Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Louie G.]

I think Zelda's probably gonna get 4 or 5 (or the unlikely 3) reps. this time.

I'm feeling three.
Although I know multiple Links are important.

I'd say for third-parties, I'd do Sonic, Mega Man, Snake, Pac-Man/Lloyd Irving (I'd go either way) and a Square-Enix character of some sort (Geno's probably my favorite choice right now due to my Super Mario RPG love.) But if they do replace Snake with another Konami character, it needs to be Simon Belmont or Bomberman.

The reason I asked is because my roster is currently under some work right now, and my current roster is every veteran (except for Pichu and Dr. Mario, who's an alternate for Mario) and a lot of newcomers, plus the above 5 third-parties. I might post it once it's done, thanks to having to re-do it for Toad.

Huh. Interested in how it will turn out.
Sounds like a little too many 3rd Parties, and EVERY veteran?
Toon Link AND Young Link would be weird.
Plus, Geno.

 

[SaikyoBro]

Hey guys, I'm new here (well...technically I joined in 2007 but never posted and just recently tried to log-in again oops) and figured I'd post my newest roster.

I think I have a few too many characters to be honest and I was just barely able to convince myself on K. Rool and Shulk, but otherwise I think I have a pretty decent line-up here. The decisions that I most hope work out are the addition of Little Mac, the return of Mewtwo, and keeping Snake (though in my roster I opted to replace him with Big Boss...not that that matters much, I just thought it would be cool since MGS3D came out recently). Let me know what you think!

 

[Louie G.]

Hey guys, I'm new here (well...technically I joined in 2007 but never posted and just recently tried to log-in again oops) and figured I'd post my newest roster.

I think I have a few too many characters to be honest and I was just barely able to convince myself on K. Rool and Shulk, but otherwise I think I have a pretty decent line-up here. The decisions that I most hope work out are the addition of Little Mac, the return of Mewtwo, and keeping Snake (though in my roster I opted to replace him with Big Boss...not that that matters much, I just thought it would be cool since MGS3D came out recently). Let me know what you think!

Welcome! Your roster is pretty good!
I don't really see Tetra making it though.
I know forbidden 7 and all, but Toon Link is even iffy for me.

 

[Zhadgon]

Shulk, Pac-Man, Snake, Ridley, and King K Rool all on the same roster? i'm happy. lol

Wow....you're the first guy i've seen in a LONG time to include Tingle.

Yeah, for some reason I didn´t like to much when Melee came out the inclusion of Young Link and with Brawl the change for Young Link to Toon Link for me it felt lazy so I prefer to have another rep for Zelda.
.n_n.

 

[SaikyoBro]

Welcome! Your roster is pretty good!
I don't really see Tetra making it though.
I know forbidden 7 and all, but Toon Link is even iffy for me.

Thanks for the welcome!

Yeah truthfully I'm not all that sure about her either I just figured that the series could use a new character since (not counting Toon Link) it didn't really get one in Brawl. I think a pirate would make an interesting character and since she's a big part of the toon artstyle games she made the most sense. I'm not 100% on her but I think she's my favorite option from the Zelda series.

 

[APC99]

Huh. Interested in how it will turn out.
Sounds like a little too many 3rd Parties, and EVERY veteran?
Toon Link AND Young Link would be weird.
Plus, Geno.

Well, it's mainly because I don't have the guts to cut anybody, I believe Groose made an argument somewhere which summarized it perfectly. I feel that, if it does come down to it, the cuts would include Lucario and Solid Snake, but there's only 5 third-parties, a fair number to me (keep the old ones + Mega Man, a Namco rep and, if it's Geno as the Square-Enix rep, then it could border between Mario rep and third-party.

 

[Starcutter]

Hey guys, I'm new here (well...technically I joined in 2007 but never posted and just recently tried to log-in again oops) and figured I'd post my newest roster.

I think I have a few too many characters to be honest and I was just barely able to convince myself on K. Rool and Shulk, but otherwise I think I have a pretty decent line-up here. The decisions that I most hope work out are the addition of Little Mac, the return of Mewtwo, and keeping Snake (though in my roster I opted to replace him with Big Boss...not that that matters much, I just thought it would be cool since MGS3D came out recently). Let me know what you think!

Pretty good roster, one that keeps lucario, too :D

however, a few comments:

some other series may need some building, like metroid.

on the other hand, some series really don't need extra reps. glad you didn't give any to star fox and you didn't add ten zillion fire emblem characters.

tetra is an odd choice, but it might work.



also, love your avatar.

 

[MargnetMan23]

also, anyone ever think of a pokemon rep to represent a certain branch of spin-off titles?

specifically, maybe this game:

and yes, I know the voice-over is cheesey

Grovyle could be cool but I realize I'm being EXTREMELY hypocritical if I support him =P

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Starting roster input...

 

[SaikyoBro]

Pretty good roster, one that keeps lucario, too :D

however, a few comments:

some other series may need some building, like metroid.

on the other hand, some series really don't need extra reps. glad you didn't give any to star fox and you didn't add ten zillion fire emblem characters.

tetra is an odd choice, but it might work.



also, love your avatar.

Thanks super hyped for Dual Destinies

I considered a Metroid rep a lot but at the end of the day I don't think one is entirely feasible. I had Ridley on my rosters for the longest time, but after some long debates with friends and now the Pyrosphere stage I'm starting to think that Sakurai just really doesn't see him as playable material. I'd love for him to get in but at the moment I think the odds are against him. Adding any other Metroid character looks kind of off to me considering how much more important and recurring Ridley is to the series, so I think I'd rather have either him or nothing.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Hey guys, I'm new here (well...technically I joined in 2007 but never posted and just recently tried to log-in again oops) and figured I'd post my newest roster.

I think I have a few too many characters to be honest and I was just barely able to convince myself on K. Rool and Shulk, but otherwise I think I have a pretty decent line-up here. The decisions that I most hope work out are the addition of Little Mac, the return of Mewtwo, and keeping Snake (though in my roster I opted to replace him with Big Boss...not that that matters much, I just thought it would be cool since MGS3D came out recently). Let me know what you think!

I like it, it's not a bad roster...the only thing that REALLY sticks out is that Kid Icarus has more reps than Metroid...especially when Metroid deserves it so much more. Also not sure on Pac-Man.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Ok guys I finally fixed my roster. Sorry about the earlier mistake.

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• Not seeing Toad as much since he was revealed as part of Peach's moveset
• Vaati is probably the best choice for a second villain IMO, but thinking TLink would probably stay over him.
• Kinda iffy on 4 DK reps, but it's possible
• Don't see 3 KI reps
• 2 F-Zero is kinda meh, especially not with a Lucas cut since those franchises are in somewhat similar situations
• Krystal over Falco is iffy, but possible
• Don't see a non-Kanto trainer, also don't see Zoroark over Jiggs. I think that if we get 5 Pokemon, we get Brawl + Mewtwo

 

[Starcutter]

Grovyle could be cool but I realize I'm being EXTREMELY hypocritical if I support him =P

why's that?

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Starting roster input...

Looks pretty good, actually.
For some reason I like to have most of unlockables be newcomers, so I hope that's the case with this.

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[BluePikmin11]

You guys think Dark Samus is happening instead of Ridley?

 

[Shorts]

You guys think Dark Samus is happening instead of Ridley?

No. I think if Ridley isn't happening, Samus and ZSS are standing alone.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

• Not seeing Toad as much since he was revealed as part of Peach's moveset Sakurai said the moveset is subject to change.
• Vaati is probably the best choice for a second villain IMO, but thinking TLink would probably stay over him. I agree
• Kinda iffy on 4 DK reps, but it's possible I agree again
• Don't see 3 KI reps Why not? Sakurai has once added 2 new character from the Kirby franchise, so why not Kid Icarus?
• 2 F-Zero is kinda meh, especially not with a Lucas cut since those franchises are in somewhat similar situations I'm pretty sure Capt Falcon and Samurai Goroh are much more popular than Ness and Lucas, which is why I see F-Zero finally getting the respect it deserves. I see Lucas as too low-priority.
• Krystal over Falco is iffy, but possible With Fox Wolf and Krystal you have a Mario Bowser and Peach trio, so it makes sense to me to cut Falco.
• Don't see a non-Kanto trainer, also don't see Zoroark over Jiggs. I think that if we get 5 Pokemon, we get Brawl + Mewtwo Again I agree this is likely but I guess I'm too optimistic.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

why's that?

Competition for Omastar?

 

[Hotfeet444]

You guys think Dark Samus is happening instead of Ridley?

GOD NO! If Ridley isn't happening, than Samus will be the ONLY Metroid rep, nobody else deserves the spot before Ridley.

 

[SaikyoBro]

I like it, it's not a bad roster...the only thing that REALLY sticks out is that Kid Icarus has more reps than Metroid...especially when Metroid deserves it so much more. Also not sure on Pac-Man.

Hey, aren't you FeliciaFan on YouTube...? I've seen some of your vids I think, you have some cool ideas!

Anyway I pretty much already explained why I don't think another Metroid rep is very likely, but I generally don't look much at how big a series is when selecting characters for it.

If a series is really big (Mario, Pokemon, Zelda) it probably deserves the most characters. If a series is really small (F-Zero, Yoshi's Island, Pikmin) it probably only deserves one or two at most. But everything in between to me doesn't really matter, which is where I'd put Metroid and Kid Icarus (as well as some other series like Star Fox and Donkey Kong). My point is that with those in between series they aren't really a whole lot bigger than each other (not to the extent Mario and Pokemon are to F-Zero and Pikmin at least) so I don't think it's entirely necessary to have every single series' amount of characters exactly proportionate to the size of their series.

The more important factor to me is who's the most important to their series, who displays the most unique powers and abilities that would be fun in Smash, and who would generally broaden the spectrum of represented characters the most. I think the only Metroid character who really fulfills all these characteristics is Ridley, but I honestly don't see it happening at this point :/ Like I mentioned earlier I was in support of him for a long time, but at the moment I just don't think Sakurai likes the idea as much as everyone else does. It's definitely not impossible, I just think that it's been heavily implied he's part of the Pyrosphere stage as opposed to being playable. I'd still love to see him added, though!

 

[MargnetMan23]

why's that?

I hate the idea of blaziken and charizard as stand alone characters due to, you know, starter equality and that they're my least favorite of their respective trios.

 

[Starcutter]

I hate the idea of blaziken and charizard as stand alone characters due to, you know, starter equality and that they're my least favorite of their respective trios.

isn't starter equality for previous generations pretty much gone out the window with mega blaziken though?

 

[FinalStarmen]

Guys I made a new roster, is divided in four parts;
Blue: Normal Roster
Red: DLC
Yellow: Assist Trophies
Green: Wish (characters that I would like to see but have almost no chance to make it to the main roster).

.n_n.

To Zhadgon:

There is one particularly distressing concern I must address - why is there no new Fire Emblem newcomer? Considering the commercial and critical success of Fire Emblem Awakening, one would expect more of a presence than just a simple stage. Rather, one would expect a fully-playable character, instead of a simple Assist Trophy. I do believe the series more than warrants itself a newcomer, because if Kid Icarus can, so can Fire Emblem.

Ok guys I finally fixed my roster. Sorry about the earlier mistake.

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To TheDivineDeity:

Since everybody else seems to be addressing the core problematic aspects of your roster (questionable character decisions, lack of respect for certain veterans, and unusual ideas), I will address one more. In fact, it's a considerable problem that's frequently committed on these boards:

The roster is much too unrealistically idealistic, in that you setting your expectations up so far up in the sky that you're bound to fall crashing down. There is just simply far too many third-party characters, an assumption that popular choices like Ridley, Takamaru, King K. Rool, Palutena, and Little Mac are ALL going to be present within the same roster (an occurrence such as this never happens), and the fact that the roster size seems too large. Granted, it's a rather beneficial trait to have positivity, but it should be a pragmatic positivity, in that you shouldn't expect that Sakurai and his development team will just hand you everything you want. You need to set your expectations to such an extent that it's reasonable.

Otherwise, you're just simply setting yourself up for inevitable disappointment.

 

[APC99]

Y'know, Shantae wouldn't be a bad character.


Just putting it out there.


She'd rival Zero Suit Samus and Wii Fit Trainer for sure.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Y'know, Shantae wouldn't be a bad character.


Just putting it out there.


She'd rival Zero Suit Samus and Wii Fit Trainer for sure.

Yeah! She'd be great....if Wayforward wasn't branching out the series from Nintendo consoles.

They care so much about Nintendo now that the console that gave their franchise life, the Nintendo handheld, is the only console NOT getting Half Genie Hero.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

To TheDivineDeity:

Since everybody else seems to be addressing the core problematic aspects of your roster (questionable character decisions, lack of respect for certain veterans, and unusual ideas), I will address one more. In fact, it's a considerable problem that's frequently committed on these boards:

The roster is much too unrealistically idealistic, in that you setting your expectations up so far up in the sky that you're bound to fall crashing down. There is just simply far too many third-party characters, an assumption that popular choices like Ridley, Takamaru, King K. Rool, Palutena, and Little Mac are ALL going to be present within the same roster (an occurrence such as this never happens), and the fact that the roster size seems too large. Granted, it's a rather beneficial trait to have positivity, but it should be a pragmatic positivity, in that you shouldn't expect that Sakurai and his development team will just hand you everything you want. You need to set your expectations to such an extent that it's reasonable.

Otherwise, you're just simply setting yourself up for inevitable disappointment.

TL;DR

 

[BluePikmin11]

To Zhadgon:

There is one particularly distressing concern I must address - why is there no new Fire Emblem newcomer? Considering the commercial and critical success of Fire Emblem Awakening, one would expect more of a presence than just a simple stage. Rather, one would expect a fully-playable character, instead of a simple Assist Trophy. I do believe the series more than warrants itself a newcomer, because if Kid Icarus can, so can Fire Emblem.



To TheDivineDeity:

Since everybody else seems to be addressing the core problematic aspects of your roster (questionable character decisions, lack of respect for certain veterans, and unusual ideas), I will address one more. In fact, it's a considerable problem that's frequently committed on these boards:

The roster is much too unrealistically idealistic, in that you setting your expectations up so far up in the sky that you're bound to fall crashing down. There is just simply far too many third-party characters, an assumption that popular choices like Ridley, Takamaru, King K. Rool, Palutena, and Little Mac are ALL going to be present within the same roster (an occurrence such as this never happens), and the fact that the roster size seems too large. Granted, it's a rather beneficial trait to have positivity, but it should be a pragmatic positivity, in that you shouldn't expect that Sakurai and his development team will just hand you everything you want. You need to set your expectations to such an extent that it's reasonable.

Otherwise, you're just simply setting yourself up for inevitable disappointment.

I really enjoy reading your opinions!

 

[SaikyoBro]

Y'know, Shantae wouldn't be a bad character.


Just putting it out there.


She'd rival Zero Suit Samus and Wii Fit Trainer for sure.

I love her design and her games are fun, but if memory serves (and correct me if I'm wrong) she's not owned by Nintendo, and I can't exactly see her being an idea for a third party character that the Smash team would jump at simply because she's not all that recognizable.

 

[FinalStarmen]

TL;DR

Breathtaking response.

 

[Louie G.]

Y'know, Shantae wouldn't be a bad character.


Just putting it out there.


She'd rival Zero Suit Samus and Wii Fit Trainer for sure.

I would really like Shantae in Smash, she'd be really neat.
Not that It'll happen anytime soon though.

 

[BluePikmin11]

The only choices I really see happening are Palutena, Little Mac, and Takamaru.
It's their time to be in Smash Bros.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Hey guys, I'm attempting arguments for Nikki, so check out the thread so I can find arguments.

Check out the thread too, I don't want stupid arguments.

 

[APC99]

I would really like Shantae in Smash, she'd be really neat.
Not that It'll happen anytime soon though.

I love her design and her games are fun, but if memory serves (and correct me if I'm wrong) she's not owned by Nintendo, and I can't exactly see her being an idea for a third party character that the Smash team would jump at simply because she's not all that recognizable.

Yeah! She'd be great....if Wayforward wasn't branching out the series from Nintendo consoles.

I think Shantae could be in SSB5. My only problem is that if Sakurai adds 1 or 2 new third parties a game, we'll run out of the popular ones eventually! If it's one per company, we'll get Namco and Square-Enix eventually. Then what? I think Shantae is recognizable enough to be at least an idea, but she'd be on the same level as Maxwell and Travis Touchdown: a cool idea, but less likely than Pac-Man or Geno.

 

[Louie G.]

I think Shantae could be in SSB5. My only problem is that if Sakurai adds 1 or 2 new third parties a game, we'll run out of the popular ones eventually! If it's one per company, we'll get Namco and Square-Enix eventually. Then what? I think Shantae is recognizable enough to be at least an idea, but she'd be on the same level as Maxwell and Travis Touchdown: a cool idea, but less likely than Pac-Man or Geno.

Meh, I think more likely than Geno.

Edit: Yes to Maxwell by the way. All the yeses.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I think Shantae could be in SSB5. My only problem is that if Sakurai adds 1 or 2 new third parties a game, we'll run out of the popular ones eventually! If it's one per company, we'll get Namco and Square-Enix eventually. Then what? I think Shantae is recognizable enough to be at least an idea, but she'd be on the same level as Maxwell and Travis Touchdown: a cool idea, but less likely than Pac-Man or Geno.

I don't know about Pac-Man, but she's worlds ahead of Geno.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Breathtaking response.

I would like to hear your opinion about Dr. Kawashima being in this Super Smash Bros., if you don't mind.
I'd also like to hear your opinion about a Hanafuda character being in Super Smash Bros., to represent Nintendo's first product.

 

[Louie G.]

I would like to hear your opinion about Dr. Kawashima being in this Super Smash Bros., if you don't mind.
I'd also like to hear your opinion about a Hanafuda character being in Super Smash Bros., to represent Nintendo's first product.

No and maybe.
And yeah, I know it wasn't directed towards me.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

No. I think if Ridley isn't happening, Samus and ZSS are standing alone.

.....Anthony Higgs anyone?

 

[MargnetMan23]

isn't starter equality for previous generations pretty much gone out the window with mega blaziken though?

There is a reason I ****ing hate mega blaziken >:3 And also I imagine Sakurai may value the concept of starter equality... There are many variables but for the record, playable blaziken probably isn't happening.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I don't know about Pac-Man, but anyone is worlds ahead of Geno.

Fixed.