Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Louie G.]

I was thinking this a few months ago around the time of initially starting designs for Smash Bros characters, and with that, I say possibly, but most likely not. If he did, that would be great as it'd open up more opportunities for the fantastic characters the franchise has to offer, including the likes of Dimentio, but sadly I don't think that's the case, it's still Mario after all, and will probably be affiliated with the Mario franchise.

I'm really on the fence here.
I have 5 Pokemon reps and 4 Mario reps.
Paper Mario was a Paper Mario rep, and in an RPG column.
I want Mario and Pokemon to be the same, but moving Paper Mario results in me having to change my whole roster design.
Help me.

Edit: You change your profile picture like twice a day.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Kind of like Zelda relies on Link? And Peach relies on Mario? And Fox's team relies on Fox? and Pokemon rely on their Trainers? And Mr. Game & Watch relies on the player? And R.O.B. relies on flashing lights? And C. Falcon relies on his care? And Ninten relies on his asthma inhaler?



Wonder Red needs to go. Wonderful 101 JUST came out. It's not a big Nintendo franchise and I see no reason to add it besides recency, NOTHING else. It really doesn't make sense.

Besides Pokemon, Fire Emblem is the only series to get a new rep.



Palutena > Medusa > Hades. If Palutena doesn't make the spot then nobody else will.

I know Wonder Red isn't popular around here. I just add him because I think he'd be awesome. As I said, the newcomers don't have to be the same for you, it's just showing the roster as it COULD be without K.Rool, Dixie, Ridley, or Palutena.

 

[Louie G.]

I know Wonder Red isn't popular around here. I just add him because I think he'd be awesome. As I said, the newcomers don't have to be the same for you, it's just showing the roster as it COULD be without K.Rool, Dixie, Ridley, or Palutena.

If Wonder Red gets in over all 4 of them, I will rage.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I'm really on the fence here.
I have 5 Pokemon reps and 4 Mario reps.
Paper Mario was a Paper Mario rep, and in an RPG column.
I want Mario and Pokemon to be the same, but moving Paper Mario results in me having to change my whole roster design.
Help me.

Edit: You change your profile picture like twice a day.

I changed it back because I like this one more. Anyways, I say that I don't really see the problem in just putting Paper Mario in with the Mario characters. What does the RPG column look like?

 

[Knight Dude]

What new franchises are possibly going to be repped in the next Smash?
This is a topic that interests me a lot, as there are tons of possibilities.

Hopefully someone from Golden Sun, Namely Isaac. But Felix could work too. Then there's Little Mac, who probably would be the most fitting. And while unlikely, Dillion from Rolling Western would be cool too.

 

[Louie G.]

I changed it back because I like this one more. Anyways, I say that I don't really see the problem in just putting Paper Mario in with the Mario characters. What does the RPG column look like?

I had Yoshi in a column with the Mario guys, and I have 4 DK reps in the next one and Wario.
The RPG column is Ness, Marth, Chrom, Paper Mario, and Shulk.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I had Yoshi in a column with the Mario guys, and I have 4 DK reps in the next one and Wario.
The RPG column is Ness, Marth, Chrom, Paper Mario, and Shulk.

Oh that's simple. You'll need to subtract one DK character, so choose who you think is more important. Put Yoshi above Wario, then move Paper Mario into that slot while adding Lucas back in to even it out.

 

[Espio264]

I'm really on the fence here.
I have 5 Pokemon reps and 4 Mario reps.
Paper Mario was a Paper Mario rep, and in an RPG column.
I want Mario and Pokemon to be the same, but moving Paper Mario results in me having to change my whole roster design.
Help me.

You could always not care about these imaginary representation numbers that so many people seem to rely and support characters who you like and seem deserving of a spot.

 

[Louie G.]

Oh that's simple. You'll need to subtract one DK character, so choose who you think is more important. Put Yoshi above Wario, then move Paper Mario into that slot while adding Lucas back in to even it out.

I think K. Rool and Dixie are both very deserving.
K. Rool is self explanatory, Dixie can easily be the new Wolf.
I've been thinking about the return of Lucas, but he doesn't bring anything new to the table.
Neither does Wolf, which is why I cut him. I'm a little bit harsh on the cuts I guess.

You could always not care about these imaginary representation numbers that so many people seem to rely and support characters who you like and seem deserving of a spot.

I don't think Pokemon should have more than Mario's all.
They both deserve the same number, I just think it's fair that way, I dunno why.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Do you guys think Paper Mario should rep his own franchise or Mario?
They are different enough to separate them.

Absolutely not. It's a lazy attempt to get 6 Mario characters (which we don't need by the way) Dr. Mario had NOTHING to do with the main series and still counts as a Mario character. Not to mention Paper Mario & Mario are both the same person. It doesn't make any sense. DK, Yoshi, and Wario were WAY different from the Mario series and featured their own distinct world and characters as well as the main character not being Mario himself. Paper Mario has way to many connections to the Mario universe and again IS Mario.

Paper Mario being his own rep was an excuse I used to have 6 Mario characters..................when I was a kid.

I think K. Rool and Dixie are both very deserving.
K. Rool is self explanatory, Dixie can easily be the new Wolf.
I've been thinking about the return of Lucas, but he doesn't bring anything new to the table.
Neither does Wolf, which is why I cut him. I'm a little bit harsh on the cuts I guess.

I don't think Pokemon should have more than Mario's all.
They both deserve the same number, I just think it's fair that way, I dunno why.

Wolf doesn't bring anything new to the table. What are you smoking and where can I get some?

Well technically speaking Mario only has half of what Pokemon has in Brawl. But, I fully agree there should not be 5 Pokemon on screen and only 4 Mario. Even if we don't count that it it unfair to have 9 Pokemon characters and 4 Mario. Just give Mario the other rep it's what we all want and it makes sense regardless of whether it's necessary or not.

 

[Louie G.]

Hopefully someone from Golden Sun, Namely Isaac. But Felix could work too. Then there's Little Mac, who probably would be the most fitting. And while unlikely, Dillion from Rolling Western would be cool too.

As cool as Isaac would be, I just don't see it. It's really sad actually.
Little Mac is obvious and one of my most wanted.
Dillon=Sonic. Kind of.

Absolutely not. It's a lazy attempt to get 6 Mario characters (which we don't need by the way) Dr. Mario had NOTHING to do with the main series and still counts as a Mario character. Not to mention Paper Mario & Mario are both the same person. It doesn't make any sense. DK, Yoshi, and Wario were WAY different from the Mario series and featured their own distinct world and characters as well as the main character not being Mario himself. Paper Mario has way to many connections to the Mario universe and again IS Mario.

Paper Mario being his own rep was an excuse I used to have 6 Mario characters..................when I was a kid.

That's the thing.
I have 5 Pokemon reps after the whole Lucario incident, so I think Paper Mario should be a Mario rep now. I never had 5 Mario reps in the first place, nobody seems deserving enough at the moment.
Except for Paper Mario that is.

Edit: Double Post. Sorry everyone.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

As cool as Isaac would be, I just don't see it. It's really sad actually.
Little Mac is obvious and one of my most wanted.
Dillon=Sonic. Kind of.

Dillon doesn't really deserve the spot at all. He's a second party that came out a few years ago as a digital eshop game and hasn't made a huge impact in the history of Nintendo. Dillon = Assist Trophy.

 

[Knight Dude]

As cool as Isaac would be, I just don't see it. It's really sad actually.
Little Mac is obvious and one of my most wanted.
Dillon=Sonic. Kind of.

Well, think of it this way, Dillon does have explosives and razor sharp claws going for him. That and a bunch of magic crystals, should help him stand out from Sonic well enough, if was ever added to the roster that is.

EDIT: True, his is a newer character, but he still has some moveset potential. Just wanted to throw that out there. Also, I forgot to mention Shulk, alot of people seem to really like him, so I guess he's worth talking about.

 

[Louie G.]

Dillon doesn't really deserve the spot at all. He's a second party that came out a few years ago as a digital eshop game and hasn't made a huge impact in the history of Nintendo. Dillon = Assist Trophy.

Speaking of Assist Trophies, who do you think is going to be one?

Well, think of it this way, Dillon does have explosives and razor sharp claws going for him. That and a bunch of magic crystals, should help him stand out from Sonic well enough, if was ever added to the roster that is.

Magic Crystals.
Chaos Emeralds.
That is all.

Edit: Darn double posts, I have so much to say, and I'm crossing my fingers that someone posts before I do.

 

[Espio264]

[quote="Louie G

I don't think Pokemon should have more than Mario's all.
They both deserve the same number, I just think it's fair that way, I dunno why.[/quote]

It's not about what's fair, it's about what makes sense and what excites you personally. If you don't think pokemon deserves more spots than Mario, then don't give them more spots. If you need everyone's input on which franchise gets however many spots, then why bother making your own?

I wanna see what you think, not what you think everyone else thinks.

 

[Louie G.]

[quote="Louie G

I don't think Pokemon should have more than Mario's all.
They both deserve the same number, I just think it's fair that way, I dunno why.

It's not about what's fair, it's about what makes sense and what excites you personally. If you don't think pokemon deserves more spots than Mario, then don't give them more spots. If you need everyone's input on which franchise gets however many spots, then why bother making your own?

I wanna see what you think, not what you think everyone else thinks.[/quote]
Thanks, you seem really cool and knowledgable in what you're talking about.
Personally, I wouldn't be excited about any new Mario reps except Paper Mario.
At first I wanted to cut Lucario, but Lucario vs Mewtwo really is too good to pass by.
What do you think?

 

[Gune]

I think K. Rool and Dixie are both very deserving.
K. Rool is self explanatory, Dixie can easily be the new Wolf.
I've been thinking about the return of Lucas, but he doesn't bring anything new to the table.
Neither does Wolf, which is why I cut him. I'm a little bit harsh on the cuts I guess.

I don't think Pokemon should have more than Mario's all.
They both deserve the same number, I just think it's fair that way, I dunno why.

That's the way I would make cuts I don't think its harsh at all.

I think it is possible for pokemon to outrep the Mario franchise and it should, I don't think its fair that since the Mario franchise is pretty much complete as it is it should hinder other series rep's with some made up rule about no franchise being able to surpass 4 reps because Mario doesent have 5.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Speaking of Assist Trophies, who do you think is going to be one?

 

[Arcanir]

That's the way I would make cuts I don't think its harsh at all.

I think it is possible for pokemon to outrep the Mario franchise and it should, I don't think its fair that since the Mario franchise is pretty much complete as it is it should hinder other series rep's with some made up rule about no franchise being able to surpass 4 reps because Mario doesent have 5.

I agree with this. Mario and Pokémon are Nintendo's biggest sellers, but they have completely different situations when it comes to characters. Mario has a few to draw from and the four it has is pretty much set, Pokémon has tons to use by comparison, so limiting them is more a detriment then it is for Mario. For better representation of the series, it shouldn't be limited like that.

Of course, I don't want like 10 Pokémon because that would be silly, but as a series, Pokémon can have 1 more rep slot without much trouble.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I don't think Pokemon should have more than Mario's all.
They both deserve the same number, I just think it's fair that way, I dunno why.

Yeah, gotta agree. Not sure why I think so either.

 

[Knight Dude]

Magic Crystals.
Chaos Emeralds.
That is all.

Edit: Darn double posts, I have so much to say, and I'm crossing my fingers that someone posts before I do.

Dillon's crystals don't transform him into a Super Saiyan. That and Sonic doesn't use the Chaos Emeralds in his moveset all that much.

Though it's not as if Dillon is all that likely anyways.

 

[Espio264]

It's not about what's fair, it's about what makes sense and what excites you personally. If you don't think pokemon deserves more spots than Mario, then don't give them more spots. If you need everyone's input on which franchise gets however many spots, then why bother making your own?

I wanna see what you think, not what you think everyone else thinks.

Thanks, you seem really cool and knowledgable in what you're talking about.
Personally, I wouldn't be excited about any new Mario reps except Paper Mario.
At first I wanted to cut Lucario, but Lucario vs Mewtwo really is too good to pass by.
What do you think?[/quote]

I honestly want Mewtwo, Lucario, Paper Mario, Toad and a handful of others that nobody else seems to believe in. And if we can't have Ridley, then I wanna play as that freakin' hole in the wall. Sakurai seems to find it important. My roster may not seem likely, but it's not like I think I'm gonna win the magical prize for guessing the precise roster a year or so in advance like certain others seem to. If you think you can guess how Sakurai's gonna pull it off, you're damn wrong. So just have fun with it. I don't come here for the spats between egos, I come to get excited about something I genuinely love.

 

[SchAlternate]

Bagloobis!

I'd have added a few more characters, but that'd make this roster reach 60 characters, so I trimmed it down.

 

[SuperBrawler]

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Look s like you used a Assist Trophy as an excuse to have the other characters you want in th game.

Also most of them are pretty good choices anyway

 

[Jaedrik]

In roster prediction, the best predictions all focus on Sakurai, and he throws quite a few curveballs. You would all do well to remember this, and strive to gain an encyclopedic knowledge of his interviews, design philosophy, and pretty much everything else that might heavily influence the roster.
Yes, I am completely dismissing everyone else that's working on the game, I realize. . . actually I just realized that, but to assume their stances or powers without any prior knowledge is quite silly.

 

[Espio264]

In roster prediction, the best predictions all focus on Sakurai, and he throws quite a few curveballs. You would all do well to remember this, and strive to gain an encyclopedic knowledge of his interviews, design philosophy, and pretty much everything else that might heavily influence the roster.
Yes, I am completely dismissing everyone else that's working on the game, I realize. . . actually I just realized that, but to assume their stances or powers without any prior knowledge is quite silly.

You make so much sense sir.

 

[Gune]

You make so much sense sir.

Can't tell if sarcasm...

 

[Jaedrik]

You make so much sense sir.

Can't tell if sarcasm...

Doesn't matter, I'll still love him either way.
You too~

 

[Bajef8]

Meowth = One off

I'm sorry but this comment radiates stupid. You're telling me the 2nd most recurring Pokemon in the anime is a one off?

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I'm sorry but this comment radiates stupid. You're telling me the 2nd most recurring Pokemon in the anime is a one off?

I think he means in the games.

Besides being a selectable starter in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Red/Blue Rescue Team, I have no recollection of there ever being a notable Meowth in the Pokemon games.

 

[SchAlternate]

I think he means in the games.

Besides being a selectable starter in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Red/Blue Rescue Team, I have no recollection of there ever being a notable Meowth in the Pokemon games.

 

[N3ON]

I think he means in the games.

Besides being a selectable starter in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Red/Blue Rescue Team, I have no recollection of there ever being a notable Meowth in the Pokemon games.

I wonder how much of a difference it would've made in regard to his chances for Smash if Meowth's Party had actually been a game that saw release. Personally I think the Pokemon roster would end up being ultimately the same, however Meowth probably would've been seen as a much more credible contender.

 

[YoshiandToad]

I thought all the Pokemon selections were mostly based on what's big in the anime anyway?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I thought all the Pokemon selections were mostly based on what's big in the anime anyway?

Not always.

 

[N3ON]

I thought all the Pokemon selections were mostly based on what's big in the anime anyway?

Pokemon Trainer and Pichu weren't chosen due to the anime, rather importance in the games and being an easy clone respectively, but while the others' inclusion can be attributed largely to popularity, the anime had no small part in causing or increasing that popularity, so yes, it can be seen as having a relatively large influence over which characters have good chances.

A common misconception though is that Pikachu gained his popularity due to the starring role in the anime when in fact he was popular previous to the anime and therefore was ultimately chosen to be the leading Pokemon in it, getting in over the original choice, Clefairy. Though obviously the anime then skyrocketed his popularity even further.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Not always.

I considered this at first but then I thought;

Wait...isn't half of Charizard's popularity due to the anime? And Squirtle is a popular Pokemon partially due to the anime?

Ivysaur was probably just chosen to bridge the evo gap seeing as the other two are generally more popular. Else I have no idea why they picked those particular forms for the Kanto starters.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Wasn't the Trainer based more on Red than Ash anyway as far as the character design and stuff?

 

[FalKoopa]

Wasn't the Trainer based more on Red than Ash anyway as far as the character design and stuff?

Yes, his design is based on his look in FireRed/LeafGreen.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Was more of a rhetorical question, but yeah. The anime has some influence for inclusions, but most of the influence for the Trainer and his Pokemon seemed to have come from the games, even though the anime had already skyrocketed the popularity of obvious ones like Charizard.

 

[?????????????]

I think Meowth is a completely viable choice (for those who didn't already know...). I would be both surprised and not surprised if he ever became playable in SSB. Wouldn't mind him at all.