Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Chandeelure]

All Brawl added was fifteen, taking the now-current Brawl Eternal Twenty up to the 35 it is now.



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I don't approve...

 

[FalKoopa]

I'm really beginning to doubt the Pac-Man, Little Mac, Mii rumour at this point.

If they were ready to be shown at E3, why have they not been shown, even after 3 months, getting only the obvious vets?

From the daily pics, it's obvious that Villager and WFT were only recently completed on the 3DS.

I'm willing to bet that they haven't even started working on them (if they are even a part of the planned roster, that is)

 

[BluePikmin11]

I think we need a Smash direct sooner or later.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Yes. Smash Direct please. I mean don't get me wrong, It's good to see returnees and such, but I want new stuff so that I know who to put in my rosters and who's in the game.

Also, I just finished Mario and Luigi: Dream Team. Pretty good game. Also, I want the final boss theme in Smash Bros. 4.

Oh, and Antasma for Smash!

 

[BluePikmin11]

That music sounds like Kingdom Hearts.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

That music sounds like Kingdom Hearts.

I think it's the same composer.

 

[BluePikmin11]

It sounds like a good secret boss in KH3 if it ever comes out on Wii U, you could fight Geno with this music on.

 

[Hotfeet444]

So I decided to make a new roster...

Total characters: 44 (Plus Random Space)
Returning Veterans: 33 (Minus Lucario and Ike) ((Can't please everyone))
Starting Character amount: 26
Unlockable Character amount: 18
Unlocking Strategy:

Ness (25)
Jigglypuff (50)
Falco (75)
Captain Falcon (100)
R.O.B. (150)
Snake (200)
Luigi (250)
Marth (300)
Ganondorf (350)
Sonic the Hedgehog (400)
Ganondorf (450)
Mr. Game & Watch (500)
Wolf (550)
MegaMan (600)
Ridley (650)
Mr. Game & Watch (700)
Mewtwo (750)
Shulk (800)
Toon Link (850)

Thoughts?

 

[Chandeelure]

Yes. Smash Direct please. I mean don't get me wrong, It's good to see returnees and such, but I want new stuff so that I know who to put in my rosters and who's in the game.

Also, I just finished Mario and Luigi: Dream Team. Pretty good game. Also, I want the final boss theme in Smash Bros. 4.

Oh, and Antasma for Smash!

I think Kirby has the best music of Nintendo games.
02 ,Magolor fight 1 ,Factory investigation,Gourmet race,etc...
An example of this:

 

[BluePikmin11]

So I decided to make a new roster...

Total characters: 44 (Plus Random Space)
Returning Veterans: 33 (Minus Lucario and Ike) ((Can't please everyone))
Starting Character amount: 26
Unlockable Character amount: 18
Unlocking Strategy:

Ness (25)
Jigglypuff (50)
Falco (75)
Captain Falcon (100)
R.O.B. (150)
Snake (200)
Luigi (250)
Marth (300)
Ganondorf (350)
Sonic the Hedgehog (400)
Ganondorf (450)
Mr. Game & Watch (500)
Wolf (550)
MegaMan (600)
Ridley (650)
Mr. Game & Watch (700)
Mewtwo (750)
Shulk (800)
Toon Link (850)

Thoughts?

The roster could really use organization. Otherwise it's a good roster.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

So I decided to make a new roster...

Total characters: 44 (Plus Random Space)
Returning Veterans: 33 (Minus Lucario and Ike) ((Can't please everyone))
Starting Character amount: 26
Unlockable Character amount: 18
Unlocking Strategy:

Ness (25)
Jigglypuff (50)
Falco (75)
Captain Falcon (100)
R.O.B. (150)
Snake (200)
Luigi (250)
Marth (300)
Ganondorf (350)
Sonic the Hedgehog (400)
Ganondorf (450)
Mr. Game & Watch (500)
Wolf (550)
MegaMan (600)
Ridley (650)
Mr. Game & Watch (700)
Mewtwo (750)
Shulk (800)
Toon Link (850)

Thoughts?

i'd be good with that roster. I would miss Ike and Lucario, but I would definitely play that.

 

[Silverjay323]

So I decided to make a new roster...

Total characters: 44 (Plus Random Space)
Returning Veterans: 33 (Minus Lucario and Ike) ((Can't please everyone))
Starting Character amount: 26
Unlockable Character amount: 18
Unlocking Strategy:

Ness (25)
Jigglypuff (50)
Falco (75)
Captain Falcon (100)
R.O.B. (150)
Snake (200)
Luigi (250)
Marth (300)
Ganondorf (350)
Sonic the Hedgehog (400)
Ganondorf (450)
Mr. Game & Watch (500)
Wolf (550)
MegaMan (600)
Ridley (650)
Mr. Game & Watch (700)
Mewtwo (750)
Shulk (800)
Toon Link (850)

Thoughts?

Minus Ridley and K.Rool, add Palutena, and replace Shulk with Isaac, then its one of the roster I've been envisioning. Also, I don't think a character like Megaman would take that long to unlock.

 

[Hotfeet444]

The roster could really use organization. Otherwise it's a good roster.

Thank you, but what do you mean "Organization?

 

[BluePikmin11]

What about this roster? Kinda unfair my roster is getting ignored. :/

Spoiler

 

[Shorts]

Thank you, but what do you mean "Organization?

He means put characters from the same franchise near each other.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Thank you, but what do you mean "Organization?

I usually order my roster by first parties to second parties. That's how the Brawl roster was.
I would also order the characters by release date.

 

[Hotfeet444]

He means put characters from the same franchise near each other.

Well I did kind of situate them in their own rows like that for a Reason...

Row #1: Major Famous Faces, featuring the four most popular characters in gaming as well as the avatar of the player, designed to be opposite the random button.

Row #2: Series' marked by famous blade (The Master Sword and the Monado, what more can I say?)

Row #3: Action Franchises (An Action Platformer, an action racer, and an action RTS)

Row #4: Colorful franchises (Franchises that are more brightly designed and peaceful than most other franchises)

Row #5: Never Forgotten franchises (Both these franchises haven't had games in many years, but we continue to remember them)

Row #6: Retro/Obscure (All three classic characters + ROB and WFT)

Row #7: The Mario Spin-offs (This one is self-explanatory)

Row #8: The Classics (These two franchises are considered timeless classics by many people)

Row #9: Obscure/Third Party (Mainly the last row from Brawl + MegaMan)

And the main reason they're in that order is because it's the order that the franchises were shown in the Smash 4 reveal trailer.

I usually order my roster by first parties to second parties. That's how the Brawl roster was.
I would also order the characters by release date.

Well...er...okay? Above explains why I did it in said fashion.

 

[Shorts]

Your roster is fine, just really boring.

But that's Smashboards for ya. Condemn creativity and praise the standard no-cuts-same-12-newcomers roster.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Your roster is fine, just really boring.

But that's Smashboards for ya. Condemn creativity and praise the standard no-cuts-same-12-newcomers roster.

But I did cut characters...I cut Lucario and Ike. Not to mention my roster only had 11 newcomers.

 

[Chandeelure]

What about this roster? Kinda unfair my roster is getting ignored. :/

Spoiler

Spoiler

If it doesn't have Bandana Dee,don't deserve my attention...
No,it's a joke,but really,Nintendouji and Dr.Kawashima...no,and I don't think that Diddy + Dixie is a good idea.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Well technically, Brawl added a lot more than 10, more like 16 or 18. The roster was only 10 spots bigger, but the roster was a pretty big leap. With this in mind, I think we could get anywhere from 10-12.

Also, I forgot about Mewtwo...crap.

Melee added thirteen characters and Brawl added eighteen. Plus just because Sakurai may have said this game won't have as many newcomers doesn't mean it will be less than twelve newcomers. He could just be referring to saying that there will be less newcomers than there was in Brawl.

In terms of actual additions, Brawl added Wario, Meta Knight, Pit, Zero Suit Samus, Olimar, King Dedede, Ike, Lucas, Lucario, R.O.B., Wolf, Charizard, Ivysaur, Squirtle, Toon Link, Sonic, and Snake. 17 moveset additions. However, of those characters, only 14 of them had their own character slots, and Toon Link could be seen as a revamped Young Link for all intents and purposes. When I said Brawl added 10, I was subtracting from the cut veterans as well.

Now, in terms of not getting as many newcomers, yes, I think it's definitely a given that Sakurai means less than Brawl's amount of newcomers. However, when you factor in the lack of time Sakurai and his team will have this time around for development, as well as the statement that Sakurai would like to avoid as many cuts as he can and the crystal-clear statement that he'd like to take the roster's focus a different direction this time rather than to simply add a lot more, I think it's reasonable to conclude that we won't get as many characters as we hoped for.

With the amount they seem to be trying to rebalance the veterans this time around, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we get 10 new movesets as an absolute max.

 

[?????????????]

So I decided to make a new roster...

Total characters: 44 (Plus Random Space)
Returning Veterans: 33 (Minus Lucario and Ike) ((Can't please everyone))
Starting Character amount: 26
Unlockable Character amount: 18
Unlocking Strategy:

Ness (25)
Jigglypuff (50)
Falco (75)
Captain Falcon (100)
R.O.B. (150)
Snake (200)
Luigi (250)
Marth (300)
Ganondorf (350)
Sonic the Hedgehog (400)
Ganondorf (450)
Mr. Game & Watch (500)
Wolf (550)
MegaMan (600)
Ridley (650)
Mr. Game & Watch (700)
Mewtwo (750)
Shulk (800)
Toon Link (850)

Thoughts?

I think this roster has good priorities. Lucario and Ike are great, but I still think that Mewtwo and Chrom are good enough (and higher priorities) for that purpose.

New reps for DK and Metroid are, in my opinion, higher priorities than new Mario, Zelda, and DEFINITELY new Kid Icarus reps.

Mii and Shulk, as random miscellaneous characters, could be argued against in favor of other ideas, but they aren't bad ideas. They're perfectly reasonable. And still better than a second Kid Icarus character (seriously, that shouldn't be a big priority).

 

[Shorts]

But I did cut characters...I cut Lucario and Ike. Not to mention my roster only had 11 newcomers.

The second comment wasn't necessarily aimed at you. Sort of at this site's views in general. I've been a part of a looooot of Smash communities due to me taking my poll to a bunch of places over the past two years and this is honestly one of the BEST and WORST communities. Best because you're all well informed, and I love some of the users on this site. But worst because most of you think you know everything and anyone who thinks outside the box is bat**** crazy. When WFT, Megaman, and Villager were added, it really SHOULD have blown all of the "Smash speculation" bull**** out of the water. Because Villager was "deconfirmed", Wii Fit Trainer was never talked about and a total "lolno" if she was brought up. But it didn't. (Ofcourse) /rant

But your roster is pretty cookie cutter. Very little risk taken.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Well I did kind of situate them in their own rows like that for a Reason...

Row #1: Major Famous Faces, featuring the four most popular characters in gaming as well as the avatar of the player, designed to be opposite the random button.

Row #2: Series' marked by famous blade (The Master Sword and the Monado, what more can I say?)

Row #3: Action Franchises (An Action Platformer, an action racer, and an action RTS)

Row #4: Colorful franchises (Franchises that are more brightly designed and peaceful than most other franchises)

Row #5: Never Forgotten franchises (Both these franchises haven't had games in many years, but we continue to remember them)

Row #6: Retro/Obscure (All three classic characters + ROB and WFT)

Row #7: The Mario Spin-offs (This one is self-explanatory)

Row #8: The Classics (These two franchises are considered timeless classics by many people)

Row #9: Obscure/Third Party (Mainly the last row from Brawl + MegaMan)

And the main reason they're in that order is because it's the order that the franchises were shown in the Smash 4 reveal trailer.



Well...er...okay? Above explains why I did it in said fashion.

I think I'll explain later on how I organize it, so you can get a clear view on how I do my rosters.

 

[Hotfeet444]

The second comment wasn't necessarily aimed at you. Sort of at this site's views in general. I've been a part of a looooot of Smash communities due to me taking my poll to a bunch of places over the past two years and this is honestly one of the BEST and WORST communities. Best because you're all well informed, and I love some of the users on this site. But worst because most of you think you know everything and anyone who thinks outside the box is bat**** crazy. When WFT, Megaman, and Villager were added, it really SHOULD have blown all of the "Smash speculation" bull**** out of the water. Because Villager was "deconfirmed", Wii Fit Trainer was never talked about and a total "lolno" if she was brought up. /rant

But your roster is pretty cookie cutter. Very little risk taken.

Well, to be honest, the only one who really blew it out of the water was WFT, but that's mainly because Sakurai wanted to bring us a character that was something almost nobody saw coming. I could see Animal Crossing Villager coming, especially with the recent years of success of City Folk and DEFINITELY New Leaf and the fact that Sakurai already had the idea in mind. MegaMan...I wasn't surprised...for more than about two minutes, and even then it was more excitement than actually being surprised. He was the obvious next third party guest, and with that, I could definitely say there was a good chance of it happening, just not as early as it did.

I say that just because Sakurai wanted to give us a character to surprise us, we shouldn't instantly assume it's always going to be that way, especially when Sakurai knows what kind of characters we want to play as. I love surprises in Smash Bros as much as the next guy, but considering how much of the roster really needs left in it to be defined "complete", the surprise of the Villager's appearance at the premier, the reveal of the huge third party character, and the Amazing announcement of WFT is more than enough surprise for now.

 

[Shorts]

I could see Animal Crossing Villager coming, especially with the recent years of success of City Folk and DEFINITELY New Leaf and the fact that Sakurai already had the idea in mind.

>Sakurai actually told us AC and Nintendogs werent playable material.

If you "could see it" you weren't well informed.

MegaMan...I wasn't surprised...for more than about two minutes, and even then it was more excitement than actually being surprised. He was the obvious next third party guest, and with that, I could definitely say there was a good chance of it happening, just not as early as it did.

Megaman is.. different than WFT and ACV, but it's not like Sakurai made ANY indications that Megaman would be included. Most of what he had to say about third parties honestly lead a lot of people to believe we may just not get any. Megaman was still a legitimate prediction, but if you knew how Sakurai felt about 3rd parties, it was still a leap to predict him.

 

[Hotfeet444]

>Sakurai actually told us AC and Nintendogs werent playable material.

If you "could see it" you weren't well informed.



Megaman is.. different than WFT and ACV, but it's not like Sakurai made ANY indications that Megaman would be included. Most of what he had to say about third parties honestly lead a lot of people to believe we may just not get any. Megaman was still a legitimate prediction, but if you knew how Sakurai felt about 3rd parties, it was still a leap to predict him.

Actually, Sakurai did give an indication that he DID want to try and get a Capcom representative in his new game, which of course was their most iconic character. And still, we didn't know how seriously he took his third parties until after MegaMan's reveal. As for overall Third Party characters...just keep Snake and Sonic, I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to relive the battles of "MegaMan & Sonic: Worlds Collide" in Smash 4 am I?

 

[Shorts]

Actually, Sakurai did give an indication that he DID want to try and get a Capcom representative in his new game

[citation needed]

 

[Arcanir]

Megaman is.. different than WFT and ACV, but it's not like Sakurai made ANY indications that Megaman would be included. Most of what he had to say about third parties honestly lead a lot of people to believe we may just not get any. Megaman was still a legitimate prediction, but if you knew how Sakurai felt about 3rd parties, it was still a leap to predict him.

Not really, Megaman is like Sonic in that the fanbase really wanted him in. I'd honestly be surprised if Sakurai didn't take notice of it.

[citation needed]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/06/09/e3-2011-super-smash-bros-was-a-miracle

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I'm really beginning to doubt the Pac-Man, Little Mac, Mii rumour at this point.

If they were ready to be shown at E3, why have they not been shown, even after 3 months, getting only the obvious vets?

From the daily pics, it's obvious that Villager and WFT were only recently completed on the 3DS.

I'm willing to bet that they haven't even started working on them (if they are even a part of the planned roster, that is)

Sakurai wouldn't want to throw out both third party , one of the most wanted first party characters, and the possible custom character at launch. He is probably saving it for a special time or a smash direct

This is the first non-trolling post I made all day, wow

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Here is the roster I think I will stick with. It totals at 47, but i'd be open to getting rid of Palutena. Wonder Red is a gut feeling I have. (If you have a Wii U, you better have W101. It's great!)

 

[Hotfeet444]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/06/09/e3-2011-super-smash-bros-was-a-miracle

Thank you for doing it for me...and sorry about the speed cut...

 

[Shorts]

Not really, Megaman is like Sonic in that the fanbase really wanted him in. I'd honestly be surprised if Sakurai didn't take notice of it.

Adding characters from other series and from other worlds, really, outside the Nintendo universe, is an incredibly difficult process. In some ways it's more difficult from just building a game from the ground up because you're really trying to make everything match and in some ways that creates limitations. I hope that people can understand that's the reason we can't include more characters from outside the Nintendo universe. And, of course, I believe that when you increase the number of worlds, you're also increasing the number of people who could potentially enjoy that videogame and the series that you're putting in there. But there are also problems because having these non-traditional characters in there -- even with just Snake and Sonic -- has resulted in a number of people who do dissent in seeing these characters put into the Smash series. It's not a simple matter of adding as many worlds and characters from other games as possible -- you can't be careless in doing that sort of thing, you have to be careful. Internally and externally, there have been people who have raised objections to it.

I can't say that it's entirely out of the realm of possibility that some Capcom character could appear in the next Smash Bros. The big problem, though, comes from the idea of trying to get characters from a completely different universe to fit with the style that has been dictated by Nintendo's characters in a fighting game. In fact, I actually think it's a miracle that we got Smash Bros. and all the Nintendo characters to work together in the first place. Especially when you bring Pokemon into the mix and a lot of the complications that are caused by that being an almost completely different entity on its own, it's really something. So this is something that obviously will come up more as we get started on the new Smash Bros. development, but keeping those things in mind I think is important.

Don't just read the first sentence of the second quote and move on. Yes he says "It's possible" (Not, I want to try and include). He was clearly IFFY on the idea of adding a lot of third party characters. Step it up yo.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Don't just read the first sentence of the second quote and move on. Yes he says "It's possible" (Not, I want to try and include). He was clearly IFFY on the idea of adding a lot of third party characters. Step it up yo.

You honestly think he'd say "he's going to try", he'd never hand it to us that easily. It's not being iffy, it's to keep you in suspense. Just like he did with Mewtwo. It's obvious Mewtwo is getting back in, no Mewtwo at this point would probably be this game's biggest disappointment, and his response to Mewtwo was "We're taking it into consideration", it's in the same context as MegaMan's "possibility", if not with more clarity.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

So I decided to make a new roster...

Total characters: 44 (Plus Random Space)
Returning Veterans: 33 (Minus Lucario and Ike) ((Can't please everyone))
Starting Character amount: 26
Unlockable Character amount: 18
Unlocking Strategy:

Ness (25)
Jigglypuff (50)
Falco (75)
Captain Falcon (100)
R.O.B. (150)
Snake (200)
Luigi (250)
Marth (300)
Ganondorf (350)
Sonic the Hedgehog (400)
Ganondorf (450)
Mr. Game & Watch (500)
Wolf (550)
MegaMan (600)
Ridley (650)
Mr. Game & Watch (700)
Mewtwo (750)
Shulk (800)
Toon Link (850)

Thoughts?

Following what BluePikmin11 said, you may want to reposition some of the characters on your roster. For starters, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, K. Rool, Yoshi, and Wario should be placed between the primary Mario characters, and the Legend of Zelda characters.

 

[Shorts]

You honestly think he'd say "he's going to try", he'd never hand it to us that easily.

No, I never thought he would ever say that. You said he said that.

Actually, Sakurai did give an indication that he DID want to try and get a Capcom representative in his new game

It's not being iffy, it's to keep you in suspense. Just like he did with Mewtwo. It's obvious Mewtwo is getting back in, no Mewtwo at this point would probably be this game's biggest disappointment, and his response to Mewtwo was "We're taking it into consideration", it's in the same context as MegaMan's "possibility", if not with more clarity.

Are you really trying to compare what I just quoted you to "We're taking it into consideration"? The situations are CLEARLY different.[/quote]

 

[BKupa666]

To be fair, a handful of "standard 12 newcomer" rosters set aside spots for token shock and retro characters, while others consider WFT to already be filling the former role. Villager was unique in that we denied his chances based on a single Sakurai quote, but that's not really a go-ahead to hunt down the most obscure newcomers possible and tack them onto a roster. It may be a good reason to evaluate other characters we think have no chance because of Sakurai, but that's really not a large group of characters...Nintendog and Sukapon off the top of my head.

The reveal of Mega Man, Villager and WFT in particular indicates that we're going to see reveals conducted in a whole different manner, but not necessarily that the roster itself will be full of weirdos.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Alright this is how I organize it:

1. I start the first column with the most popular first party franchise, the Mario series.

2. Then I start the next column with Mario spinoffs.

3. Then I start the next column with the second most popular first party franchise, Zelda.

4. Then I order the rest of the columns by release date of the games:
Samus will always be at the top since it's one of the spotlight franchises of Nintendo.
Little Mac- Punch Out! - 1984
Ice Climbers- Ice Climber- 1985
R.O.B.- 1985

5. (Note: Kid Icarus is also a spotlight franchise)
Pit and Palutena- Kid Icarus- 1986
Takamaru- The Mysterious Muramase Castle- 1986
Captain Falcon- F-Zero- 1990

6. Kirby Franchise- 1992

7. Starfox Franchise- 1993
(Note: Pikmin+Olimar and Shulk are below Kirby and Starfox because I didn't have any room to put them in properly)

8. The Casual series column:
Villager- Animal Crossing- 2001
Dr. Kawashima- Brain Age- 2005
Miis- Mii Plaza- 2006
Wii Fit Trainer- Wii Fit- 2007

9. This column starts the second parties, starting with the most popular second party, Pokemon.

10. This column starts the second most popular 2nd party franchise Fire Emblem, along with Earthbound.

11. This column starts the rest of the second parties along with the third parties hanging next to the random button:
Isaac- Golden Sun- 2001
Starfy- The Legendary Starfy- 2002

12. This column ends with historical Nintendo characters like Mr. Game and Watch and Nintendouji.

And that's how I organize it Hotfeet.

 

[Louie G.]

Weird, I was thinking about organization today too...
It's the toughest part of making a roster, and some essentials for me don't really fit into the roster very well.
Any suggestions from the veterans to a newcomer?

 

[Hotfeet444]

Alright this is how I organize it:

1. I start the first column with the most popular first party franchise, the Mario series.

2. Then I start the next column with Mario spinoffs.

3. Then I start the next column with the second most popular first party franchise, Zelda.

4. Then I order the rest of the columns by release date of the games:
Samus will always be at the top since it's one of the spotlight franchises of Nintendo.
Little Mac- Punch Out! - 1984
Ice Climbers- Ice Climber- 1985
R.O.B.- 1985

5. (Note: Kid Icarus is also a spotlight franchise)
Pit and Palutena- Kid Icarus- 1986
Takamaru- The Mysterious Muramase Castle- 1986
Captain Falcon- F-Zero- 1990

6. Kirby Franchise- 1992

7. Starfox Franchise- 1993
(Note: Pikmin+Olimar and Shulk are below Kirby and Starfox because I didn't have any room to put them in properly)

8. The Casual series column:
Villager- Animal Crossing- 2001
Dr. Kawashima- Brain Age- 2005
Miis- Mii Plaza- 2006
Wii Fit Trainer- Wii Fit- 2007

9. This column starts the second parties, starting with the most popular second party, Pokemon.

10. This column starts the second most popular 2nd party franchise Fire Emblem, along with Earthbound.

11. This column starts the rest of the second parties along with the third parties hanging next to the random button:
Isaac- Golden Sun- 2001
Starfy- The Legendary Starfy- 2002

12. This column ends with historical Nintendo characters like Mr. Game and Watch and Nintendouji.

And that's how I organize it Hotfeet.