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Hard to "own" what is mentally incapable of accepting defeat and just keeps coming back for more.

It's like trying to own a cockroach with nukes.
Hence why I said "often" instead of always. Even Noah will eventually become blue in the face and stop coming back eventually though. That or he'll just be buried underneath all the E3 hype come June 11th. Count on it.

edit: This is my 1000th post? Shows how often I post here for someone whose been a member since 2007. lol
 

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and Takamaru was never in SoulCalibur.
Takamaru in Soul Calibur? That would've been amazing! Sadly it wasn't the case. He'd be alot more widely known and I wouldn't have to explain him to everyone if so!
 
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Someone thinks Takamaru was in Soul Calibur?

Lol, either they don't know who Mitsurugi is, or they don't know that custom characters have been in the game since SC3. :laugh:
 

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I'll try to respond politely, too.

Eirika: For starters, why would we want a Marth clone? Why not Ephraim, who's more popular and not a clone?

Starfy: it is generally implied that he won't get in because he is the worst assist trophy in the game. He can work, but there are easily better misc choices like Isaac and Shulk.

Ninten: The fact that Ness got in over Ninten is pretty much proof enough that Ninten shouldn't get in Smash. Mother should stick with the poster boy, the recent protagonist, and maybe a villain, too.

Karis: People aren't requesting a second Golden Sun rep, so it's highly unlikely that Golden Sun will go from 0 to 2 reps.

Mewtwo 2.0: Not sure we should only have his awakened form, but a good choice nonethless

Takamaru: No issues there, of coarse

Ray: While I agree that Custom Robo deserves a rep, I don`t think one is a good idea because limiting Ray to a specific moveset completely misrepresents the series. The game is called ----> Custom <---- Robo.

Bomberman: Sakurai is very reserved about Third-Party characters. It is highly unlikely that KONAMI will get a second rep. Another company should take priority, especially since Bomberman isn't being used at the moment. I still insist that Pac-Man isn't dead, too.

Sheriff: I, personally, find it difficult to make him work, but I think he's a good choice regardless and I'd like to see him in.

Trace: Why do the bounty hunters get more priority over the space pirates or Metroids? Trace may be popular, but he can't even compare to Ridley or Dark Samus.

Bowser Jr./Paper Mario, King K. Rool, Chrom: No problem with any of those, but I'm unsure about Mario getting two new reps.

I hope I didn't come off as snotty, at all. :/
Well, I understand why you don't expect Ninten. I just disagree. Also Sakurai being reserved about third-party characters is the #1 reason why I honestly think Pac-Man will never be in SSB.

(also the "/" meant either Paper Mario OR Bowser Jr.) If I hadn't already made the final update I would switch it to Paper Mario)

Having a Marth Clone makes sense to me because
1. People were perfectly okay with Roy so I think Leaf will be the one to be in SSB.
2. there are only so many sword related moves you can come up with. Clones are not going to be absent in SSB4

So in my opinion my choices are not any more absurd than any other ones on smashboards with the exception of Karis.

Also, ANYBODY WHO HAS DARK SAMUS is in no position to appose Ninten. No offense. :ohwell:
 

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Takamaru was in Samurai Warriors 3, if that clears anything up. That's where is artwork often seen on the forum usually comes from.
 

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Takamaru in Soul Calibur? That would've been amazing! Sadly it wasn't the case. He'd be alot more widely known and I wouldn't have to explain him to everyone if so!
My bad, I think it was "Samurai Warriors"

I get the feeling "debating" with Noah is pretty much equivalent to wasting one's time, so even though there's a lot wrong with what he posted, I'll just say that Sakurai himself doesn't think Starfy would work well as a fighter in Smash, and Takamaru was never in SoulCalibur.
I meant to say "Samurai Warriors" and just because you don't agree with any roster that doesn't have your reps isn't a reason to be hating. Be more adult. Starfy is no more absurd than a lot of characters I've seen on here.
 

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Takamaru was in Samurai Warriors 3, if that clears anything up. That's where is artwork often seen on the forum usually comes from.

Yeah, I'm not really sure whether they mixed up Samurai Warriors 3 with Soul Calibur, or...somehow thought he was Mitsurugi...
 

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Well, I understand why you don't expect Ninten. I just disagree. Also Sakurai being reserved about third-party characters is the #1 reason why I honestly think Pac-Man will never be in SSB.

(also the "/" meant either Paper Mario OR Bowser Jr.) If I hadn't already made the final update I would switch it to Paper Mario)

Having a Marth Clone makes sense to me because
1. People were perfectly okay with Roy so I think Leaf will be the one to be in SSB.
2. there are only so many sword related moves you can come up with. Clones are not going to be absent in SSB4

So in my opinion my choices are not any more absurd than any other ones on smashboards with the exception of Karis.

Also, ANYBODY WHO HAS DARK SAMUS is in no position to appose Ninten. No offense. :ohwell:
I'm fine with either Paper Mario or Bowser Jr., but I personally prefer Paper Mario since he reps the RPGs. Good choice.

Then you don't choose a character with a sword. Ephraim is more popular anyway, so it makes perfect sense to include him if you want a Scared Stones rep.

Namco is working on Smash along with Sakurai, and they have close enough ties to get a rep. The mascot is Pac-Man. Therefore, he's easily a possibility. I thought we were done debating this.

I have no idea what the connection is between Dark Samus and Ninten. Either way, I'm sure it doesn't justify him.
 

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Hard to "own" what is mentally incapable of accepting defeat and just keeps coming back for more.

It's like trying to own a cockroach with nukes.
Like you don't LOVE trolling about subjects nobody really cares about. RIGHT NOW I'm the one who is trying to stop the flaming by seeing stuff from other's point of view. Also you want SO badly for someone to "admit defeat" over an OPINION. I can tell how enraged you are that I won't admit I'm wrong over something I can't be wrong about if it's not a fact. To be so rude about something like THAT is pretty kiddish if you ask me. :rolleyes:

(note i'm talking about golden, not you guys.)

My roster isn't any less absurd than yours. Not even slightly. I've already admitted Shulk is affiliated with Nintendo. So there is nothing else to admit. So if you wanna beg for me to admit I'm wrong about my realistic roster than go ahead. Because it's not gonna happen. I really couldn't care less about the your opinion because I don't know you in real life. We are completely different people in reality than on the internet.

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I have no idea what the connection is between Dark Samus and Ninten. Either way, I'm sure it doesn't justify him.
The connection is they both look exactly the same. Except the worse part is Dark Samus would be a clone. Dark Samus should be a costume.
 

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Mother only got a 2nd rep by the skin of its teeth. Ness was considered to be removed in exchange for Lucas and the two are pretty similar. You can't say Ninten would not be much the same.

While I agree Dark Samus isn't the most likely candidate, not even within her/its? own franchise Prime has shown potential for a unique moveset. While I personally don't want Dark Samus in you can't compare her with Ninten.
 

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The connection is they both look exactly the same. Except the worse part is Dark Samus would be a clone. Dark Samus should be a costume.
Looking the same doesn't mean anything. Nobody cares about that.

I just mean Ness became the poster boy over Ninten because of the worldwide release. I think most people would view Ninten as Ness' insignificant predecessor. He holds no value anymore.

No, Dark Samus wouldn't be a clone. Play the Prime games.
 

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While I'm certainly fine with the idea of Dark Samus being a costume of she/it doesn't make the playable cut, to say it'd be a clone is a completely ignorant statement. Dark Samus has plenty of phazon-based attacks that Samus doesn't use. Phazon, which is essentially an evil plutonium on steroids, takes all kinds of shapes and forms, giving her/it plenty to work with. This is also not even considering the idea of using abilities Samus doesn't already use, such as a Shinespark or the Dark Beam.
 

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For some reason I think that he saw the picture I took of my custom character from Soul Calibur and he thought it was real. (I posted it in Takamaru's support thread since it was Takamaru)

Although Samurai Warriors could SOMEHOW be confused for SolCal. <sarcasm>
 

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For some reason I think that he saw the picture I took of my custom character from Soul Calibur and he thought it was real. (I posted it in Takamaru's support thread since it was Takamaru)

Well I'd say that's a testament to how convincing it was. Hah! :happysheep:
 

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Okie Doke. Let's see here.
Well, I VERY APPRECIATE your polite response. Some people are being harsh and well "denial" about my roster by saying none of my characters will make it, to say so I believe is kind of just because they are mad that I disagree with their roster.

Eirika: Anyway, if you read the video, Eirika was originally going to be LEAF. A character who appeared in VARIOUS FE games and is one of the most famous heroes, the ONLY reason I switched to Eirika is because of the numerous FEMALE Fire Emblem Heroes, and I thought it would make sense to have a Marth clone (just felt like it.) so I chose her. But since Chrom is so basic in his abilities (sword wise) It's likely he may be the Marth Clone and we may get Lyn as an unlockable.)

Starfy: I really see no reason why Starfy ISN'T possible. He finally got a game in the west, has tons of moves, is pretty famous in japan, and I think the only reason people don't think Starfy will be in it is because they think the only characters that will get in are the ones that EVERY fan roster has. And that's not very open minded.

Ninten: So we had the hero from Mother 2, we had the hero from Mother 3. what about the last one there is. I think the ONLY reason people disagree with Ninten is because he looks like Ness. You CAN redesign characters. Pit got redesigned and looks very different. And with so many PSI moves out there it would be ashame to make use of only 5. I'm thinking if Masked Man got in he would be alongside Ninten.

Matthew & Karis: No, I don't really EXPECT Karis. I'd be surprised if she DID get in. I picked her because it was a POSSIBILITY, but a real shot in the dark. Matthew is from the most recent Golden Sun and there are only 3 Golden Sun games. Kinda like how Ness got in to SSB64 as appose to Ninten. But, it could JUST as well be Issac.

Mewtwo 2.0: Everyone wants Mewtwo back right? Well, now we can have him without having to bring back an already removed character and still having a new pokemon from the most recent game.

Takamaru & Ray: There is no question about him. Takamaru WILL be in SSB4 probably as a starer. He seems to be a VERY popular Nintendo character. Had a hit famicom game, appeared in Soul Calibar, Had his own Nintendo Land Game (and yest everyone recognized his name.) and he has potential. Ray has so much potential as well and the reason I had him as an unlockable is because he's not as famous as ALL the others. But, he sure is more likely than Mach Rider if you ask me.

Bomberman: Bomberman is VERY famous. He has a HUGE history with Nintendo. Appeared as a guest star in tons of games. Had tons of spin-offs, considered one of the most famous video game characters. Appeared alongside Wario in a game, and is often mistaken for a Nintendo character himself. He even was part of Hudson Soft, another company with a huge history with Nintendo. Just because he was bought out by Konami. (Which is Snake's company) does not make him "Dead" or unlikely. Pac-Man is WAY more dead than him. I don't even think Bomberman is even CONSIDERED dead by most.

Sheriff: One of the first Nintendo games. Roughly well known, and could have a lot of moves. I say he's as likely as Ice Climbers were. And since he's not that special I had him as a starter. Again there's less likely people like Muddy Mole.

Trace: There are a lot of Bounty Hunters in Metroid, and I think people would love to see them playable. Otherwise I think Samus will be alone.

Bowser Jr./Paper Mario, King K. Rool, Chrom: There in like every roster, everone wants them, we all know who they are, and they have tons of moves.

That's why.

Also (being polite obviously isn't helping because some just want to hear what THEY want. At least on this thread. You don't HAVE to agree with me and I don't HAVE to agree with you. And when I'm trying to see stuff from your point of view and willing to talk civilized and you guys are just like: "NO, ADMIT YOUR WRONG, HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY THINK THESE CHARACTERS ARE POSSIBLE" It's simply being hippo critical if you accuse me of doing the same.
On Eirika: While I'm not all that familiar with the Fire Emblem series outside of Awakening, in my opinion, I do not see Eirika making the cut unless Sakurai himself decides to put her in over Roy or Chrom. I believe Roy is next to guaranteed for a Fire Emblem rep, because Roy made it in over Leif for Melee, and he was planned to return for Brawl. Chrom on the other hand, I could see being put in as another popular choice and to represent Awakening. I personally would rather not see clones put in, but to each his own.

On Starfy: While I agree he is not impossible, I myself find this one unlikely as well. If Sakurai did say something along the lines of him not being feasible as a fighter, then chances are it won't happen. But we won't know everything until the entire roster is revealed.

On Ninten: Again, he isn't impossible, but I believe the predicament he has been cast into will be his downfall. With him being overshadowed entirely by Ness in Super Smash Bros. 64, I see it very unlikely that Sakurai would dig that far for another character. Again, not impossible, but I see Masked Man getting in if we were to get another Mother rep.

On Matthew/Karis: As others have mentioned, Golden Sun getting two reps is unlikely as it is, and Karis is even less likely than the chances of that. Based on the fact that at least in my case, I view Isaac as the series mascot, I see him getting in first. However, if there were to be two Golden Sun characters, I would say both Matthew and Isaac.

On Mewtwo: I think Mewtwo is guaranteed, and his awakened form will likely show up in one form (HA) or another. I agree.

On Takamaru and Ray: I also believe Takamaru will appear in the Smash Bros. 4, but i'm not confident in Ray at all. I think the Assist Trophy was just right.

On Bomberman: First off, I LOVE Bomberman. However, I do not foresee Konami getting a second choice over other characters. This time I see Mega Man, and a Namco rep (preferably Lloyd Irving, NOT Pac-Man). As I said before, I would love Bomberman if he made it.

On Sheriff: Definitely an eligible retro character. Definitely a decent choice.

On Trace: I think if Metroid get's anybody, it's going to be Ridley, just based on the ridiculous backlash that would occur if he isn't included, and the fact that he is the most important character after Samus.

On Mario Characters: My favorite choice for a new Mario rep is Paper Mario. So I can agree with you here.
 

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There are many Earthbound (Zero) references in the music in Smash Bros.
Maybe it's finally the time to make Ninten playable.
I don't really see why that by itself would permit a playable character.

Oh, Tamagon has a sticker in Brawl? Maybe he should be playable! See what I mean?
 

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Stickers and trophies give some representation to games and franchises too unknown/obscure to warrant a playable character.

Mother has actually done pretty well in comparison to other franchises, getting two characters out of three games. Compare that to series like Fire Emblem, comparable in lack of a consistent main character but with a much bigger catalogue of games it's certainly punching above its weight.
 

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There are many Earthbound (Zero) references in the music in Smash Bros.
Maybe it's finally the time to make Ninten playable.
You mean two themes? Both of which appear in Earthbound as well?
 

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I get the feeling "debating" with Noah is pretty much equivalent to wasting one's time, so even though there's a lot wrong with what he posted, I'll just say that Sakurai himself doesn't think Starfy would work well as a fighter in Smash, and Takamaru was never in SoulCalibur.


The one thing is, though, I don't think Sakurai ruled out Starfy for reasons of feasibility. Bear with me, for a moment. I may go off on a bit of a tangent.

Okay, so often times, after people bring up the Dojo update as a point "against" Starfy, they bring up the infamous Famitsu article that supposedly says that no series after Melee other than Pikmin warranted a playable character, therefor ruling Starfy out. However.
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Here's the page in question. Outright, he dismisses the Nintendog and Animal Crossing characters for not being appropriate for a fighting game. However, I don't think this is the reason he dismissed Starfy. If we look a bit closer, Sakurai says that

Sakurai said:
"We looked at each series and picked the characters that would have the widest appeal to the largest fan base."
Hence, this is what I believe Starfy's problem was. His fan base was rather limited to Sakurai, seeing that his series was only released in Japan. (As for Lucas, his series was at least international, and Marth and Roy in Melee, as we know, almost didn't get put into the international version of the game.).

But that's just the way I see things, and while I don't consider Starfy to be extremely likely, I do think that he's the quintessential "sleeper" candidate that not many people see coming.

Bet you were surprised this wasn't a response to the Muddy thing :p
 

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I think there may have been a slight bias against Starfy in Brawl, though.

It's one thing that Starfy only attacks using his most basic ability of the Starfy series, being an underwhelming AT based on attack pattern alone. The fact that essentially every other Assist Trophy is invincible besides Starfy and Lakitu, however, shows that the Smash team were deliberately designing him to be a weak Assist Trophy. Many basic enemies like Hammer Bros. and Metroid can't be defeated, yet Starfy can be simply knocked away? That certainly doesn't seem fair. If they wanted to make a Goldeen equivalent for Assist Trophies, they could have done much better than to take a highly requested character and make him known as "that weak assist trophy".
 

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I think there may have been a slight bias against Starfy in Brawl, though.

It's one thing that Starfy only attacks using his most basic ability of the Starfy series, being an underwhelming AT based on attack pattern alone. The fact that essentially every other Assist Trophy is invincible besides Starfy and Lakitu, however, shows that the Smash team were deliberately designing him to be a weak Assist Trophy. Many basic enemies like Hammer Bros. and Metroid can't be defeated, yet Starfy can be simply knocked away? That certainly doesn't seem fair. If they wanted to make a Goldeen equivalent for Assist Trophies, they could have done much better than to take a highly requested character and make him known as "that weak assist trophy".

I can see where you'd get that impression, but I doubt it was done as a sort of demoralization for Starfy. Mainly because Sakurai claimed that his childlike demeanor/clumsiness was part of his "charm," when addressing Starfy on the Dojo page.

That being said, I can definitely see that if Starfy was added, he could fill the role of a "Lethal Joke Character," who's attacks, while they can be a tad weak, can be used in tangent with others to create some pretty hefty damage.
 

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So seeing everyone else post their roster here is my revised roster,

A couple of notes, the larger franchises continue to grow more so than adding new franchises.

Mario - Toad/Waluigi were both questionable but in the end I went with Toad because of the recent NSMBs appearances. Mario franchise is large enough to support more spots and adding Mario characters will sell the franchise. Both characters added are very important.

DK - I have Dixie barely in as an unlockable shock character. This is based on Sakurai's attempt to add her in Brawl. He usually adds in characters he missed from the other game. K. Rool gets in over popularity.

Zelda - I do not see anything wild or ambitious here. Toon Zelda idea will grow even more since the WW HD remake as well as Spirit Tracks being recent. Not sure how Ganondorf will be approached but went with recent franchise.

Takamaru - People on here sold me to Takamaru. Sakurai has made comments on this character. This appears to be the Pit of this game and will likely be Sakurai's next project in revising a franchise.

Ridley - I am not 100% sold on Ridley because Sakurai keeps expressing issues with the character but the popularity is too great to deny.

Sheriff - Sheriff is the ROB/Mr. Game & Watch of this title as he is important to Nintendo's history.

Little Mac - Rising popular franchise and unique moveset.

Fire Emblem - I favored Lyn because of her appearance in Brawl. Most the ATs appear to be characters that Sakurai considered but did not add. I believe she may be the shock FE add.

Pac-Man - I don' see Pac-man being revealed early (or even at all) but I see him being in the game due to his iconess and respect by video game developers. Sakurai will have fun with this move-set.

Megaman - I do believe Megaman is the Capcom rep Sakurai commented about and this comment is an early hint on a possible inclusion in Smash 4.


DLC - I can see Roy, Pichu, and Dr. Mario as alt costumes or DLC. I think Sakurai loves all the characters in this games and will avoid cuts this time around. The other characters on the right are possible alt costumes or later DLC characters. If separate characters, they will be clones.
 
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The one thing is, though, I don't think Sakurai ruled out Starfy for reasons of feasibility. Bear with me, for a moment. I may go off on a bit of a tangent.

Okay, so often times, after people bring up the Dojo update as a point "against" Starfy, they bring up the infamous Famitsu article that supposedly says that no series after Melee other than Pikmin warranted a playable character, therefor ruling Starfy out. However.
[Collapse=OBJECTION!]

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Here's the page in question. Outright, he dismisses the Nintendog and Animal Crossing characters for not being appropriate for a fighting game. However, I don't think this is the reason he dismissed Starfy. If we look a bit closer, Sakurai says that



Hence, this is what I believe Starfy's problem was. His fan base was rather limited to Sakurai, seeing that his series was only released in Japan. (As for Lucas, his series was at least international, and Marth and Roy in Melee, as we know, almost didn't get put into the international version of the game.).

But that's just the way I see things, and while I don't consider Starfy to be extremely likely, I do think that he's the quintessential "sleeper" candidate that not many people see coming.

Bet you were surprised this wasn't a response to the Muddy thing :p
Two things:
1) The Famitsu article stated that there were no series since Pikmin that had a suitable character, not that there were no series after Pikmin that "warranted" a character.
This means that for some reason, Sakurai did not see Starfy as suited for Smash.
The only possible explanation for that is that Sakurai was unable to get little mister star with a face to work right with his heavily limited range of motion. Smash demands a lot on a character's articulation.

2) What you linked was not Famitsu. That's Nintendo Power.
All the Famitsu information is here in raw Japanese: http://www.geocities.jp/bgrtype/gsl/words2/dairantosmabrax/smashbrothersx.html

While I'm certainly fine with the idea of Dark Samus being a costume of she/it doesn't make the playable cut, to say it'd be a clone is a completely ignorant statement. Dark Samus has plenty of phazon-based attacks that Samus doesn't use. Phazon, which is essentially an evil plutonium on steroids, takes all kinds of shapes and forms, giving her/it plenty to work with. This is also not even considering the idea of using abilities Samus doesn't already use, such as a Shinespark or the Dark Beam.
And that's also not considering the abilities she/it stole from the three hunters in Prime 3 when she/it absorbed them.

Pretty sure Samus is incapable of creating ice pillars, for example.
 

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Stop it guys! The more you mention Takamaru and Soul Calibur, the more I'm starting to want Namco to do it (That's if there will ever be a true Soul Calibur game on a Nintendo console like in the Gamecube days). *sigh*
 

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There are many Earthbound (Zero) references in the music in Smash Bros.
Maybe it's finally the time to make Ninten playable.
I just think it's the next logical move. If you redesign him it will all be okay, Change his hat position, give him a bandanna, change his shirt and hair. It's not too hard. Also I "Like" this post
 

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I just think it's the next logical move. If you redesign him it will all be okay, Change his hat position, give him a bandanna, change his shirt and hair. It's not too hard. Also I "Like" this post
Don't you think that adding a villain (which I'm certain the fans would much rather have) would be a smarter move on Nintendo's part?
 

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Okay everybody here is my NEW ALTERED roster. Tell me what you think! (even though it's basically the same thing) :colorful: :starman:

NOTE: TRACE IS BASICALLY A PLACEHOLDER. I DON'T KNOW WHICH RIVAL BOUNTY HUNTER WOULD WORK BEST. SO THAT SLOT BASICALLY CAN REPRESENT ANY OF THEM.
 

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Now it works. I'm a little confused by your choices of Ninten, Leif, Trace, and Bomberman, but other than that, it seems like an overall decent roster.

Are we allowed to discuss Fire Emblem again, or is VoldemortIke.jpg still relevant? I just have a hypothetical question.

Let us just assume both Marth and Chrom are confirmed as Fire Emblem characters in SSB4. With two blue-haired swordsmen already, I'd like to know, who would seem most likely to be a third character: Roy, Ike, or Micaiah? I'm trying to make a revamped, realistic roster, but I'm having a frustrating time deciding between those three. Roy wouldn't differ enough from Marth's and Chrom's moves (and isn't a recurring lord), Ike would be a third blue-haired swordsman (starts misrepresenting the series) as well as potentially replaced by Chrom as most recent lord, and Micaiah isn't a recurring lord (nor does she have Roy's popularity). If one had to choose a third Fire Emblem character, who would provide the lesser of three evils? Roy's demand, Ike's notability, or Micaiah's diversity?
 
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