmin11]

Huh, if only popularity was Sheriff's problem...

Do you want Sheriff? More like: Do you want a bland, generic and uninspired character?

At least, Ice Climbers had enough quirks to be made into a unique duo character, which stands out from the other characters. Tell me, how does a generic cowboy with a generic name and design stands out from the cast? Only if it stands out due to his sheer blandess, because I don't see anything in him that would make him appealing.

Just comparing him to Nintendog, sigh..

 

[Frostwraith]

All I can say is with all this talk of Sheriff...I want a Ninja and a Pirate now....

Takamaru and Tetra? Granted, Takamaru is a samurai, but it's close enough.

Regarding Sheriff, he could be one of those sprite based Assist Trophies like Lakitu and Advance Wars in Brawl.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Huh, if only popularity was Sheriff's problem...

Do you want Sheriff? More like: Do you want a bland, generic and uninspired character?

At least, Ice Climbers had enough quirks to be made into a unique duo character, which stands out from the other characters. Tell me, how does a generic cowboy with a generic name and design stands out from the cast? Only if it stands out due to his sheer blandess, because I don't see anything in him that would make him appealing.

I think it's more so that game that stands out.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Noah's pushing for Sheriff again? Jesus, he's a broken record. Hey, you people that said we're getting nowhere with the Sheriff topic? There's the reason why. Right there. A child who will not stop throwing a tantrum over a character he wants simply because we don't agree with him. Don't blame the thread for not being able to get past this, blame the one guy shoving it down our throats like the next SmashChu.

I really think it'd be nice if for once we had a mod who'd be willing to referee the subject instead of come on the thread after the fact just to dab our noses in the crap that was already long started. Noah isn't shutting up about this until someone makes him.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Takamaru and Tetra? Granted, Takamaru is a samurai, but it's close enough.

It's more out of spite for the Cowboy support, but I guess that works.

 

[Louie G.]

Do you want Sheriff? More like: Do you want a bland, generic and uninspired character?

Yeah, sure, I want Chrom.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Sheriff Discussion?

BRB gonna get some popcorn and a soda.

 

[Frostwraith]

I think it's more so that game that stands out.

How does that game stand out anyway? It's pretty much your run-of-the-mill arcade shooting game from the late 70's and the whole Eighties.

The Sheriff's design is nothing more than your everyday cowboy from countless Wild West movies. In other words, it's uninspired and as generic as it can get.

These kind of characters are not what Sakurai is looking for.

 

[Xhampi]

All I can say is with all this talk of Sheriff...I want a Ninja and a Pirate now....

Ridley is a pirate and can turn invisible, he is also a dragon, and the leader of an army...in space.

 

[Gune]

Snip

Every time you gush about that movie you make me wanna like Zoroark, your confuseing my lucario fanboy brain....

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Noah's pushing for Sheriff again? Jesus, he's a broken record. Hey, you people that said we're getting nowhere with the Sheriff topic? There's the reason why. Right there. A child who will not stop throwing a tantrum over a character he wants simply because we don't agree with him. Don't blame the thread for not being able to get past this, blame the one guy shoving it down our throats like the next SmashChu.

I really think it'd be nice if for once we had a mod who'd be willing to referee the subject instead of come on the thread after the fact just to dab our noses in the crap that was already long started. Noah isn't shutting up about this until someone makes him.

Disagreeing =/= Shoving down your throat.

Shoving stuff down your throat and acting like a child throwing a tantrum is when you start ******** and ******** that people don't agree with you and start telling them to shut up for having an opinion. A good example of that would be this post:

Noah's pushing for Sheriff again? Jesus, he's a broken record. Hey, you people that said we're getting nowhere with the Sheriff topic? There's the reason why. Right there. A child who will not stop throwing a tantrum over a character he wants simply because we don't agree with him. Don't blame the thread for not being able to get past this, blame the one guy shoving it down our throats like the next SmashChu.

I really think it'd be nice if for once we had a mod who'd be willing to referee the subject instead of come on the thread after the fact just to dab our noses in the crap that was already long started. Noah isn't shutting up about this until someone makes him.

We will talk about whatever the **** we want and support whatever the **** we want. Got a problem then **** off.

 

[Reznor]

Because you have to be popular to get in Smash, ammirite?

yes becaudse evry character in smash was/is popular
Ice Climbers was a very popular NES game
Sheriff was never that popular and isn't important to nintendo's history

Yeah, sure, I want Chrom.

would be funny if we don't get a new FE rep

 

[TumblrFamous]

So, any topic other than Sheriff? Zelda, roster size, anything?

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Noah's pushing for Sheriff again? Jesus, he's a broken record. Hey, you people that said we're getting nowhere with the Sheriff topic? There's the reason why. Right there. A child who will not stop throwing a tantrum over a character he wants simply because we don't agree with him. Don't blame the thread for not being able to get past this, blame the one guy shoving it down our throats like the next SmashChu.

I really think it'd be nice if for once we had a mod who'd be willing to referee the subject instead of come on the thread after the fact just to dab our noses in the crap that was already long started. Noah isn't shutting up about this until someone makes him.

I'm masturbating violently to this (just kidding, I really don't give a **** about Little Mac & K. Rool at all.)

Just leaving this quote here.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Ridley is a pirate and can turn invisible, he is also a dragon, and the leader of an army...in space.

He's a Pterosaur...and to be honest...a Space Pirate Ninja Alien is awesome...Gimme.

Every time you gush about that movie you make me wanna like Zoroark, your confuseing my lucario fanboy brain....

My plan is working! >:3 You'd never know from the look on my face that it's all part of the plan.

So, any topic other than Sheriff? Zelda, roster size, anything?

Fire Emblem.

Oh, and Ariand/AEM....I told you so.

 

[Reznor]

So, any topic other than Sheriff? Zelda, roster size, anything?

Zoroark vs Mewtwo vs Genesect

 

[Xhampi]

Can't we just have the Black Knight as the new FE rep ? No ? OK T.T

 

[Louie G.]

I don't know guys, I think Noah's on to something.
Sheriff is a big part of Nintendo history, and is quite iconic in the sense.
If you don't want a generic sheriff, make him a sprite instead. Boom, he's unique.
Plus, if you want to bring up generic names, ROB was named Robot in Japan.