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It's better because we did it with being precise, not adding in just random bull****.
Anyways, I'll make a roster tonight for ****s and giggles. I have a layout of how it'll look like.
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Roster Prediction Discussion Thread
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It's better because we did it with being precise, not adding in just random bull****.
Anyways, I'll make a roster tonight for ****s and giggles. I have a layout of how it'll look like.
SuperBrawler
Smash Master
Yay! Another one!<3
It's better because we did it with being precise, not adding in just random bull****.
Anyways, I'll make a roster tonight for ****s and giggles. I have a layout of how it'll look like.
BluePikmin11
Akko is my dear daughter!
One big concern is that Marth is gone, put Isaac over Matthew. I think evrything else is fine.
YoshiandToad
Smash Hero
Whilst I usually prefer odder choices(Mike Jones AND Prince Sable? Interesting old school rep ideas! Banjo and Kazooie? Impossible, but makes a nice change to see them on a roster, Magnus is a strange choice, but okay!) the thing that struck me oddest about this roster is the lack of Marth. I've never really been a huge fan of his, but he is pretty much the only Fire Emblem character that is guaranteed to be returning. I think Ike and Chrom are likely too, but missing Marth is like missing Pikachu.
Rebellious Treecko
Smash Hero
Like Johnknight, Thethirdkoopa and Habanero's roster?
It was funny, but still.
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This, and Waluigi is horrible.
Louie G.
Smash Hero
I don't have roster maker, but would it be okay if I posted a list of my characters anyway?
YoshiandToad
Smash Hero
Sure.
If you do want to get the Roster maker however, you can obtain it here: Jakor's Roster Maker V 6.1
Does it look good? <3
Louie G.
Smash Hero
Thank you. So here's my roster, if anyone wants me to explain my reasoning or if you disagree with one of my choices, just tell me. I'm kind of new to the roster making process, but I spent a lot of time thinking about this one.
Mario:
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
DK:
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K. Rool
Dixie Kong
Yoshi:
Yoshi
Wario:
Wario
Paper Mario:
Paper Mario
Zelda:
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf
Ghirahim
Metroid:
Samus/ZSS
Ridley
Kirby:
Kirby
Meta Knight
Dedede
Pokemon:
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Pokemon Trainer (possibly with Pokemon)
Star Fox:
Fox
Falco
Krystal
Kid Icarus:
Pit
Palutena
Fire Emblem:
Marth
Chrom
F-Zero:
Cap. Falcon
Pikmin:
Olimar
Earthbound:
Ness
Retro:
Ice Climbers
Mr. G+W
R.O.B.
Takamaru
Animal Crossing:
Villager
Punch Out:
Little Mac
Wii:
Wii Fit Trainer
Mii
Xenoblade:
Shulk
3rd Party:
Sonic
Mega Man
Pac-Man
So there it is. What do you guys think?
No real gripes but I don't think the Mii will be in the game and why the Lucas and Wolf cuts?
NickerBocker
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Props for adding Banjo Kazooie. Even though its impossible, we can still dream.
Poor B&K, why did you have to go?
I seriously think Banjo would have been in Melee had Microsoft not buy Rare.Props for adding Banjo Kazooie. Even though its impossible, we can still dream.
Poor B&K, why did you have to go?
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The one thing that immediately sticks out is that Wolf was cut in favor of Krystal. I really don't see that happening. Wolf is more important to the series over all, is a veteran, and has a mostly unique moveset (save for the specials, of course). I'd say just keep Brawl's StarFox roster.
The other complaint is the removal of Lucas and Ike. Mother may be a finished series, but I doubt they'd reduce its numbers when there's really no one else to add, sans maybe Porky. That being said, I think Lucas will definitely stay. Plus, although it probably doesn't mean much, Sakurai's never cut a starter character before.
With Ike, I definitely think Fire Emblem can warrant three characters (heck, it almost got just that in Brawl, considering Roy was also planned). Plus, Ike is extremely important to the series as a whole, when compared to most other Lords in the game. So I'd make the roster Marth, Chrom and Ike, personally.
And I honestly don't see Lucario being cut either. That Mega form could make him even more unique, haha. Plus, Pokemon is a giant series. It can definitely warrant seven characters, so Brawl roster + Mewtwo seems like the way to go.
Then you also took out Toon Link and Snake. However, they are much more understandable than the other cuts, as much as I doubt their exclusion (particularly Snake's).
As far as your other additions to the roster, props for adding Little Mac, Chrom, Palutena, K. Rool, and Ridley. They're my five most wanted newcomers. :D
Over all, definitely not bad. I just don't think some of those cuts will happen. Definitely an 8.5/10 on my arbitrary scale.
Louie G.
Smash Hero
I don't really want Mii, but I honestly think that it's bound to happen, so I put him on there.
I cut Wolf because he is very low priority to Sakurai, as he was added last minute. I wanted to get rid of Falco or Wolf, but Falco has been in Smash longer, so he has seniority on his side.
As for Lucas, I was never a fan, although if I ever played Mother 3 (which I want to) I probably would be. But I didn't cut him because I don't like him, but because his specials are too similar to Ness. If Sakurai changed his moveset, he would stay, but there are other characters who will get in before him IMO.
What's your opinion? You might change my mind, I've been rethinking the Wolf, Lucas, and Lucario cuts.
YoshiandToad
Smash Hero
A pretty standard selection actually. A lot of people agree with the majority of what you've said here. Like Lasifer said Lucas and Wolf's exclusions are unusual. I'm guessing you cut Wolf for Krystal?
Ghirihim's also a little less universally guessed upon. You can elaborate this decision if you like, but everyone else seems fairly standard roster prediction.
Louie G.
Smash Hero
I completely understand your reasoning.
I cut Wolf because I think that Star Fox only needs 3 characters, and although Wolf is more important, Krystal has more pontental to be unique.
You are correct about Fire Emblem, although I would probably prefer Roy over Ike.
Mother is very popular and well received, but Lucas was a but unnecessary IMO. Change his specials and Final Smash (to PK Love) and I'm a-okay with him returning.
As for Lucario, I've been second guessing myself on that too. The fact of the matter is, I prefer Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon to have the same number of reps. It was between Jiggs and Lucario, and I just don't want to see Jiggs go.
Snake's got a bit of a legal thing going on, as he means more to Sony than he does to Nintendo. I say definitely cut him, he never fit in anyway.
Toon Link is a character I really enjoy, but I don't see returning. He's a clone and he's involved in a stage (I really hope the latter doesn't happen to Ridley.
Thanks for the feedback. 4 out of your 5 most wanted newcomers are mine too, just replace Chrom with Paper Mario, although I like Chrom as well!
Yeah, I cut Wolf for Krystal. I'm rethinking it, but Krystal would be a more original character to me (if not just because of her staff). Plus, she won't get the Landmaster as a Final Smash.
Ghirahim is more of a place holder Zelda rep than anything, but in terms of new Zelda villains, he's a bit more likely than Vaati or Skull Kid I think.
Shotguner159
Smash Apprentice
Why wouldn't she? She did use it in Star Fox: Assault's multiplayer.Plus, she won't get the Landmaster as a Final Smash.
This, but I think Pokemon warrants five characters at best.
Louie G.
Smash Hero
Sorry, I've never played Assault.
I see her incorporating dinosaurs into her Final Smash, but hey, it is still very possible that she does in fact get the Landmaster.
If she's in, I really hope she doesn't.
Can I get some critique here, folks?My Updated Roster:
My only regret is Deathborn as a DLC choice, just replace him with Samurai Goroh in your mind.
Depressed Gengar
Hana Is Best Girl
Major issues are the cuts of Lucario, Wolf, and Toon Link. Other wise, decent.
Louie G.
Smash Hero
Those 3, plus Lucas, are who I'm really second guessing myself on.
Lucario definitely still has a shot, what with his Mega Evolution making him relevant.
Wolf is more important than Krystal, but Krystal would be very hard to turn into even a Semi-Clone, so the fact of the matter is that they are interchangeable, although I would prefer Krystal in the final roster.
Toon Link is a little bundle of fun to play as, and as much as I want him in, evidence doesn't lie, and the Spirit Tracks stage really hurts his chances. He could very well return though, as Ghirahim is not final in my roster, just a placeholder for another Zelda rep.
Pretty good overall, but now I'm going to have to argue the cut of Falco. He's been here since Melee, I'd be sad to see him go.
Duck Hunt Dog I would love to see though.
I think that Chrom gets in over Lucina, and in terms of Wonder Red, Genesect, and Chibi-Robo, I don't think it's their time yet.
I also think that Zelda and Pokemon need 4, the same as Mario. All 3 are the title franchises of Nintendo, and should be evened out.
Good roster overall though, if this was the final roster for the next game, I would not be disappointed.
Shotguner159
Smash Apprentice
Not especially, her staff can create a reflector, like Fox, Falco and Wolf's Down B. Her staff can create Rocket Boosts to propel her into the air, just like Fox, Falco and Wolf's Up B. Her staff can blast out energy projectiles, just like Fox, Falco and Wolf's Neutral B.
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I was referring to the fact that Sakurai considers all of Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon to be separate characters. I don't think we'll get seven slots.
Depressed Gengar
Hana Is Best Girl
So you're cutting Wolf because of cloney status? It'd be better to cut Falco then, because he's MORE of a Fox clone then Wolf is.
You do realize that the SS Toon Link is an ENTIRELY different Toon Link from the WW version (which is the one that they used in Brawl and the one they'll likely use again.), right? So they could use WW Toon Link as a playable character and have SS Toon Link for a stage character.
Louie G.
Smash Hero
Your right, I just don't see why Sakurai would do this. She has the potential to be very unique, unless he just decides in the end, "You know what? Let's add Krystal!"
Then, Krystal is in danger of being a clone.
Okay, I see your points.
Falco I keep because he is a veteran from Melee. I don't see any Melee characters from Brawl being cut from the SSB4 roster. It's true though that Wolf is less of a clone.
I would love to see Toon Link return personally. He felt so drastically different than Link, but he is a clone. So change him up or kick him out.
Oh, by the way, Toon Link and Falco are both clones, so change them both up. I don't want to sound like a hypocrite standing up for Falco without potential moveset changes!
3Bismyname
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i see no reason to cut any of the "clone" characters. they all deserve to be there just as much, in some cases more so, than other characters from their series.
Louie G.
Smash Hero
Sakurai stated that he wants to get rid of clones, so their chances are very low unless their moveset is changed.
Curious Villager
Puzzles...
When did he say that?
Depressed Gengar
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De-cloning Toon Link is easy. Just add Deku Leaf as a new Up Special, Skull Hammer as a new Down Special, Hurricane Spin Attack as a new Side Special, and you have at least a semi-clone Toon Link.
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I don't think he ever explicitly stated that. It's just fan assumption.
Even if he did, he probably wouldn't have ok'd the idea to advertise Luigi of all people.
Truth be told I think the only real reason to remove any characters, clone or otherwise is time constraints/priority.
Even if he did, he probably wouldn't have ok'd the idea to advertise Luigi of all people.
Truth be told I think the only real reason to remove any characters, clone or otherwise is time constraints/priority.
Lucina is in because she adds to the females in the game, which we need more of.Pretty good overall, but now I'm going to have to argue the cut of Falco. He's been here since Melee, I'd be sad to see him go.
Duck Hunt Dog I would love to see though.
I think that Chrom gets in over Lucina, and in terms of Wonder Red, Genesect, and Chibi-Robo, I don't think it's their time yet.
I also think that Zelda and Pokemon need 4, the same as Mario. All 3 are the title franchises of Nintendo, and should be evened out.
Good roster overall though, if this was the final roster for the next game, I would not be disappointed.
I honestly think it's time for Chibi-Robo with a new game coming out and being around since the GC, Wonder Red because Nintendo is pushing The Wonderful 101 A LOT, and Genesect being a personal favorite of mine with some relevancy to him as well, a much better Gen 5 rep than Zoroark if you ask me.
Zelda actually has four, if you count Sheik, and Pokemon needs more than Gen 1 characters and is a huge franchise, so Genesect is in there.
If I had to redo the roster, I MAY replace Genesect with a Fire emblem, Mother, or new IP character and I'd change Deathborn to a new DLC choice, other than that it's final.
3Bismyname
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he never said that. the closest he's come to saying anything to that effect was that he wants to make the characters more unique.
Louie G.
Smash Hero
Okay, I may have been wrong about the clones, but I think it would be very smart to give me unique movesets.
I really don't think Luigi really deserves to be called any kind of clone anymore.
Edit: They=Mario and Luigi
Good reasoning, I really wouldn't be angry if I saw anyone on your roster in SSB4, Wonder Red, Chibi Robo, and Genesect would all be very unique and interesting characters, so I'm perfectly fine with them. Lucina or Chrom are fine, either or, I just think Chrom is more likely.
I may just be standing up for my man Luigi here, but he is hardly even a Semi-Clone anymore. Sure, the fireballs are, and they still share the Super Jump Punch, but Luigi has the Fire Jump Punch as well.
I really don't think Luigi really deserves to be called any kind of clone anymore.
Edit: They=Mario and Luigi
BluePikmin11
Akko is my dear daughter!
I personally think both are equal to having chances, that they could be duo (Zelda/Sheik esque) characters in smash.
Louie G.
Smash Hero
You mean Chrom and Lucina?
SuperBrawler
Smash Master
**** YEAH!
Louie G.
Smash Hero
You mean Chrom and Lucina?
Edit: Darn it, another double post. Just give me time to get used to this.
Curious Villager
Puzzles...
Louie G. Just a word of advice, use the edit button if you want to make any additions to your posts.
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